[BlindHandyMan] Almost show time.

[Don]

Well it's almost show time again.  This  week on the handy show we talk with a 
couple of guys that list members will know well.  Max Robinson,  and Dale 
Levins.  They are going to tell us about a machine you may need for your next 
wood working project.  This thing is called a biscuit  joiner.  To learn more 
about that download are give the show a listen.
On the blind like me show this week,  Phil talks with Derek Lane.They talk 
some about radio,  and Derek, tells this neat story about  his hike in the 
woods.   Give it a listen, and find out about all that.  Download links follow.

BHM http://www.sendspace.com/file/2jg4ge

BLM http://www.sendspace.com/file/lc0196

Have a fine week.  Don


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[BlindHandyMan] Pulling the engine out of the Jimmy

[robert moore]

Well I did not get too far but I did get the pan off of the tranny and got
it emptied out so I should not have much of a mess coming out of the back of
the tranny when we pull er out. I did end up making some what of a mess but
the good thing is that it is contained to one area and I got most of it
mopped up with news paper. I got the pan back in place and got most of the
bolts  back in but I am going to have to go back out there with a big piece
of card board or old rug to put the rest in because the concrete is a bit
sloped and it is a bit oily on that side.so I think I am down to
1.  both motor mounts, one of whitch is completely loosened up and left in
place.the other I will need an extra hand to hold the wrench on the back
side.
2.  take the cotter pin out of the shift linkage and get that separated from
the side of the transmission.
3.  drain the oil.
4.  once that is all done I jhust have to get the cross member out of the
way, hook up the cherry picker and have at it. I will be getting some help
with this part.
5.  OH a couple of things.
6.  Larry  what is the perpose for removing the tranny dipstick. Is it apt 
to
get slapped up against the heater fan motor?
7.  also is the cooling fan at much risk if I leave it bolted to the front 
of
the engine? Well that's all for my update/ questions/ ramblings.

Robert
8.

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Lee A. Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:22 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Blind auto racing. Car and Driver artical


Thanks Robert for posting this article from Car and Driver magazine and
thanks David and Don for approving the posting. the race as I said
before was a blast. However as much as I love the banks on that somewhat
oval track, we will not be returning there for next years race. In
our previous years of doing this blind drivers race , on our worst year
we made $17,000 to turn over to the summer camp jprogram for blind
kids. on our best year at Fonda Speedway they turned over $23,000 to
Lauren Liberman,Phd. who runs the camp. this year only $1,000 was
turned over. that is as you read it $16,000 short of our worst year
at Fonda. why so little you ask? the track owner of Lebanon Valley
speedway said he had many expenses. uh-huh sure fella. I may be blind
but not stupid. Meanwhile. my daughter Heather has her cast off as do I
and we are doing some " p t " for the moment. Heather has picked out a
car for next year with all the goodies to include 5 point harness set
ups but I am thinking that I might be doing promo's and other fund
rasing next year . time will tell . Meanwhile my daughter and I have
been invited to do a rally-race in South Africa but that for now is a
dream. I only hope that someday the racing opportunity I have had will
appear in your state or country so each of you can feel the fun of
oil slick mud slapping up against your helment and the rush of wild
wind as someone slams up against your left quarter panel. all in good
fun.I will admit you must be two screws loose to even get behind the
wheel , but when your co driver yells" Go Dad go. punch it" what a
rush. I wish to thank any and all who have anything to do with making
these races a great success. take a good look at
http://www.campabilities.com   thanks Lee

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You never learn anything by doing it right.



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] An old air conditioner in a heat wave.

[chiliblindman]

The only way to clean the blower fan is to pull the assembly out.  The coil 
can be washed down if done carefully.  Too much water pressure can close the 
gap between the fin rows.  A soft paint brush can be used if brushed in-line 
with the fins and than vacuum. ..bob 



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] An old air conditioner in a heat wave.

[Scott Howell]

You know this is a good point to discuss. First I can't get my shop  
vac into my airhandler, well not easily cause the damned box is to  
tight and the A coil is limited with respect to access to both sides.  
So, is their a cleaner I can spray to help loosen any dirt or do they  
make one of those coil cleaner brushes for a shop vac? Also, what is  
the most effective means for cleaning the coil on the outdoor unit? I  
know some who just turn everything off and hose it down. Is this  
really the best way? Furthermore, how does one clean the scroll fan in  
an airhandler without having to pull the entire fan out? I doubt you  
can other than removing it, but oh what a job. Amazingly enough,  
despite the filter, these fans get really dirty.

tnx


Scott
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On Sep 4, 2007, at 10:47 PM, Max Robinson wrote:

