subject:"\[BlindHandyMan\] surprising question"

Well Matt, sounds like you had a good day.  Sometimes I think I could just
hang out at Lowes all day, as long as I had someone with me to tell me what
everything is.

 

At our Lowes, most everyone knows us by name now.It makes it more
enjoyable to go there.  

Regards, Tom

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:18 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

 

  

F Y I...
The people at lows were quite friendly and helpful to me today. I came back
with 4 sheets of plywood, 8 by 4 I think it is, and about 12 96 8 foot 2 by
fours. Also picked up a couple more clamps, a nice ratchiting screw driver
set with many other pieces, such as utility knife, a replacement for the
flair tool I chopped up and a couple of fire extinguishers.
Man that place can be fun!

Matt

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-17 Thread Jewel

Shop clerk to Tom:  "Do you want a black eye?"  Tom to clerk:  "If I had wanted 
one, I would have 
asked for it!"
Clerk to Tom:  "Believe me:  Buddy:  You did ask for one,so I will give you 
one, and it won't cost 
you a cent, although it may end up costing me several but it will be worth it!"

  Jewel

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hodges" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:35 AM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question


What really torques my jaws at Home Depot is whenever I ask a clerk for help
finding something, they want to know what I'm using it for.  For instance,
I've ask them where I can find the number 8, one inch long, flat head, brass
wood screws.  Invariably they will say, what are you using them for?  My
canned answer is always, What difference is it to you what I'm using them
for?  I told you specifically what I wanted, I didn't ask you for your
opinion on whether I should buy them, or use something else instead.



I'm not saying this has anything to do with the fact that I'm carrying a
white cane or not.  I think it's a stupid question regardless.



Can you imagine asking for a three foot long black iron pipe and they ask
you where you intend to put it?  At that point, my wife would probably grab
me and say, don't say itTom!  I know what you want to say Tom, but please
don't say it.



Anyway, that's my story.  If my wife didn't go to Home Depot with me, I
would probably come home with a black eye.



Regards, Tom Hodges

RE: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

Thanks Bill, I got the message that time.

 

Regards, Tom

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of wstep...@everestkc.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:17 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

 

  

Tom: I wrote that on my cellphone while I was on the bus going to a meeting,
so who knows why it didn't get sent.
I said that sadly, questions like the ones you got from Home Depot are
probably driven at least in part by product liability concerns. There's case
law out there where product sellers have been held liabel if an end consumer
uses a product for something it wasn't designed for, gets hurt and then
sues. 
It's also possible they're thinking about selling you something **better**
and probably more expensive too.
Bill Stephan 
Kansas Citty MO 
Email: wstep...@everestkc.net <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net>  
Phone: (816)803-2469

- Original Message -
From: Tom Hodges mailto:tomhodges%40fuse.net> >
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:03 am
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
> Bill, I received the email from you but can not find the message 
> anywhere. 
> 
> 
> Tom 
> 
> 
> 
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>  
> [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf Of Bill Stephan 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:42 AM 
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Stephan, 
> Kansas City MO 
> Email: wstep...@everestkc.net <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net>
<mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net> 
> Phone: (816)803-2469 
> 
> -original message- 
> Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question 
> From: Tom Hodges mailto:tomhodges%40fuse.net>
<mailto:tomhodges%40fuse.net> > 
> Date: 11/17/2009 07:35 
> 
> What really torques my jaws at Home Depot is whenever I ask a 
> clerk for help 
> finding something, they want to know what I'm using it for. For 
> instance,I've ask them where I can find the number 8, one inch 
> long, flat head, brass 
> wood screws. Invariably they will say, what are you using them 
> for? My 
> canned answer is always, What difference is it to you what I'm 
> using them 
> for? I told you specifically what I wanted, I didn't ask you for your 
> opinion on whether I should buy them, or use something else instead. 
> 
> I'm not saying this has anything to do with the fact that I'm 
> carrying a 
> white cane or not. I think it's a stupid question regardless. 
> 
> Can you imagine asking for a three foot long black iron pipe and 
> they ask 
> you where you intend to put it? At that point, my wife would 
> probably grab 
> me and say, don't say itTom! I know what you want to say Tom, but 
> pleasedon't say it. 
> 
> Anyway, that's my story. If my wife didn't go to Home Depot with 
> me, I 
> would probably come home with a black eye. 
> 
> Regards, Tom Hodges 
> 
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>  
>
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.co
m <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>  
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ] 
> On Behalf Of Spiro 
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:53 PM 
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question 
> 
> there are still folks at big box hardware stores who make it seem 
> like one 
> must get their approval and clearance before buying a power tool. 
> I've been tempted more than once to say that I was going to put 
> the thing 
> in my face and turn it on. 
> Ignorance is a plague and the worst thing is that it seems to 
> demand it's 
> own bill of rights. 
> Can't blame folks who are innocent. but it seems like a plague 
> sometimes. 
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, clifford wrote: 
> 
> > Dear List members: 
> > I was in a chat room on a site for blind folks and their 
> friends, and the 
> subject turned to the events of the day. My first wife and I 
> engaged in some 
> spring cleaning in November, and we can not figure out whether we 
> are behind 
> several months, or ahead several months. In any event, I was 
> commentingabout my collection of screw-drivers, which has gotten 
> out of control, and I 
> am telling all of my friends and family that this Ch

Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-17 Thread Matt

F Y I...
The people at lows were quite friendly and helpful to me today.  I came back 
with 4 sheets of plywood, 8 by 4 I think it is, and about 12 96 8 foot 2 by 
fours.  Also picked up a couple more clamps, a nice ratchiting screw driver set 
with many other pieces, such as utility knife, a replacement for the flair tool 
I chopped up and a couple of fire extinguishers.
Man that place can be fun!

Matt

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Re: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-17 Thread wstephan

Tom:  I wrote that on my cellphone while I was on the bus going to a meeting, 
so who knows why it didn't get sent.
I said that sadly, questions like the ones you got from Home Depot are probably 
driven at least in part by product liability concerns.  There's case law out 
there where product sellers have been held liabel if an end consumer uses a 
product for something it wasn't designed for, gets hurt and then sues.  
It's also possible they're thinking about selling you something **better** and 
probably more expensive too.
Bill Stephan 
Kansas Citty MO 
Email: wstep...@everestkc.net 
Phone: (816)803-2469


- Original Message -
From: Tom Hodges 
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:03 am
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
> Bill, I received the email from you but can not find the message 
> anywhere. 
> 
> 
> Tom 
> 
> 
> 
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Bill Stephan 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:42 AM 
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Stephan, 
> Kansas City MO 
> Email: wstep...@everestkc.net <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net>  
> Phone: (816)803-2469 
> 
> -original message- 
> Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question 
> From: Tom Hodges mailto:tomhodges%40fuse.net> > 
> Date: 11/17/2009 07:35 
> 
> What really torques my jaws at Home Depot is whenever I ask a 
> clerk for help 
> finding something, they want to know what I'm using it for. For 
> instance,I've ask them where I can find the number 8, one inch 
> long, flat head, brass 
> wood screws. Invariably they will say, what are you using them 
> for? My 
> canned answer is always, What difference is it to you what I'm 
> using them 
> for? I told you specifically what I wanted, I didn't ask you for your 
> opinion on whether I should buy them, or use something else instead. 
> 
> I'm not saying this has anything to do with the fact that I'm 
> carrying a 
> white cane or not. I think it's a stupid question regardless. 
> 
> Can you imagine asking for a three foot long black iron pipe and 
> they ask 
> you where you intend to put it? At that point, my wife would 
> probably grab 
> me and say, don't say itTom! I know what you want to say Tom, but 
> pleasedon't say it. 
> 
> Anyway, that's my story. If my wife didn't go to Home Depot with 
> me, I 
> would probably come home with a black eye. 
> 
> Regards, Tom Hodges 
> 
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ] 
> On Behalf Of Spiro 
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:53 PM 
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question 
> 
> there are still folks at big box hardware stores who make it seem 
> like one 
> must get their approval and clearance before buying a power tool. 
> I've been tempted more than once to say that I was going to put 
> the thing 
> in my face and turn it on. 
> Ignorance is a plague and the worst thing is that it seems to 
> demand it's 
> own bill of rights. 
> Can't blame folks who are innocent. but it seems like a plague 
> sometimes. 
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, clifford wrote: 
> 
> > Dear List members: 
> > I was in a chat room on a site for blind folks and their 
> friends, and the 
> subject turned to the events of the day. My first wife and I 
> engaged in some 
> spring cleaning in November, and we can not figure out whether we 
> are behind 
> several months, or ahead several months. In any event, I was 
> commentingabout my collection of screw-drivers, which has gotten 
> out of control, and I 
> am telling all of my friends and family that this Christmas need 
> not involve 
> screw-drivers. 
> > One of the participants on the site asked me, "what would a 
> blind person 
> do with a screw-driver". I explained that I had disassembled a 
> chair today 
> and reassembled the good parts from two chairs to make one good 
> one. This 
> gentleman apparently has not been exposed to handyman activities 
> at all. 
> > While I don't perform as many tasks as I did as a younger man, I am 
> astounded at the lack of opportunity some blind folks have. Their 
> parents,teachers, and friends have protected them too much, in my 
> country boy's 
> opinion. 
> > 
> > Yours Truly, 
> > 
> > Clifford Wilson 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> > 
> > 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> tom sadly these kinds of questions are probably driven by concerns 
> overproduct liability and the insurance costs associated with it. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> 
>

RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

Bill, I received the email from you but can not find the message anywhere.

Tom

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Bill Stephan
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:42 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

Bill Stephan, 
Kansas City MO 
Email: wstep...@everestkc.net <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net>  
Phone: (816)803-2469

-original message-
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
From: Tom Hodges mailto:tomhodges%40fuse.net> >
Date: 11/17/2009 07:35

What really torques my jaws at Home Depot is whenever I ask a clerk for help
finding something, they want to know what I'm using it for. For instance,
I've ask them where I can find the number 8, one inch long, flat head, brass
wood screws. Invariably they will say, what are you using them for? My
canned answer is always, What difference is it to you what I'm using them
for? I told you specifically what I wanted, I didn't ask you for your
opinion on whether I should buy them, or use something else instead.

I'm not saying this has anything to do with the fact that I'm carrying a
white cane or not. I think it's a stupid question regardless.

Can you imagine asking for a three foot long black iron pipe and they ask
you where you intend to put it? At that point, my wife would probably grab
me and say, don't say itTom! I know what you want to say Tom, but please
don't say it.

Anyway, that's my story. If my wife didn't go to Home Depot with me, I
would probably come home with a black eye.

Regards, Tom Hodges

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Spiro
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:53 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

there are still folks at big box hardware stores who make it seem like one 
must get their approval and clearance before buying a power tool.
I've been tempted more than once to say that I was going to put the thing 
in my face and turn it on.
Ignorance is a plague and the worst thing is that it seems to demand it's 
own bill of rights.
Can't blame folks who are innocent. but it seems like a plague sometimes.

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, clifford wrote:

> Dear List members:
> I was in a chat room on a site for blind folks and their friends, and the
subject turned to the events of the day. My first wife and I engaged in some
spring cleaning in November, and we can not figure out whether we are behind
several months, or ahead several months. In any event, I was commenting
about my collection of screw-drivers, which has gotten out of control, and I
am telling all of my friends and family that this Christmas need not involve
screw-drivers.
> One of the participants on the site asked me, "what would a blind person
do with a screw-driver". I explained that I had disassembled a chair today
and reassembled the good parts from two chairs to make one good one. This
gentleman apparently has not been exposed to handyman activities at all.
> While I don't perform as many tasks as I did as a younger man, I am
astounded at the lack of opportunity some blind folks have. Their parents,
teachers, and friends have protected them too much, in my country boy's
opinion.
>
> Yours Truly,
>
> Clifford Wilson
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
tom sadly these kinds of questions are probably driven by concerns over
product liability and the insurance costs associated with it. 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-17 Thread Bill Stephan

Bill Stephan, 
Kansas City MO 
Email: wstep...@everestkc.net  
Phone: (816)803-2469

-original message-
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
From: Tom Hodges 
Date: 11/17/2009 07:35

What really torques my jaws at Home Depot is whenever I ask a clerk for help
finding something, they want to know what I'm using it for.  For instance,
I've ask them where I can find the number 8, one inch long, flat head, brass
wood screws.  Invariably they will say, what are you using them for?  My
canned answer is always, What difference is it to you what I'm using them
for?  I told you specifically what I wanted, I didn't ask you for your
opinion on whether I should buy them, or use something else instead.

I'm not saying this has anything to do with the fact that I'm carrying a
white cane or not.  I think it's a stupid question regardless.

