RE: keybindings
On 27-Jun-2002 Derek Cunningham wrote: > Is there some standard window manager keybindings? I'm more curious than > anything, but if there is such a standards doc out there, I'd like to peruse > it. > no each group did their own thing. The ICCCM actually says the window manager should NOT have keybindings, but most of us believe that reflects the time the ICCCM was written and igore it. As for the actions that a binding can make it depends on how tightly bound to the wm you are. A keybinder very integrated into the window manager can offer all kinds of options whereas one like bbkeys is restricted mostly to actions the user could make.
Re: keybindings
On Thu, Jun27,02 09:05, xOr wrote: > > The question is whether or not there's some doc, similar to the ICCCM > > specification, that defines which keys the window manager should be allowed > > to map (ie: the doc would say that ALT+# is reserved for workspace changing, > > ALT+F4 is reserved for closing windows, etc). > > > > Again, I ask out of curiosity, and don't suspect such a doc exists, and if > > it does, I'm SURE there's applications and/or window managers that are > > violating it. > > Ah, I see. I have never heard of nor seen such a document, and highly > doubt its existance, since everyone loves modifyable keybindings so > much. > As expected. :) DC -- Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Human beings act intelligently only after they have exhausted the alternatives" -- Abba Eban Registered Linux User Number 195825
Re: keybindings
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 10:00:05AM -0400, Derek Cunningham wrote: > On Thu, Jun27,02 08:48, xOr wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 09:05:52AM -0400, Derek Cunningham wrote: > > > Is there some standard window manager keybindings? I'm more curious than > > > anything, but if there is such a standards doc out there, I'd like to peruse > > > it. > > > > No, the default bbkeys install doesn't come with any key-bindings. I > > think epist is the same as well. Blackbox itself doesn't catch any key > > events. > > > > huh? > > I'm aware that bbkeys doesn't come with a default config... that wasn't even > my question. > > The question is whether or not there's some doc, similar to the ICCCM > specification, that defines which keys the window manager should be allowed > to map (ie: the doc would say that ALT+# is reserved for workspace changing, > ALT+F4 is reserved for closing windows, etc). > > Again, I ask out of curiosity, and don't suspect such a doc exists, and if > it does, I'm SURE there's applications and/or window managers that are > violating it. Ah, I see. I have never heard of nor seen such a document, and highly doubt its existance, since everyone loves modifyable keybindings so much. xOr -- I am damn unsatisfied to be killed in this way. msg07535/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: keybindings
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:48:22 -0500 "xOr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Blackbox itself doesn't catch any key events. Not quite so. There are a few keys that BB will catch, such as ALT in conjunction with a right/left mouse click (I was corrected on this in the past). I don't have a complete list (haven't bothered with it really), but for the most part xOr's statement is correct. There are very few keys that BB natively uses. -- Jamin W. Collins
Re: keybindings
On Thu, Jun27,02 08:48, xOr wrote: > On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 09:05:52AM -0400, Derek Cunningham wrote: > > Is there some standard window manager keybindings? I'm more curious than > > anything, but if there is such a standards doc out there, I'd like to peruse > > it. > > No, the default bbkeys install doesn't come with any key-bindings. I > think epist is the same as well. Blackbox itself doesn't catch any key > events. > huh? I'm aware that bbkeys doesn't come with a default config... that wasn't even my question. The question is whether or not there's some doc, similar to the ICCCM specification, that defines which keys the window manager should be allowed to map (ie: the doc would say that ALT+# is reserved for workspace changing, ALT+F4 is reserved for closing windows, etc). Again, I ask out of curiosity, and don't suspect such a doc exists, and if it does, I'm SURE there's applications and/or window managers that are violating it. DC -- Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Human beings act intelligently only after they have exhausted the alternatives" -- Abba Eban Registered Linux User Number 195825
Re: keybindings
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 09:05:52AM -0400, Derek Cunningham wrote: > Is there some standard window manager keybindings? I'm more curious than > anything, but if there is such a standards doc out there, I'd like to peruse > it. No, the default bbkeys install doesn't come with any key-bindings. I think epist is the same as well. Blackbox itself doesn't catch any key events. xOr -- I am damn unsatisfied to be killed in this way. msg07529/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: keybindings
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 02:42:27 -0400 (AST) skidley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have it working now. I wasn't that familiar with bbkeys, I thought it > was a tool to setup keys and that was it. I didn't realize you had to > have that stupid little bbkeys box opened! You don't. Iconify it. 'bbkeys -i &' ^_^ -- Joseph Applegate (SB-X) UIN: 9788597
Re: keybindings
On 1 Feb 2002, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 19:43, skidley wrote: > > I have a logitech internet keyboard and have loaded the map for the > > extra keys in XFree86 with this line: Option "XkbModel" "logiinternet" > > I have 3 keys working easily in fluxbox. I have used bbkeys and bbconf > > to try to load the keys XF86WWW, XF86AudioRaiseVolume, and > > XF86AudioLowerVolume to execute commands without success. > > I've found (thanks to advice from this list) that there is better > success in remapping the keys to the extra F?? keys via xmodmap. If > you'd like I can provide my '.Xmodmap' file as an example. Details are > in the list archives also. > > Jamin W. Collins > > I have it figured out now w/o doing it hard way by remapping keys in a .Xmodmap that already are supposed to be mapped. But I could use some advice on how to get internet hotkeys like back, fwd, etc. to work in mozilla, maybe if you have done this in your .Xmodmap I could use it as an eg. -- "I've made many statements about being sober, and one I can really say is ... sobriety f**king sucks!" --Ozzy Osbourne Chad Young Registered Linux User #195191 @ http://counter.li.org --- Linux localhost 2.4.18-pre7-ac2 #2 Thu Jan 31 18:48:48 AST 2002 i686 unknown 2:40am up 14:22, 7 users, load average: 0.03, 0.10, 0.04
