Re: [Blackbelly] Bottle Jaw
Safeguard brand of panacur is pellets that you mix with feed. There is also panacur liquid that you can use as a drench, about 3-5 cc per grown animal. Cecil in oKla On 6/1/2012 6:30 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: On Fri, 1 Jun 2012, Cecil R Bearden wrote: Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:59:58 -0500 From: Cecil R Bearden Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Bottle Jaw I would use safegaurd (panacur) at the same dosage rate or a little more than that listed for cattle. You can put it in the feed. If any appear to not respond after about 4 to 5 days then I would use oral ivomec on those. Then 10 to `14 days later, I would worm again with the safeguard. Again watching for non responders and worming those with oral Ivomec . This may seem severe, or overkill, but by worming in this manner, I only have to worm about once in every 3 years. Cecil in OKla Thank you I will give this a try (is that panacur paste or drench?) Peter Wallace ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Bottle Jaw
On Fri, 1 Jun 2012, Cecil R Bearden wrote: Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:59:58 -0500 From: Cecil R Bearden Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Bottle Jaw I would use safegaurd (panacur) at the same dosage rate or a little more than that listed for cattle. You can put it in the feed. If any appear to not respond after about 4 to 5 days then I would use oral ivomec on those. Then 10 to `14 days later, I would worm again with the safeguard. Again watching for non responders and worming those with oral Ivomec . This may seem severe, or overkill, but by worming in this manner, I only have to worm about once in every 3 years. Cecil in OKla Thank you I will give this a try (is that panacur paste or drench?) Peter Wallace ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Bottle Jaw
I would use safegaurd (panacur) at the same dosage rate or a little more than that listed for cattle. You can put it in the feed. If any appear to not respond after about 4 to 5 days then I would use oral ivomec on those. Then 10 to `14 days later, I would worm again with the safeguard. Again watching for non responders and worming those with oral Ivomec . This may seem severe, or overkill, but by worming in this manner, I only have to worm about once in every 3 years. Cecil in OKla On 6/1/2012 3:01 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: Noticed tha one of our sheep has what looks like bottle jaw (~2 inch swelling on the underside of the back part of the jaw) Another one of our sheep had this once before when just 8 months old that spontaneously resolved in a couple days or so but they are all now about 3 1/2 years old and this is the first health problem I have seen since then. I've read that I should de-worm immediately but I have not been using any dewormer so would like some advice on what to use (or other suggestions of how best to deal with this) Peter Wallace ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Bottle Jaw
Noticed tha one of our sheep has what looks like bottle jaw (~2 inch swelling on the underside of the back part of the jaw) Another one of our sheep had this once before when just 8 months old that spontaneously resolved in a couple days or so but they are all now about 3 1/2 years old and this is the first health problem I have seen since then. I've read that I should de-worm immediately but I have not been using any dewormer so would like some advice on what to use (or other suggestions of how best to deal with this) Peter Wallace ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Bottle jaw - maybe over reaction
Gracies jaw went back to normal in one day and has been fine ever since so maybe like an over-protective parent who has read to many horror stories I jumped to conclusions. Thanks to all for suggestions. I am considering getting a fecal egg count kit to see where we really are parasite wise. Who knew sheep sh*t could be so interesting! I find this stuff fascinating, for example: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2270930/ In other news, we have a big storm moving in here so the girls have been in vaccuum cleaner mode today, running around vaccuuming up blown down tree leaves.. Silence of the lambs: our girls (8 month old AM Blackbellys) are almost absolutely silent. I think I've only heard one bleat in the time we've had them. Is this normal? (Not complaining, we have neighbors with some kind of wool sheep and they are constantly bleating at this or that) How long do lambs play? Ours still occasionally get in the mood to jump in the air, head bump and paw at each other, usually followed by a good cud chew and a nap. Peter & Kathy Wallace ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Bottle jaw
