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Therese no doubt gizmos like this work, the way I've seen it done is with a so-called audio output transformer which are commonly available at radio shlock. these have two windings, the primary has several hundred turns at least whereas the secondary has relatively few turns. If you connect/disconnect a battery to the secondary momentarilly, the magnetic field building and collapsing in that small winding with induce a much higher voltage field in the primary which has many more turns. This can give a peak voltage of several hundred volts but with no real amount of current available, thus very little danger. I used to see a coffee can with a crank built up as a temptation to turn the crank which got you quite a noticable shock. Using a single coil will also work but probably with not as high an output spike. Tom Fowle On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:34:35PM -0500, John Sherrer wrote: I was thinking of a solenoid coil used in washing machine to turn the water on and off. They are cheap. I as also thinking that the voltage spike might two or three thousand volts. The voltage spike occurs when the voltage supply is turned on or off, but no spike when the coil has power or is off, only when change happens is their a voltage spike. A friend of mine, when I was a teenager had a book with an aluminum foil cover. When you opened the book or cclosed the book, you got a little bite. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! John's ideas are interesting, that solenoid coil would have to have a lot of turns on it, I'm not sure dogs responde to even moderate electric shocks as much as humans do, I think they need say 600 volts or so to make them take notice. I like the meat tray and pans idea except it'll wak up everyone in the house too. Maybe just a wireless baby monitor placed near the plate would give you enough sound to start yelling at him. What you don't want is false positives, if the thing goes off when it shouldn't the dog will quickly learn to ignore it because he doesn't know what it means. Tom Fowle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Using may slow the spike, opposing a very high spike. An inductor opposes a change in voltage. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! Therese no doubt gizmos like this work, the way I've seen it done is with a so-called audio output transformer which are commonly available at radio shlock. these have two windings, the primary has several hundred turns at least whereas the secondary has relatively few turns. If you connect/disconnect a battery to the secondary momentarilly, the magnetic field building and collapsing in that small winding with induce a much higher voltage field in the primary which has many more turns. This can give a peak voltage of several hundred volts but with no real amount of current available, thus very little danger. I used to see a coffee can with a crank built up as a temptation to turn the crank which got you quite a noticable shock. Using a single coil will also work but probably with not as high an output spike. Tom Fowle On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:34:35PM -0500, John Sherrer wrote: I was thinking of a solenoid coil used in washing machine to turn the water on and off. They are cheap. I as also thinking that the voltage spike might two or three thousand volts. The voltage spike occurs when the voltage supply is turned on or off, but no spike when the coil has power or is off, only when change happens is their a voltage spike. A friend of mine, when I was a teenager had a book with an aluminum foil cover. When you opened the book or cclosed the book, you got a little bite. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! John's ideas are interesting, that solenoid coil would have to have a lot of turns on it, I'm not sure dogs responde to even moderate electric shocks as much as humans do, I think they need say 600 volts or so to make them take notice. I like the meat tray and pans idea except it'll wak up everyone in the house too. Maybe just a wireless baby monitor placed near the plate would give you enough sound to start yelling at him. What you don't want is false positives, if the thing goes off when it shouldn't the dog will quickly learn to ignore it because he doesn't know what it means. Tom Fowle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I have three possibilities. 1. If you have a 9 volt water level indicator, use it. Use your plate of food to hold down a sheet of aluminum foil folded so that one side sticks up. Place the water indicator so that the two leads are very close to the foil, but not touching. You will have to try it to see if the buzzing sound is enough to effedt the dog. 2. Using a coil of fine wire, such as a solenoid coil, connected to a 9 volt battery, you can give a dog a very nice shock when he touches something you do not want him to touch. This setup makes a shock only when connection is made and when the connection is broken. It is not dangerious. With the battery clip connected to one lead of the coild, use the other coil lead and the unused battery clip lead to be close to each other but not touching. When the dog makes contact of both leads, he get a shock, but it is only one quick shock with no current. 3. Many years ago, we had a dog that liked to steal from the table. We took a throw away tray that some meat came on from the store. We piled up every pot and pan in the house on it. In the middle of the night we heard a crash. That dog never stole again. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws - Original Message - From: Jewel To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! Tom! I will print these instructions out and carry them with me so I can show them to someone who has the requisite skills to put the gizmo together. - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle fo...@ski.org To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! Hi Jewel, I've noticed recently trained guide dogs I've seen are much more prone to such inappropriate behavior than they used to be. I'll not subject you and the list to my somewhat prejudiced opinions about why GRIN The device is electrically simple, and I bet you can find the parts at a radio shack if you have those available. All you need is a battery, probably 9 volt with connector, a 'normally closed switch of the push button type, and the noise maker. I bet shlock sells a lout alarm type noise maker all in one just what you need, I'll get my wife to look some time in a couple days and see if we can give you a number. Most push button switches have 3 terminals, the swinger and normally closed and normally open contacts. You just wire a loop with the battery, it's negative terminal going to the negative terminal of the alarm, the positive battery terminal goes to the swinger of the switch, and the normally closed contact of the switch goes to the positive terminal of the alarm. that means the thing is not screaming till you release the button. The trick is packaging it the way you like. You could even make a box with a hinged top arranges so that when the top has no weight on it, the switch is not pressed, but when the top is pressed down by more weight it presses the switch nd opens the contact the contact to the alarm. If you can build it your self, you're more likely to get what you want physically than if I for example built you one, but I could do so if nobody closer offers. You don't have to solder wires, small wire nuts' should do the job, just strip wires, twist together and maybe add a bit of tape. Rest is obtaining the box, parts and deciding how to mount stuff. does this help any? tom Fowle Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4656 (20091202) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I Like the third one, that's hilarious. From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Sherrer Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:46 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! I have three possibilities. 1. If you have a 9 volt water level indicator, use it. Use your plate of food to hold down a sheet of aluminum foil folded so that one side sticks up. Place the water indicator so that the two leads are very close to the foil, but not touching. You will have to try it to see if the buzzing sound is enough to effedt the dog. 2. Using a coil of fine wire, such as a solenoid coil, connected to a 9 volt battery, you can give a dog a very nice shock when he touches something you do not want him to touch. This setup makes a shock only when connection is made and when the connection is broken. It is not dangerious. With the battery clip connected to one lead of the coild, use the other coil lead and the unused battery clip lead to be close to each other but not touching. When the dog makes contact of both leads, he get a shock, but it is only one quick shock with no current. 3. Many years ago, we had a dog that liked to steal from the table. We took a throw away tray that some meat came on from the store. We piled up every pot and pan in the house on it. In the middle of the night we heard a crash. That dog never stole again. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws - Original Message - From: Jewel To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! Tom! I will print these instructions out and carry them with me so I can show them to someone who has the requisite skills to put the gizmo together. - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle fo...@ski.org mailto:fowle%40ski.org To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! Hi Jewel, I've noticed recently trained guide dogs I've seen are much more prone to such inappropriate behavior than they used to be. I'll not subject you and the list to my somewhat prejudiced opinions about why GRIN The device is electrically simple, and I bet you can find the parts at a radio shack if you have those available. All you need is a battery, probably 9 volt with connector, a 'normally closed switch of the push button type, and the noise maker. I bet shlock sells a lout alarm type noise maker all in one just what you need, I'll get my wife to look some time in a couple days and see if we can give you a number. Most push button switches have 3 terminals, the swinger and normally closed and normally open contacts. You just wire a loop with the battery, it's negative terminal going to the negative terminal of the alarm, the positive battery terminal goes to the swinger of the switch, and the normally closed contact of the switch goes to the positive terminal of the alarm. that means the thing is not screaming till you release the button. The trick is packaging it the way you like. You could even make a box with a hinged top arranges so that when the top has no weight on it, the switch is not pressed, but when the top is pressed down by more weight it presses the switch nd opens the contact the contact to the alarm. If you can build it your self, you're more likely to get what you want physically than if I for example built you one, but I could do so if nobody closer offers. You don't have to solder wires, small wire nuts' should do the job, just strip wires, twist together and maybe add a bit of tape. Rest is obtaining the box, parts and deciding how to mount stuff. does this help any? tom Fowle Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman-owner%40yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_ pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 PAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message