Re: keybindings
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Ben Neuman wrote: > I have a similar/same keyboard to yours...and I had the InternetKeys as > my primary source of keybinding for quite a while. I was able to get > them configured quite fine in the old Qt bbkeys interface...I'm not sure > how well bbconf does it. I've since moved on to different keybindings, > though. > > I have it working now. I wasn't that familiar with bbkeys, I thought it was a tool to setup keys and that was it. I didn't realize you had to have that stupid little bbkeys box opened! I don't know why I was working so hard to get it working as it wroks excellent in fluxbox and I primarily use fluxbox anyway. I guess sometimes you just have to get things working to prove ya can. Now to get all the keys to do what they are supposed to in mozilla. -- "I've made many statements about being sober, and one I can really say is ... sobriety f**king sucks!" --Ozzy Osbourne Chad Young Registered Linux User #195191 @ http://counter.li.org --- Linux localhost 2.4.18-pre7-ac2 #2 Thu Jan 31 18:48:48 AST 2002 i686 unknown 2:35am up 14:17, 7 users, load average: 0.18, 0.13, 0.04
Re: keybindings
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Ben Neuman wrote: > I have a similar/same keyboard to yours...and I had the InternetKeys as > my primary source of keybinding for quite a while. I was able to get > them configured quite fine in the old Qt bbkeys interface...I'm not sure > how well bbconf does it. I've since moved on to different keybindings, > though. > > I find this hard to believe, I have used the bbkeys and it doesn't work. It should work I can't see why it wouldn't as when I run xev the keys register as they are supposed to. How would I define keys to work in mozilla, like the back, fwd, stop, reload, etc. when they already have keybindings built in. -- "I've made many statements about being sober, and one I can really say is ... sobriety f**king sucks!" --Ozzy Osbourne Chad Young Registered Linux User #195191 @ http://counter.li.org --- Linux localhost 2.4.18-pre7-ac2 #2 Thu Jan 31 18:48:48 AST 2002 i686 unknown 2:10am up 13:52, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Re: keybindings
On 1 Feb 2002, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 19:43, skidley wrote: > > I have a logitech internet keyboard and have loaded the map for the > > extra keys in XFree86 with this line: Option "XkbModel" "logiinternet" > > I have 3 keys working easily in fluxbox. I have used bbkeys and bbconf > > to try to load the keys XF86WWW, XF86AudioRaiseVolume, and > > XF86AudioLowerVolume to execute commands without success. > > I've found (thanks to advice from this list) that there is better > success in remapping the keys to the extra F?? keys via xmodmap. If > you'd like I can provide my '.Xmodmap' file as an example. Details are > in the list archives also. > > Jamin W. Collins > > I have done this and had them working but it seems it should be much easier to use the defined keys for the particular kb. But I even tried that method b4 I sent my email and blackbox wouldn't run them although they were recognized in bbconf. The point I was trying to make and find out more about is why they would work flawlessly in fluxbox and not in blackbox when the methods of defining them are similar. -- "I've made many statements about being sober, and one I can really say is ... sobriety f**king sucks!" --Ozzy Osbourne Chad Young Registered Linux User #195191 @ http://counter.li.org --- Linux localhost 2.4.18-pre7-ac2 #2 Thu Jan 31 18:48:48 AST 2002 i686 unknown 2:05am up 13:47, 7 users, load average: 0.03, 0.02, 0.00
Re: keybindings
On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 19:43, skidley wrote: > I have a logitech internet keyboard and have loaded the map for the > extra keys in XFree86 with this line: Option "XkbModel" "logiinternet" > I have 3 keys working easily in fluxbox. I have used bbkeys and bbconf > to try to load the keys XF86WWW, XF86AudioRaiseVolume, and > XF86AudioLowerVolume to execute commands without success. I've found (thanks to advice from this list) that there is better success in remapping the keys to the extra F?? keys via xmodmap. If you'd like I can provide my '.Xmodmap' file as an example. Details are in the list archives also. Jamin W. Collins
Re: keybindings
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 09:43:00PM -0400, skidley wrote: > I have a logitech internet keyboard and have loaded the map for the > extra keys in XFree86 with this line: Option "XkbModel" "logiinternet" > I have 3 keys working easily in fluxbox. I have used bbkeys and bbconf > to try to load the keys XF86WWW, XF86AudioRaiseVolume, and > XF86AudioLowerVolume to execute commands without success. In bbconf when > i press the keys over the button for custom key neither keys are > recognized yet they show up correctly using xev. Is this a bug or what? > The keys work fine in fluxbox and I mostly use fluxbox but I'm curious > as to why I can't get them to work in blackbox. Also I can't get the > keys to work in kde which has a button to add custom key in kmenuedit that > looks just like the button in bbconf(problem with the type of button?). It's mind >boggling that they work in fluxbox and not blackbox. > > -- > "I've made many statements about being sober, and one I can really say is > ... sobriety f**king sucks!" --Ozzy Osbourne > > Chad Young > Registered Linux User #195191 > @ http://counter.li.org > --- > Linux localhost 2.4.18-pre7-ac2 #2 Thu Jan 31 18:48:48 AST 2002 i686 unknown > 9:30pm up 9:12, 7 users, load average: 0.01, 0.10, 0.14 > I have a similar/same keyboard to yours...and I had the InternetKeys as my primary source of keybinding for quite a while. I was able to get them configured quite fine in the old Qt bbkeys interface...I'm not sure how well bbconf does it. I've since moved on to different keybindings, though.