I run my sheep pretty much the same way I run my goats as far as meds go, I also have a young ewe with the same problem. She is coming back for me but very slowly. This may be a little "Goaty" for the hard core sheep people out there but this is what I would do. If I was in your place, I would worm her again with cydectin injectable (given orally), as well as get her started on a couple of days of Dextran 100 (Iron, requires a shot and be careful with the iron as she can get too much of that) to help her fight the anemia. I would also give her some VIT B to help pep her up and maintain her appetite. 24 hours after worming I would give her some probiotics to help get her rumen restarted. The Anemia that causes bottle jaw can be deadly if not treated quickly. Another mistake can be to stop treating when the bottle jaw goes away. Even though the bottle jaw is gone, it is just a symptom of the anemia which is the problem so whatever direction you choose to treat it make sure you continue treatment until she picks up completely. After the initial dose of iron I mix up some blackstrap molasses with some whole, all natural yogurt and drench that once a day for as long as I need to. The molasses has a lot of iron, and the yogurt has some of the same properties as a good probiotic as well as really helping to keep her from scouring. I personally wouldn't bother with the antibiotic unless she comes down with a fever or something. With a wormload this heavy, I would worm again in 2-3 weeks. Good luck to you, and if it is any consolation it is a lot easier to bring a sheep back from this point than it is a goat! -Original Message- From: blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info] On Behalf Of Peter C. Wallace Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:42 PM To: Sheep Group Subject: [Blackbelly] Bottle jaw One of our 4 Lambs (8 month old ewes) has what looks to be bottle jaw, maybe 1 inch swelling of lower jaw. Seems to be feeling and eating OK but have read that this is an emergency. The people that sold the lambs to us wormed them right before we got them (end of September) I think with Ivomec, They suggested immediate worming with Levamisole and antibiotics (we have PenG left over from the dog incident). Unfortunately this is not a good location for large animal vets so looking for some additional guidance or suggestions. Thanks Peter Wallace ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Bottle jaw
One of our 4 Lambs (8 month old ewes) has what looks to be bottle jaw, maybe 1 inch swelling of lower jaw. Seems to be feeling and eating OK but have read that this is an emergency. The people that sold the lambs to us wormed them right before we got them (end of September) I think with Ivomec, They suggested immediate worming with Levamisole and antibiotics (we have PenG left over from the dog incident). Unfortunately this is not a good location for large animal vets so looking for some additional guidance or suggestions. Thanks Peter Wallace ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Bottle Jaw Wether lambs
Hey Mark, Thanks for that input. Yes, it was your vet's information that spurred me on to try the cattle pour-on cydectin. Sorry I didn't identify the color correctly. I guess it is purple, not blue-green. I'm terrible about remembering colors of meds. I just remember it was a bright, iridescent color, and smelled terrible. I just got enough from the vet for the 2 doses. These wethers continue to look great as if they were never sick at all. My local Rural King store doesn't have any of this in stock, so I'm going to mail order it so I'll have some on hand in case I need it again. And everybody by the way, in case anyone is interested, the Pipestone Veterinary Clinic (which I had also consulted about my 2 bottle jaw wethers) publishes a nice newsletter with sorts of veterinary articles written by their senior sheep vet staff. They specialize in sheep. The articles in the newsletter are pretty up-to-date, representing the most current thought research, and experiences of their vet staff. The newsletter is free if you order $50 or more of vet supplies from them per year. $20 per year otherwise. It's a nice color glossy publication. They also have an archive library of old articles that are very helpful on their website, which is http://www.pipevet.com. And they have a help line phone number in case you have problems such as I had that you need to discuss with them. Their supplies catalog is available at this site, and they will also mail you one if you want. Mary At 05:01 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: Message: 1 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:16:02 -0500 From: "Mark Fleming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 117 Bottle Jaw lambs To: Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I agree with Mary completely. My vet in Missouri recommended the use of cydectin years ago. His major concern is the barber pole worms. I use it probably twice a year or when I see one with bottle jaw. I would be careful to use only the purple cattle pour on orally versus the clear cydectin which is listed for the use in sheep. It is ineffective and not recommended by my vet who maintains both our sheep and goats. It is too weak and we almost lost a ewe from using it. Mark Fleming ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
