Remove GTK+-1? (was - Re: Nothing Doing (longish).)
Andrew Benton wrote these words on 10/05/05 12:54 CST: off topicIt seems to me that there is some dead wood that should be pruned from BLFS. glib-1.2 hasn't been able to compile unpatched since gcc-3.3. I'd drop it as unmaintained, along with all the gtk1 applications. Gnome-1, Xmms, bin the lot of them. That would create some space for some new things. Maybe there should be a page about OpenBox?/off topic I'll disagree here. There are many useful GTK+-1 applications out there. XMMS being one of them. Noted on the XMMS home page: For the fifth year in a row XMMS has been voted Favourite Audio Tool by the readers of LinuxJournal. Not that their self-advertising is worth a whole bunch, but still, this must mean folks still use the package. In fact, I'd say more audio developers create XMMS plugins than all other plugins combined for the other tools. -- Randy rmlscsi: [GNU ld version 2.15.94.0.2 20041220] [gcc (GCC) 3.4.3] [GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.4] [Linux 2.6.10 i686] 13:01:00 up 10 days, 21:25, 3 users, load average: 0.56, 0.15, 0.10 -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Remove GTK+-1? (was - Re: Nothing Doing (longish).)
On 10/5/05, Dan Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second that. For XMMS alone, it's worth keeping glib-1, gtk+-1. I personally will err on the side of gtk-2 every time, but inevitably something forces me to install gtk-1. As for gnome-1, I'm not sure why anyone would be using that. There is a gtk2 fork of xmms, beep media player. Just make the following symlinks for compatibility: ln -sf beep-config /usr/bin/xmms-config ln -sf libbeep.so /usr/lib/libxmms.so Though gnome1 is useful for gnucash, it is not yet ported to gnome2. Perhaps gnucash should be made into an hint instead of keeping it in the book? -- Tushar Teredesai mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~tushar/ -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Remove GTK+-1?
Tushar Teredesai wrote these words on 10/05/05 13:37 CST: Though gnome1 is useful for gnucash, it is not yet ported to gnome2. Perhaps gnucash should be made into an hint instead of keeping it in the book? Why? What useful purpose would that do? GnuCash works with current LFS-SVN and fills a void that really can't be solved with any other open source package. Why would we want to remove it? It is one of the more highly maintained packages (from a BLFS update standpoint) in BLFS. -- Randy rmlscsi: [GNU ld version 2.15.94.0.2 20041220] [gcc (GCC) 3.4.3] [GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.4] [Linux 2.6.10 i686] 13:43:00 up 10 days, 22:07, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.20 -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Remove GTK+-1? (was - Re: Nothing Doing (longish).)
On 10/5/05, Tushar Teredesai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a gtk2 fork of xmms, beep media player. Just make the following symlinks for compatibility: ln -sf beep-config /usr/bin/xmms-config ln -sf libbeep.so /usr/lib/libxmms.so Yeah, I use this, but it's sometimes still buggy. XMMS is pretty rock solid. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Remove GTK+-1?
Randy McMurchy wrote: GnuCash works with current LFS-SVN and fills a void that really can't be solved with any other open source package. Aside from those recently reviewed by The Grumpy Editor, of course: http://lwn.net/Articles/149383/. Note, I'm not suggesting that GnuCash be removed, just pointing out that there are 2 least 2 other viable alternatives. Regards, Matt. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Remove GTK+-1?
Randy McMurchy wrote: Dan Nicholson wrote these words on 10/05/05 13:16 CST: As for gnome-1, I'm not sure why anyone would be using that. It is a must for GnuCash. Which is a really, really good financial/cash manager application. Of course, you have to have some cash R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Remove GTK+-1?
Richard A Downing wrote: Of course, you have to have some cash And not be married - a finanical management application is of no use to me whatsoever - I already know my wife spends money faster than I can earn it, I don't need a computer to tell me that :) Matt. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Remove GTK+-1?