> Our central air conditioner is 20 or 25 years old. I can't remember  
> for
> certain. about 5 years ago I had to replace the condenser cooling  
> fan motor
> but other than that it has been quite trouble free. Friday before  
> last the
> house seemed to be getting warm in the afternoon so I went out to  
> check it.
> The circuit breaker was off so I reset it. The compressor took right  
> off
> but the fan did not. I shut it down, removed the grill, and gave the  
> fan a
> spin. It turned freely. I turned the power back on and gave the fan
> another shove. It didn't start but still spun freely. Power off again.
> The fan motor was too hot to touch so I feared the worst. I opened  
> up the
> dog house and found capacitor oil all over everything. The fan motor
> capacitor had tossed its cookies. Luckily I had a match for it so I
> installed and turned on the breaker. Back in business.
>
> When we woke up Monday morning the house seemed a little warm and  
> muggy.
> Back outside I found the breaker was off and when I reset it the  
> compressor
> just hummed instead of starting. The compressor capacitor had a  
> bulge in
> its header so off to the supply house. New capacitor installed and  
> AC back
> on.
>
> But something wasn't right. It just wasn't cooling. It had gotten  
> pretty
> far behind on Monday so I didn't know until Tuesday. It went on that  
> way
> slowly deteriorating. On Friday we called a repairman. Between  
> placing the
> call and his arrival I found that turning off the thermostat didn't  
> stop the
> unit outside. The capacitor oil had run down onto the contactor,  
> which is
> located below both of them, and effectively glued it in the on  
> position. My
> guess is the evaporator had iced up and couldn't clear even when the  
> forced
> air blower was running. I had to pay the guy for replacing the  
> contactor
> which I could have easily done myself but he was there by the time I  
> figured
> out what was going on.
>
> That did a lot but the daytime temperatures were getting up higher  
> than
> normal and the heat wave had broken, at least temporarily, so  
> something
> still wasn't right. Deciding to do all of the easy things first I  
> change
> the air filter. That did it. The filter was really plugged up and I  
> guess
> it was just a coincidence that it got bad at that particular time.  
> Anyway
> things are essentially back to normal.
>
> If changing the filter hadn't worked I was planning to open up the  
> sheet
> metal and clean the evaporator fins. It has been 35 years since that  
> was
> last done. To do that requires cutting through and removing some of  
> the
> insulation, drilling out several pop rivets and removing the metal  
> cover.
> Then the shop vac will be applied to the fins which probably need it.
> After cleaning the fins new pop rivets will have to be installed and  
> the
> insulation put back and held in place with our old friend, duck  
> tape. I'm
> going to put that off until the weather cools down some. The heat  
> wave came
> back today, high of 98. I will have to do it before winter because  
> the same
> air handler serves for heating and cooling.
>
> Regards.
>
> Max. K 4 O D S.
>
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net
> Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net
> Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com
>
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>
> 



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Obvious Lag In E-Mail Delivery

[Curtis Delzer]

I've had no delays writing or receiving messages from the googlegroups I am 
a member of.

Curtis Delzer


- Original Message - 
From: "Jewel Blanch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Obvious Lag In E-Mail Delivery


> In a word:  ANYTHING!  but it doesn't work!
> Even though googlegroups acknowledges your subscription request, it is 
> impossible, or at least seems to be so for many of us who have tried, to 
> get a message through!
>  Jewel
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Cy Selfridge
>  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:01 PM
>  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Obvious Lag In E-Mail Delivery
>
>
>  Hi all,
>  We looked into Googlegroups for some of our lists but did not like the 
> lack
>  of some controls.
>  Now, what is this blind horse list about?
>  Cy, the Ancient Okie
>
>  _
>
>  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  On Behalf Of Don
>  Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:11 PM
>  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Obvious Lag In E-Mail Delivery
>
>  That is know lie. We tried Google groups, for a while, on some other 
> groups.
>  They were just really bad. I'll take yahoo, and it's some times problems,
>  any day over Google groups. Don
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Jewel Blanch
>  To: HYPERLINK
>  "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 5:36 PM
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Obvious Lag In E-Mail Delivery
>
>  If Phil's blind horse list is an example of how good googlegroups is, 
> avoid
>  it like the plague!
>
>  Jewel
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Jeff Kisecker
>  To: HYPERLINK
>  "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:37 AM
>  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Obvious Lag In E-Mail Delivery
>
>  Maybe consider moving the list over to Google groups, as their voice
>  response for video activation is accessible, and they seam to be more
>  proactive.
>
>  Many groups I have belonged to over the years have moved over to Google.
>
>  Jeff Kisecker
>  -Original Message-
>  From: HYPERLINK
>  "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  [mailto:HYPERLINK
> 
> "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Behalf Of David Ferrin
>  Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:27 AM
>  To: HYPERLINK
>  "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Obvious Lag In E-Mail Delivery
>
>  It's most certainly a Yahoo problem, and unfortunately there is not a 
> thing
>  we can do about it unless we move the list some day.
>  David Ferrin
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Bill Gallik
>  To: Blind Handy Man
>  Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:05 AM
>  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Obvious Lag In E-Mail Delivery
>
>  Does anybody else notice a huge lag time between the time a post is sent 
> out
>  and when it is received back in your own email folders?
>
>  I sent a reply to the Black & Decker Leaf Blower thread at 8:30 yesterday
>  morning and I just received it at 1:30 this morning. Why the 17 hour 
> delay?
>
>  I suppose this is a question for the moderator more than the group, but 
> I'm
>  just wondering if anybody is noticing lags of this nature when they send
>  replies?
>  -
>  Bill Gallik
>  E-Mail: HYPERLINK 
> "mailto:wfgallik%40centurytel.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  - "The easiest thing to be in the world is you. The most difficult thing 
> to
>  be is what other people want you to be. Don't let them put you in that
>  position."
>  - Leo Buscaglia
>
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[BlindHandyMan] Painting, Questions and Answers

