Re: Bug in Blackbox 0.61.1 with blackbox 0.61.1 icon patch V9
If blackbox doesn't set focus on a window other than the one it just minimized, than the now-iconified window still is marked as being the current window. Note--this problem only occurs when blackbox minimizes a window and doesn't have another window to set focus on. bbkeys isn't given a different currently focused window to operate on, so it tells blackbox to perform whatever operation (in this case maximize) on the now-iconified window. It's an obscure bug, but I think blackbox should be doing a sanity check (especially such a simple one as this). I agree, there is an issue in blackbox. However I also believe that bbkeys should try to not send messsages on bogus windows. Both sides need some sanity checks and some communication touch ups.
Re: Startup annoyance
On 07-Jan-2002 J.S. wrote: Hi. Each time I start Blackbox, it doesn't fully 'refresh' itself: Four aterm windows and root-tail are loaded by .xinitrc. Normally, the aterm windows gets be placed next to and beneath each other. Some times, however, they all get placed on top of the first window, like layers. This is just odd behaviour #1; root-tail never appears visible on startup. I have to place a window on top of it in order to make it show. You know the sort of 'flimmering' in XFree86-4 that temporarily makes its entrance before the window manager itself? Sometimes there are still traces of that fl immering after Blackbox has gotten loaded, like just now, in the aterm windows. Hence I had to move my mouse over the terminals to refresh them. I find problems like these to be quite annoying. Yeah, already reported and solution is being tested.
Re: Where are the docs?
--- Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06-Jan-2002 Nexist Xenda'ths wrote: Hello: I am running .61 and am trying to fing the documentation. The link to Themes is broken. Can anyone help? all of the docs you need are in the source. bb.classic.themes.org gets you to an easy to navigate version of themes.org. I also miss the docs. I installed BB from the SuSE disc and there are no docs there (see bbpager and toolbar height nr 1). __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
Re: Where are the docs?
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:51:09 + (GMT) Johan Ronstr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06-Jan-2002 Nexist Xenda'ths wrote: Hello: I am running .61 and am trying to fing the documentation. The link to Themes is broken. Can anyone help? all of the docs you need are in the source. bb.classic.themes.org gets you to an easy to navigate version of themes.org. I also miss the docs. I installed BB from the SuSE disc and there are no docs there (see bbpager and toolbar height nr 1). Uhm, complain to SuSE, not to this list? Geir Kristiansen
blackbox dumps core on solaris
hi, i've been trying to run blackbox-0.61.1 on SunOS 5.8 Generic_108528-08 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10. it compiles just fine, but when i try to run it, i get BScreen::BScreen: managing screen 0 using visual 0x28, depth 24 Bus error (core dumped) any clues? regards, vincent
Re: Where are the docs?
--- Geir Torstein Kristiansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:51:09 + (GMT) Johan Ronstr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06-Jan-2002 Nexist Xenda'ths wrote: Hello: I am running .61 and am trying to fing the documentation. The link to Themes is broken. Can anyone help? all of the docs you need are in the source. bb.classic.themes.org gets you to an easy to navigate version of themes.org. I also miss the docs. I installed BB from the SuSE disc and there are no docs there (see bbpager and toolbar height nr 1). Uhm, complain to SuSE, not to this list? Geir Kristiansen Yes, but I just mean that the answer to Nexist Xenda'ths' question isn't enough. Could I download the docs somewhere? Thanks / Aura __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
Re: Where are the docs?
Yes, but I just mean that the answer to Nexist Xenda'ths' question isn't enough. Could I download the docs somewhere? all the docs that exist are in the source tarball. Just download it and grab them.
Re: Can click to focus only on title bar or border!
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 06:51:00AM +0100, Tomas Capdevila wrote: scott wrote: Did you turn off all Lock keys (Numlock, Capslock, Scrolllock) ? It's a feature that blackbox will only do ALT+Click behaviour when all the lock keys are off. There was a patch for 0.61.x that would kill that behaviour, did you have the patch compiled into your previous BB, and maybe just forgot about it when you upgraded to mdk8.1 ? can somebody tell me the name of this patch and/ore where i can download it? i looked around but couldn't find it. http://blackbox.thelinuxcommunity.org/patches.html, go down to the bottom and look for the patch called window resizing and button gra version 0.1 Jerrold.
