Re: [BlindHandyMan] more snow!
Oh dear, sent that last message from assistants computer. Betsy At 12:08 PM 2/24/2010, you wrote: Aloha Lenny, I've never seen such a thing, but I have seen floors inside cabins at ski resorts that are warm. I wonder if someone might be able to talk about that. I do know that the particular floors I'm talking about were not heated with a boiler system and pipes in the floor. Betsy At 11:14 AM 2/24/2010, you wrote: We are forecasted for another 8 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow. My cardiologist will not allow me to shovel snow. Anyone in the zipper club he forbids to do that task. Wish I could help. I saw something a long time ago about heat tapes imbedded into the sidewalk. Just might look into that. Has anyone heard of them?I wonder about shock hazard? --- Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous with many resources for the blind. http://www.lennymchugh.comhttp://www.lennymchugh.com Lenny Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when addressing. Help stop identity theft. Send any questions regarding list management to: mailto:blindhandyman-owner%40yahoogroups.comb lindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module= pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handy man/ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?p gm=saturdayhttp://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/http: //www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandy...@yaho ogroups.com/http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: mailto:blindhandyman-help%40yahoogroups.comYah ooblindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] more snow!
I've even heard of heating elements imbedded in a concrete driveway. They use enormous amounts of power and are for rich people only. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh lmch...@verizon.net To: handyman-blind blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 3:14 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] more snow! We are forecasted for another 8 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow. My cardiologist will not allow me to shovel snow. Anyone in the zipper club he forbids to do that task. Wish I could help. I saw something a long time ago about heat tapes imbedded into the sidewalk. Just might look into that. Has anyone heard of them?I wonder about shock hazard? --- Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous with many resources for the blind. http://www.lennymchugh.com Lenny Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when addressing. Help stop identity theft. Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2706 - Release Date: 02/23/10 19:34:00 Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: blindhandyman-dig...@yahoogroups.com blindhandyman-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: blindhandyman-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] more snow!
They were probably just well insulated. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press braill...@hawaii.rr.com To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] more snow! Oh dear, sent that last message from assistants computer. Betsy At 12:08 PM 2/24/2010, you wrote: Aloha Lenny, I've never seen such a thing, but I have seen floors inside cabins at ski resorts that are warm. I wonder if someone might be able to talk about that. I do know that the particular floors I'm talking about were not heated with a boiler system and pipes in the floor. Betsy At 11:14 AM 2/24/2010, you wrote: We are forecasted for another 8 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow. My cardiologist will not allow me to shovel snow. Anyone in the zipper club he forbids to do that task. Wish I could help. I saw something a long time ago about heat tapes imbedded into the sidewalk. Just might look into that. Has anyone heard of them?I wonder about shock hazard? --- Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous with many resources for the blind. http://www.lennymchugh.comhttp://www.lennymchugh.com Lenny Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when addressing. Help stop identity theft. Send any questions regarding list management to: mailto:blindhandyman-owner%40yahoogroups.comb lindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module= pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handy man/ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?p gm=saturdayhttp://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/http: //www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandy...@yaho ogroups.com/http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: mailto:blindhandyman-help%40yahoogroups.comYah ooblindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2706 - Release Date: 02/23/10 19:34:00
Re: [BlindHandyMan] more snow!
Max, I don't know how to spell it, but there were some homes built by someone name Eichler or something like that. The floor was cement, and my friend wasn't rich, grin. Betsy At 01:30 PM 2/24/2010, you wrote: They were probably just well insulated. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: mailto:max%40maxsmusicplace.comm...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.nethttp://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.nethttp://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.comhttp://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. mailto:funwithtransistors-subscribe%40yahoogroups.comfunwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, mailto:funwithtubes-subscribe%40yahoogroups.comfunwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press mailto:brailleit%40hawaii.rr.combraill...@hawaii.rr.com To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] more snow! Oh dear, sent that last message from assistants computer. Betsy At 12:08 PM 2/24/2010, you wrote: Aloha Lenny, I've never seen such a thing, but I have seen floors inside cabins at ski resorts that are warm. I wonder if someone might be able to talk about that. I do know that the particular floors I'm talking about were not heated with a boiler system and pipes in the floor. Betsy At 11:14 AM 2/24/2010, you wrote: We are forecasted for another 8 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow. My cardiologist will not allow me to shovel snow. Anyone in the zipper club he forbids to do that task. Wish I could help. I saw something a long time ago about heat tapes imbedded into the sidewalk. Just might look into that. Has anyone heard of them?I wonder about shock hazard? --- Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous with many resources for the blind. http://www.lennymchugh.comhttp://www.lenn ymchugh.comhttp://www.lennymchugh.com Lenny Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when addressing. Help stop identity theft. Send any questions regarding list management to: mailto:blindhandyman-owner%40yahoogroups.comb mailto:lindhandyman-owner%40yahoogroups.comlindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?mod ule=http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module= pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/h andyftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handy man/ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.p hp?phttp://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?p gm=saturdayhttp://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturdayhttp://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/h ttp://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/http: //www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@ yahohttp://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandy...@yaho ogroups.com/http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/http://www.jaws -users.com/http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: mailto:blindhandyman-help%40yahoogroups.comYah oomailto:blindhandyman-help%40yahoogroups.comYahooblindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: mailto:blindhandyman-owner%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link
Re: [BlindHandyMan] more snow!