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On 08-Jan-2002 Arvid Warnecke wrote: > On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 03:30:09PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: >> > Ok, so if I want to handle it by the style I have to take a look in >> > those files?! Might be a better solution than in .xinitrc because then I >> > don't have to restart X to change the wallpapers I think. >> > >> >> you can change your style at any time, same with your wallpaper. >> >> In each style is a line like this: >> >> rootCommand: setbg ~/.blackbox/Backgrounds/aphex.jpg >> > setbg is not available here. I only have display. Is 'setbg' faster? I > use 1280x1024, so it takes some time to load the wallpaper :-( > not important, display is what I actually use here (-:
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 03:30:09PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > Ok, so if I want to handle it by the style I have to take a look in > > those files?! Might be a better solution than in .xinitrc because then I > > don't have to restart X to change the wallpapers I think. > > > > you can change your style at any time, same with your wallpaper. > > In each style is a line like this: > > rootCommand: setbg ~/.blackbox/Backgrounds/aphex.jpg > setbg is not available here. I only have display. Is 'setbg' faster? I use 1280x1024, so it takes some time to load the wallpaper :-( > this is how the style sets the background image. > > The other option is the various GUI background controllers. Some of them offer > rotation at intervals and other nifty features. I tried 'chbg' but it has to many functions. I only need one wallpaper. Rotating makes me nervous ;-) Regards, Arvid -- .''`. [Arvid Warnecke] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [05323-715724] : :' : [IRC madhatter] [ http://up.to/suck ] [PGP-Subject: get pgp key] `. `' Linux 2.4.2 i686 XFree86 Version 4.0.2 Uptime: 1 day, 4:51 `-- BOFH #399: We are a 100% Microsoft Shop. msg04734/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
> Ok, so if I want to handle it by the style I have to take a look in > those files?! Might be a better solution than in .xinitrc because then I > don't have to restart X to change the wallpapers I think. > you can change your style at any time, same with your wallpaper. In each style is a line like this: rootCommand: setbg ~/.blackbox/Backgrounds/aphex.jpg this is how the style sets the background image. The other option is the various GUI background controllers. Some of them offer rotation at intervals and other nifty features.
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:18:47AM +0100, Arvid Warnecke wrote: > On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 03:05:34PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> I believe so, but to be sure, here is my bbkeys rc. > > >> > Thanks. I set up a ~/.bbkeysrc, but how is bbkeys started? Do I have to > > >> > write a line in my ~/.blackboxrc? > > >> > > > >> > > >> it is in the debian menu under Apps/tools or you can put it in either > > >> .xinitrc > > >> or .xsession. > > > bbkeys is started. I use 'bbkeys -i &' in my .xinitrc because I won't > > > see it the whole day opened on the desktop. Is that the best way or is > > > there another chance to run it in behind? > > > > > > > that is a good way. > > > Ok, so I will leave it that way. > > > > BTW can I set a wallpaper in blackbox directly? I only found some posts > > > which told that you should use display in .xinitrc, which isn't that > > > nice... > > > > > > > most of us let the style we use set the background image. display is still one > > of the best tools to use. There are some GUI ones as well. blackbox itself > > does not set the background or touch it in any way. So however you choose to > > do it will work. > Ok, so if I want to handle it by the style I have to take a look in > those files?! Might be a better solution than in .xinitrc because then I > don't have to restart X to change the wallpapers I think. > > I will check that out then. > > Thanks for the support. Now I am at a point where I can really enjoy my > new WM and remove that other ugly crap ;-) btw, if you're looking to edit the styles on your computer, there's a program to help you out with that. Check out bbconf.sourceforge.net. xOr -- I am damn unsatisfied to be killed in this way. msg04729/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 03:05:34PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I believe so, but to be sure, here is my bbkeys rc. > >> > Thanks. I set up a ~/.bbkeysrc, but how is bbkeys started? Do I have to > >> > write a line in my ~/.blackboxrc? > >> > > >> > >> it is in the debian menu under Apps/tools or you can put it in either > >> .xinitrc > >> or .xsession. > > bbkeys is started. I use 'bbkeys -i &' in my .xinitrc because I won't > > see it the whole day opened on