Re: [BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story
oh what a hoot! On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, Lenny McHugh wrote: > I have a friend that owns a tool rental shop. He has a power drainer that he > will only rent the root cutting one to a licensed plumber. One guy came in > and insisted upon renting that unit. He told Frank that he worked with a > plumber for ten years and has used the machine in the past. Frank made him > sign a paper stating that the shop is not responsable for any damage caused > by the machine. The unit came with 25 feet of cable. Shortly after the guy > came back for more cable for the machine. He was given another 50 feet. > about an hour later he came back for more cable. After he had about 200 feet > he brought the machine back. He told Frank that when he was out about 180 > feet the neighbor called him asking what is that thing flying around in my > yard. > He actually cut through his drain line about 3 feet from where he fed in > the cleaner. Frank drove past the guy's home the next day and there was a > back hoe in the front yard. > He will never again rent that machine to anyone but a licensed plumbing > contractor that shows proof of insurance. > --- > Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous > with many resources for the blind. > http://www.lennymchugh.com > Lenny > Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when > addressing. > Help stop identity theft. > > > > > > Send any questions regarding list management to: > blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com > To listen to the show archives go to link > http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 > Or > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various > List Members At The Following address: > http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ > > Visit the archives page at the following address > http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ > > If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following > address for more information: > http://www.jaws-users.com/ > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list > just send a blank message to: > blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links > > > >
Re: [BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story
The last time we had to call a plumber was when our kitchen sink was plugged up. He snaked out the line and installed a Y connector just past the trap. He explained that the next time I could take the plug out of the end of the Y connector and run the snake down it bypassing the trap. He said I could also run water down the drain while snaking. I did it last month and it worked exactly the way he said it would. As soon as the end of the snake cleared the clog the water drained away. The snake I have is very simple. One end chucks up in the drill and the other end has that spring on the end. No gears. The middle part is covered with some kind of rubbery plastic. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: "Blaine Deutscher" To: Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story > so what does this snake do? Just eat through the junk that is in the > draine > clogging it. I'm just picturing this thing destroying a bathroom, how? if > anything touched me as I was sitting there I would scream and run out of > the > bathroom with clothes down. no matter if anyone saw me. thanks for the > imidge. never going to sit on public toylets the same. *shivers* > > Blaine > - Original Message - > From: "Dale Leavens" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story > > > Something like 25 years ago I was remodeling a building for a clinic. Some > of this involved rearranging washrooms and of course old drains which were > not draining. Some "highly respected" expert was brought in with his > rotorouter and all stood around in fascination as he snaked down the old > toilet hole describing as he went how he could feel the snake turn left > out > of the building then left again toward the street then meeting some > resistance .. . . > > About three or four minutes into the process there was a shattering sound > behind the wall and a thrashing. Turns out there was a toilet on the other > side of the partition feeding into the same common drain. His snake went > down one hole and right back up the other largely destroying the washroom > in > the facility at the rear of the building. thankfully the unit was nothing > more than a store house for a contractor in the next building and no one > was > sitting on the throne at the time. > > My skepticism at the time about the intelligence of the operating fingers > and their sensitive touch has not improved with that experience or the > passage of time since. > > If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie > > - Original Message - > From: "Lenny McHugh" > To: "handyman-blind" > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:32 AM > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story > > >>I have a friend that owns a tool rental shop. He has a power drainer that >>he >> will only rent the root cutting one to a licensed plumber. One guy came >> in >> and insisted upon renting that unit. He told Frank that he worked with a >> plumber for ten years and has used the machine in the past. Frank made >> him >> sign a paper stating that the shop is not responsable for any damage >> caused >> by the machine. The unit came with 25 feet of cable. Shortly after the >> guy >> came back for more cable for the machine. He was given another 50 feet. >> about an hour later he came back for more cable. After he had about 200 >> feet >> he brought the machine back. He told Frank that when he was out about 180 >> feet the neighbor called him asking what is that thing flying around in >> my >> yard. >> He actually cut through his drain line about 3 feet from where he fed in >> the cleaner. Frank drove past the guy's home the next day and there was a >> back hoe in the front yard. >> He will never again rent that machine to anyone but a licensed plumbing >> contractor that shows proof of insurance. >> --- >> Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous >> with many resources for the blind. >> http://www.lennymchugh.com >> Lenny >> Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when >> addressing. >> Help stop identity theft. >> >