%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturdayhttp://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: mailto:blindhandyman-help%40yahoogroups.comYahooblindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2706 - Release Date: 02/23/10 19:34:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 4893 (20100224) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [BlindHandyMan] more snow!
A warm concrete floor in a house probably had hot water pipes in the concrete. Possibly electric coils though. Anyway this would not be much different from any other way of heating a house. The electric coils under a drive way to keep away the snow and ice is another story. We are talking thousand dollar electric bills in the TVA area where a normal bill is under a hundred. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press braill...@hawaii.rr.com To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] more snow! Max, I don't know how to spell it, but there were some homes built by someone name Eichler or something like that. The floor was cement, and my friend wasn't rich, grin. Betsy At 01:30 PM 2/24/2010, you wrote: They were probably just well insulated. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: mailto:max%40maxsmusicplace.comm...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.nethttp://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.nethttp://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.comhttp://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. mailto:funwithtransistors-subscribe%40yahoogroups.comfunwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, mailto:funwithtubes-subscribe%40yahoogroups.comfunwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press mailto:brailleit%40hawaii.rr.combraill...@hawaii.rr.com To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] more snow! Oh dear, sent that last message from assistants computer. Betsy At 12:08 PM 2/24/2010, you wrote: Aloha Lenny, I've never seen such a thing, but I have seen floors inside cabins at ski resorts that are warm. I wonder if someone might be able to talk about that. I do know that the particular floors I'm talking about were not heated with a boiler system and pipes in the floor. Betsy At 11:14 AM 2/24/2010, you wrote: We are forecasted for another 8 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow. My cardiologist will not allow me to shovel snow. Anyone in the zipper club he forbids to do that task. Wish I could help. I saw something a long time ago about heat tapes imbedded into the sidewalk. Just might look into that. Has anyone heard of them?I wonder about shock hazard? --- Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous with many resources for the blind. http://www.lennymchugh.comhttp://www.lenn ymchugh.comhttp://www.lennymchugh.com Lenny Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when addressing. Help stop identity theft. Send any questions regarding list management to: mailto:blindhandyman-owner%40yahoogroups.comb mailto:lindhandyman-owner%40yahoogroups.comlindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?mod ule=http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module= pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/h andyftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handy man/ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.p hp?phttp://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?p gm=saturdayhttp://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturdayhttp://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/h ttp://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/http: //www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@ yahohttp://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandy...@yaho ogroups.com/http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would
[BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating.
I've been doing a lot of research into heated floors. There are two main kinds of radiant floors, electric or hydronic (water). You can bury pipes in the cement floor, or place them in the joist bays beneath a wood floor, then use hot water flowing through the pipes to heat the floor. You can also use electric mesh mats under a layer of cement or cyramic tile to heat the floor. Depending on where you live, this could be pretty expensive. Heating a floor inside a house is a lot less expensive than heating a driveway or sidewalk. Electrically heating a driveway to melt snow would be for the rich only I would expect. heating the floor in the house would be much more cost effective. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
Re: [BlindHandyMan] more snow!
It takes a load of heat to melt any significant amount of snow and ice. Over night you might release enough surface to make scraping ice off of the cement easier but unless you get pretty warm weather you won't be able to afford to plug the electric in. You can keep ice off of sheltered stairs with embedded electric heat or off of a covered loading deck but that is about it. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh lmch...@verizon.net To: handyman-blind blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:14 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] more snow! We are forecasted for another 8 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow. My cardiologist will not allow me to shovel snow. Anyone in the zipper club he forbids to do that task. Wish I could help. I saw something a long time ago about heat tapes imbedded into the sidewalk. Just might look into that. Has anyone heard of them?I wonder about shock hazard? --- Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous with many resources for the blind. http://www.lennymchugh.com Lenny Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when addressing. Help stop identity theft. Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: blindhandyman-dig...@yahoogroups.com blindhandyman-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: blindhandyman-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report.