Can you imagine asking for a three foot long black iron pipe and they ask
you where you intend to put it?  At that point, my wife would probably grab
me and say, don't say itTom!  I know what you want to say Tom, but please
don't say it.

Anyway, that's my story.  If my wife didn't go to Home Depot with me, I
would probably come home with a black eye.

Regards, Tom Hodges

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Spiro
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:53 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

there are still folks at big box hardware stores who make it seem like one 
must get their approval and clearance before buying a power tool.
I've been tempted more than once to say that I was going to put the thing 
in my face and turn it on.
Ignorance is a plague and the worst thing is that it seems to demand it's 
own bill of rights.
Can't blame folks who are innocent. but it seems like a plague sometimes.

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, clifford wrote:

> Dear List members:
> I was in a chat room on a site for blind folks and their friends, and the
subject turned to the events of the day. My first wife and I engaged in some
spring cleaning in November, and we can not figure out whether we are behind
several months, or ahead several months. In any event, I was commenting
about my collection of screw-drivers, which has gotten out of control, and I
am telling all of my friends and family that this Christmas need not involve
screw-drivers.
> One of the participants on the site asked me, "what would a blind person
do with a screw-driver". I explained that I had disassembled a chair today
and reassembled the good parts from two chairs to make one good one. This
gentleman apparently has not been exposed to handyman activities at all.
> While I don't perform as many tasks as I did as a younger man, I am
astounded at the lack of opportunity some blind folks have. Their parents,
teachers, and friends have protected them too much, in my country boy's
opinion.
>
> Yours Truly,
>
> Clifford Wilson
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
tom  sadly these kinds of questions are probably driven by concerns over 
product liability and the insurance costs associated with it.

RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

Al, I think that's a good idea having them next door to each other.  It
wouldn't hurt either of them and it would be very convenient for us
customers.  They match each others prices anyway so it wouldn't affect their
profits.

 

Regards, Tom Hodges

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Alan & Terrie Robbins
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:34 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

 

  

Where I live in upstate New York, Lowes & Home Depot are actually right next
door to each other. I have had good luck with both

Al
-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf Of Tom Hodges
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:29 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

They try a little harder around here in Newport, Kentucky. The reason is
lowes and Home Depot are about 8 miles apart. I am just across the bridge
from Cincinnati, Ohio and there are probably three more of each in the
general area.

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:08 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

Our Home Depot learned this lesson when we went
to buy a $700 item. My husband was with me so
they thought they could ignore my request to open
a large box. When I said that we would be going
to Lowes which is located 125 miles away on the
other side of the island because they knew the
value of customer service, the man had the nerve
to actually laugh. I laughed too, on my way out
of the store. I won't deal with that clerk anymore.
Betsy
At 09:01 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>I agree with you a hundred percent Betsy. Lowes is very good about
opening
>packages for inspection. Home Depot, on the other hand, is not so
>accommodating but if you tell them what you said, all of a sudden, they
>change their attitude.
>
>Tom Hodges
>
>From:
><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
>[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
>On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney
>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:41 PM
>To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
>
>Aloha Matt,
>I would take one of your bits with you and tell
>them to open the package for you so you know what
>you're buying. If they are doing their job, they
>won't mind opening it if they think you're going
>to buy it. If they open the wrong one, or sell
>you the wrong one, they'll have to deal with an
>open package when you return it anyway. I hate
>those plastic packages. If they give me trouble,
>I ask them if they would buy something they
>couldn't see and didn't know if it would work. Changes their attitude
>quickly.
>Betsy
>At 06:03 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Does anyone know a good handle out there I can get for my screw driver
>bits?
> >I have a ton of those and my good ratcheting
> >handle walked off in my brother's pocket. My
> >brother is no longer welcome in my home much
> >because of general untrustworthyness stemming
> >from drug use and bad choices, so I feel pretty
> >confident in searching for a new one to buy.
> >This handle had a ratcheting and locking piece,
> >and you could change the direction of the
> >ratcheting with a switch. The only thing it
> >didn't do was bend, or fold sideways and I figure they have those.
> >I got this handle in a socket and wrench set, it
> >was a package deal, probably by craftsman
> >The screw driver bits are probably six sided
> >ends which fit into the screwdriver handle. I
> >think that's pretty standard. I had another handle, but it's not
>ratcheting.
> >Just figured someone might have a suggestion
> >which would save me the frustration of buying
> >that which I can't see under the plastic.
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Matt
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Tom Hodges
> >To:
>
<mail

RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

Thanks Clifford, I thinks it's great to have been married for 39 years.  