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John's ideas are interesting, that solenoid coil would have to have a lot of turns on it, I'm not sure dogs responde to even moderate electric shocks as much as humans do, I think they need say 600 volts or so to make them take notice. I like the meat tray and pans idea except it'll wak up everyone in the house too. Maybe just a wireless baby monitor placed near the plate would give you enough sound to start yelling at him. What you don't want is false positives, if the thing goes off when it shouldn't the dog will quickly learn to ignore it because he doesn't know what it means. Tom Fowle
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Jewel, save your printer's ink for the moment! Actually my plan from yesterday is probably too simple, it requires the dog actually lift the plate or whatever which is not likely. My colleague Bill Gerrey says no dog can be trained not to take food. but I've certainly known dogs that didn't. There are mat switches which are a flexible plastic mat you could put under the table cloth which would probably not be closed by the plate but might be closed by the dog's paws on the table. this could set off the alarm. Getting fancier one could make a small say foot square, mini table with foam rubber legs so it would vibrate easilly. This would be equipped with a vibration sensor that would set off the alarm. Even fancier, there are infrared motion detectors and proximity detectors that might do. Bill also suggests putting a contact type guitar pickup, essentially a contact microphone on the table. This could be hooked either just to an amplifier and speaker, or to a wireless baby monitor whose receiver you could take with you to hear the invading beast. Let's throw this idea around a bit, those with more experience of dogs than i have may have better ideas related to training techniques etc. Tom Fowle
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My friend has a couple of these and her dogs are now very well behaved. I'm trying to reach her to find out the brand and where she got them. Betsy At 11:15 AM 12/3/2009, you wrote: I would check with a pet store, not sure if you have a Pet smart, or pet Co, but they have a device that you put in the middle of the table, and set the diameter, lets say 4 foot, and the dog wears a collar and if the dog gets close, it first beeps, if the dog persists, then they get a shock. Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Jewel, Yeah considering the size of some of the guide dogs I've seen recently I'm not surprised about Buddy's reach. One advantage, i think, of the babby monitor idea is that the correction comes from you, the boss lady, where corrections should come from, not from some unknown noise maker. but the system made for pets might be good if it's not too expensive. Tom Fowle
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Tom! I train my own guides and have done so since 1960. My new bloke is a mastiff so that will give you some idea how big he is. I cast my mind back 11 years to when Guido who I retired last weekend was the same age as Buddy is now: 13 and a half months: and I reckon that Buddy is even better. He is going to be, given a bit more experience and age, a fantastic guide. This struggle I am having with his helping himself to things on the kitchen counter or on the table is render that much more of a battle because I am having to prove that I am smarter than he is. I am * almost sure that I am, but he is not going to be defeated without very definite proof of that, and, to date, I have not presented that proof! Jewel - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle fo...@ski.org To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! Jewel, Yeah considering the size of some of the guide dogs I've seen recently I'm not surprised about Buddy's reach. One advantage, i think, of the babby monitor idea is that the correction comes from you, the boss lady, where corrections should come from, not from some unknown noise maker. but the system made for pets might be good if it's not too expensive. Tom Fowle Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
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On the face of it, the shock collar sounds great, but many years ago, I had a dog that I used to use an electronic shock collar on to combat her awful barking while in her run. She would start to bark, but when I went outside to correct her, before I had a chance to open my mouth, she would close her's: the upshot being that if I corrected Tam then, I was, virtually, correcting her for being quiet. I got an electric shock collar and with it came a dummy collar and the instructions were that when the electronic collar was on the charger, the dog should wear the dummy. Now, I don't know how Tam distinguished between the genuine and dummy collars, but believe me, she could. When she had the shock collar on, blessed silence reigned, but when wearing the dummy, the noise recommenced. I finally had her debarked. She could still bark, but now all of those maddening high frequencies had been cancelled out, so life was happier for all of us, Tam, myself and everyone within a radius of half a mile. Jewel Original Message - From: Tom Hodges tomhod...@fuse.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! Now that's the best idea I've heard yet. Bravo. Tom Hodges. Newport, Kentucky From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael baldwin Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:16 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! I would check with a pet store, not sure if you have a Pet smart, or pet Co, but they have a device that you put in the middle of the table, and set the diameter, lets say 4 foot, and the dog wears a collar and if the dog gets close, it first beeps, if the dog persists, then they get a shock. Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