Did you find it strange that job site accidents with table saws aren't included in this report? They must class them differently for some reason. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: Blind Handyman List Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report. Fine Woodworking just posted the abstract to a report about table saw injuries requiring emergency room treatment. This was for only non-work related injuries. There are over 30,000 table saw related injuries a year in the United States. The large majority of those injuries come from contacting the saw blade and involve the fingers and thumb. Pretty scarry when you think about it. Keep your head about you whenever you turn that thing on. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] more snow!
There are electric grids usually used under ceramic flooring often in bathrooms, usually up to about 10 square feet. Thermostatically controlled, not all that expensive to buy and if you switch them off when not in use or say on a timer for those bare foot visits in the night they are fairly economical. We sleep with a bedroom window a little open all year round. We keep the master bathroom door closed to preserve some of the warmth in there nevertheless I wish I had installed heated floor in there, some winter mornings it is around 50F when my tenders approach the porcelain. Just about enough to cause retention. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Pomai Nosaka, Dolphin Press To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] more snow! Aloha Lenny, I've never seen such a thing, but I have seen floors inside cabins at ski resorts that are warm. I wonder if someone might be able to talk about that. I do know that the particular floors I'm talking about were not heated with a boiler system and pipes in the floor. Betsy At 11:14 AM 2/24/2010, you wrote: We are forecasted for another 8 - 10 inches of snow tomorrow. My cardiologist will not allow me to shovel snow. Anyone in the zipper club he forbids to do that task. Wish I could help. I saw something a long time ago about heat tapes imbedded into the sidewalk. Just might look into that. Has anyone heard of them?I wonder about shock hazard? --- Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous with many resources for the blind. http://www.lennymchugh.com Lenny Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when addressing. Help stop identity theft. Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report.
Bob, Yes, not only was I surprised that job site injuries weren't reported as part of this report, but since experienced users are at greater risk of injury, I can only imagine the numbers are pretty scarry for job site injuries. It is so interesting to read the comments from all the wood workers. The arguments are exactly the same against safety equipment that I've seen in the skydiving and rock climbing communities. The argument essentially goes, as long as you respect the tool, keep your head about you, don't do anything that you know to be dangerous or stupid, know everything that can go wrong and protect yourself against it, you will never have an accident. Personally, I don't believe that. Accidents can happen and I don't know anyone who is 100% aware 100% of the time. I also don't completely buy into the idea that making something safer means people will be more reckless doing it. I don't know too many people who get into a car with a seatbelt and airbag and then run red lights. Nor do I believe that someone using a SawStop would casually run their hand into the spinning blade. It's interesting to see all the stories from the guys who did get bit by their saw. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report.
I live in a small town with a population of just over 5,000. I attend at least two hand injuries per year from saw cuts. There are several more less significant injuries which never make it to my Department. Not all are table saws of course, hand circular saws do a remarkable amount of damage to people as well. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: Blind Handyman List Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report. Fine Woodworking just posted the abstract to a report about table saw injuries requiring emergency room treatment. This was for only non-work related injuries. There are over 30,000 table saw related injuries a year in the United States. The large majority of those injuries come from contacting the saw blade and involve the fingers and thumb. Pretty scarry when you think about it. Keep your head about you whenever you turn that thing on. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report.
I have a comment in that bunch. My name on that site is Old Hickory... - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report. Bob, Yes, not only was I surprised that job site injuries weren't reported as part of this report, but since experienced users are at greater risk of injury, I can only imagine the numbers are pretty scarry for job site injuries. It is so interesting to read the comments from all the wood workers. The arguments are exactly the same against safety equipment that I've seen in the skydiving and rock climbing communities. The argument essentially goes, as long as you respect the tool, keep your head about you, don't do anything that you know to be dangerous or stupid, know everything that can go wrong and protect yourself against it, you will never have an accident. Personally, I don't believe that. Accidents can happen and I don't know anyone who is 100% aware 100% of the time. I also don't completely buy into the idea that making something safer means people will be more reckless doing it. I don't know too many people who get into a car with a seatbelt and airbag and then run red lights. Nor do I believe that someone using a SawStop would casually run their hand into the spinning blade. It's interesting to see all the stories from the guys who did get bit by their saw. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report.
I've known people to lose 2 or 3 fingers like you were talking about earlier. For the life of me I couldn't convince myself to keep going after I hit the blade the first time... I know one guy claimed he was using a 12 inch commercial table saw with a very coarse ripping blade and he said his fingers just fit into the gullets. I wrestled with him in high school and he wasn't fast enough to get his fingers to fit in the gullets... But some of the stories are amusing when they tell them. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report. I live in a small town with a population of just over 5,000. I attend at least two hand injuries per year from saw cuts. There are several more less significant injuries which never make it to my Department. Not all are table saws of course, hand circular saws do a remarkable amount of damage to people as well. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: Blind Handyman List Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report. Fine Woodworking just posted the abstract to a report about table saw injuries requiring emergency room treatment. This was for only non-work related injuries. There are over 30,000 table saw related injuries a year in the United States. The large majority of those injuries come from contacting the saw blade and involve the fingers and thumb. Pretty scarry when you think about it. Keep your head about you whenever you turn that thing on. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating.