the desktop. Is that the best way or is > > there another chance to run it in behind? > > > > that is a good way. > Ok, so I will leave it that way. > > BTW can I set a wallpaper in blackbox directly? I only found some posts > > which told that you should use display in .xinitrc, which isn't that > > nice... > > > > most of us let the style we use set the background image. display is still one > of the best tools to use. There are some GUI ones as well. blackbox itself > does not set the background or touch it in any way. So however you choose to > do it will work. Ok, so if I want to handle it by the style I have to take a look in those files?! Might be a better solution than in .xinitrc because then I don't have to restart X to change the wallpapers I think. I will check that out then. Thanks for the support. Now I am at a point where I can really enjoy my new WM and remove that other ugly crap ;-) Best regards, Arvid -- .''`. [Arvid Warnecke] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [05323-715724] : :' : [IRC madhatter] [ http://up.to/suck ] [PGP-Subject: get pgp key] `. `' Linux 2.4.2 i686 XFree86 Version 4.0.2 Uptime: 1 day, 3:49 `-- BOFH #241: _Rosin_ core solder? But... msg04728/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On 07-Jan-2002 Arvid Warnecke wrote: > On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:39:16PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: >> >> > Is there a example file where I can see how to write my own .bbkeysrc >> >> > (was that the correct file-name?) and which syntax I have to use for >> >> > switching to Workspace1 by pressing "Alt+F1"? >> >> > >> >> >> >> I believe so, but to be sure, here is my bbkeys rc. >> > Thanks. I set up a ~/.bbkeysrc, but how is bbkeys started? Do I have to >> > write a line in my ~/.blackboxrc? >> > >> >> it is in the debian menu under Apps/tools or you can put it in either >> .xinitrc >> or .xsession. > Ok, thanks. Seems to work now. Only problem I have: > bbkeys is started. I use 'bbkeys -i &' in my .xinitrc because I won't > see it the whole day opened on the desktop. Is that the best way or is > there another chance to run it in behind? > that is a good way. > BTW can I set a wallpaper in blackbox directly? I only found some posts > which told that you should use display in .xinitrc, which isn't that > nice... > most of us let the style we use set the background image. display is still one of the best tools to use. There are some GUI ones as well. blackbox itself does not set the background or touch it in any way. So however you choose to do it will work.
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:39:16PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > >> > Is there a example file where I can see how to write my own .bbkeysrc > >> > (was that the correct file-name?) and which syntax I have to use for > >> > switching to Workspace1 by pressing "Alt+F1"? > >> > > >> > >> I believe so, but to be sure, here is my bbkeys rc. > > Thanks. I set up a ~/.bbkeysrc, but how is bbkeys started? Do I have to > > write a line in my ~/.blackboxrc? > > > > it is in the debian menu under Apps/tools or you can put it in either .xinitrc > or .xsession. Ok, thanks. Seems to work now. Only problem I have: bbkeys is started. I use 'bbkeys -i &' in my .xinitrc because I won't see it the whole day opened on the desktop. Is that the best way or is there another chance to run it in behind? BTW can I set a wallpaper in blackbox directly? I only found some posts which told that you should use display in .xinitrc, which isn't that nice... Best regards, Arvid -- .''`. [Arvid Warnecke] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [05323-715724] : :' : [IRC madhatter] [ http://up.to/suck ] [PGP-Subject: get pgp key] `. `' Linux 2.4.2 i686 XFree86 Version 4.0.2 Uptime: 1 day, 3:28 `-- BOFH #192: runaway cat on system. msg04725/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On 07-Jan-2002 Arvid Warnecke wrote: > On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:21:17PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: >> >> > So, if I install woody's blackbox and bbkeys it is normal that I can't >> >> > switch workspaces, but have define those bindings with bbkeys first? >> >> > >> >> yes. bbkeys catches key presses, decides what you wanted them to mean, >> >> and >> >> then tells blackbox what you asked for. >> > Is there a example file where I can see how to write my own .bbkeysrc >> > (was that the correct file-name?) and which syntax I have to use for >> > switching to Workspace1 by pressing "Alt+F1"? >> > >> > If so, I would build the woody packages again :-) >> > >> >> I believe so, but to be sure, here is my bbkeys rc. > Thanks. I set up a ~/.bbkeysrc, but how is bbkeys started? Do I have to > write a line in my ~/.blackboxrc? > it is in the debian menu under Apps/tools or you can put it in either .xinitrc or .xsession.