Re: BB Feature
Hi David! On Fri, 04 Jan 2002, David U. Haltinner wrote: To make everyone happy with the 'icon' war (how BB should use them), why dont you just use the last (unused) mouse button to display a list of currentlly open and iconified programs running in that workspace? it will create a nice and easy way to switch between windows and to reopen them. i would suggest not having submenus in it for easier use. Only a menu listing *all* windows and icons (workspace independent!!) would be useful. Ciao, Mark
Re: BB Feature
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:33:44AM +0100, Mark Weinem wrote: Hi David! On Fri, 04 Jan 2002, David U. Haltinner wrote: To make everyone happy with the 'icon' war (how BB should use them), why dont you just use the last (unused) mouse button to display a list of currentlly open and iconified programs running in that workspace? it will create a nice and easy way to switch between windows and to reopen them. i would suggest not having submenus in it for easier use. Only a menu listing *all* windows and icons (workspace independent!!) would be useful. Ciao, Mark I agree with that somewhat. I dislike the format of the middle-click workspace list...I personally would prefer an option to make it just one list of windows, rather than a list of windows divided into workspaces. Windowmaker, pwm, and many other windowmanagers I've used behave like this, and I much prefer it. It's easier to make it act as a pager of sorts without messing with submenus.
Re: BB Feature
I agree with that somewhat. I dislike the format of the middle-click workspace list...I personally would prefer an option to make it just one list of windows, rather than a list of windows divided into workspaces. Windowmaker, pwm, and many other windowmanagers I've used behave like this, and I much prefer it. It's easier to make it act as a pager of sorts without messing with submenus. The reason it lists them that is blackbox stores them that way. There is a list of workspaces which each have a list of windows.
Keybindings in version 0.5.x
Hello, I just wanted to take a look at blackbox wm, coz I wanted something new. I was able to configure it like I wanted it to be, but I would like to have some keybindings to open an xterm for example. I read that you have to use bbkeys for version = 0.6.0 but I didn't find any info about how to get those in version 0.5.x I am using Debian Potato, so I have to use that version. Ok, I compiled the version from woody, but there were some problems, coz then I had no keys at all. I wasn't able to switch workspaces :-( Can anybody help? Best regards, Arvid -- .''`. [Arvid Warnecke] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [05323-715724] : :' : [IRC madhatter] [ http://up.to/suck ] [PGP-Subject: get pgp key] `. `' Linux 2.4.2 i686 XFree86 Version 4.0.2 Uptime: 1 day, 2:02 `-- BOFH #54: Evil dogs hypnotized the night shift msg04705/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 10:32:09PM +0100, Arvid Warnecke wrote: Hello, I just wanted to take a look at blackbox wm, coz I wanted something new. I was able to configure it like I wanted it to be, but I would like to have some keybindings to open an xterm for example. I read that you have to use bbkeys for version = 0.6.0 but I didn't find any info about how to get those in version 0.5.x I am using Debian Potato, so I have to use that version. Ok, I compiled the version from woody, but there were some problems, coz then I had no keys at all. I wasn't able to switch workspaces :-( When using 0.6x, you need to install the bbkeys program (bbkeys.sourceforge.net). It will provide you with the keybinds to switch workspace, run xterms, etc. I don't know anything about 0.5x :) xOr -- I am damn unsatisfied to be killed in this way. msg04706/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On 07-Jan-2002 Arvid Warnecke wrote: Hello, I just wanted to take a look at blackbox wm, coz I wanted something new. I was able to configure it like I wanted it to be, but I would like to have some keybindings to open an xterm for example. I read that you have to use bbkeys for version = 0.6.0 but I didn't find any info about how to get those in version 0.5.x I am using Debian Potato, so I have to use that version. Ok, I compiled the version from woody, but there were some problems, coz then I had no keys at all. I wasn't able to switch workspaces :-( 0.5x.x has keybindings in it, just read the docs. 0.6x.x removed keybindings, you need bbkeys. So, run potato's blackbox and you get keybindings (they are static, you do not get much of a choice about WHICH keys). Run woody or later's blackbox and also woody's bbkeys. (Sean, also the Debian maintainer of the blackbox suite).