I installed the SunTouch brand in our last house, and it was great on the feet. It didn't raise our electric bill by any noticeable difference. I installed 45 square feet on a 120 volt system. After the tiles were warmed up, it never really ran that much. I am now installing it here at our new place, under the tile. it is expensive to install. I think it was over $300 for the 30 inch wide by 14 foot long mat. i tried to find the watts per square foot on there site, but was unable to. I know i saw it there before. So, there is my recommendation for a brand if you want to do this. It does look like they have heating mats for the snow. 120 volt mats draw 36 watts per square foot, and 240 volt ones draw 50 watts per square foot. There is a sensor, so they only operate when it is snowing, so unless you get a lot of snow, or are doing a large drive way, the cost would not be all that bad. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:03 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. I've been doing a lot of research into heated floors. There are two main kinds of radiant floors, electric or hydronic (water). You can bury pipes in the cement floor, or place them in the joist bays beneath a wood floor, then use hot water flowing through the pipes to heat the floor. You can also use electric mesh mats under a layer of cement or cyramic tile to heat the floor. Depending on where you live, this could be pretty expensive. Heating a floor inside a house is a lot less expensive than heating a driveway or sidewalk. Electrically heating a driveway to melt snow would be for the rich only I would expect. heating the floor in the house would be much more cost effective. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating.
Mike, Don't you live in Florida? Or do Ihave the wrong Mike? You are correct though. 50 watts per square foot isn't too bad. Say you do a three foot wide, by 10 foot long section, that would be about 1.5KW for the 240 volt matts. So, 1.5KWH around here would cost about 30 cents an hour to run. That's nowhere near as bad as Iwould have expected. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report.
Well I thought I was always careful and wouldn't get hurt. But I have a shorter thumb to show that we are human, get tired, get interrupted, and simply have a lapse of mind. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:17 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report. Bob, Yes, not only was I surprised that job site injuries weren't reported as part of this report, but since experienced users are at greater risk of injury, I can only imagine the numbers are pretty scarry for job site injuries. It is so interesting to read the comments from all the wood workers. The arguments are exactly the same against safety equipment that I've seen in the skydiving and rock climbing communities. The argument essentially goes, as long as you respect the tool, keep your head about you, don't do anything that you know to be dangerous or stupid, know everything that can go wrong and protect yourself against it, you will never have an accident. Personally, I don't believe that. Accidents can happen and I don't know anyone who is 100% aware 100% of the time. I also don't completely buy into the idea that making something safer means people will be more reckless doing it. I don't know too many people who get into a car with a seatbelt and airbag and then run red lights. Nor do I believe that someone using a SawStop would casually run their hand into the spinning blade. It's interesting to see all the stories from the guys who did get bit by their saw. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report.
My thumb was cut by a ten inch radial arm saw. I made sure I went down into the workshop the next day. You got to get back up on the horse right away, they say. And so that's what I did. That was in 1993. Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:46 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report. I've known people to lose 2 or 3 fingers like you were talking about earlier. For the life of me I couldn't convince myself to keep going after I hit the blade the first time... I know one guy claimed he was using a 12 inch commercial table saw with a very coarse ripping blade and he said his fingers just fit into the gullets. I wrestled with him in high school and he wasn't fast enough to get his fingers to fit in the gullets... But some of the stories are amusing when they tell them. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report. I live in a small town with a population of just over 5,000. I attend at least two hand injuries per year from saw cuts. There are several more less significant injuries which never make it to my Department. Not all are table saws of course, hand circular saws do a remarkable amount of damage to people as well. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: Blind Handyman List Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Table saw injury report. Fine Woodworking just posted the abstract to a report about table saw injuries requiring emergency room treatment. This was for only non-work related injuries. There are over 30,000 table saw related injuries a year in the United States. The large majority of those injuries come from contacting the saw blade and involve the fingers and thumb. Pretty scarry when you think about it. Keep your head about you whenever you turn that thing on. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating.