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:21:17PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > >> > So, if I install woody's blackbox and bbkeys it is normal that I can't > >> > switch workspaces, but have define those bindings with bbkeys first? > >> > > >> yes. bbkeys catches key presses, decides what you wanted them to mean, and > >> then tells blackbox what you asked for. > > Is there a example file where I can see how to write my own .bbkeysrc > > (was that the correct file-name?) and which syntax I have to use for > > switching to Workspace1 by pressing "Alt+F1"? > > > > If so, I would build the woody packages again :-) > > > > I believe so, but to be sure, here is my bbkeys rc. Thanks. I set up a ~/.bbkeysrc, but how is bbkeys started? Do I have to write a line in my ~/.blackboxrc? Best regards, Arvid -- .''`. [Arvid Warnecke] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [05323-715724] : :' : [IRC madhatter] [ http://up.to/suck ] [PGP-Subject: get pgp key] `. `' Linux 2.4.2 i686 XFree86 Version 4.0.2 Uptime: 1 day, 3:05 `-- BOFH #103: operators on strike due to broken coffee machine msg04718/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On 07-Jan-2002 Arvid Warnecke wrote: > On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: >> > So, if I install woody's blackbox and bbkeys it is normal that I can't >> > switch workspaces, but have define those bindings with bbkeys first? >> > >> >> yes. bbkeys catches key presses, decides what you wanted them to mean, and >> then tells blackbox what you asked for. > Is there a example file where I can see how to write my own .bbkeysrc > (was that the correct file-name?) and which syntax I have to use for > switching to Workspace1 by pressing "Alt+F1"? > > If so, I would build the woody packages again :-) > I believe so, but to be sure, here is my bbkeys rc. .bbkeysrc Description: .bbkeysrc
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > So, if I install woody's blackbox and bbkeys it is normal that I can't > > switch workspaces, but have define those bindings with bbkeys first? > > > > yes. bbkeys catches key presses, decides what you wanted them to mean, and > then tells blackbox what you asked for. Is there a example file where I can see how to write my own .bbkeysrc (was that the correct file-name?) and which syntax I have to use for switching to Workspace1 by pressing "Alt+F1"? If so, I would build the woody packages again :-) Regards, Arvid -- .''`. [Arvid Warnecke] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [05323-715724] : :' : [IRC madhatter] [ http://up.to/suck ] [PGP-Subject: get pgp key] `. `' Linux 2.4.2 i686 XFree86 Version 4.0.2 Uptime: 1 day, 2:42 `-- BOFH #157: Incorrect time syncronization msg04712/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
> So, if I install woody's blackbox and bbkeys it is normal that I can't > switch workspaces, but have define those bindings with bbkeys first? > yes. bbkeys catches key presses, decides what you wanted them to mean, and then tells blackbox what you asked for.
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:39:25PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > On 07-Jan-2002 Arvid Warnecke wrote: > > I just wanted to take a look at blackbox wm, coz I wanted something new. > > I was able to configure it like I wanted it to be, but I would like to > > have some keybindings to open an xterm for example. > > I read that you have to use bbkeys for version >= 0.6.0 but I didn't > > find any info about how to get those in version 0.5.x > > 0.5x.x has keybindings in it, just read the docs. > Read them, but I had the hope, that I would be able to define bindings on my own, and not only can decide if I want Mod1 or CTRL :-( > 0.6x.x removed keybindings, you need bbkeys. > > So, run potato's blackbox and you get keybindings (they are static, you do not > get much of a choice about WHICH keys). > > Run woody or later's blackbox and also woody's bbkeys. > So, if I install woody's blackbox and bbkeys it is normal that I can't switch workspaces, but have define those bindings with bbkeys first? Regards, Arvid -- .''`. [Arvid Warnecke] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [05323-715724] : :' : [IRC madhatter] [ http://up.to/suck ] [PGP-Subject: get pgp key] `. `' Linux 2.4.2 i686 XFree86 Version 4.0.2 Uptime: 1 day, 2:18 `-- BOFH #344: Network failure - call NBC msg04708/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On 07-Jan-2002 Arvid Warnecke wrote: > Hello, > > I just wanted to take a look at blackbox wm, coz I wanted something new. > I was able to configure it like I wanted it to be, but I would like to > have some keybindings to open an xterm for example. > I read that you have to use bbkeys for version >= 0.6.0 but I didn't > find any info about how to get those in version 0.5.x > I am using Debian Potato, so I have to use that version. Ok, I compiled > the version from woody, but there were some problems, coz then I had no > keys at all. I wasn't able to switch workspaces :-( > 0.5x.x has keybindings in it, just read the docs. 0.6x.x removed keybindings, you need bbkeys. So, run potato's blackbox and you get keybindings (they are static, you do not get much of a choice about WHICH keys). Run woody or later's blackbox and also woody's bbkeys. (Sean, also the Debian maintainer of the blackbox suite).