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hi jewel i called the local pet co OK so local is 90 miles away. any way hears what they have innotek zones pet proof barrier $84.99 what it is a collar and a disk about the size of a smoke alarm. the zone as its called can be set from 2 feet to 12 feet. extra zones can be purchased for $54 so if you don't have pet co there you can google the name and see who you can find in your country. Jim in Minnesota [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Jim did you get one for your reindeer? - Original Message - From: jim To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! hi jewel i called the local pet co OK so local is 90 miles away. any way hears what they have innotek zones pet proof barrier $84.99 what it is a collar and a disk about the size of a smoke alarm. the zone as its called can be set from 2 feet to 12 feet. extra zones can be purchased for $54 so if you don't have pet co there you can google the name and see who you can find in your country. Jim in Minnesota [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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no bob we have well behaved reign deer here. if they are not behaved then maybe Santa won't take them along and they all want to go jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Good to hear! How far are ya from the North Pole anyway? Must be an hour at least... - Original Message - From: jim To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! no bob we have well behaved reign deer here. if they are not behaved then maybe Santa won't take them along and they all want to go jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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nah canada is about an hour and a half the north pole is well not know ing the speed limit in canada i figure 3 or 4 hours grin jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Jewel, One of the best guide dogs I've ever seen was trained by his woner, a long time friend now deceased He was part great dane, part german shepherd and weighte in at 120 pounds. I've actually never met a mastiff but I have a picture of huge GRIN I'm sure you'll find your proof of smartness, question is will it be proof enough for Buddy! the combination you need, or so i think from my position of inexperience, of brains and disciplin is a tricky ballance I bet, but I'm sure you'll do it right. tom Fowle
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I understand that a haunch of reindeer makes quite an acceptible alternative to the boring Christmas turkey! Jewel - Original Message - From: jim cheet...@frontiernet.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! no bob we have well behaved reign deer here. if they are not behaved then maybe Santa won't take them along and they all want to go jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
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Jewel, I have a Great Pyrenees and I am wondering about using a dog that size as a guide. One of the reasons we have not tried to have our trained as a service dog for my son is because of the difficulties of traveling with a dog that size. How is that working for you? Though I am not certain size is the only issue with keeping a dog away from the food. My first guide was only 55 pounds and she could steel food from anywhere. People use to swear the dog could levitate. It was embarrassing, but now that she is dead I can appreciate the humor more. *smile* Outside of her food obsession, she was a great guide though I do not think they would pass her now. She was a very hard dog and they are all about the soft gentle corrections now. To bring this back on topic, I am going to get one of the motion detectors for use in my house. I think it could be very handy. Unfortunetly, I think it would be illegal to put one of the shock collar ones on my kids. *smile* Jennifer From: Bob Kennedy To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! That's not a dog it's a small horse... hahaha Love to see you 2 get on a plane. - Original Message - From: Jewel To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! Tom! I train my own guides and have done so since 1960. My new bloke is a mastiff so that will give you some idea how big he is. I cast my mind back 11 years to when Guido who I retired last weekend was the same age as Buddy is now: 13 and a half months: and I reckon that Buddy is even better. He is going to be, given a bit more experience and age, a fantastic guide. This struggle I am having with his helping himself to things on the kitchen counter or on the table is render that much more of a battle because I am having to prove that I am smarter than he is. I am * almost sure that I am, but he is not going to be defeated without very definite proof of that, and, to date, I have not presented that proof! Jewel - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle fo...