[Boyce, Ray]

How do I paint over wallpaper?

If the wallpaper is in good shape, then you should be able to paint over the 
surface by following the steps below.

However, if you have metallic wallpaper, we recommend removing the wallpaper 
and not attempt to paint it, as you will not achieve good results.
* Determine whether it is paper wallpaper or vinyl coated
* If paper - apply oil base primer coat; If vinyl - scuff sand surface with 
sandpaper.
* Remove any sanding dust with a tack cloth or damp clean rags.
* Let dry.
* Use an oil base primer, not a latex. A latex may reactivate the paste.
* Paint (kitchens and bathrooms, use a semi-gloss finish).

Why do the darker colors have such poor coverage (hide) particularly reds and 
burgundy?

Contrary to popular belief, dark colors DO NOT hide better than whites. The 
reason for this is because the base that the dark color is made from has little
or no Ti02 (titanium dioxide) which gives the paint its hiding power. Since 
Ti02 is a white pigment or powder, it can't be used in dark colors or it will
make them milky in appearance.

To help ensure better coverage, we offer two options:
1. Choose a color from our 120-color Devoe® Paint Ultra-Color® palette, then 
use one of the Devoe® Paint Ultra-Color® products, which will cover in two
coats.
2. Use a primer, tinted to a specific gray, which will match the 
light-reflectance of your topcoat color - also helping to give better hide in 
fewer coats
- without limiting your color selection.  Ask you local dealer about a gray 
base coat when using dark, vibrant colors.

Should I prime before painting?

We recommend that a primer always be applied prior to the topcoat for both 
interior and exterior projects. There are several key reasons to prime:
* INTERIOR
* Use on any new or bare surface to seal the surface
* Prevent smoke or water stains from consistently bleeding through to the 
surface
* Prevent grease and mildew stains from bleeding through
* Making a major color change
* Painting over a glossy surface
* Don't know when last painted; so topcoat will not be absorbed into the surface
* Ensures great adhesion of the topcoat which will promote:
* Greater color retention
* Greater wash and scrub resistance
* Makes for a more uniform attractive appearance of the topcoat
* Ensures better holdout if topcoat has a sheen
* EXTERIOR
* Use on any new or bare surface to seal the surface
* Ensures great adhesion of the topcoat
* Helps prevent blistering, cracking and peeling of topcoat
* Offers better color retention and fade resistance
* Helps control growth of new mildew
* Needed to cover stains or major changes to ensure complete coverage of topcoat
* Needed to cover old chalky or weathered surfaces

How do I paint wood cabinets or paneling?

To paint your wood kitchen cabinets/paneling you will need to follow these 
steps:
Scuff sand lightly
* Remove sanding dust with clean damp rags or tack cloth
* Follow all product label instructions for preparing surface
* Apply an oil primer or latex primer - depending upon surface - check can 
labels
* Follow all drying and recoat times on the label instructions
* Apply an oil or latexl in satin, semi-gloss or high-gloss, your choice - oils 
tend to yellow
* If you need a second coat check recoat time on label instructions before 
applying
* Note for Cabinets - Depending on usage, you may topcoat with a clear 
polyurethane
* compatible with your paint (oil/latex) - oil will tend to yellow

How do I prepare a surface before I paint?

Surface preparation is the most important part of painting. Almost all common 
paint problems are associated with poor surface preparation and rarely due
to failure of the paint itself. A clean surface will maximize paint adhesion 
and minimize stain bleed-through.
* Spackle any nail holes or cracks.
* Sand any rough spots lightly to a smooth finish.
* On smooth surfaces such as walls or doors a mild detergent and warm water 
applied with a rag or sponge is usually sufficient.
* Rougher areas such as masonry, brick or tile can be cleaned with a bristle 
brush.
* A h2er cleanser such as ammonia should only be used where grease and dirt 
build-up is substantial.
* Always rinse thoroughly to eliminate any detergent residue and allow the 
surface to dry completely.
* Prime the surface.