Re: Keybindings in version 0.5.x
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 10:32:09PM +0100, Arvid Warnecke wrote: > Hello, > > I just wanted to take a look at blackbox wm, coz I wanted something new. > I was able to configure it like I wanted it to be, but I would like to > have some keybindings to open an xterm for example. > I read that you have to use bbkeys for version >= 0.6.0 but I didn't > find any info about how to get those in version 0.5.x > I am using Debian Potato, so I have to use that version. Ok, I compiled > the version from woody, but there were some problems, coz then I had no > keys at all. I wasn't able to switch workspaces :-( When using 0.6x, you need to install the bbkeys program (bbkeys.sourceforge.net). It will provide you with the keybinds to switch workspace, run xterms, etc. I don't know anything about 0.5x :) xOr -- I am damn unsatisfied to be killed in this way. msg04706/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: keybindings
scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [please quote correctly -- see http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html (no offense)] > On Thursday 01 November 2001 11:46, you wrote: > > Sascha Huedepohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I wonder if it is possible to bind a key like F5 to execute > > > a Prog like rxvt? > > KeyToGrab(F5), WithModifier(None), WithAction(ExecCommand), DoThis(rxvt) > it probably took longer to type that question out > than it took me to setup "F5" to run 'rxvt' with > the GUI bbkeys configurator :-) alt+t (Terminal pops up) vim ~/.bbkeysrc (mouse highlight line) alt+tab (switch to mutt) (mouse paste) time elapsed <10s > [scott] :: "ein kalter Tod für den sprecher von Lügen" Jawoll! -Jan -- http://www.netmeister.org http://guinness.cs.stevens-tech.edu/~jschauma/
Re: keybindings
it probably took longer to type that question out than it took me to setup "F5" to run 'rxvt' with the GUI bbkeys configurator :-) On Thursday 01 November 2001 11:46, you wrote: > Sascha Huedepohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > i know about bbkeys and xmodmap and xev... > > I wonder if it is possible to bind a key like F5 to execute > > a Prog like rxvt? > > Have you _tried_ it? > > KeyToGrab(F5), WithModifier(None), WithAction(ExecCommand), DoThis(rxvt) > > -Jan -- [scott] :: "ein kalter Tod für den sprecher von Lügen"
Re: keybindings
Sascha Huedepohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > i know about bbkeys and xmodmap and xev... > I wonder if it is possible to bind a key like F5 to execute > a Prog like rxvt? Have you _tried_ it? KeyToGrab(F5), WithModifier(None), WithAction(ExecCommand), DoThis(rxvt) -Jan -- http://www.netmeister.org http://guinness.cs.stevens-tech.edu/~jschauma/
RE: Keybindings patch for blackbox
Sorry for the really stupid qn but, how do i install the patch on debian? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gregory J. Barlow Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Keybindings patch for blackbox After my earlier email, I got to thinking about my statement about key bindings. I realized that it couldn't be that hard to add them back into blackbox. So that's what I did. While I haven't gotten around to making a configuration option which allows you to turn them off and on, this should do for the time being. So if anyone else is tired of bbkeys, here you go. The only two available bindings are ctrl-arrows to change workspaces and alt-tab/alt-shift-tab to cycle windows, just like in the old days. You can find the patch, patched source, and Red Hat 7.1 source and binary rpms at http://crim.ece.ncsu.edu/~barlowg/blackbox -- Gregory J. Barlow http://barlow.ncssm.net NCSSM 99[EMAIL PROTECTED] NC State[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Keybindings & Blackbox
Today at 1:21pm, Rich Lafferty said: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 07:11:32PM +0100, William Leese > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Hey all, > [...] > > session.workspaceChangeModifier:Control > > > > After reading the docs it seems that Ctrl (as seen above should) + > > Arrow-key should let me switch... however, it doesnt.. focus still > > seems to be on running app even after placing the cursor over the > > 'desktop' or toolbar (i've also tried clicking on it). > > > > can someone point to me why this isnt working? i'm using ver. 0.61 compiled > > from source. > > AFAIK, as of 0.61, that's entirely in bbkeys. (Not sure what docs you > were reading, but it's not in 0.61.1's manpage at all.) from the manpage: USING BLACKBOX From version 0.60.x, Blackbox does no keyboard handling by itself; instead it relies on an external program bbkeys(1) for this. So in this section we will discuss all mouse commands. OK, a manpage for bbkeys could be written, but it's README is pretty straightforward, and fun to read ;) -- Wilbert Berendsen (http://www.xs4all.nl/~wbsoft/) "Economics is the study of what people do when nothing more important than money is at stake." -- RMS 23-11-1999
Re: Keybindings & Blackbox
* Mads Martin Joergensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Feb 21. 2001 19:21]: > * Rich Lafferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Feb 21. 2001 19:17]: > > > can someone point to me why this isnt working? i'm using ver. 0.61 compiled > > > from source. > > > > AFAIK, as of 0.61, that's entirely in bbkeys. (Not sure what docs you > > were reading, but it's not in 0.61.1's manpage at all.) > > The manual on http://bb.themes.org/ is up to date, I guess it's the docs > that's beeing referred to here. And if I could type, I would have written: is not up to date.
Re: Keybindings & Blackbox
On Wednesday 21 February 2001 19:22, you wrote: > * Mads Martin Joergensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Feb 21. 2001 19:21]: > > * Rich Lafferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Feb 21. 2001 19:17]: > > > > can someone point to me why this isnt working? i'm using ver. 0.61 > > > > compiled from source. > > > > > > AFAIK, as of 0.61, that's entirely in bbkeys. (Not sure what docs you > > > were reading, but it's not in 0.61.1's manpage at all.) > > > > The manual on http://bb.themes.org/ is up to date, I guess it's the docs > > that's beeing referred to here. yep.. > And if I could type, I would have written: is not up to date. ah, thanks everyone. I'll read the README file next time, really i will ;) cheers, William
Re: Keybindings & Blackbox
* Rich Lafferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Feb 21. 2001 19:17]: > > can someone point to me why this isnt working? i'm using ver. 0.61 compiled > > from source. > > AFAIK, as of 0.61, that's entirely in bbkeys. (Not sure what docs you > were reading, but it's not in 0.61.1's manpage at all.) The manual on http://bb.themes.org/ is up to date, I guess it's the docs that's beeing referred to here. Servus, Mads Martin -- Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort." -- A. P. J.