Re: [BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story
so what does this snake do? Just eat through the junk that is in the draine clogging it. I'm just picturing this thing destroying a bathroom, how? if anything touched me as I was sitting there I would scream and run out of the bathroom with clothes down. no matter if anyone saw me. thanks for the imidge. never going to sit on public toylets the same. *shivers* Blaine - Original Message - From: "Dale Leavens" To: Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story Something like 25 years ago I was remodeling a building for a clinic. Some of this involved rearranging washrooms and of course old drains which were not draining. Some "highly respected" expert was brought in with his rotorouter and all stood around in fascination as he snaked down the old toilet hole describing as he went how he could feel the snake turn left out of the building then left again toward the street then meeting some resistance .. . . About three or four minutes into the process there was a shattering sound behind the wall and a thrashing. Turns out there was a toilet on the other side of the partition feeding into the same common drain. His snake went down one hole and right back up the other largely destroying the washroom in the facility at the rear of the building. thankfully the unit was nothing more than a store house for a contractor in the next building and no one was sitting on the throne at the time. My skepticism at the time about the intelligence of the operating fingers and their sensitive touch has not improved with that experience or the passage of time since. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: "Lenny McHugh" To: "handyman-blind" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:32 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story >I have a friend that owns a tool rental shop. He has a power drainer that >he > will only rent the root cutting one to a licensed plumber. One guy came in > and insisted upon renting that unit. He told Frank that he worked with a > plumber for ten years and has used the machine in the past. Frank made him > sign a paper stating that the shop is not responsable for any damage > caused > by the machine. The unit came with 25 feet of cable. Shortly after the > guy > came back for more cable for the machine. He was given another 50 feet. > about an hour later he came back for more cable. After he had about 200 > feet > he brought the machine back. He told Frank that when he was out about 180 > feet the neighbor called him asking what is that thing flying around in my > yard. > He actually cut through his drain line about 3 feet from where he fed in > the cleaner. Frank drove past the guy's home the next day and there was a > back hoe in the front yard. > He will never again rent that machine to anyone but a licensed plumbing > contractor that shows proof of insurance. > --- > Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous > with many resources for the blind. > http://www.lennymchugh.com > Lenny > Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when > addressing. > Help stop identity theft. > > > > > > Send any questions regarding list management to: > blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com > To listen to the show archives go to link > http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 > Or > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various > List Members At The Following address: > http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ > > Visit the archives page at the following address > http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ > > If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following > address for more information: > http://www.jaws-users.com/ > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man > list just send a blank message to: > blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links > > > > Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man
RE: [BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story
Having been in the tool rental/leasing business for 15 or so years, I can sympathise with old Frank. Sadly, there's a huge body of case law out there where rental houses have been held accountable under product liability statutes etc. even when they've done all they possibly can do to educate their customers. For a mon and popp rental outfit, the cost of product liability insurance is staggering. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 05:32 To: handyman-blind Subject: [BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story I have a friend that owns a tool rental shop. He has a power drainer that he will only rent the root cutting one to a licensed plumber. One guy came in and insisted upon renting that unit. He told Frank that he worked with a plumber for ten years and has used the machine in the past. Frank made him sign a paper stating that the shop is not responsable for any damage caused by the machine. The unit came with 25 feet of cable. Shortly after the guy came back for more cable for the machine. He was given another 50 feet. about an hour later he came back for more cable. After he had about 200 feet he brought the machine back. He told Frank that when he was out about 180 feet the neighbor called him asking what is that thing flying around in my yard. He actually cut through his drain line about 3 feet from where he fed in the cleaner. Frank drove past the guy's home the next day and there was a back hoe in the front yard. He will never again rent that machine to anyone but a licensed plumbing contractor that shows proof of insurance. --- Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous with many resources for the blind. http://www.lennymchugh.com Lenny Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when addressing. Help stop identity theft. Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_p age&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links