How do I paint brick or stone?

If the surface has never been painted, it is important to prime it using any 
latex topcoat that you select. Thin with water up to 1 cup per gallon mix,
apply one coat.

If the brick has been previously painted, prepare the surface by first using a 
wire brush to remove any loose paint.  Unless the old coat of paint was peeling
all over, a single coat of latex paint should be sufficient to refresh.

Using the same paint - not thinned - as the second or final coat will finish 
the job.

How do you open a five gallon bucket?

There are several different types of five gallon buckets. All of the buckets 
should have a pull out plug on the top of the can. Ver

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Obvious Lag In E-Mail Delivery

[Jewel Blanch]

In a word:  ANYTHING!  but it doesn't work!
Even though googlegroups acknowledges your subscription request, it is 
impossible, or at least seems to be so for many of us who have tried, to get a 
message through!
  Jewel
  - Original Message - 
  From: Cy Selfridge 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:01 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Obvious Lag In E-Mail Delivery


  Hi all,
  We looked into Googlegroups for some of our lists but did not like the lack
  of some controls.
  Now, what is this blind horse list about?
  Cy, the Ancient Okie

  _ 

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Don
  Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:11 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Obvious Lag In E-Mail Delivery

  That is know lie. We tried Google groups, for a while, on some other groups.
  They were just really bad. I'll take yahoo, and it's some times problems,
  any day over Google groups. Don
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jewel Blanch 
  To: HYPERLINK
  "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 5:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Obvious Lag In E-Mail Delivery

  If Phil's blind horse list is an example of how good googlegroups is, avoid
  it like the plague!

  Jewel
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeff Kisecker 
  To: HYPERLINK
  "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:37 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Obvious Lag In E-Mail Delivery

  Maybe consider moving the list over to Google groups, as their voice
  response for video activation is accessible, and they seam to be more
  proactive.

  Many groups I have belonged to over the years have moved over to Google.

  Jeff Kisecker
  -Original Message-
  From: HYPERLINK
  "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:HYPERLINK
  "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Behalf Of David Ferrin
  Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:27 AM
  To: HYPERLINK
  "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Obvious Lag In E-Mail Delivery

  It's most certainly a Yahoo problem, and unfortunately there is not a thing
  we can do about it unless we move the list some day.
  David Ferrin
  - Original Message -
  From: Bill Gallik
  To: Blind Handy Man
  Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:05 AM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Obvious Lag In E-Mail Delivery

  Does anybody else notice a huge lag time between the time a post is sent out
  and when it is received back in your own email folders?

  I sent a reply to the Black & Decker Leaf Blower thread at 8:30 yesterday
  morning and I just received it at 1:30 this morning. Why the 17 hour delay?

  I suppose this is a question for the moderator more than the group, but I'm
  just wondering if anybody is noticing lags of this nature when they send
  replies?
  -
  Bill Gallik
  E-Mail: HYPERLINK "mailto:wfgallik%40centurytel.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  - "The easiest thing to be in the world is you. The most difficult thing to
  be is what other people want you to be. Don't let them put you in that
  position."
  - Leo Buscaglia

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[BlindHandyMan] What Range Should I Buy

[Ray Boyce]

Hi All
The other day a member asked what range should I buy well here is a URl 
where lots of ranges are located.
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productList&Ne=5000&category=Ranges&N=0+130&lks=app4b
 

[BlindHandyMan] Product Recall

[Ray Boyce]

Name of Product: "Avant Yarde" Decorative Glaze Outdoor Candles

Units: About 83,000

Importer/Distributor: The Hayes Company Inc., of Valley Center, Kan.

Hazard: The candle's wax can catch fire causing a high flame, which
poses a fire and burn hazard to consumers.

Incidents/Injuries: The firm has received two reports of consumers who
suffered minor burns to their hands when they tried to extinguish flames
coming from the candle.

Description: The recall involves three styles of outdoor citronella
candles with a glazed lower portion that is brown, blue, or green. The
item number 18134 can be located on the top left part of the label on
the bottom of the candle.

Sold at: Ace Hardware stores nationwide from February 2006 through June
2007 for about $8.

Manufactured in: China

Remedy: Consumers should stop using the recalled candles immediately and
return them to any Ace Hardware store for a full refund.

Consumer Contact: For further information, contact Hayes at (800)
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the firm's Web site at www.hayesco.com.

[BlindHandyMan] Pulling the engine out of the Jimmy.

