Re: [BlindHandyMan] ignition key
On my brother's 2006 Volvo simi. The key is like the old ford style, but instead of tumbler cuts its just flat rectangle with embedded chips. Put the key in and it unlocks. in the dash you have to go through a series of buttons to start or the alarm goes off and gps calls the cops. At 01:10 PM 7/10/2009, you wrote: I hate to start an answer with it depends. But it does. Many of the newer cars have a chip in the key that doesn't even require the key to be in the ignition switch. There is a decoder in the switch that can read the chip in the key and decide if you have the right chip. The same thing happens in many of the keyless entry doors. Just wave the keys near the door and they unlock. GM for years used the VATS ignition system. The key had a resister on the metal of the key and the decoder in the switch got a signal from the computer telling it whether the resistance of your key was the same on record in the computer. I spent a good bit of time learning how to defeat that system last summer. But for those that have the key, that's a very vague idea of how it works. I can put everyone to sleep explaining in detail how it works but that's the readers digest version. - Original Message - From: Brice To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:54 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] ignition key Does anyone know how an ignition key can open and lock a car? My wife asked me that yesterday and I had know answer for her other than it may have some kind of battery in it that may get charged as it's in the ignition. Ours even has what they call a panic button. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4231 (20090710) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.comhttp://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Tim trouble Verizon FIOS support tech Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora
[BlindHandyMan] ignition key
Does anyone know how an ignition key can open and lock a car? My wife asked me that yesterday and I had know answer for her other than it may have some kind of battery in it that may get charged as it's in the ignition. Ours even has what they call a panic button. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4231 (20090710) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
Re: [BlindHandyMan] ignition key
There is a battery that allows the key fob, which may be integrated into the key, to unlock the doors etc. There is a chip typically in the key (in the portion that hangs out of the ignition slot) that tells the vehicle basically this key belongs to me and I can start with this key. Otherwise, it would not start or may run for a few seconds and stop. That requires no battery and I suspect it is sort of a proximity thing where the key has to be so close or in the ignition to function. On Jul 10, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Brice wrote: Does anyone know how an ignition key can open and lock a car? My wife asked me that yesterday and I had know answer for her other than it may have some kind of battery in it that may get charged as it's in the ignition. Ours even has what they call a panic button. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4231 (20090710) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] ignition key
I hate to start an answer with it depends. But it does. Many of the newer cars have a chip in the key that doesn't even require the key to be in the ignition switch. There is a decoder in the switch that can read the chip in the key and decide if you have the right chip. The same thing happens in many of the keyless entry doors. Just wave the keys near the door and they unlock. GM for years used the VATS ignition system. The key had a resister on the metal of the key and the decoder in the switch got a signal from the computer telling it whether the resistance of your key was the same on record in the computer. I spent a good bit of time learning how to defeat that system last summer. But for those that have the key, that's a very vague idea of how it works. I can put everyone to sleep explaining in detail how it works but that's the readers digest version. - Original Message - From: Brice To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:54 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] ignition key Does anyone know how an ignition key can open and lock a car? My wife asked me that yesterday and I had know answer for her other than it may have some kind of battery in it that may get charged as it's in the ignition. Ours even has what they call a panic button. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4231 (20090710) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] ignition key
There are a couple of good articles about RFID keys on www.HowStuffWorks.com My friends have a Toyota Prius and you don't even put a key in an ignition. When you walk up to the car, it automatically unlocks the doors, when you walk away, it locks them. (Assuming you have the key fob). When you get in the car, you can put the fob in the dash board to activate things. It's very strange though to not actually turn a key and put the car in gear. The Prius has a shift lever, but it doesn't move into discrete positions, you just flick it one way and the car is in forward, or another way and the car is in reverse, but the joy stick always returns to center. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
Re: [BlindHandyMan] ignition key
The type I was referring to has two button on the key itself. One to unlock the doors, and another that causes the horn to beep as the doors lock. Also, one of the buttons will beep on and off to locate your car if you can't remember where your parked, or in case your being attack in a parking lot. Also called a panic button. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4232 (20090710) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