Re: Keybindings & Blackbox
* William Leese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Feb 21. 2001 19:13]: > Hey all, > > Being a lil' new to blackbox i've been unable to sucessfully use keybindings > to switch between windows and workspaces. Taken from the README file in the source tree: Third-party utilities: -- With the start of the 0.60.x series Blackbox no longer handles any keyboard shortcuts; instead it supports a communication protocol which allows other programs to handle these and related tasks. If you'd like to be able to use keyboard shortcuts with Blackbox, bbkeys (available at http://movingparts.windsofstorm.net/bbkeys.shtml) can provide you with all the previous functionality and more. Ciao, Mads Martin -- Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort." -- A. P. J.
Re: Keybindings & Blackbox
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 07:11:32PM +0100, William Leese ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hey all, > > Being a lil' new to blackbox i've been unable to sucessfully use keybindings > to switch between windows and workspaces. > > This is my part of my .blackboxrc [...] > session.workspaceChangeModifier:Control > > After reading the docs it seems that Ctrl (as seen above should) + > Arrow-key should let me switch... however, it doesnt.. focus still > seems to be on running app even after placing the cursor over the > 'desktop' or toolbar (i've also tried clicking on it). > > can someone point to me why this isnt working? i'm using ver. 0.61 compiled > from source. AFAIK, as of 0.61, that's entirely in bbkeys. (Not sure what docs you were reading, but it's not in 0.61.1's manpage at all.) -Rich -- -- Rich Lafferty --- Sysadmin/Programmer, Instructional and Information Technology Services Concordia University, Montreal, QC (514) 848-7625 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: keybindings
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Daniel T. Chen wrote: > On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Gregory J. Barlow wrote: > > > Most of the people asking this stupid question over and over again are not > > new users, they are people who are upgrading from the 5x series to the 6x > > series. I also think you put a bit too much faith in people. It would be > > great if they did, but in reality, they dont. > > Um, this is not just a problem with people "upgrading from the 5x series > to the 6x series," this is simple laziness inherent in humans. Heck, > every living creature exhibits this! ;-) I realize that. Unfortunately, more and more of the people on this list exhibit this tendency. On this particular question, however, most of the people asking this question over and over are people upgrading. Not that new users don't, but its a little more excusable with them. -- Gregory J. Barlow http://barlow.ncssm.net NCSSM 99[EMAIL PROTECTED] NC State[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein
Re: keybindings
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Gregory J. Barlow wrote: > Most of the people asking this stupid question over and over again are not > new users, they are people who are upgrading from the 5x series to the 6x > series. I also think you put a bit too much faith in people. It would be > great if they did, but in reality, they dont. Um, this is not just a problem with people "upgrading from the 5x series to the 6x series," this is simple laziness inherent in humans. Heck, every living creature exhibits this! ;-) With that note, I wouldn't mind being involved in constructing/updating the FAQ... dtc
Re: keybindings
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Peter Peltonen wrote: > "Gregory J. Barlow" wrote: > > > I am not against a good FAQ, I think it would be nice. I certainly dont > > enjoy having to answer the same question of newbies every week or > > so. There are two problems. Who is going to maintain it? And will most > > new users actually read it? > > I think new users will read it. At least if I think myself when I'm starting > to use new software I always read the FAQ. At least when I bump into > problems :) Most of the people asking this stupid question over and over again are not new users, they are people who are upgrading from the 5x series to the 6x series. I also think you put a bit too much faith in people. It would be great if they did, but in reality, they dont. > Maintaining is a bit harder. But if you think it this way: it's the same > effort to write the answer once in the FAQ that it is writing it to the > list. But one person doesnt answer every question on the mailing list. If you have a central FAQ, one person has to do all the work. > If you don't have the time to maintain the FAQ, then it might help putting > there instructions how one should find information (man blackbox, search the > archive, read the change files etc.) before asking a question. It probably > won't remove all the newbie questions but it could reduce the amount of > them. Another problem is, the people involved in development are not the same people involved in documentation. This is neither a good nor a bad thing, but it means that the blackbox homepage is less a center for docs and more a center for access to blackbox stuff. > Every time a question that is being asked you can just say: RTFM (--> FAQ > x.x) or something else very guruish! And how is that any better? I would be quite happy if there was a FAQ, as long as I didnt have to maintain it. I just dont think it would be quite the silver bullet you make it out to be. -- Gregory J. Barlow http://barlow.ncssm.net NCSSM 99[EMAIL PROTECTED] NC State[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein
Re: keybindings