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:39:25PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 07-Jan-2002 Arvid Warnecke wrote: I just wanted to take a look at blackbox wm, coz I wanted something new. I was able to configure it like I wanted it to be, but I would like to have some keybindings to open an xterm for example. I read that you have to use bbkeys for version = 0.6.0 but I didn't find any info about how to get those in version 0.5.x 0.5x.x has keybindings in it, just read the docs. Read them, but I had the hope, that I would be able to define bindings on my own, and not only can decide if I want Mod1 or CTRL :-( 0.6x.x removed keybindings, you need bbkeys. So, run potato's blackbox and you get keybindings (they are static, you do not get much of a choice about WHICH keys). Run woody or later's blackbox and also woody's bbkeys. So, if I install woody's blackbox and bbkeys it is normal that I can't switch workspaces, but have define those bindings with bbkeys first? Regards, Arvid -- .''`. [Arvid Warnecke] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [05323-715724] : :' : [IRC madhatter] [ http://up.to/suck ] [PGP-Subject: get pgp key] `. `' Linux 2.4.2 i686 XFree86 Version 4.0.2 Uptime: 1 day, 2:18 `-- BOFH #344: Network failure - call NBC msg04708/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BB Feature
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:33:44AM +0100, Mark Weinem wrote: On Fri, 04 Jan 2002, David U. Haltinner wrote: To make everyone happy with the 'icon' war (how BB should use them), why dont you just use the last (unused) mouse button to display a list of currentlly open and iconified programs running in that workspace? it will create a nice and easy way to switch between windows and to reopen them. i would suggest not having submenus in it for easier use. Only a menu listing *all* windows and icons (workspace independent!!) would be useful. Sounds good, but why not add something for a key / mouse binder for blackbox? Ie, you'll have an event called show all windows or something, which you could bind to a mouse button, or keyboard shortcut? Ie, just push the middle mouse button and get a list of all windows opened, or, if you're feeling lazy, just type ctrl-esc, (or whatever your shortcut key to bring up the window list is), and use then use the arrow keys (or a quicksearch with the keyboard - hint hint), to move to the window you want. Jerrold.
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
So, if I install woody's blackbox and bbkeys it is normal that I can't switch workspaces, but have define those bindings with bbkeys first? yes. bbkeys catches key presses, decides what you wanted them to mean, and then tells blackbox what you asked for.
Re: BB Feature
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:00:33AM +1300, jerrold poh wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:33:44AM +0100, Mark Weinem wrote: On Fri, 04 Jan 2002, David U. Haltinner wrote: To make everyone happy with the 'icon' war (how BB should use them), why dont you just use the last (unused) mouse button to display a list of currentlly open and iconified programs running in that workspace? it will create a nice and easy way to switch between windows and to reopen them. i would suggest not having submenus in it for easier use. Only a menu listing *all* windows and icons (workspace independent!!) would be useful. Sounds good, but why not add something for a key / mouse binder for blackbox? Ie, you'll have an event called show all windows or something, which you could bind to a mouse button, or keyboard shortcut? Ie, just push the middle mouse button and get a list of all windows opened, or, if you're feeling lazy, just type ctrl-esc, (or whatever your shortcut key to bring up the window list is), and use then use the arrow keys (or a quicksearch with the keyboard - hint hint), to move to the window you want. You can set up bbkeys to show the windows on all workspaces in its list. So then when you hit alt-tab (or whatever you want) and get a list of all windows and just release th emodifier key (alt in this case) to switch to the window of your choice. xOr -- I am damn unsatisfied to be killed in this way. msg04711/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: So, if I install woody's blackbox and bbkeys it is normal that I can't switch workspaces, but have define those bindings with bbkeys first? yes. bbkeys catches key presses, decides what you wanted them to mean, and then tells blackbox what you asked for. Is there a example file where I can see how to write my own .bbkeysrc (was that the correct file-name?) and which syntax I have to use for switching to Workspace1 by pressing Alt+F1? If so, I would build the woody packages again :-) Regards, Arvid -- .''`. [Arvid Warnecke] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [05323-715724] : :' : [IRC madhatter] [ http://up.to/suck ] [PGP-Subject: get pgp key] `. `' Linux 2.4.2 i686 XFree86 Version 4.0.2 Uptime: 1 day, 2:42 `-- BOFH #157: Incorrect time syncronization msg04712/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BB Feature
In message: Re: BB Feature ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 07/01/2002 (Mon 16:25) Ben Neuman wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:33:44AM +0100, Mark Weinem wrote: Hi David! On Fri, 04 Jan 2002, David U. Haltinner wrote: To make everyone happy with the 'icon' war (how BB should use them), why dont you just use the last (unused) mouse button to display a list of currentlly open and iconified programs running in that workspace? it will create a nice and easy way to switch between windows and to reopen them. i would suggest not having submenus in it for easier use. Only a menu listing *all* windows and icons (workspace independent!!) would be useful. Ciao, Mark I agree with that somewhat. I dislike the format of the middle-click workspace list...I personally would prefer an option to make it just one list of windows, rather than a list of windows divided into workspaces. Windowmaker, pwm, and many other windowmanagers I've used behave like this, and I much prefer it. It's easier to make it act as a pager of sorts without messing with submenus. Actually, the way it works right now is far more useful to me. I tend to have a lot of shells open in different workspaces and when I want to get at one I've minimized, it is far more helpful for me to only see the list of ones I've minimized in the current workspace. As someone who has used Windowmaker for ages, I can say that more than once I've wished wmaker did it exactly the way bb does now. :-) -Joe. -- Joe MacDonald :wq