On 10/5/05, Randy McMurchy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tushar Teredesai wrote these words on 10/05/05 13:37 CST: Though gnome1 is useful for gnucash, it is not yet ported to gnome2. Perhaps gnucash should be made into an hint instead of keeping it in the book? Why? What useful purpose would that do? Just a suggestion in case the majority don't want gnome1 in the book. -- Tushar Teredesai mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~tushar/ -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Remove GTK+-1?
Tushar Teredesai wrote these words on 10/05/05 15:12 CST: Just a suggestion in case the majority don't want gnome1 in the book. It's *impossible* to determine a majority. The *readers* of the book are what matters. It is impossible to poll them. We recently removed Courier from the book. But for good reasons. 1. It was no longer maintained by any BLFS editor. 2. The version in the book was 6-7 revs old. 3. The instructions in the book didn't work for newer versions. 4. More, but I think you get the point. GnuCash is exactly opposite. It is highly maintained by BLFS editors. The version in BLFS is current and the instructions work. Why would we want to remove it? Because a handful of developers don't want GNOME1 in the book? Hardly a good reason, especially seeing how GNOME1 is highly maintained by BLFS. It currently builds perfectly with LFS-SVN using GCC-4. I'm not understanding why this is even being *considered* for removal. I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just looking for a good reason why a perfectly good application, and it's support packages are even being mentioned for removal. Please, answer me this: What harm is there in keeping it around? -- Randy rmlscsi: [GNU ld version 2.15.94.0.2 20041220] [gcc (GCC) 3.4.3] [GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.4] [Linux 2.6.10 i686] 15:18:01 up 10 days, 23:42, 3 users, load average: 1.15, 1.00, 0.69 -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Remove GTK+-1? (was - Re: Nothing Doing (longish).)
Randy McMurchy wrote: I'll disagree here. There are many useful GTK+-1 applications out there. XMMS being one of them. Noted on the XMMS home page: For the fifth year in a row XMMS has been voted Favourite Audio Tool by the readers of LinuxJournal. Not that their self-advertising is worth a whole bunch, but still, this must mean folks still use the package. In fact, I'd say more audio developers create XMMS plugins than all other plugins combined for the other tools. My experience has been that Beep http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/BMP_Homepage is an excellent gtk2 drop in replacement for Xmms. Xmms plugins work fine with Beep. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Remove GTK+-1? (was - Re: Nothing Doing (longish).)
Dan Nicholson wrote: On 10/5/05, Randy McMurchy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Benton wrote these words on 10/05/05 12:54 CST: off topicIt seems to me that there is some dead wood that should be pruned from BLFS. glib-1.2 hasn't been able to compile unpatched since gcc-3.3. I'd drop it as unmaintained, along with all the gtk1 applications. Gnome-1, Xmms, bin the lot of them. That would create some space for some new things. Maybe there should be a page about OpenBox?/off topic I'll disagree here. There are many useful GTK+-1 applications out there. XMMS being one of them. Noted on the XMMS home page: Second that. For XMMS alone, it's worth keeping glib-1, gtk+-1. Drop xmms. The only MP3 players that can deal with id3v1 tags properly in UTF-8 locales without patching are Beep Media Player and Kaffeine. Beep Media Player is essentially a gtk2-based clone of xmms with some features added. As for gtk1, I was going to write the following note about it: This package's default style files in /etc/gtk don't work in UTF-8 locales. Changing font encoding to iso10646-1 in /etc/gtk/gtkrc.[language] fixes the problem. Beware that KDE and GNOME also set GTK styles (in ~/.kde/share/config/gtkrc and ~/.gtkrc), so these files also may need some manual editing. Since such configuration is fragile, it is recommended to avoid installation of gtk1 (and all applications that depend on it) if UTF-8 locales are going to be used. This brings up a task: build as much of BLFS as possible without gtk1. Find packages that incorrectly state that they depend / don't depend on GTK1. Bug 1483 (closed) is the beginning. -- Alexander E. Patrakov -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