"Gregory J. Barlow" wrote: > I am not against a good FAQ, I think it would be nice. I certainly dont > enjoy having to answer the same question of newbies every week or > so. There are two problems. Who is going to maintain it? And will most > new users actually read it? I think new users will read it. At least if I think myself when I'm starting to use new software I always read the FAQ. At least when I bump into problems :) Maintaining is a bit harder. But if you think it this way: it's the same effort to write the answer once in the FAQ that it is writing it to the list. If you don't have the time to maintain the FAQ, then it might help putting there instructions how one should find information (man blackbox, search the archive, read the change files etc.) before asking a question. It probably won't remove all the newbie questions but it could reduce the amount of them. Every time a question that is being asked you can just say: RTFM (--> FAQ x.x) or something else very guruish! Peter
Re: keybindings
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Peter Peltonen wrote: > "Gregory J. Barlow" wrote: > > > What makes you think that people would bother to read that either? > > Because that's what it's for. People tend to search information from the > software's web page. In the web page there is a link called "List of > Changes" to a page that does not contain the information about key bindings. > There is also the FAQ which does not contain this information. The person > who asked the question also had searched the mailing list archives. > > IMHO that is enough background work done before sending a question to the > list. > > I've also experienced that people who use RPMs (mostly newbie linux users) > don't even know about the /usr/doc directory where the Changelogs et cetera > are installed. They install the binary and if they run into problems they > search the web page and then post to the newsgroup / mailing list. Of course > they _should_ read every help/text-file what comes with the package, but > that's just how people tend to do. A lot of bandwidth is saved with a good > FAQ. >From man blackbox (the first place one should turn): -- >From version 0.60.x, Blackbox does no keyboard handling by itself; instead it relies on an external program bbkeys(1) for this. -- If this person had actually searched the mailing list archives, he would have found the answer to his question several times over, its not the first time someone has asked the question. I would like to know what FAQ you are looking at. The only one I see off of the main blackbox page is under the blackbox guide from bb.themes.org. In the introduction to this guide, it says: -- Please note, this guide is designed for use with the 0.5x.x series of Blackbox. The Guide for the beta 0.6x.x series is under development. -- This guide is in much the same state it was in when I wrote it ... in July 1999. Who knows if a guide for the current version will ever appear. Of course, the current bb.themes.org staff couldn't bother to include any credit to those who actually wrote the current version, but thats another story entirely. I am not against a good FAQ, I think it would be nice. I certainly dont enjoy having to answer the same question of newbies every week or so. There are two problems. Who is going to maintain it? And will most new users actually read it? -- Gregory J. Barlow http://barlow.ncssm.net NCSSM 99[EMAIL PROTECTED] NC State[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein
Re: keybindings
"Gregory J. Barlow" wrote: > What makes you think that people would bother to read that either? Because that's what it's for. People tend to search information from the software's web page. In the web page there is a link called "List of Changes" to a page that does not contain the information about key bindings. There is also the FAQ which does not contain this information. The person who asked the question also had searched the mailing list archives. IMHO that is enough background work done before sending a question to the list. I've also experienced that people who use RPMs (mostly newbie linux users) don't even know about the /usr/doc directory where the Changelogs et cetera are installed. They install the binary and if they run into problems they search the web page and then post to the newsgroup / mailing list. Of course they _should_ read every help/text-file what comes with the package, but that's just how people tend to do. A lot of bandwidth is saved with a good FAQ. Peter
Re: Keybindings
play with bbkeys. You use it to set key bindings in the alpha version of blackbox.
grab a copy at:
http://movingparts.windsofstorm.net/bbkeys.shtml
TTFN,
Bishop
On Thursday, 16 March 2000, at 16:34:47 (+0100),
Mads Martin Jørgensen wrote:
> What is the status with keybindings in Blackbox? I'm thinking about for
> example mapping F1 to an xterm, F2 to emacs and so on. If there is no
> work in progress, can anyone point me to where in the source it should
> go? And perhaps any considerations of how to configure it?
> In the menu file, like
> [key] (F1) {xterm -ls}
> or perhaps an item in .blackboxrc like
> KeyBind.F1: {xterm -ls}
> That could save me some time when I start hacking keybindings ;-)
>
> -Sincerily
>
> /Mads Martin
> --
> Mads Martin Jørgensen
> Stud. Scient. Dat/Chem
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Re: Keybindings
On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, [iso-8859-1] Mads Martin Jørgensen wrote:
> What is the status with keybindings in Blackbox? I'm thinking about for
> example mapping F1 to an xterm, F2 to emacs and so on. If there is no
> work in progress, can anyone point me to where in the source it should
> go? And perhaps any considerations of how to configure it?
> In the menu file, like
> [key] (F1) {xterm -ls}
> or perhaps an item in .blackboxrc like
> KeyBind.F1: {xterm -ls}
> That could save me some time when I start hacking keybindings ;-)
Before asking a question like this, it is useful to read over the archives
of the mailing list. The alpha version of blackbox, 0.60.0, which is
quite stable, has a companion program called bbkeys which allows complete
customization of keybindings. Go to movingparts.windsofstorm.net to get
it. bbkeys does NOT work with blackbox 0.51.x, so do not try it. If you
have anymore questions on this matter, I would suggest consulting the
mailing list archives before asking about it on this list.
--
Gregory J. Barlow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