I've been married for 40 years.  Let me see, first one, 4 years, second onee
11 years, third one, 25 years.  Yep, I got it right, 40 years.  Grin.

 

Regards, Tom Hodges.

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of clifford
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:01 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

 

  


- Original Message - 
From: Tom Hodges 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:42 AM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
Dear Tom:
Sue is my first wife, and has been for 39 years last Saturday. I refer to
her as my first wife because that is correct, and it keeps her on her toes a
bit, knowing that she 
could be replaced. After all these years, we have grown to be habits to each
other, so it is my estimation and hope that she retains that slot for the
duration, but telling her that would entail certain risks. Some things are
best left unsaid?

Yours Truly,

Clifford Wilson

I am a bit confused about your comment about doing something in November
with your first wife. The month of November is just half over and you have
a second wife in less than one month?

Just curious.

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of clifford
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:52 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

Dear List members:
I was in a chat room on a site for blind folks and their friends, and the
subject turned to the events of the day. My first wife and I engaged in some
spring cleaning in November, and we can not figure out whether we are behind
several months, or ahead several months. In any event, I was commenting
about my collection of screw-drivers, which has gotten out of control, and I
am telling all of my friends and family that this Christmas need not involve
screw-drivers.
One of the participants on the site asked me, "what would a blind person do
with a screw-driver". I explained that I had disassembled a chair today and
reassembled the good parts from two chairs to make one good one. This
gentleman apparently has not been exposed to handyman activities at all. 
While I don't perform as many tasks as I did as a younger man, I am
astounded at the lack of opportunity some blind folks have. Their parents,
teachers, and friends have protected them too much, in my country boy's
opinion.

Yours Truly,

Clifford Wilson 

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

That's funny.  Thanks for the info Jewel.  Sometimes my wife of 25 years,
refers to me as her future ex husband.

 

Regards, Tom

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jewel
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 6:10 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

 

  

Tom! I am surprised that you haven't come across Clifford's practice of
giving his wife an ordinal 
numeral.
The charming lady is, I understand, his first and only wife to this stage,
and as their marriage is 
a longstanding event in the scheme of life, it is, on the cards, that she
will be his last, but he 
refers to her as his * first wife, just to keep her in line by reminding her
that where there is a * 
first, there might well be a * second, if she pushes her luck too far!

Jewel
- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hodges" mailto:tomhodges%40fuse.net> >
To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:42 AM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

I am a bit confused about your comment about doing something in November
with your first wife. The month of November is just half over and you have
a second wife in less than one month?

Just curious.

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of clifford
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:52 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

Dear List members:
I was in a chat room on a site for blind folks and their friends, and the
subject turned to the events of the day. My first wife and I engaged in some
spring cleaning in November, and we can not figure out whether we are behind
several months, or ahead several months. In any event, I was commenting
about my collection of screw-drivers, which has gotten out of control, and I
am telling all of my friends and family that this Christmas need not involve
screw-drivers.
One of the participants on the site asked me, "what would a blind person do
with a screw-driver". I explained that I had disassembled a chair today and
reassembled the good parts from two chairs to make one good one. This
gentleman apparently has not been exposed to handyman activities at all.
While I don't perform as many tasks as I did as a younger man, I am
astounded at the lack of opportunity some blind folks have. Their parents,
teachers, and friends have protected them too much, in my country boy's
opinion.

Yours Truly,

Clifford Wilson

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

What really torques my jaws at Home Depot is whenever I ask a clerk for help
finding something, they want to know what I'm using it for.  For instance,
I've ask them where I can find the number 8, one inch long, flat head, brass
wood screws.  Invariably they will say, what are you using them for?  My
canned answer is always, What difference is it to you what I'm using them
for?  I told you specifically what I wanted, I didn't ask you for your
opinion on whether I should buy them, or use something else instead.

I'm not saying this has anything to do with the fact that I'm carrying a
white cane or not.  I think it's a stupid question regardless.

Can you imagine asking for a three foot long black iron pipe and they ask
you where you intend to put it?  At that point, my wife would probably grab
me and say, don't say itTom!  I know what you want to say Tom, but please
don't say it.