@ski.org To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! Jewel, Yeah considering the size of some of the guide dogs I've seen recently I'm not surprised about Buddy's reach. One advantage, i think, of the babby monitor idea is that the correction comes from you, the boss lady, where corrections should come from, not from some unknown noise maker. but the system made for pets might be good if it's not too expensive. Tom Fowle Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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i that it does jewel so you have to figure out hmmm do i want a lump of coal in my stocking or a good roast. hmmm oh gee wi the price of heating fule i'll risk the coal grin. jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Holy crap! That is one big dog and guiding you? That size you might as well just ride the bugger. Man I can only imagine the harness that had to be made to fit that monster. No wonder he can reach and gee, I'll be very interested in how you resolved. THis. I guess my techniques would never work for a dog that size. grin On Dec 3, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Jewel wrote: Tom! I train my own guides and have done so since 1960. My new bloke is a mastiff so that will give you some idea how big he is. I cast my mind back 11 years to when Guido who I retired last weekend was the same age as Buddy is now: 13 and a half months: and I reckon that Buddy is even better. He is going to be, given a bit more experience and age, a fantastic guide. This struggle I am having with his helping himself to things on the kitchen counter or on the table is render that much more of a battle because I am having to prove that I am smarter than he is. I am * almost sure that I am, but he is not going to be defeated without very definite proof of that, and, to date, I have not presented that proof! Jewel - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle fo...@ski.org To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! Jewel, Yeah considering the size of some of the guide dogs I've seen recently I'm not surprised about Buddy's reach. One advantage, i think, of the babby monitor idea is that the correction comes from you, the boss lady, where corrections should come from, not from some unknown noise maker. but the system made for pets might be good if it's not too expensive. Tom Fowle Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: blindhandyman-dig...@yahoogroups.com blindhandyman-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: blindhandyman-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I was thinking of a solenoid coil used in washing machine to turn the water on and off. They are cheap. I as also thinking that the voltage spike might two or three thousand volts. The voltage spike occurs when the voltage supply is turned on or off, but no spike when the coil has power or is off, only when change happens is their a voltage spike. A friend of mine, when I was a teenager had a book with an aluminum foil cover. When you opened the book or cclosed the book, you got a little bite. John http://WhiteCane.org http://BlindWoodWorker.com http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane http://anellos.ws - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! John's ideas are interesting, that solenoid coil would have to have a lot of turns on it, I'm not sure dogs responde to even moderate electric shocks as much as humans do, I think they need say 600 volts or so to make them take notice. I like the meat tray and pans idea except it'll wak up everyone in the house too. Maybe just a wireless baby monitor placed near the plate would give you enough sound to start yelling at him. What you don't want is false positives, if the thing goes off when it shouldn't the dog will quickly learn to ignore it because he doesn't know what it means. Tom Fowle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I know that we have some clever geeks on the list, so I wondered if one of those might be willing to design, and build, a little something that I want and will now describe. My new guide dog, Buddy, is proving to be just a tad too smart when it comes to swiping things off the kitchen bench and dining room table. Now, I know that, if I were to put everything away, there would be nothing for him to swipe, but it is * MY bench and * MY dining table, so if I want to leave things on them, like my meal while I go to the front door to speak to someone, I should be able to. I have tried various aversive techniques that have worked for a couple of bays, but then he will give it another try, and when he finds that the road leading to the desired object is clear of rat traps etc etc, he is in like a ferret up a pants' leg. What I visualize is a battery-operated device consisting of a box sort of thing that has, either, a button or lever on the top that will be depressed when I place something on it, and when the something is knocked off and the button/lever released, a loud alarm: one with the decibel strength of, for instance, a smoke alarm: will be triggered. I will then charge in and give the offender a right royal rollicking. If I keep this up for long enough: six months should suffice! Buddy WILL give up his counter surfing habits. ANY TAKERS? Jewel