[robert moore]

Well folks I am so close to finishing the project that I can almost taste
it.
I plan on going out there yet today and getting my hands dirty again.
I will let you all know what all is left when I get back. The list is
getting very short.
Robert Moore
All things come to he who waits, if he who waits, works like hell while he
waits.

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Larry Stansifer
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:24 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] audible level

Hi Guys,

What is the best source for an audible level?

I also need to fab up a guide for a four foot sheet metal
break. this would be similar in function and design to a rip
fence on a table saw.
I have a piece of 1" Aluminum bar stock that will serve as
the stop. What I need is a set of clamps I can attach to the
ends of the break itself that will allow me to slide the
aluminum bar horizontally a measured distance from the
bending shoe.


Regards

Larry Stansifer

Thou art rewarded for thy results not for thine efforts.

The Rogue Warrior


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[BlindHandyMan] Outdoor priming with indoor paint?

[David Engebretson]

I have an old garage that needs to be primered.  Is it okay to use indoor paint
(acrylic) as a primer?  Someone told me I could thin it out and it would work
fine - is this true?

Thanks,
David

[BlindHandyMan] audible level

[Larry Stansifer]

Hi Guys,
 
What is the best source for an audible level?
 
I also need to fab up a guide for a four foot sheet metal
break. this would be similar in function and design to a rip
fence on a table saw.
I have a piece of 1" Aluminum bar stock that will serve as
the stop. What I need is a set of clamps I can attach to the
ends of the break itself that will allow me to slide the
aluminum bar horizontally a measured distance from the
bending shoe.
 
 
Regards
 
Larry Stansifer
 
Thou art rewarded for thy results not for thine efforts.
 
The Rogue Warrior
 


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[BlindHandyMan] jig for biscuit cutting

[Lenny McHugh]

I made a jig for biscuit cutting. I took a scrap board 1 1/2" W and about 40" 
L. Starting from about 2" from one end I drilled a hole that will accept a 4 
penny finishing nail about every 1/2". On the end where I started drilling I 
added a 6" x 1 1/2" end making a T square.  this T square end is 3/8" above and 
below the long piece.
 By sliding in 4 penny finishing nails I have a very tactile marking system. 
When the biscuits are cut on one side of the joint just flip the jig over on 
the other board and they are perfect aligned. I plan to have my wife put high 
marks on the biscuit joiner to make it easier for me to feel and align.
Lenny http://www.geocities.com/lenny_mchugh/

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] biscuit cutting

[Dan Rossi]

Lenny,

I've been there and done that.  Not necessarily that exact goof, but I've 
done plenty of things just like it.

I wasted 5 2X10X8 boards a couple of weeks ago.  I cut the first one, a 
beautiful sloping rip cut along the length of the board, it was perfect. 
So perfect that I used it as a template for three more boards.  After 
finishing the fourth board I realized that the three boards had to be 
longer than the first.  TOAST!

so I started again.  However, I screwed up the offset for my circ saw and 
cut the next board too narrow.  That's when I cleaned up everything and 
had a beer.

Nothing like scrapping expensive lumber to make your day.  Hang in there 
and whittle some cherry toothpicks from your scrap.  *GRIN*

  --
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tel:(412) 268-9081

[BlindHandyMan] biscuit cutting

[Lenny McHugh]

Well, I really messed up. I am knew at using the biscuit cutter and really 
goofed. I made 3 red cherry panels perfectly and the 4th I messed up. The one 
that I messed up is for the top, of course! I purposely cut the stock over size 
for later final trimming. When I cut the biscuits I forgot to take it into 
account. When I trimmed the panel to size I have exposed the biscuits on one 
side. If I would have taken equal amounts from each side it would have been ok. 
Or better yet, if one of the other panels were messed up it would have been 
unnoticed since these were the sides and fixed bottom shelf.
I will now have to get another piece of red cherry and cut out the joint and 
add another board.
Think I will have a glass of Jameson with dinner. I probably will not go in the 
basement tomorrow until I calm down.
Lenny http://www.geocities.com/lenny_mchugh/

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking light tester

[Tom Fowle]

Roger,
The cheapest continuity tester I know of is made by 
production devices
http://www.productiondevices.com

It's a probe witha  metal tip and a long cord out the back with a clip.

It will responde either to continuity or varying resistance between probe
and clip and to voltage also.  I think it's twenty bucks or so.  You can't
readilly tell if it's seeing continuity or a voltage bit you usually know that.

If you want a really fancy continuity/voltage tester, there is the "tonetest"
which is a box with really nice clip leads attached and two buttons one that
puts it into continuity mode and the other puts it into
voltage mode.  In voltage mode it has two ranges depending on how long you
push the voltage button.  Max up to I think 40 volts.  The pitch of the tones
indicates relative voltage.