Anyway, that's my story.  If my wife didn't go to Home Depot with me, I
would probably come home with a black eye.

Regards, Tom Hodges

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Spiro
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:53 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

there are still folks at big box hardware stores who make it seem like one 
must get their approval and clearance before buying a power tool.
I've been tempted more than once to say that I was going to put the thing 
in my face and turn it on.
Ignorance is a plague and the worst thing is that it seems to demand it's 
own bill of rights.
Can't blame folks who are innocent. but it seems like a plague sometimes.

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, clifford wrote:

> Dear List members:
> I was in a chat room on a site for blind folks and their friends, and the
subject turned to the events of the day. My first wife and I engaged in some
spring cleaning in November, and we can not figure out whether we are behind
several months, or ahead several months. In any event, I was commenting
about my collection of screw-drivers, which has gotten out of control, and I
am telling all of my friends and family that this Christmas need not involve
screw-drivers.
> One of the participants on the site asked me, "what would a blind person
do with a screw-driver". I explained that I had disassembled a chair today
and reassembled the good parts from two chairs to make one good one. This
gentleman apparently has not been exposed to handyman activities at all.
> While I don't perform as many tasks as I did as a younger man, I am
astounded at the lack of opportunity some blind folks have. Their parents,
teachers, and friends have protected them too much, in my country boy's
opinion.
>
> Yours Truly,
>
> Clifford Wilson
>
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>
>

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-16 Thread clifford

- Original Message - 
From: Tom Hodges 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:42 AM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
Dear Tom:
Sue is my first wife, and has been for 39 years last Saturday.  I refer to 
her as my first wife because that is correct, and it keeps her on her toes a 
bit, knowing that she 
could be replaced.  After all these years, we have grown to be habits to each 
other, so it is my estimation and hope that she retains that slot for the 
duration, but telling her that would entail certain risks.  Some things are 
best left unsaid?

Yours Truly,

Clifford Wilson

I am a bit confused about your comment about doing something in November
with your first wife. The month of November is just half over and you have
a second wife in less than one month?

Just curious.

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of clifford
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:52 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

Dear List members:
I was in a chat room on a site for blind folks and their friends, and the
subject turned to the events of the day. My first wife and I engaged in some
spring cleaning in November, and we can not figure out whether we are behind
several months, or ahead several months. In any event, I was commenting
about my collection of screw-drivers, which has gotten out of control, and I
am telling all of my friends and family that this Christmas need not involve
screw-drivers.
One of the participants on the site asked me, "what would a blind person do
with a screw-driver". I explained that I had disassembled a chair today and
reassembled the good parts from two chairs to make one good one. This
gentleman apparently has not been exposed to handyman activities at all. 
While I don't perform as many tasks as I did as a younger man, I am
astounded at the lack of opportunity some blind folks have. Their parents,
teachers, and friends have protected them too much, in my country boy's
opinion.

Yours Truly,

Clifford Wilson 

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-16 Thread Tom Vos

There are blind and sighted people who have no interest in things
mechanical, or home repairs, etc.
Perhaps this gentleman was among them.
But he certainly needs an education.
By the way, I'm short a #2 Phillips, if you want to send it over.
Blessings,
Tom

  -Original Message-
  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of clifford
  Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:52 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question



  Dear List members:
  I was in a chat room on a site for blind folks and their friends, and the
subject turned to the events of the day. My first wife and I engaged in some
spring cleaning in November, and we can not figure out whether we are behind
several months, or ahead several months. In any event, I was commenting
about my collection of screw-drivers, which has gotten out of control, and I
am telling all of my friends and family that this Christmas need not involve
screw-drivers.
  One of the participants on the site asked me, "what would a blind person
do with a screw-driver". I explained that I had disassembled a chair today
and reassembled the good parts from two chairs to make one good one. This
gentleman apparently has not been exposed to handyman activities at all.
  While I don't perform as many tasks as I did as a younger man, I am
astounded at the lack of opportunity some blind folks have. Their parents,
teachers, and friends have protected them too much, in my country boy's
opinion.