Re: [BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story
Something like 25 years ago I was remodeling a building for a clinic. Some of this involved rearranging washrooms and of course old drains which were not draining. Some "highly respected" expert was brought in with his rotorouter and all stood around in fascination as he snaked down the old toilet hole describing as he went how he could feel the snake turn left out of the building then left again toward the street then meeting some resistance .. . . About three or four minutes into the process there was a shattering sound behind the wall and a thrashing. Turns out there was a toilet on the other side of the partition feeding into the same common drain. His snake went down one hole and right back up the other largely destroying the washroom in the facility at the rear of the building. thankfully the unit was nothing more than a store house for a contractor in the next building and no one was sitting on the throne at the time. My skepticism at the time about the intelligence of the operating fingers and their sensitive touch has not improved with that experience or the passage of time since. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: "Lenny McHugh" To: "handyman-blind" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:32 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story >I have a friend that owns a tool rental shop. He has a power drainer that >he > will only rent the root cutting one to a licensed plumber. One guy came in > and insisted upon renting that unit. He told Frank that he worked with a > plumber for ten years and has used the machine in the past. Frank made him > sign a paper stating that the shop is not responsable for any damage > caused > by the machine. The unit came with 25 feet of cable. Shortly after the > guy > came back for more cable for the machine. He was given another 50 feet. > about an hour later he came back for more cable. After he had about 200 > feet > he brought the machine back. He told Frank that when he was out about 180 > feet the neighbor called him asking what is that thing flying around in my > yard. > He actually cut through his drain line about 3 feet from where he fed in > the cleaner. Frank drove past the guy's home the next day and there was a > back hoe in the front yard. > He will never again rent that machine to anyone but a licensed plumbing > contractor that shows proof of insurance. > --- > Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous > with many resources for the blind. > http://www.lennymchugh.com > Lenny > Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when > addressing. > Help stop identity theft. > > > > > > Send any questions regarding list management to: > blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com > To listen to the show archives go to link > http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 > Or > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various > List Members At The Following address: > http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ > > Visit the archives page at the following address > http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ > > If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following > address for more information: > http://www.jaws-users.com/ > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man > list just send a blank message to: > blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links > > > > Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comy
Re: [BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story
You can save yourself a fortune if you dig and run your own line. But you'll lose more than you save if you try tapping into the main line. They are pretty serious about their fines if you do your own tapping. I've done a lot of things that might require permission from one city or another. But I've never tapped the main sewer line. I won't even end that with a yet. It's not that I'm afraid to try, I know the cost of the fines in many places. Figure if you have to be bonded before you can receive a permit, you're already on the record for a bunch. - Original Message - From: Lee A. Stone To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story to my knowledge Lenny there is no longer any tool rental places in our county. there is one plumbing firm who has the contract for the roto rooter with those cutting blades and there is a woman who has the Lady rooter. she has a high pressured water blasting system. I thought we were in good shape with our otside plumbing. sewer line as it is a straight shot to the street with cast iron installed in 1978 but I am told by plumbers that this clay soil we have will crush and move cast iron . it is exactly 43 feet from inside my basement wall to the main town sewer line as we marked if off on our one inch wide flat snake. . I also found out we can dig and install our new sewer line up to the edge of the blacktop and then the town says we need a professional plumber to rip up the edge of the street and do a connection to the town linebut that sewer line job is still on the" to-do " list. Lee On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 06:32:08AM -0500, Lenny McHugh wrote: > I have a friend that owns a tool rental shop. He has a power drainer that he > will only rent the root cutting one to a licensed plumber. One guy came in > and insisted upon renting that unit. He told Frank that he worked with a > plumber for ten years and has used the machine in the past. Frank made him > sign a paper stating that the shop is not responsable for any damage caused > by the machine. The unit came with 25 feet of cable. Shortly after the guy > came back for more cable for the machine. He was given another 50 feet. > about an hour later he came back for more cable. After he had about 200 feet > he brought the machine back. He told Frank that when he was out about 180 > feet the neighbor