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On 07-Jan-2002 Arvid Warnecke wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: So, if I install woody's blackbox and bbkeys it is normal that I can't switch workspaces, but have define those bindings with bbkeys first? yes. bbkeys catches key presses, decides what you wanted them to mean, and then tells blackbox what you asked for. Is there a example file where I can see how to write my own .bbkeysrc (was that the correct file-name?) and which syntax I have to use for switching to Workspace1 by pressing Alt+F1? If so, I would build the woody packages again :-) I believe so, but to be sure, here is my bbkeys rc. .bbkeysrc Description: .bbkeysrc
Re: bbappconf
On 07-Jan-2002 Martijn Houtman wrote: Hi, I was browsing on the bbtools site and got interested by this app. Since the development is going on again (great thing btw), I was wondering if this was going to make the bb source, or if it was to be a separated application. The website itself says the following: I am not planning to continue development of bbappconf before I have taken a look if I can hack it into Blackbox. This is window management so I think the Window Manager should do this =) And I agree to that. What do you think, shaleh, and others? I need to look at this further. At this point I am not able to make any kind of comment. The author has not contacted me either.
Re: bbappconf
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 11:26:26PM +0100, Martijn Houtman wrote: Hi, I was browsing on the bbtools site and got interested by this app. Since the development is going on again (great thing btw), I was wondering if this was going to make the bb source, or if it was to be a separated application. The website itself says the following: I am not planning to continue development of bbappconf before I have taken a look if I can hack it into Blackbox. This is window management so I think the Window Manager should do this =) And I agree to that. What do you think, shaleh, and others? I've been considering doing that myself on the (future) 0.70 tree. But that remains to be seen. In any case, this would not become apparent for some time as the 0.62 tree is not about new features, and the 0.70 tree will take some time to become usable I think. xOr -- I am damn unsatisfied to be killed in this way. msg04717/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:21:17PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: So, if I install woody's blackbox and bbkeys it is normal that I can't switch workspaces, but have define those bindings with bbkeys first? yes. bbkeys catches key presses, decides what you wanted them to mean, and then tells blackbox what you asked for. Is there a example file where I can see how to write my own .bbkeysrc (was that the correct file-name?) and which syntax I have to use for switching to Workspace1 by pressing Alt+F1? If so, I would build the woody packages again :-) I believe so, but to be sure, here is my bbkeys rc. Thanks. I set up a ~/.bbkeysrc, but how is bbkeys started? Do I have to write a line in my ~/.blackboxrc? Best regards, Arvid -- .''`. [Arvid Warnecke] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [05323-715724] : :' : [IRC madhatter] [ http://up.to/suck ] [PGP-Subject: get pgp key] `. `' Linux 2.4.2 i686 XFree86 Version 4.0.2 Uptime: 1 day, 3:05 `-- BOFH #103: operators on strike due to broken coffee machine msg04718/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: bbappconf
In message: Re: bbappconf ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 07/01/2002 (Mon 14:27) Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 07-Jan-2002 Martijn Houtman wrote: Hi, I was browsing on the bbtools site and got interested by this app. Since the development is going on again (great thing btw), I was wondering if this was going to make the bb source, or if it was to be a separated application. The website itself says the following: I am not planning to continue development of bbappconf before I have taken a look if I can hack it into Blackbox. This is window management so I think the Window Manager should do this =) And I agree to that. What do you think, shaleh, and others? I need to look at this further. At this point I am not able to make any kind of comment. The author has not contacted me either. I've been using bbconf (http://sourceforge.net/projects/bbconf) since I rediscovered bb a month or so ago and it seems to work pretty well. There are a few things apparently missing (like edge snap distance, for example) but over all it's pretty slick. -Joe. -- Joe MacDonald :wq
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On 07-Jan-2002 Arvid Warnecke wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:21:17PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: So, if I install woody's blackbox and bbkeys it is normal that I can't switch workspaces, but have define those bindings with bbkeys first? yes. bbkeys catches key presses, decides what you wanted them to mean, and then tells blackbox what you asked for. Is there a example file where I can see how to write my own .bbkeysrc (was that the correct file-name?) and which syntax I have to use for switching to Workspace1 by pressing Alt+F1? If so, I would build the woody packages again :-) I believe so, but to be sure, here is my bbkeys rc. Thanks. I set up a ~/.bbkeysrc, but how is bbkeys started? Do I have to write a line in my ~/.blackboxrc? it is in the debian menu under Apps/tools or you can put it in either .xinitrc or .xsession.