  Yours Truly,

  Clifford Wilson

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2009-11-16 Thread Jennifer Jackson

I thought the reminder was more for Clifford, so that he will remember how 
lucky he is and that he could be replaced if he forgets to value his special 
woman.  He does indeed seem to honor her. :)

Jennifer

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jewel 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

  Tom! I am surprised that you haven't come across Clifford's practice of 
giving his wife an ordinal 
  numeral.
  The charming lady is, I understand, his first and only wife to this stage, 
and as their marriage is 
  a longstanding event in the scheme of life, it is, on the cards, that she 
will be his last, but he 
  refers to her as his * first wife, just to keep her in line by reminding her 
that where there is a * 
  first, there might well be a * second, if she pushes her luck too far!

  Jewel
  - Original Message - 
  From: "Tom Hodges" 
  To: 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:42 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

  I am a bit confused about your comment about doing something in November
  with your first wife. The month of November is just half over and you have
  a second wife in less than one month?

  Just curious.

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of clifford
  Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:52 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

  Dear List members:
  I was in a chat room on a site for blind folks and their friends, and the
  subject turned to the events of the day. My first wife and I engaged in some
  spring cleaning in November, and we can not figure out whether we are behind
  several months, or ahead several months. In any event, I was commenting
  about my collection of screw-drivers, which has gotten out of control, and I
  am telling all of my friends and family that this Christmas need not involve
  screw-drivers.
  One of the participants on the site asked me, "what would a blind person do
  with a screw-driver". I explained that I had disassembled a chair today and
  reassembled the good parts from two chairs to make one good one. This
  gentleman apparently has not been exposed to handyman activities at all.
  While I don't perform as many tasks as I did as a younger man, I am
  astounded at the lack of opportunity some blind folks have. Their parents,
  teachers, and friends have protected them too much, in my country boy's
  opinion.

  Yours Truly,

  Clifford Wilson

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2009-11-16 Thread Jewel

Tom!  I am surprised that you haven't come across Clifford's practice  of 
giving his wife an ordinal 
numeral.
The charming lady is, I understand,  his first and only wife to this stage, and 
as their marriage is 
a longstanding event in the scheme of life, it is, on the cards, that she will 
be his last, but he 
refers to her as his * first wife, just to keep her in line by reminding her 
that where there is a * 
first, there might well be a * second, if she pushes her luck too far!

 Jewel
- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hodges" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:42 AM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question


I am a bit confused about your comment about doing something in November
with your first wife.  The month of November is just half over and you have
a second wife in less than one month?

Just curious.



From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of clifford
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:52 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question





Dear List members:
I was in a chat room on a site for blind folks and their friends, and the
subject turned to the events of the day. My first wife and I engaged in some
spring cleaning in November, and we can not figure out whether we are behind
several months, or ahead several months. In any event, I was commenting
about my collection of screw-drivers, which has gotten out of control, and I
am telling all of my friends and family that this Christmas need not involve
screw-drivers.
One of the participants on the site asked me, "what would a blind person do
with a screw-driver". I explained that I had disassembled a chair today and
reassembled the good parts from two chairs to make one good one. This
gentleman apparently has not been exposed to handyman activities at all.
While I don't perform as many tasks as I did as a younger man, I am
astounded at the lack of opportunity some blind folks have. Their parents,
teachers, and friends have protected them too much, in my country boy's
opinion.

Yours Truly,

Clifford Wilson

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-16 Thread Spiro

there are still folks at big box hardware stores who make it seem like one 
must get their approval and clearance before buying a power tool.
I've been tempted more than once to say that I was going to put the thing 
in my face and turn it on.
Ignorance is a plague and the worst thing is that it seems to demand it's 
own bill of rights.
Can't blame folks who are innocent. but it seems like a plague sometimes.





On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, clifford wrote:

> Dear List members:
>I was in a chat room on a site for blind folks and their friends, and the 
> subject turned to the events of the day.  My first wife and I engaged in some 
> spring cleaning in November, and we can not figure out whether we are behind 
> several months, or ahead several months.  In any event, I was commenting 
> about my collection of screw-drivers, which has gotten out of control, and I 
> am telling all of my friends and family that this Christmas need not involve 
> screw-drivers.
>One of the participants on the site asked me,  "what would a blind person 
> do with a screw-driver".  I explained that I had disassembled a chair today 
> and reassembled the good parts from two chairs to make one good one.  This 
> gentleman apparently has not been exposed to handyman activities at all.
>While I don't perform as many tasks as I did as a younger man, I am 
> astounded at the lack of opportunity some blind folks have.  Their parents, 
> teachers, and friends have protected  them too much, in my country boy's 
> opinion.
>
>Yours Truly,
>
>Clifford Wilson
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-16 Thread Scott Howell

I find that to be true and probably more so at Home Depot, but I think a lot of 
this has to do with the fact we've gotten to know some of the employees. Lord 
knows I never miss a chance to pick on the cute young female employees. grin.