Nope, this Mike lives in Central Nebraska. trust me, it has been cold here, and snowy. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:24 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. Mike, Don't you live in Florida? Or do Ihave the wrong Mike? You are correct though. 50 watts per square foot isn't too bad. Say you do a three foot wide, by 10 foot long section, that would be about 1.5KW for the 240 volt matts. So, 1.5KWH around here would cost about 30 cents an hour to run. That's nowhere near as bad as Iwould have expected. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating.
OK Mike, Then it sounds like the electric mats aren't as bad as I thought. Are you just using them as a comfort heat source and not a primary heat source? Are they thermostatically controlled or do you turn them on and off when you want the heat? I've been looking at hydronic for a primary heat source on the first floor of my house. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating.
Hi Michael, Your radient flooring that warms the floor. Did you put it under tile or under wood? Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael baldwin Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:51 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. Nope, this Mike lives in Central Nebraska. trust me, it has been cold here, and snowy. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:24 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. Mike, Don't you live in Florida? Or do Ihave the wrong Mike? You are correct though. 50 watts per square foot isn't too bad. Say you do a three foot wide, by 10 foot long section, that would be about 1.5KW for the 240 volt matts. So, 1.5KWH around here would cost about 30 cents an hour to run. That's nowhere near as bad as Iwould have expected. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating.
The heat is thermatically controlled. So, my wife sets the temp, and we go with it. The first instillation at our old house was a primary heat source. We have 45 sq/ft of heating mat installed, and it heated a 135 sq/ft room fine. this was a bathroom in a basement, and the mats were installed in open floor area, not under cabinets toilet, shower, washer/dryer. There was a duct to this room, but i closed it to force more heat up stairs. in the summer, we left it on, cause even the floors then get cool. It did not make the room uncomfortably warm. I noticed the heat was all around, yeah the floor was warmer, but after we installed it, and ran it for a while, there did not seem to be any warm or cool spots in the room like you get with forced air. The bathroom i am doing now, there is a heat vent again, but I will have to wait and see how it does here before I decide to close it off. This installation will be over a crawlspace on the main floor. The crawl space is insulated, so it doesn't get cold, a little cool, but not cold. 35 sq/ft in a 120 sq ft room. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:57 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. OK Mike, Then it sounds like the electric mats aren't as bad as I thought. Are you just using them as a comfort heat source and not a primary heat source? Are they thermostatically controlled or do you turn them on and off when you want the heat? I've been looking at hydronic for a primary heat source on the first floor of my house. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating.
under tile. Well, starting from the bottom, I have the plywood subfloor, the heating mats, Kerdi membrane, and tile. I think the mats I got, if you put it under wood, you need to put a layer of thinset over the mats first, then glue the wood down, or use a floating floor. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Andrus Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:58 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. Hi Michael, Your radient flooring that warms the floor. Did you put it under tile or under wood? Dave A. Working together, sharing the light of salvation seen through the cross of Jesus Rev. Dave Andrus, Director Lutheran Blind Mission 888 215 2455 HTTP://WWW.BLINDMIS HTTP://WWW.BLINDMISSION.ORG SION.ORG -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael baldwin Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:51 PM To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. Nope, this Mike lives in Central Nebraska. trust me, it has been cold here, and snowy. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:24 PM To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. Mike, Don't you live in Florida? Or do Ihave the wrong Mike? You are correct though. 50 watts per square foot isn't too bad. Say you do a three foot wide, by 10 foot long section, that would be about 1.5KW for the 240 volt matts. So, 1.5KWH around here would cost about 30 cents an hour to run. That's nowhere near as bad as Iwould have expected. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating.