Re: bbappconf
In message: Re: bbappconf ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 07/01/2002 (Mon 14:40) Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: I've been using bbconf (http://sourceforge.net/projects/bbconf) since I rediscovered bb a month or so ago and it seems to work pretty well. There are a few things apparently missing (like edge snap distance, for example) but over all it's pretty slick. bbAPPconf, not bbconf. bbappconf is a way to say whenever I launch netscape, put it on workspace 3, maximized or I want anything with the title 'home' to be without window decoration. Oops, right, not thinking there. Sorry. :-) -Joe. (note to me: think _then_ reply.) -- Joe MacDonald :wq
installing patches?
someone give me a 'for dummies' version here. i am trying to install any patches and the only thing I'll ever get is: Hunk #3 failed at line 193. Hunk #4 failed at line 90. Hunk #5 failed at line 319. I'm attempting to follow any faq/install docs I can find and doing a patch -p0 nameofpatchfile and doing it in dir where source was installed from... but it doesnt work (note this is on solaris). anyone who can help? thanks love bb and the fact that its development is starting back up. - steve
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:39:16PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: Is there a example file where I can see how to write my own .bbkeysrc (was that the correct file-name?) and which syntax I have to use for switching to Workspace1 by pressing Alt+F1? I believe so, but to be sure, here is my bbkeys rc. Thanks. I set up a ~/.bbkeysrc, but how is bbkeys started? Do I have to write a line in my ~/.blackboxrc? it is in the debian menu under Apps/tools or you can put it in either .xinitrc or .xsession. Ok, thanks. Seems to work now. Only problem I have: bbkeys is started. I use 'bbkeys -i ' in my .xinitrc because I won't see it the whole day opened on the desktop. Is that the best way or is there another chance to run it in behind? BTW can I set a wallpaper in blackbox directly? I only found some posts which told that you should use display in .xinitrc, which isn't that nice... Best regards, Arvid -- .''`. [Arvid Warnecke] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [05323-715724] : :' : [IRC madhatter] [ http://up.to/suck ] [PGP-Subject: get pgp key] `. `' Linux 2.4.2 i686 XFree86 Version 4.0.2 Uptime: 1 day, 3:28 `-- BOFH #192: runaway cat on system. msg04725/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On 07-Jan-2002 Arvid Warnecke wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:39:16PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: Is there a example file where I can see how to write my own .bbkeysrc (was that the correct file-name?) and which syntax I have to use for switching to Workspace1 by pressing Alt+F1? I believe so, but to be sure, here is my bbkeys rc. Thanks. I set up a ~/.bbkeysrc, but how is bbkeys started? Do I have to write a line in my ~/.blackboxrc? it is in the debian menu under Apps/tools or you can put it in either .xinitrc or .xsession. Ok, thanks. Seems to work now. Only problem I have: bbkeys is started. I use 'bbkeys -i ' in my .xinitrc because I won't see it the whole day opened on the desktop. Is that the best way or is there another chance to run it in behind? that is a good way. BTW can I set a wallpaper in blackbox directly? I only found some posts which told that you should use display in .xinitrc, which isn't that nice... most of us let the style we use set the background image. display is still one of the best tools to use. There are some GUI ones as well. blackbox itself does not set the background or touch it in any way. So however you choose to do it will work.
applying a patch Re: installing patches?
if we have foo.patch and a dir called source in our current directory we do this: $ cd source $ patch -p0 ../foo.patch if this fails you can try -p1 or omitting the -p completely. If it still fails you may have a bad patch or one meant for a different version of the source.