This is available from Dave Reynolds for about $90.00 and is a very
well made high quality machine with really good quality cables and heavy solid
brass clips, intended for automotive electrical work.

Dave Reynolds can be got at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The talking digital multimeter has a continuity mode but its poor and slow.
this is better if you really need to measure voltages etc.
Can be had from Marlin P. Jones associates
http://www.mpja.com
under test equipment/multimeters
The manual and a fine review of this meter are on the blind-handyman
test pages at jawsusers.com/blind-handyman

hoep this helps
Tom

[BlindHandyMan] tag lines

[robert moore]

Lee
I love your tag lines
Especially this last one.

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Lee A. Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:22 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Blind auto racing. Car and Driver artical


Thanks Robert for posting this article from Car and Driver magazine and
thanks David and Don for approving the posting. the race as I said
before was a blast. However as much as I love the banks on that somewhat
oval track, we will not be returning there for next years race. In
our previous years of doing this blind drivers race , on our worst year
we made $17,000 to turn over to the summer camp jprogram for blind
kids. on our best year at Fonda Speedway they turned over $23,000 to
Lauren Liberman,Phd. who runs the camp. this year only $1,000 was
turned over. that is as you read it $16,000 short of our worst year
at Fonda. why so little you ask? the track owner of Lebanon Valley
speedway said he had many expenses. uh-huh sure fella. I may be blind
but not stupid. Meanwhile. my daughter Heather has her cast off as do I
and we are doing some " p t " for the moment. Heather has picked out a
car for next year with all the goodies to include 5 point harness set
ups but I am thinking that I might be doing promo's and other fund
rasing next year . time will tell . Meanwhile my daughter and I have
been invited to do a rally-race in South Africa but that for now is a
dream. I only hope that someday the racing opportunity I have had will
appear in your state or country so each of you can feel the fun of
oil slick mud slapping up against your helment and the rush of wild
wind as someone slams up against your left quarter panel. all in good
fun.I will admit you must be two screws loose to even get behind the
wheel , but when your co driver yells" Go Dad go. punch it" what a
rush. I wish to thank any and all who have anything to do with making
these races a great success. take a good look at
http://www.campabilities.com   thanks Lee

--
You never learn anything by doing it right.



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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Blind auto racing. Car and Driver artical

[robert moore]

Cy
If you can find a track down there that is willing to do this, maybe Lee and
I could help you get it going. I can't speek for Lee but I can speek for
myself. I am willing to do what I can do. I have a sister in OK City that I
could stay with. I would get my friend to drag me and a car down there and
race. So there you have at least one race team to start with.
Robert

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:06 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Blind auto racing. Car and Driver artical

Lee,
Your fund raising efforts this year sound like Tulsa Council of the Blind's
fund raiser a couple of years ago.
We did a music event with some top name entertainer at Tulsa's historic
Cains Ballroom.
I don't recall the total amount of money we took in but our cut was a measly
$1,100. Now, out of something like $30,000 it occurred to us that something
smelled very fisheye indeed.
As you said, the ballroom claimed that they did not have all that many
tickets sold despite the fact that every seat was filled.
Oh well, we ain't gonna do that one again.
Blind, yes. Stupit, not hardly.
Cy, the ancient Okie...

_

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 ]
On Behalf Of Lee A. Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:22 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Blind auto racing. Car and Driver artical

Thanks Robert for posting this article from Car and Driver magazine and
thanks David and Don for approving the posting. the race as I said
before was a blast. However as much as I love the banks on that somewhat
oval track, we will not be returning there for next years race. In
our previous years of doing this blind drivers race , on our worst year
we made $17,000 to turn over to the summer camp jprogram for blind
kids. on our best year at Fonda Speedway they turned over $23,000 to
Lauren Liberman,Phd. who runs the camp. this year only $1,000 was
turned over. that is as you read it $16,000 short of our worst year
at Fonda. why so little you ask? the track owner of Lebanon Valley
speedway said he had many expenses. uh-huh sure fella. I may be blind
but not stupid. Meanwhile. my daughter Heather has her cast off as do I
and we are doing some " p t " for the moment. Heather has picked out a
car for next year with all the goodies to include 5 point harness set
ups but I am thinking that I might be doing promo's and other fund
rasing next year . time will tell . Meanwhile my daughter and I have
been invited to do a rally-race in South Africa but that for now is a
dream. I only hope that someday the racing opportunity I have had will
appear in your state or country so each of you can feel the fun of
oil slick mud slapping up against your helment and the rush of wild
wind as someone slams up against your left quarter panel. all in good
fun.I will admit you must be two screws loose to even get behind the
wheel , but when your co driver yells" Go Dad go. punch it" what a
rush. I wish to thank any and all who have anything to do with making
these races a great success. take a good look at
HYPERLINK " http://www.campabilities.com  "
http://www.campabil-ities.com   thanks
Lee

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RE: [BlindHandyMan]Laying A New Linolium Floor

[Larry Stansifer]

Ron,

You might want to check with your home center and find out
if they will rent you a roller to assist in getting the
linoleum to stick uniformly. Somebody on this list told me
about that a year ago when I did my guest bathroom and it
worked like a champ.

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron
Yearns
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:10 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan]Laying A New Linolium Floor


Well for whqat it is worth I lean toward tile for a floor.
The peel and stick stuff works good for me.  For laying over
another floor I have don it.  If the bottom layer has a
embossed pattern it will likely bleed or show through in
time so the floor leveling shoulds like a good idea.
Someone mentioned removing the stool and vanity also a very
good idea.  Removing the quarter round or baseboard is also
good for a better finished line. Ron
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ward Dudley 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 4:32 PM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan]Laying A New Linolium Floor


  Hi Everyone,

  I am buying a new house and want to replace the linolium
flooring in one of the bathrooms. Is it best to take up the
old linolium or can I just put to new linolium on top. The
old linolium is in good condition but we want to change the
room color. 

  Sincerely,
  Ward

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Re: [BlindHandyMan]Laying A New Linolium Floor

[Ron Yearns]

Well for whqat it is worth I lean toward tile for a floor.  The peel and stick 
stuff works good for me.  For laying over another floor I have don it.  If the 
bottom layer has a embossed pattern it will likely bleed or show through in 
time so the floor leveling shoulds like a good idea.  Someone mentioned 
removing the stool and vanity also a very good idea.  Removing the quarter 
round or baseboard is also good for a better finished line.
Ron
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ward Dudley 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 4:32 PM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan]Laying A New Linolium Floor


  Hi Everyone,

  I am buying a new house and want to replace the linolium flooring in one of 
the bathrooms. Is it best to take up the old linolium or can I just put to new 
linolium on top. The old linolium is in good condition but we want to change 
the room color. 

  Sincerely,
  Ward

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Talking light tester

[Roger Bachelder]

Hi Tom,
 
This instrument sounds too good to be true. It would be nice to figure out
if there is discontinuity in several Wires in the project I've got going on
right now. 
Where can i purchase this animal? I'm heading out for vacation at noon, So
thank you in advance if you can dig out that information for me.
 
Take care,
Roger C Bachelder 3rd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


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From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Tom Fowle
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:32 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking light tester



roger,
Not sure what you mean by a "negative positive talking light tester"

Are you wanting to test circuits for continuity or voltage,
or to test light bulbs or what?

There are continuity and voltage testers that use tones which is
often better than speech cause it's faster. There is a talking "DMM" digital
multi-meter if you need more exact measurements of voltage, current
resistance and so on.

Please be more specific so we can help.

Tom Fowle
Rehab Engineer
Smith-Kettlewell RERC



 


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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Blind auto racing. Car and Driver artical

[Cy Selfridge]

Lee,
Your fund raising efforts this year sound like Tulsa Council of the Blind's
fund raiser a couple of years ago.
We did a music event with some top name entertainer at Tulsa's historic
Cains Ballroom.
I don't recall the total amount of money we took in but our cut was a measly
$1,100. Now, out of something like $30,000 it occurred to us that something
smelled very fisheye indeed.
As you said, the ballroom claimed that they did not have all that many
tickets sold despite the fact that every seat was filled.
Oh well, we ain't gonna do that one again.
Blind, yes. Stupit, not hardly.
Cy, the ancient Okie...

   _  

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Lee A. Stone
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:22 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Blind auto racing. Car and Driver artical




Thanks Robert for posting this article from Car and Driver magazine and 
thanks David and Don for approving the posting. the race as I said 
before was a blast. However as much as I love the banks on that somewhat 
oval track, we will not be returning there for next years race. In 
our previous years of doing this blind drivers race , on our worst year 
we made $17,000 to turn over to the summer camp jprogram for blind 
kids. on our best year at Fonda Speedway they turned over $23,000 to 
Lauren Liberman,Phd. who runs the camp. this year only $1,000 was 
turned over. that is as you read it $16,000 short of our worst year 
at Fonda. why so little you ask? the track owner of Lebanon Valley 
speedway said he had many expenses. uh-huh sure fella. I may be blind 
but not stupid. Meanwhile. my daughter Heather has her cast off as do I 
and we are doing some " p t " for the moment. Heather has picked out a 
car for next year with all the goodies to include 5 point harness set 
ups but I am thinking that I might be doing promo's and other fund 
rasing next year . time will tell . Meanwhile my daughter and I have 
been invited to do a rally-race in South Africa but that for now is a 
dream. I only hope that someday the racing opportunity I have had will 
appear in your state or country so each of you can feel the fun of 
oil slick mud slapping up against your helment and the rush of wild 
wind as someone slams up against your left quarter panel. all in good 
fun.I will admit you must be two screws loose to even get behind the 
wheel , but when your co driver yells" Go Dad go. punch it" what a 
rush. I wish to thank any and all who have anything to do with making 
these races a great success. take a good look at
HYPERLINK "http://www.campabilities.com"http://www.campabil-ities.com thanks
Lee

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Talking light tester

[Roger Bachelder]

Hi Art,
 
This would be really nice to have, Do You remember where you purchased it?
I'm heading out for vacation at noon today, So thanks in advance if you
remember.
 
 
Roger C Bachelder 3rd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


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From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Art Rizzino
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:29 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Talking light tester



Roger, I am not sure what you are looking for. One thing that I have is a
commercially available DC audible test light. It has a pointed probe and no
additional wires. The round case that the probe sticks out of is metal and
inside there are two batteries, a buzzer and a light on top. When the probe
is touched to a DC source and your body is touching a good ground the light
turns on and the buzzer sounds. Yes the tool works through the human body.
This is great for one handed testing for DC power. The batteries are for
sounding the buzzer and lighting the light. I think the range is something
like 0.5 or 1 volt to 25 volts.
I think the price is around $19.00, it is quite a while ago that I got mine.
Art
- Original Message - 
From: Roger Bachelder 
To: blindhandyman@  yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 8:17 PM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Talking light tester

Hi Guys,

I'm looking to purchase a negative / positive talking light tester. Do they
make such a tool?
And if so, Where can i find one?

Roger C Bachelder 3rd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  net

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Blind auto racing. Car and Driver artical

[Dan Rossi]

Lee,

Heather sounds like a real wild girl.  I'd be glad to take your place in 
next years race if Heather is crazy enough to get in the car with me.


-- 
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tel:(412) 268-9081

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electric meter for outlets

[Dan Rossi]

I just did a search for "watt hour meter" on google and got a bunch of 
hits.  Including sponsored links for places that sell WattHour Meters.


-- 
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tel:(412) 268-9081

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Blind auto racing. Car and Driver artical

[Lee A. Stone]

Thanks Robert for posting this article from Car and Driver magazine and 
thanks David and Don for approving  the posting. the race as I said 
before was a blast. However as much as I love the banks on that somewhat 
oval track, we will not be returning there  for  next  years race.  In 
our previous years of doing this blind drivers race , on our worst year 
we made   $17,000 to turn over to the summer  camp jprogram for  blind 
kids. on our best year at Fonda Speedway they  turned over $23,000 to 
Lauren Liberman,Phd. who runs the camp. this year  only $1,000 was 
turned over. that is  as you read it $16,000  short of  our worst year 
at   Fonda. why so little you ask? the track owner of Lebanon Valley 
speedway said he had many expenses. uh-huh sure fella.  I may be blind 
but not stupid. Meanwhile. my daughter Heather has her cast off  as do I 
and we are doing some " p t " for the moment. Heather has picked out a 
car for next year with all the goodies to include 5 point harness set 
ups but  I am thinking that  I might  be  doing promo's and other fund 
rasing next year . time will tell . Meanwhile  my daughter and I have 
been invited to do a rally-race in South Africa but  that for now is a 
dream. I only hope that someday the racing  opportunity I have had will 
appear in your state or country so  each of you can feel the  fun of  
oil slick mud slapping up against your helment and the  rush of  wild 
wind as someone  slams up against your left quarter panel. all in good 
fun.I will admit you must be two screws loose to even get behind the 
wheel , but   when your co driver yells" Go Dad go. punch it" what a 
rush. I wish to thank any and all who have anything to do with making 
these races a great success. take a good look at
 http://www.campabilities.com   thanks Lee



-- 
You never learn anything by doing it right.

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Planning Your Fence Project

[Lee A. Stone]

Ray, a good rule of thumb  for installing a fence along property lines  
is to do a set back of  one foot from your property line. that way one 
would have that one foot for painting and other purposes. the neighbor 
you have now might be fine but the new  neighbor  down the road might be 
like a couple I have. for some reason around here it is not legal to  
install land mines just along the fence line but time will tell. then I 
think of our conversation Ray when you told me about the kangeroos  
looking over top of the stockade fence. I bet those critters are better 
looking then the  neighbor I have to the South. currently I am looking 
for a box canyon  purchase in the State of Montana or maybe Costa Rico.  
Meanwhile  the money you put  into your fence project and how you take 
care of it will depend on how long that fence will last. Lee


-- 
You never learn anything by doing it right.