I don't believe that for a moment. If it is below freezing it is going to take a lot of heat just to raise the temperature of the surface above freezing. A cement walkway has a lot of mass to bring up to temperature. Then there is the latent heat. it takes something like 40 calories of energy to change the state of water from solid to liquid alone without actually raising the temperature. finally, you need to heat enough area to keep the snow and ice liquid distant enough for it to run away and not just freeze again. In locations where one only gets occasional snow and ice and the ambient temperature does not drop much below freezing then electric may be effective. Other locations like small areas, steps which are sheltered for example may be cost effective. Even the hot water systems aren't widely used except under a loading area like for example an ambulance entrance and that usually under a roof and behind a wall. The ambient atmosphere will draw huge amounts of heat off a surface very effectively. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Michael baldwin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:17 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. I installed the SunTouch brand in our last house, and it was great on the feet. It didn't raise our electric bill by any noticeable difference. I installed 45 square feet on a 120 volt system. After the tiles were warmed up, it never really ran that much. I am now installing it here at our new place, under the tile. it is expensive to install. I think it was over $300 for the 30 inch wide by 14 foot long mat. i tried to find the watts per square foot on there site, but was unable to. I know i saw it there before. So, there is my recommendation for a brand if you want to do this. It does look like they have heating mats for the snow. 120 volt mats draw 36 watts per square foot, and 240 volt ones draw 50 watts per square foot. There is a sensor, so they only operate when it is snowing, so unless you get a lot of snow, or are doing a large drive way, the cost would not be all that bad. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:03 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. I've been doing a lot of research into heated floors. There are two main kinds of radiant floors, electric or hydronic (water). You can bury pipes in the cement floor, or place them in the joist bays beneath a wood floor, then use hot water flowing through the pipes to heat the floor. You can also use electric mesh mats under a layer of cement or cyramic tile to heat the floor. Depending on where you live, this could be pretty expensive. Heating a floor inside a house is a lot less expensive than heating a driveway or sidewalk. Electrically heating a driveway to melt snow would be for the rich only I would expect. heating the floor in the house would be much more cost effective. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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under floor electric heat isn't bad considering the general cost of electric heat. Usually it is in a small room, a bathroom which might be a hundred or so square feet 25% or more of which is covered with shower stalls, tubs, vanities and so on. The ambient temperature of the dwelling will probably be around 70 degrees F so you aren't topping it up much. Heating an entire home that way though would be a lot more expensive. funny really, my first home nearly 40 years ago was all electric with R12 in the walls and R20 in the ceilings and promoted as being the way of the future. Within a couple of years though that turned out to be a myth. Electric heat is cheap to install though. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:57 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. OK Mike, Then it sounds like the electric mats aren't as bad as I thought. Are you just using them as a comfort heat source and not a primary heat source? Are they thermostatically controlled or do you turn them on and off when you want the heat? I've been looking at hydronic for a primary heat source on the first floor of my house. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Then go to h http://www.suntouch.com ttp://www.suntouch.com click on the ProMelt Mats link read the info, and download or open the pdf link SunTouchR ProMeltT Brochure, and see what it says for yourself. it is possible I miss read 50 watts on 240 volt systems, and 36 watts on 120 volt systems. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:27 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. I don't believe that for a moment. If it is below freezing it is going to take a lot of heat just to raise the temperature of the surface above freezing. A cement walkway has a lot of mass to bring up to temperature. Then there is the latent heat. it takes something like 40 calories of energy to change the state of water from solid to liquid alone without actually raising the temperature. finally, you need to heat enough area to keep the snow and ice liquid distant enough for it to run away and not just freeze again. In locations where one only gets occasional snow and ice and the ambient temperature does not drop much below freezing then electric may be effective. Other locations like small areas, steps which are sheltered for example may be cost effective. Even the hot water systems aren't widely used except under a loading area like for example an ambulance entrance and that usually under a roof and behind a wall. The ambient atmosphere will draw huge amounts of heat off a surface very effectively. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Michael baldwin To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:17 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. I installed the SunTouch brand in our last house, and it was great on the feet. It didn't raise our electric bill by any noticeable difference. I installed 45 square feet on a 120 volt system. After the tiles were warmed up, it never really ran that much. I am now installing it here at our new place, under the tile. it is expensive to install. I think it was over $300 for the 30 inch wide by 14 foot long mat. i tried to find the watts per square foot on there site, but was unable to. I know i saw it there before. So, there is my recommendation for a brand if you want to do this. It does look like they have heating mats for the snow. 120 volt mats draw 36 watts per square foot, and 240 volt ones draw 50 watts per square foot. There is a sensor, so they only operate when it is snowing, so unless you get a lot of snow, or are doing a large drive way, the cost would not be all that bad. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:03 PM To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. I've been doing a lot of research into heated floors. There are two main kinds of radiant floors, electric or hydronic (water). You can bury pipes in the cement floor, or place them in the joist bays beneath a wood floor, then use hot water flowing through the pipes to heat the floor. You can also use electric mesh mats under a layer of cement or cyramic tile to heat the floor. Depending on where you live, this could be pretty expensive. Heating a floor inside a house is a lot less expensive than heating a driveway or sidewalk. Electrically heating a driveway to melt snow would be for the rich only I would expect. heating the floor in the house would be much more cost effective. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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That is about 3 bucks a night or 90 bucks a month. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:24 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. Mike, Don't you live in Florida? Or do Ihave the wrong Mike? You are correct though. 50 watts per square foot isn't too bad. Say you do a three foot wide, by 10 foot long section, that would be about 1.5KW for the 240 volt matts. So, 1.5KWH around here would cost about 30 cents an hour to run. That's nowhere near as bad as Iwould have expected. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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with the water method of heating a floor if you're in the basement do you hear the water constintly running through the pipes? It's called house shoes or slippers as we call them in Canada, keep your feet warm and you don't have a monthly bill, unless your slippers somehow get wrecked all the time. As for this heating a driveway to keep the snow off I think if you keep on top of the snow and shovel once it's done it won't be so bad but for the ritch people that pay that if they didn't have that they would have someone clean their driveway and wipe their butt for them too. hahaha Blaine - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. I've been doing a lot of research into heated floors. There are two main kinds of radiant floors, electric or hydronic (water). You can bury pipes in the cement floor, or place them in the joist bays beneath a wood floor, then use hot water flowing through the pipes to heat the floor. You can also use electric mesh mats under a layer of cement or cyramic tile to heat the floor. Depending on where you live, this could be pretty expensive. Heating a floor inside a house is a lot less expensive than heating a driveway or sidewalk. Electrically heating a driveway to melt snow would be for the rich only I would expect. heating the floor in the house would be much more cost effective. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Well I found the specs for my system, and it is 12 watts per sq/ft no matter if your using 120 or 240 volts. So for a whole house, it could get kind of spendy if your house is not very well insulated. But my system is not designed for a whole house, that system would have different rating. Electric forced air heat might be cheap to install, but not electric wires or mats for heat. Hydronic is probably the way to go for a whole house. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:35 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. under floor electric heat isn't bad considering the general cost of electric heat. Usually it is in a small room, a bathroom which might be a hundred or so square feet 25% or more of which is covered with shower stalls, tubs, vanities and so on. The ambient temperature of the dwelling will probably be around 70 degrees F so you aren't topping it up much. Heating an entire home that way though would be a lot more expensive. funny really, my first home nearly 40 years ago was all electric with R12 in the walls and R20 in the ceilings and promoted as being the way of the future. Within a couple of years though that turned out to be a myth. Electric heat is cheap to install though. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:57 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. OK Mike, Then it sounds like the electric mats aren't as bad as I thought. Are you just using them as a comfort heat source and not a primary heat source? Are they thermostatically controlled or do you turn them on and off when you want the heat? I've been looking at hydronic for a primary heat source on the first floor of my house. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Well, it takes half a day to thaw a 20 pound turkey in my house at 72 degrees F. My patio weighs about 11 tons and is sitting on frost that penetrates about 4 feet and just now it is 0 degrees F out there with a slight breeze. That would require a load of heat to melt the snow even if the patio was laid on insulation. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Michael baldwin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:44 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. Then go to h http://www.suntouch.com ttp://www.suntouch.com click on the ProMelt Mats link read the info, and download or open the pdf link SunTouchR ProMeltT Brochure, and see what it says for yourself. it is possible I miss read 50 watts on 240 volt systems, and 36 watts on 120 volt systems. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:27 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. I don't believe that for a moment. If it is below freezing it is going to take a lot of heat just to raise the temperature of the surface above freezing. A cement walkway has a lot of mass to bring up to temperature. Then there is the latent heat. it takes something like 40 calories of energy to change the state of water from solid to liquid alone without actually raising the temperature. finally, you need to heat enough area to keep the snow and ice liquid distant enough for it to run away and not just freeze again. In locations where one only gets occasional snow and ice and the ambient temperature does not drop much below freezing then electric may be effective. Other locations like small areas, steps which are sheltered for example may be cost effective. Even the hot water systems aren't widely used except under a loading area like for example an ambulance entrance and that usually under a roof and behind a wall. The ambient atmosphere will draw huge amounts of heat off a surface very effectively. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Michael baldwin To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:17 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. I installed the SunTouch brand in our last house, and it was great on the feet. It didn't raise our electric bill by any noticeable difference. I installed 45 square feet on a 120 volt system. After the tiles were warmed up, it never really ran that much. I am now installing it here at our new place, under the tile. it is expensive to install. I think it was over $300 for the 30 inch wide by 14 foot long mat. i tried to find the watts per square foot on there site, but was unable to. I know i saw it there before. So, there is my recommendation for a brand if you want to do this. It does look like they have heating mats for the snow. 120 volt mats draw 36 watts per square foot, and 240 volt ones draw 50 watts per square foot. There is a sensor, so they only operate when it is snowing, so unless you get a lot of snow, or are doing a large drive way, the cost would not be all that bad. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:03 PM To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. I've been doing a lot of research into heated floors. There are two main kinds of radiant floors, electric or hydronic (water). You can bury pipes in the cement floor, or place them in the joist bays beneath a wood floor, then use hot water flowing through the pipes to heat the floor. You can also use electric mesh mats under a layer of cement or cyramic tile to heat the floor. Depending on where you live, this could be pretty expensive. Heating a floor inside a house is a lot less expensive than heating a driveway or sidewalk. Electrically heating a driveway to melt snow would be for the rich only I would expect. heating the floor in the house would be much more cost effective. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Assuming it runs all night, and every night. It only works when it is snowing out. the point being, it is not in the thousands of dollar range per month, unless you have a very large system, or very high electric rates. _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:38 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. That is about 3 bucks a night or 90 bucks a month. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:24 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. Mike, Don't you live in Florida? Or do Ihave the wrong Mike? You are correct though. 50 watts per square foot isn't too bad. Say you do a three foot wide, by 10 foot long section, that would be about 1.5KW for the 240 volt matts. So, 1.5KWH around here would cost about 30 cents an hour to run. That's nowhere near as bad as Iwould have expected. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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If you have a 2 car garage with a 25 foot long driveway that's about 30 kilowatts. I call that a lot. And that's a conservatively sized driveway. In this neighborhood they are about 75 feet long. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: Michael baldwin mbaldwin...@gmail.com To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:17 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. I installed the SunTouch brand in our last house, and it was great on the feet. It didn't raise our electric bill by any noticeable difference. I installed 45 square feet on a 120 volt system. After the tiles were warmed up, it never really ran that much. I am now installing it here at our new place, under the tile. it is expensive to install. I think it was over $300 for the 30 inch wide by 14 foot long mat. i tried to find the watts per square foot on there site, but was unable to. I know i saw it there before. So, there is my recommendation for a brand if you want to do this. It does look like they have heating mats for the snow. 120 volt mats draw 36 watts per square foot, and 240 volt ones draw 50 watts per square foot. There is a sensor, so they only operate when it is snowing, so unless you get a lot of snow, or are doing a large drive way, the cost would not be all that bad. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:03 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. I've been doing a lot of research into heated floors. There are two main kinds of radiant floors, electric or hydronic (water). You can bury pipes in the cement floor, or place them in the joist bays beneath a wood floor, then use hot water flowing through the pipes to heat the floor. You can also use electric mesh mats under a layer of cement or cyramic tile to heat the floor. Depending on where you live, this could be pretty expensive. Heating a floor inside a house is a lot less expensive than heating a driveway or sidewalk. Electrically heating a driveway to melt snow would be for the rich only I would expect. heating the floor in the house would be much more cost effective. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2708 - Release Date: 02/24/10 19:34:00
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Dale. Please keep in mind that some of us are talking about heating the interior of a house while I and others are talking about melting snow and ice off of a walkway or driveway. I know it is done because there are homes right here in Bowling Green that have heated driveways. The electric company had to run a 400 amp service to those homes. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens dleav...@puc.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. I don't believe that for a moment. If it is below freezing it is going to take a lot of heat just to raise the temperature of the surface above freezing. A cement walkway has a lot of mass to bring up to temperature. Then there is the latent heat. it takes something like 40 calories of energy to change the state of water from solid to liquid alone without actually raising the temperature. finally, you need to heat enough area to keep the snow and ice liquid distant enough for it to run away and not just freeze again. In locations where one only gets occasional snow and ice and the ambient temperature does not drop much below freezing then electric may be effective. Other locations like small areas, steps which are sheltered for example may be cost effective. Even the hot water systems aren't widely used except under a loading area like for example an ambulance entrance and that usually under a roof and behind a wall. The ambient atmosphere will draw huge amounts of heat off a surface very effectively. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Michael baldwin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:17 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. I installed the SunTouch brand in our last house, and it was great on the feet. It didn't raise our electric bill by any noticeable difference. I installed 45 square feet on a 120 volt system. After the tiles were warmed up, it never really ran that much. I am now installing it here at our new place, under the tile. it is expensive to install. I think it was over $300 for the 30 inch wide by 14 foot long mat. i tried to find the watts per square foot on there site, but was unable to. I know i saw it there before. So, there is my recommendation for a brand if you want to do this. It does look like they have heating mats for the snow. 120 volt mats draw 36 watts per square foot, and 240 volt ones draw 50 watts per square foot. There is a sensor, so they only operate when it is snowing, so unless you get a lot of snow, or are doing a large drive way, the cost would not be all that bad. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:03 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Radiant floor heating. I've been doing a lot of research into heated floors. There are two main kinds of radiant floors, electric or hydronic (water). You can bury pipes in the cement floor, or place them in the joist bays beneath a wood floor, then use hot water flowing through the pipes to heat the floor. You can also use electric mesh mats under a layer of cement or cyramic tile to heat the floor. Depending on where you live, this could be pretty expensive. Heating a floor inside a house is a lot less expensive than heating a driveway or sidewalk. Electrically heating a driveway to melt snow would be for the rich only I would expect. heating the floor in the house would be much more cost effective. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address:
