Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves
Thanks for the info, this will be helpful once I get to that point. The hole is kind of ugly just do to its size so my wife really wanted it to be smaller and look more like an access pannel and not an escape hatch. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves
SOmeone was kind enough to share that info. I think some practice and patients, I could figure it out and keep from burning my fingers off in the process. Its tough to play bass with fried fingers. grin. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves
ChiliBob, You said that you ran a line from the hot water tank back to the manifold. So does that mean the manifold has a hot side and a cold side? It would seem somewhat silly to be dumping your hot water back through the incoming cold water. Just curious as this is all very interesting to me as I am thinking about doing a major rework of my hot water heating system. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves
Thanks Dale. My current furnace has the aquastat at about 160 degrees F. If I get a new system, not sure of what the water temps will be like, but I have tended to run them at lower temps rather than have the issue of short cycling the furnace. although, you can certainly run them too low. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves
Dan, PEX is only rated for temperatures up to 180 degrees, just in case that matters. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves ChiliBob, You said that you ran a line from the hot water tank back to the manifold. So does that mean the manifold has a hot side and a cold side? It would seem somewhat silly to be dumping your hot water back through the incoming cold water. Just curious as this is all very interesting to me as I am thinking about doing a major rework of my hot water heating system. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (412) 268-9081 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves
Well they do use PEX systems for under the floor radiant heat inside the joist bays. That could resolve your radiator problem as well not to mention cozy toes at breakfast. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves Thanks Dale. My current furnace has the aquastat at about 160 degrees F. If I get a new system, not sure of what the water temps will be like, but I have tended to run them at lower temps rather than have the issue of short cycling the furnace. although, you can certainly run them too low. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (412) 268-9081 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves
Ah, yes manifold, I couldn't think of the proper name. Well I guess the question I have for you is how you sweated the valve. Not having sight, I wouldn't say I wouldn't try, but I'd sure want to know how it could be done so I wouldn't wind up with a leak on my hands. grin Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 16, 2007, at 8:29 PM, Dale Leavens wrote: Well, the first thing you will need to do if changing the main shut- off valve is to have the water turned off at the street. After that code takes over but I had one fail several years ago, actually what happened was the Plummer over tightened the waste cap so when I released it to drain water from my system it flew off and another could not be installed because it was the male thread which was gone which left me with nothing to do but turn off the main. I was able to isolate some of the house and feed water through the outside taps and hoses to my neighbour's house. Of course it happened on a Saturday night because that was when I was doing the work. The town sent a fellow around in the morning to locate the cock at the back lane which he managed to break but fortunately in the off position. I had then to wait until Monday to get a back hoe to excavate to the water main and instal another valve out there in the lane. In the meantime the fellow who owns our local hardware store opened it Sunday morning and got me a new shut- off valve which I sweated in to replace the old. I only wish too that it had been a ball valve, I don't know if that is code though. Our water here isn't metered yet although there is some talk of it recently. What you do after the meter though is probably your business. I believe that any fittings underground though must be flare fittings and it is a flare fitting here just before the first indoor shut-off. I know because i removed it to sweat it off of the damaged valve and back on the new valve. I couldn't just cut it off because I didn't have the tools to create a new flare and at that point didn't fancy buying them because I wasn't sure the municipality would pick up the cost of replacing the one in the ground and this money saving plumbing job was suddenly looking at getting very expensive. That box arrangement you were speaking of is called a manifold. Because of the cost and relative ease of running individual PEX to each location and with fewer joints and often longer sweeps of curves it is practical to use slightly smaller pipe directly to each fixture. One advantage is that it is easier to isolate any individual fixture. With smaller hot water tubes there is less standing hot water in the pipe so the water runs hot sooner and less heat is lost standing in the pipe. Another technique is to run branch manifolds where maybe you run a line to a bathroom then break it out into multiple branches to service the fixtures there, another to the laundry and so on.Of course the standard trunk method is also still used. I did find a wonderful site with little video clips and text transcriptions of the audio of those clips last night which I had intended to bookmark and send along but inadvertently lost it while distracted to something else. If I find it again I will do better. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves Folks, here's another issue I need to deal with. We have this 2 by 4 foot hole in the wall where one accesses the water meter and shutoff valves. Here's the deal, I want to shrink the hole a good bit and this would also please my wife. So what I want to do is remove the two old gate valves which aren't really leaking, but if you turn them off, they tend to drip and well they are getting a lot of settament built up on them. I figure they are gonna faile and yes they do, I had this happen in my previous home. Well the idea is to replace these with ball-valves which are nearly fail proof. So, since I don't swet pipes and not sure if I could do it or explain to my wife how to do it, I was wondering if first would it be code (I live in Maryland) or could it be up to code to use compression fittings and secondly would it be a wise idea to begin with. My other thought is while I'm thinking about all this, I may look to a pipe replacement project at some point, either a little at a time or might go all out. I'm considering PEX or some similar material and so would need to mate this with coper since I'm working from the main line into the house and the meter has a valve on either side and of course its all coper. Any thought appreciated
Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves
Thank you sir for that information. I'll have to start digging into this and see what it would take to get this project underway. Well I'm sure my wife will have other projects ahead, but being as this house is over 20 years old, I often wonder when she'll start developing leaks in the coper pipe. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves
Sorry, its a drywall hole with a pannel covering it. Yes, the meter etc. is on an exterior wall and its got some insulation backing it up. The meter is now one that is read via radio, but it still has an analog meter. Oddly enough, I had to loosen the meter setup and flip it over so when I go to close the wall, I can then put a pannel back over the hole. The town hired a contractor to install the meters and he didn't pay attention to how much would hang out and prevent me from putting a cover on it. I made them come out and correct the problem, but they couldn't So, the town sent the engineer and he wouldn't do much since he really couldn't cut pipe straps etc. So, after he told me off the record I could do this and adjust things and restrap, I did and problem solved. So, the end result is to reduce the hole so you can easily reach the valves, but not have this big hole, just a small access pannel deal. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves
Do you know anything about working with drywall and plaster? Basically the best way to shrink that hole is to remove any framework around the edge of the hole, I think I would then create the framework I want for the new access hole first to be sure it is of the correct size then just add in wall framing to support that frame. For your purposes probably two lengths of 2 by 4, one up each side of the new panel frame joined by lengths across top and bottom of the panel frame. If there is more than 16 inches space between this structure and the existing wall framing you might want another vertical. You might then scab a length of strapping to bring out the edge of the existing framing member to give you something to attach the drywall patch to at the edges and depending on what is at the bottom edge of the existing drywall, slide a length of strapping half way behind it and fix with screws through the drywall. Now you have something to fix a patch to all around the outer edge. Cut and fit a patch of drywall to fill the hole, you might want to cut out the new panel opening but you could do that with a drywall saw after the patch is installed or even with one of those new spin saw router sort of tools. Screw the patch into place and get busy with tape and mud and mud and mud and sanding and dust and paint and trim out the hole and you are done. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves Sorry, its a drywall hole with a pannel covering it. Yes, the meter etc. is on an exterior wall and its got some insulation backing it up. The meter is now one that is read via radio, but it still has an analog meter. Oddly enough, I had to loosen the meter setup and flip it over so when I go to close the wall, I can then put a pannel back over the hole. The town hired a contractor to install the meters and he didn't pay attention to how much would hang out and prevent me from putting a cover on it. I made them come out and correct the problem, but they couldn't So, the town sent the engineer and he wouldn't do much since he really couldn't cut pipe straps etc. So, after he told me off the record I could do this and adjust things and restrap, I did and problem solved. So, the end result is to reduce the hole so you can easily reach the valves, but not have this big hole, just a small access pannel deal. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves
Hi Scott, I think there is an article up on the site I wrote on how I sweat copper pipe. It takes some patience and isn't without some risk of burns but if you have reasonable ears to hear the flame and a light touch with the solder it can be done. If there isn't such an article I can probably write another one but it takes some time and I doubt I will be able to do so in the next couple of weeks. I do remember writing a rather lengthy description for this list many years ago and a couple of others for a lady who was the teaching assistant for a young lad in an school a couple of years ago, perhaps someone can let us know if there is such an article up there. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves Ah, yes manifold, I couldn't think of the proper name. Well I guess the question I have for you is how you sweated the valve. Not having sight, I wouldn't say I wouldn't try, but I'd sure want to know how it could be done so I wouldn't wind up with a leak on my hands. grin Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 16, 2007, at 8:29 PM, Dale Leavens wrote: Well, the first thing you will need to do if changing the main shut- off valve is to have the water turned off at the street. After that code takes over but I had one fail several years ago, actually what happened was the Plummer over tightened the waste cap so when I released it to drain water from my system it flew off and another could not be installed because it was the male thread which was gone which left me with nothing to do but turn off the main. I was able to isolate some of the house and feed water through the outside taps and hoses to my neighbour's house. Of course it happened on a Saturday night because that was when I was doing the work. The town sent a fellow around in the morning to locate the cock at the back lane which he managed to break but fortunately in the off position. I had then to wait until Monday to get a back hoe to excavate to the water main and instal another valve out there in the lane. In the meantime the fellow who owns our local hardware store opened it Sunday morning and got me a new shut- off valve which I sweated in to replace the old. I only wish too that it had been a ball valve, I don't know if that is code though. Our water here isn't metered yet although there is some talk of it recently. What you do after the meter though is probably your business. I believe that any fittings underground though must be flare fittings and it is a flare fitting here just before the first indoor shut-off. I know because i removed it to sweat it off of the damaged valve and back on the new valve. I couldn't just cut it off because I didn't have the tools to create a new flare and at that point didn't fancy buying them because I wasn't sure the municipality would pick up the cost of replacing the one in the ground and this money saving plumbing job was suddenly looking at getting very expensive. That box arrangement you were speaking of is called a manifold. Because of the cost and relative ease of running individual PEX to each location and with fewer joints and often longer sweeps of curves it is practical to use slightly smaller pipe directly to each fixture. One advantage is that it is easier to isolate any individual fixture. With smaller hot water tubes there is less standing hot water in the pipe so the water runs hot sooner and less heat is lost standing in the pipe. Another technique is to run branch manifolds where maybe you run a line to a bathroom then break it out into multiple branches to service the fixtures there, another to the laundry and so on.Of course the standard trunk method is also still used. I did find a wonderful site with little video clips and text transcriptions of the audio of those clips last night which I had intended to bookmark and send along but inadvertently lost it while distracted to something else. If I find it again I will do better. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves Folks, here's another issue I need to deal with. We have this 2 by 4 foot hole in the wall where one accesses the water meter and shutoff valves. Here's the deal, I want to shrink the hole a good bit and this would also please my wife. So what I want to do is remove the two old gate valves which aren't really leaking
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Hi Dan. Yes, there is a hot and cold division for the manifold. There are times when mixers are needed to limit temp for the disabled and elderly. A mixer can be put right on the block bascially. I am finding it quite blind friendly. I wiggle the pipe gently to locate center for the fitting and turn the compression ring down. I got my water softener hooked up and running today. Tomorrow I'll be running pex for the hot water till I get tired of work and save the remainder for Thursday. .bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves
Folks, here's another issue I need to deal with. We have this 2 by 4 foot hole in the wall where one accesses the water meter and shutoff valves. Here's the deal, I want to shrink the hole a good bit and this would also please my wife. So what I want to do is remove the two old gate valves which aren't really leaking, but if you turn them off, they tend to drip and well they are getting a lot of settament built up on them. I figure they are gonna faile and yes they do, I had this happen in my previous home. Well the idea is to replace these with ball-valves which are nearly fail proof. So, since I don't swet pipes and not sure if I could do it or explain to my wife how to do it, I was wondering if first would it be code (I live in Maryland) or could it be up to code to use compression fittings and secondly would it be a wise idea to begin with. My other thought is while I'm thinking about all this, I may look to a pipe replacement project at some point, either a little at a time or might go all out. I'm considering PEX or some similar material and so would need to mate this with coper since I'm working from the main line into the house and the meter has a valve on either side and of course its all coper. Any thought appreciated. tnx Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves
Well, the first thing you will need to do if changing the main shut-off valve is to have the water turned off at the street. After that code takes over but I had one fail several years ago, actually what happened was the Plummer over tightened the waste cap so when I released it to drain water from my system it flew off and another could not be installed because it was the male thread which was gone which left me with nothing to do but turn off the main. I was able to isolate some of the house and feed water through the outside taps and hoses to my neighbour's house. Of course it happened on a Saturday night because that was when I was doing the work. The town sent a fellow around in the morning to locate the cock at the back lane which he managed to break but fortunately in the off position. I had then to wait until Monday to get a back hoe to excavate to the water main and instal another valve out there in the lane. In the meantime the fellow who owns our local hardware store opened it Sunday morning and got me a new shut-off valve which I sweated in to replace the old. I only wish too that it had been a ball valve, I don't know if that is code though. Our water here isn't metered yet although there is some talk of it recently. What you do after the meter though is probably your business. I believe that any fittings underground though must be flare fittings and it is a flare fitting here just before the first indoor shut-off. I know because i removed it to sweat it off of the damaged valve and back on the new valve. I couldn't just cut it off because I didn't have the tools to create a new flare and at that point didn't fancy buying them because I wasn't sure the municipality would pick up the cost of replacing the one in the ground and this money saving plumbing job was suddenly looking at getting very expensive. That box arrangement you were speaking of is called a manifold. Because of the cost and relative ease of running individual PEX to each location and with fewer joints and often longer sweeps of curves it is practical to use slightly smaller pipe directly to each fixture. One advantage is that it is easier to isolate any individual fixture. With smaller hot water tubes there is less standing hot water in the pipe so the water runs hot sooner and less heat is lost standing in the pipe. Another technique is to run branch manifolds where maybe you run a line to a bathroom then break it out into multiple branches to service the fixtures there, another to the laundry and so on.Of course the standard trunk method is also still used. I did find a wonderful site with little video clips and text transcriptions of the audio of those clips last night which I had intended to bookmark and send along but inadvertently lost it while distracted to something else. If I find it again I will do better. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves Folks, here's another issue I need to deal with. We have this 2 by 4 foot hole in the wall where one accesses the water meter and shutoff valves. Here's the deal, I want to shrink the hole a good bit and this would also please my wife. So what I want to do is remove the two old gate valves which aren't really leaking, but if you turn them off, they tend to drip and well they are getting a lot of settament built up on them. I figure they are gonna faile and yes they do, I had this happen in my previous home. Well the idea is to replace these with ball-valves which are nearly fail proof. So, since I don't swet pipes and not sure if I could do it or explain to my wife how to do it, I was wondering if first would it be code (I live in Maryland) or could it be up to code to use compression fittings and secondly would it be a wise idea to begin with. My other thought is while I'm thinking about all this, I may look to a pipe replacement project at some point, either a little at a time or might go all out. I'm considering PEX or some similar material and so would need to mate this with coper since I'm working from the main line into the house and the meter has a valve on either side and of course its all coper. Any thought appreciated. tnx Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following
Re: [BlindHandyMan] replacing water supply valves
Hello Scott. I'll try to answer some of your questions. The new water meters come with compression fittings. Like in your parents house, they have a manifold to distribute the water. Copper can be connected right to it using the double seal compression fitting. I got my line in from my main to the water softener with a ball valve, but not connected today. I got the line from the softener (with ball valve)back to the main and connected to the manifold using a pliers and wrench, one each. I got the bypass valve in so water is available with the softener still not connected. I ran my cold line from the manifold to my hot water heater and installed an expansion tank between the two. That is now operating. Tomorrow I'll run the hot back to the manifold and start running the pex. A bag of fittings came with the manifold to make the connections. I ran one pex today from a tee before the line to the softener. My handy sink in the basement and outdoor spigots will all use untreated water. Around here pex meets all standards that copper does. The only tools needed to run pex are the crimp tool. I would suggest a plastic pipe cutter, the cuts are always nice unlike when using a knife. I have no worries about cutting myself using the pipe cutter. The pipe here comes in three colors, red for hot, blue for cold and white for whatever. The pipe is all the same except for the color. I am using them so anyone will be able to tell the hot from the cold. Maybe I'll use white for my unconditioned water points. All the fittings I used so far are quite easy to understand. The copper lines do need to be cleaned and I remove the inside burr from the indentation from the cutting wheel. Fittings will last twice as long or longer if the edge is removed inside the copper pipe where the cutting wheel presses in on the pipe during the cutting process. I use a pocket knife to remove them, the smaller blades will just slide around the pipe and remove the edge very easily with a little practice. One tends to try and force it and that isn't needed. I had checked on the pressure ratings for these fittings, 120 psi is what they take. My water pressure here is 80 almost so I am running at less than 66 per cent of the limit. Time to call it a day.bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