called him asking what is that thing flying around in my > yard. > He actually cut through his drain line about 3 feet from where he fed in > the cleaner. Frank drove past the guy's home the next day and there was a > back hoe in the front yard. > He will never again rent that machine to anyone but a licensed plumbing > contractor that shows proof of insurance. > --- > Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous > with many resources for the blind. > http://www.lennymchugh.com > Lenny > Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when > addressing. > Help stop identity theft. > > > > > > Send any questions regarding list management to: > blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com > To listen to the show archives go to link > http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 > Or > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: > http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ > > Visit the archives page at the following address > http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ > > If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: > http://www.jaws-users.com/ > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: > blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links > > > -- You worry too much about your job. Stop it. You are not paid enough to worry. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story
to my knowledge Lenny there is no longer any tool rental places in our county. there is one plumbing firm who has the contract for the roto rooter with those cutting blades and there is a woman who has the Lady rooter. she has a high pressured water blasting system. I thought we were in good shape with our otside plumbing. sewer line as it is a straight shot to the street with cast iron installed in 1978 but I am told by plumbers that this clay soil we have will crush and move cast iron . it is exactly 43 feet from inside my basement wall to the main town sewer line as we marked if off on our one inch wide flat snake. . I also found out we can dig and install our new sewer line up to the edge of the blacktop and then the town says we need a professional plumber to rip up the edge of the street and do a connection to the town linebut that sewer line job is still on the" to-do " list. Lee On Sun, Jan 03, 2010 at 06:32:08AM -0500, Lenny McHugh wrote: > I have a friend that owns a tool rental shop. He has a power drainer that he > will only rent the root cutting one to a licensed plumber. One guy came in > and insisted upon renting that unit. He told Frank that he worked with a > plumber for ten years and has used the machine in the past. Frank made him > sign a paper stating that the shop is not responsable for any damage caused > by the machine. The unit came with 25 feet of cable. Shortly after the guy > came back for more cable for the machine. He was given another 50 feet. > about an hour later he came back for more cable. After he had about 200 feet > he brought the machine back. He told Frank that when he was out about 180 > feet the neighbor called him asking what is that thing flying around in my > yard. > He actually cut through his drain line about 3 feet from where he fed in > the cleaner. Frank drove past the guy's home the next day and there was a > back hoe in the front yard. > He will never again rent that machine to anyone but a licensed plumbing > contractor that shows proof of insurance. > --- > Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous > with many resources for the blind. > http://www.lennymchugh.com > Lenny > Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when > addressing. > Help stop identity theft. > > > > > > Send any questions regarding list management to: > blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com > To listen to the show archives go to link > http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 > Or > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various > List Members At The Following address: > http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ > > Visit the archives page at the following address > http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ > > If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following > address for more information: > http://www.jaws-users.com/ > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list > just send a blank message to: > blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links > > > -- You worry too much about your job. Stop it. You are not paid enough to worry. .
[BlindHandyMan] power drain cleaning story
I have a friend that owns a tool rental shop. He has a power drainer that he will only rent the root cutting one to a licensed plumber. One guy came in and insisted upon renting that unit. He told Frank that he worked with a plumber for ten years and has used the machine in the past. Frank made him sign a paper stating that the shop is not responsable for any damage caused by the machine. The unit came with 25 feet of cable. Shortly after the guy came back for more cable for the machine. He was given another 50 feet. about an hour later he came back for more cable. After he had about 200 feet he brought the machine back. He told Frank that when he was out about 180 feet the neighbor called him asking what is that thing flying around in my yard. He actually cut through his drain line about 3 feet from where he fed in the cleaner. Frank drove past the guy's home the next day and there was a back hoe in the front yard. He will never again rent that machine to anyone but a licensed plumbing contractor that shows proof of insurance. --- Please visit my home page; it is motivational, inspirational and humorous with many resources for the blind. http://www.lennymchugh.com Lenny Please Copy and Paste into New Message to pass along. Use BCC line when addressing. Help stop identity theft. Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: blindhandyman-dig...@yahoogroups.com blindhandyman-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: blindhandyman-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/