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Hi Jewel, I've noticed recently trained guide dogs I've seen are much more prone to such inappropriate behavior than they used to be. I'll not subject you and the list to my somewhat prejudiced opinions about why GRIN The device is electrically simple, and I bet you can find the parts at a radio shack if you have those available. All you need is a battery, probably 9 volt with connector, a 'normally closed switch of the push button type, and the noise maker. I bet shlock sells a lout alarm type noise maker all in one just what you need, I'll get my wife to look some time in a couple days and see if we can give you a number. Most push button switches have 3 terminals, the swinger and normally closed and normally open contacts. You just wire a loop with the battery, it's negative terminal going to the negative terminal of the alarm, the positive battery terminal goes to the swinger of the switch, and the normally closed contact of the switch goes to the positive terminal of the alarm. that means the thing is not screaming till you release the button. The trick is packaging it the way you like. You could even make a box with a hinged top arranges so that when the top has no weight on it, the switch is not pressed, but when the top is pressed down by more weight it presses the switch nd opens the contact the contact to the alarm. If you can build it your self, you're more likely to get what you want physically than if I for example built you one, but I could do so if nobody closer offers. You don't have to solder wires, small wire nuts' should do the job, just strip wires, twist together and maybe add a bit of tape. Rest is obtaining the box, parts and deciding how to mount stuff. does this help any? tom Fowle
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Tom! I will print these instructions out and carry them with me so I can show them to someone who has the requisite skills to put the gizmo together. - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle fo...@ski.org To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! Hi Jewel, I've noticed recently trained guide dogs I've seen are much more prone to such inappropriate behavior than they used to be. I'll not subject you and the list to my somewhat prejudiced opinions about why GRIN The device is electrically simple, and I bet you can find the parts at a radio shack if you have those available. All you need is a battery, probably 9 volt with connector, a 'normally closed switch of the push button type, and the noise maker. I bet shlock sells a lout alarm type noise maker all in one just what you need, I'll get my wife to look some time in a couple days and see if we can give you a number. Most push button switches have 3 terminals, the swinger and normally closed and normally open contacts. You just wire a loop with the battery, it's negative terminal going to the negative terminal of the alarm, the positive battery terminal goes to the swinger of the switch, and the normally closed contact of the switch goes to the positive terminal of the alarm. that means the thing is not screaming till you release the button. The trick is packaging it the way you like. You could even make a box with a hinged top arranges so that when the top has no weight on it, the switch is not pressed, but when the top is pressed down by more weight it presses the switch nd opens the contact the contact to the alarm. If you can build it your self, you're more likely to get what you want physically than if I for example built you one, but I could do so if nobody closer offers. You don't have to solder wires, small wire nuts' should do the job, just strip wires, twist together and maybe add a bit of tape. Rest is obtaining the box, parts and deciding how to mount stuff. does this help any? tom Fowle Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4656 (20091202) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
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This should be a fairly easy project. If you want to build it yourself I can tell you how to wire it. - Original Message - From: Jewel To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Inventors ahoy! I know that we have some clever geeks on the list, so I wondered if one of those might be willing to design, and build, a little something that I want and will now describe. My new guide dog, Buddy, is proving to be just a tad too smart when it comes to swiping things off the kitchen bench and dining room table. Now, I know that, if I were to put everything away, there would be nothing for him to swipe, but it is * MY bench and * MY dining table, so if I want to leave things on them, like my meal while I go to the front door to speak to someone, I should be able to. I have tried various aversive techniques that have worked for a couple of bays, but then he will give it another try, and when he finds that the road leading to the desired object is clear of rat traps etc etc, he is in like a ferret up a pants' leg. What I visualize is a battery-operated device consisting of a box sort of thing that has, either, a button or lever on the top that will be depressed when I place something on it, and when the something is knocked off and the button/lever released, a loud alarm: one with the decibel strength of, for instance, a smoke alarm: will be triggered. I will then charge in and give the offender a right royal rollicking. If I keep this up for long enough: six months should suffice! Buddy WILL give up his counter surfing habits. ANY TAKERS? Jewel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Jewel, Make sure what ever alarm you get does not sound too much like you're smoke alarm, you don't want to be yelling at the dog when you should be putting out fires GRIN Let me know if more is required. Just realized one of our engineers will be available tomorrow so we can look up shlock alarm parts. tom