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:18:47AM +0100, Arvid Warnecke wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 03:05:34PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: I believe so, but to be sure, here is my bbkeys rc. Thanks. I set up a ~/.bbkeysrc, but how is bbkeys started? Do I have to write a line in my ~/.blackboxrc? it is in the debian menu under Apps/tools or you can put it in either .xinitrc or .xsession. bbkeys is started. I use 'bbkeys -i ' in my .xinitrc because I won't see it the whole day opened on the desktop. Is that the best way or is there another chance to run it in behind? that is a good way. Ok, so I will leave it that way. BTW can I set a wallpaper in blackbox directly? I only found some posts which told that you should use display in .xinitrc, which isn't that nice... most of us let the style we use set the background image. display is still one of the best tools to use. There are some GUI ones as well. blackbox itself does not set the background or touch it in any way. So however you choose to do it will work. Ok, so if I want to handle it by the style I have to take a look in those files?! Might be a better solution than in .xinitrc because then I don't have to restart X to change the wallpapers I think. I will check that out then. Thanks for the support. Now I am at a point where I can really enjoy my new WM and remove that other ugly crap ;-) btw, if you're looking to edit the styles on your computer, there's a program to help you out with that. Check out bbconf.sourceforge.net. xOr -- I am damn unsatisfied to be killed in this way. msg04729/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
bbkeys questions/comments
Doubtless this is slightly off-topic, as this is a BlackBox mailing list, not a bbkeys ml, but as the two programs are rather close... well, let's just leave it at that. I've got a couple querries/comments on bbkeys: 1) I'm not a real QT-kinda person, but I have many non-standard keys on my keyboard (it's a Sun 5 thingy) like Stop, Again, , Front, Open, etc. that I'd like to use with bbkeys. How do I know what bbkeys refers to these keys as? I can get the numeric representations of these keys, of course, but what do I put in .bbkeysrc? 2) Is there any way to open/close the various menus (Workspaces/Icons, Main) through bbkeys? Such a feature would be rather nice. Then again, in BlackBox, you can't navigate menus with the keyboard anyway, so this would only be of benefit to people who use full maximization (like yours truly). Best, --Imad (e)magius Hussain _ There is much to be known and above all, much to be loved... Indeed, the more we find to love, the more we add to the measure of our hearts. -- Lloyd Alexander (via Adaon), _The Black Cauldron_ __
Re: bbkeys questions/comments
2) Is there any way to open/close the various menus (Workspaces/Icons, Main) through bbkeys? Such a feature would be rather nice. Then again, in BlackBox, you can't navigate menus with the keyboard anyway, so this would only be of benefit to people who use full maximization (like yours truly). there is no support for this right now. Brad (the original author) did not want to add bb specific options to the protocol because blackbox was going to speak Net WM (the GNOME KDE standard). This is still a goal. Personally, I feel that using an external app to control the menu is just a complete kluge. Long term, I believe blackbox will get keybindings internally and we will have keyboard navigable menus. I think that what bbkeys does now is a good and not a kluge. Once we support netwm, many other external apps will work with bb.
Re: bbkeys questions/comments
On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 19:07, Imad wrote:
Doubtless this is slightly off-topic, as this is a BlackBox mailing
list, not a bbkeys ml, but as the two programs are rather close... well,
let's just leave it at that.
I've got a couple querries/comments on bbkeys:
1) I'm not a real QT-kinda person, but I have many non-standard keys on
my keyboard (it's a Sun 5 thingy) like Stop, Again, , Front, Open,
etc. that I'd like to use with bbkeys. How do I know what bbkeys refers
to these keys as? I can get the numeric representations of these keys,
of course, but what do I put in .bbkeysrc?
QT-kinda person? The best way is to run xev and see what X calls your
keys. Then, you just put the key (XLookupString gives 1 characters:
f), etc. in your ~/.bbkeysrc as shown in the README.
2) Is there any way to open/close the various menus (Workspaces/Icons,
Main) through bbkeys? Such a feature would be rather nice. Then again,
in BlackBox, you can't navigate menus with the keyboard anyway, so this
would only be of benefit to people who use full maximization (like yours
truly).
No. Hopefully in blackbox 0.70. =:)
Best,
--Imad (e)magius Hussain
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Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 03:30:09PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: Ok, so if I want to handle it by the style I have to take a look in those files?! Might be a better solution than in .xinitrc because then I don't have to restart X to change the wallpapers I think. you can change your style at any time, same with your wallpaper. In each style is a line like this: rootCommand: setbg ~/.blackbox/Backgrounds/aphex.jpg setbg is not available here. I only have display. Is 'setbg' faster? I use 1280x1024, so it takes some time to load the wallpaper :-( this is how the style sets the background image. The other option is the various GUI background controllers. Some of them offer rotation at intervals and other nifty features. I tried 'chbg' but it has to many functions. I only need one wallpaper. Rotating makes me nervous ;-) Regards, Arvid -- .''`. [Arvid Warnecke] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [05323-715724] : :' : [IRC madhatter] [ http://up.to/suck ] [PGP-Subject: get pgp key] `. `' Linux 2.4.2 i686 XFree86 Version 4.0.2 Uptime: 1 day, 4:51 `-- BOFH #399: We are a 100% Microsoft Shop. msg04734/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On 08-Jan-2002 Arvid Warnecke wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 03:30:09PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: Ok, so if I want to handle it by the style I have to take a look in those files?! Might be a better solution than in .xinitrc because then I don't have to restart X to change the wallpapers I think. you can change your style at any time, same with your wallpaper. In each style is a line like this: rootCommand: setbg ~/.blackbox/Backgrounds/aphex.jpg setbg is not available here. I only have display. Is 'setbg' faster? I use 1280x1024, so it takes some time to load the wallpaper :-( not important, display is what I actually use here (-:
Re: bbkeys questions/comments
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 07:38:45PM -0500, Imad wrote: On 7 Jan 2002, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 19:07, Imad wrote: Doubtless this is slightly off-topic, as this is a BlackBox mailing list, not a bbkeys ml, but as the two programs are rather close... well, let's just leave it at that. I've got a couple querries/comments on bbkeys: 1) I'm not a real QT-kinda person, but I have many non-standard keys on my keyboard (it's a Sun 5 thingy) like Stop, Again, , Front, Open, etc. that I'd like to use with bbkeys. How do I know what bbkeys refers to these keys as? I can get the numeric representations of these keys, of course, but what do I put in .bbkeysrc? QT-kinda person? Well, I can't run bbkeysconf GUI as I don't use QT. ;) bbkeysconf is a perl script, not a QT app. bbconf is the QT app you think of. The best way is to run xev and see what X calls your keys. Then, you just put the key (XLookupString gives 1 characters: f), etc. in your ~/.bbkeysrc as shown in the README. That's what I tried, but I kept getting XLookupString gives 0 characters: ). I went back to try it again after getting your message, and noticed that right after the keycode there's a bit that reads (keysym 0xffe7, SunFront) (this is also how xev treats Mod/CTRL/Shift). D'oh! I put SunFront as the KeyToGrab in bbkeysrc and everything's working fine. Thanks for the help, and for bbkeys! Best, --Imad (e)magius Hussain _ There is much to be known and above all, much to be loved... Indeed, the more we find to love, the more we add to the measure of our hearts. -- Lloyd Alexander (via Adaon), _The Black Cauldron_ __ xOr -- I am damn unsatisfied to be killed in this way. msg04737/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Blackbox Web Design
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 10:03:16PM -0500, Thread wrote: Wacha guys think of this? http://www.threadbox.net/blackbox We can add some more cutie graphics if that's what people like, but I also know the blackbox crowd is a minimalistic one. (I know I am.) We'll see what people like. V.nice, but I have to admit, it does look rather Artwizzy, but then again, I guess that should be a complement :P. Jerrold.
Re: Blackbox Web Design
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:03:16 -0500 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wacha guys think of this? http://www.threadbox.net/blackbox We can add some more cutie graphics if that's what people like, but I also know the blackbox crowd is a minimalistic one. (I know I am.) We'll see what people like. -Thread Looks great to me. A good compromise between the one-page and multi-page designs, with the side boxes. Loaded instantly with Links, and only slightly slower with Opera 6. I don't think that any more graphics are really needed, but a couple of small ones wouldn't affect the loading by much. Speedy -- Of all the things you can accomplish by screwing up your face and swearing into a darkened room, sleep is not one of them.