Re: [BlindHandyMan] ignition key
So is that a wireless thing, or is there actually a circuit and contacts that are inserted into the slot? On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Scott Howell wrote: There is a battery that allows the key fob, which may be integrated into the key, to unlock the doors etc. There is a chip typically in the key (in the portion that hangs out of the ignition slot) that tells the vehicle basically this key belongs to me and I can start with this key. Otherwise, it would not start or may run for a few seconds and stop. That requires no battery and I suspect it is sort of a proximity thing where the key has to be so close or in the ignition to function. On Jul 10, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Brice wrote: Does anyone know how an ignition key can open and lock a car? My wife asked me that yesterday and I had know answer for her other than it may have some kind of battery in it that may get charged as it's in the ignition. Ours even has what they call a panic button. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4231 (20090710) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] ignition key
THink someone answered this for you, but like he said, it depends. My father had a Chevy truck made in 1997 that had a separate chip that you put into a slot under the dash and you had to insert this before it would start. However, I think you got more answers from folks that know more than I do. grin On Jul 10, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Spiro wrote: So is that a wireless thing, or is there actually a circuit and contacts that are inserted into the slot? On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Scott Howell wrote: There is a battery that allows the key fob, which may be integrated into the key, to unlock the doors etc. There is a chip typically in the key (in the portion that hangs out of the ignition slot) that tells the vehicle basically this key belongs to me and I can start with this key. Otherwise, it would not start or may run for a few seconds and stop. That requires no battery and I suspect it is sort of a proximity thing where the key has to be so close or in the ignition to function. On Jul 10, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Brice wrote: Does anyone know how an ignition key can open and lock a car? My wife asked me that yesterday and I had know answer for her other than it may have some kind of battery in it that may get charged as it's in the ignition. Ours even has what they call a panic button. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4231 (20090710) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Ignition key cillender installed
Believe it or not none. Just a small dent in my wallet. But I do have a couple of new tools in my arsenal. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:16 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Ignition key cillender installed Yah, no shit... Nicely done Robert... How many new frustration dents are there in the car? -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Roger Bachelder Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 4:16 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Ignition key cillender installed Hi Robert, Congratulations on installing the ignition key cylinder . I had no idea how to do this replacement. I found this thread very interesting. Roger C Bachelder 3rd [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:Bachelder3%40verizon.net _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of robert moore Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:30 PM To: Blind Handyman Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Ignition key cillender installed I got the ignition key cylinder installed and I only had to buy $40 worth of tools. Every thing is back together and working properly, only one problem. Just behind the steering wheel is a plastic cover and under that cover, when I took it off, there was a piece of plastic that looks kind of like a corner piece with a piece about 2 inches long and about a quarter to half inch wide sticking out one side. I don't know what it was supposed to do and I can't for the life of me find anywhere that it will fit. I know it belongs under the plastic cover because when I took off the cover it fell on the floor. Well I guess I will have to find some one with a book and see if it shows a picture. Some times on those types of things I think they may not always show every thing in the book. Now I just have to get the tires changed, remedy the power steering leak and the coolant leek and put the tabs on the car and have my wife drive it until I find more crap wrong with it. OH I guess while I am at it I might as well just go ahead and change the oil and pick up an air cleaner Robert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the Blind Computing list, then visit the following address for more information: http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/blind-computing_jaws- http://jaws-users.com/mailman/listinfo/blind-computing_jaws- users.com For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:blindhandyman-help%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 129974006) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=129974006m=fcf1 https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=129974006m=fcf1 6aafa201c=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=129974006m=fcf1 https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=129974006m=fcf1 6aafa201c=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=129974006m=fcf1 https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=129974006m=fcf1 6aafa201c=f -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