Re: website ver2 (cut up, cleaned up, scripted)
http://speed.seas.upenn.edu/~rarya/bb2/ Keep the comments coming... I wanna hear more. -Raj. of the potential blackbox sites i've seen, this is the one I'm putting my money on. One slightly related topic...all the blackbox pages keep saying Blackbox is yet another addition to the list of window managers for the Open Group's X Window System, Version 11 Release 6 and above. Can we change that? It's not as if bb is the new kid on the block anymore; it's tried and true, it's the primary wm for a lotta people. It's not an addition to the list anymore, it's at the top ;) Adam __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: Blackbox Web Design
In message: Re: Blackbox Web Design ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 08/01/2002 (Tue 13:11) Speedy wrote: On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:03:16 -0500 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wacha guys think of this? I like it. Loaded instantly with Links, and only slightly slower with Opera 6. I don't think that any more graphics are really needed, but a couple of small ones wouldn't affect the loading by much. Really fast with w3m, but the layout gets mangled a bit. The div width= stuff doesn't render the same way a table would, but it's a small price to pay, unless someone's really excited about changing it to a pile o' nested tables. And I really like it under Mozilla 0.9.7. -Joe. -- Joe MacDonald :wq I think it is great, the only thing that i dont like is that it seems to be a fixed width which means that if someone has a res of 800x600 they have to scroll across to the side, i even had to a little with 1024x768 at full screen :( But other than that it is very nice -|- Hurgh -|-
Re: Blackbox Web Design
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Thread wrote: Wacha guys think of this? http://www.threadbox.net/blackbox We can add some more cutie graphics if that's what people like, but I also know the blackbox crowd is a minimalistic one. (I know I am.) We'll see what people like. Beautiful. Loaded very fast in Opera 5 (6 is a bit buggy for me...) and didn't degrade too badly in Lynx. --gile -- W31... W95... W98... W2000... BOOM! You sunk my Billy ship!
Re: Blackbox Web Design
Man, some browsers just suck. The design rendered beautifully in the brosers I developed it with, but ie, and apparently others, choked on it as some folks reported it not being variable width. It was, in fact, designed to be variable width. Should be all good now, though. http://www.threadbox.net/blackbox Thanks -Thread
Re: Blackbox Web Design
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:31:50 -0500 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man, some browsers just suck. The design rendered beautifully in the brosers I developed it with, but ie, and apparently others, choked on it as some folks reported it not being variable width. It was, in fact, designed to be variable width. Should be all good now, though. http://www.threadbox.net/blackbox Thanks -Thread Ewww. Opera 6 now splits the page into 3 even parts, and puts *all* the info in the middle one. All the rest is the page bg colour. Speedy -- Of all the things you can accomplish by screwing up your face and swearing into a darkened room, sleep is not one of them.
Re: Blackbox Web Design
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 11:31:50PM -0500, Thread wrote: Man, some browsers just suck. The design rendered beautifully in the brosers I developed it with, but ie, and apparently others, choked on it as some folks reported it not being variable width. It was, in fact, designed to be variable width. Should be all good now, though. http://www.threadbox.net/blackbox Thanks -Thread With opera for linux 6 tp 2, i get a very narrow page, like.. 350 pixels across. As you can image, this doesn't look so hot in 1280x1024. xOr -- I am damn unsatisfied to be killed in this way. msg04750/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Blackbox Graphics in General
We all know that Blackbox is wrapped around the fact that it's highly minimalistic. This is good. Minimalism is the way every Open Source identity should follow. Yet, why should minimalism mean bad design? Even though Blackbox is as easy and light like a feather, it doesn't mean that the graphics should make one bounce off the land of Blackbox just because there's a better-looking option. These days, design is everything. And in addition to having Blackbox functioning as light-weight desktop system, which it does without question, everyone should focus more on getting the light-weight graphics to look as if it was a graphical replacement of sex invented in year 4000. Nawamean? =) I'm not sure wether my point comes clear; I guess what I'm trying to say is -- graphics does matter, even though we're running diet style. About that site: What's wrong with http://www.oswd.org? I'm sure there's a ton of better examples available there.
Re: Blackbox Graphics in General
I'm not sure wether my point comes clear; I guess what I'm trying to say is -- graphics does matter, even though we're running diet style. what is blackbox not doing?