On Nov 16, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Alan & Terrie Robbins wrote:

> Where I live in upstate New York, Lowes & Home Depot are actually right next
> door to each other. I have had good luck with both
> 
> Al
> -Original Message-
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Tom Hodges
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:29 PM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
> 
> They try a little harder around here in Newport, Kentucky. The reason is
> lowes and Home Depot are about 8 miles apart. I am just across the bridge
> from Cincinnati, Ohio and there are probably three more of each in the
> general area.
> 
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:08 PM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
> 
> Our Home Depot learned this lesson when we went
> to buy a $700 item. My husband was with me so
> they thought they could ignore my request to open
> a large box. When I said that we would be going
> to Lowes which is located 125 miles away on the
> other side of the island because they knew the
> value of customer service, the man had the nerve
> to actually laugh. I laughed too, on my way out
> of the store. I won't deal with that clerk anymore.
> Betsy
> At 09:01 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >I agree with you a hundred percent Betsy. Lowes is very good about
> opening
> >packages for inspection. Home Depot, on the other hand, is not so
> >accommodating but if you tell them what you said, all of a sudden, they
> >change their attitude.
> >
> >Tom Hodges
> >
> >From:
> ><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> >[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> >On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney
> >Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:41 PM
> >To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
> >
> >Aloha Matt,
> >I would take one of your bits with you and tell
> >them to open the package for you so you know what
> >you're buying. If they are doing their job, they
> >won't mind opening it if they think you're going
> >to buy it. If they open the wrong one, or sell
> >you the wrong one, they'll have to deal with an
> >open package when you return it anyway. I hate
> >those plastic packages. If they give me trouble,
> >I ask them if they would buy something they
> >couldn't see and didn't know if it would work. Changes their attitude
> >quickly.
> >Betsy
> >At 06:03 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Does anyone know a good handle out there I can get for my screw driver
> >bits?
> > >I have a ton of those and my good ratcheting
> > >handle walked off in my brother's pocket. My
> > >brother is no longer welcome in my home much
> > >because of general untrustworthyness stemming
> > >from drug use and bad choices, so I feel pretty
> > >confident in searching for a new one to buy.
> > >This handle had a ratcheting and locking piece,
> > >and you could change the direction of the
> > >ratcheting with a switch. The only thing it
> > >didn't do was bend, or fold sideways and I figure they have those.
> > >I got this handle in a socket and wrench set, it
> > >was a package deal, probably by craftsman
> > >The screw driver bits are probably six sided
> > >ends which fit into the screwdriver handle. I
> > >think that's pretty standard. I had another handle, but it's not
> >ratcheting.
> > >Just figured someone might have a suggestion
> > >which would save me the frustration of buying
> > >that which I can't see under the plastic.
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Matt
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: Tom Hodges
> > >To:
> >
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroup
> s.
> com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindh

Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

Thanks for responses on this.  I will be trying lows soon.  Have had a bad 
experience with Home depot before and don't prefer them anymore.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alan & Terrie Robbins 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:33 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question



  Where I live in upstate New York, Lowes & Home Depot are actually right next
  door to each other. I have had good luck with both

  Al
  -Original Message-
  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Tom Hodges
  Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:29 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

  They try a little harder around here in Newport, Kentucky. The reason is
  lowes and Home Depot are about 8 miles apart. I am just across the bridge
  from Cincinnati, Ohio and there are probably three more of each in the
  general area.

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney
  Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:08 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

  Our Home Depot learned this lesson when we went
  to buy a $700 item. My husband was with me so
  they thought they could ignore my request to open
  a large box. When I said that we would be going
  to Lowes which is located 125 miles away on the
  other side of the island because they knew the
  value of customer service, the man had the nerve
  to actually laugh. I laughed too, on my way out
  of the store. I won't deal with that clerk anymore.
  Betsy
  At 09:01 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
  >
  >
  >I agree with you a hundred percent Betsy. Lowes is very good about
  opening
  >packages for inspection. Home Depot, on the other hand, is not so
  >accommodating but if you tell them what you said, all of a sudden, they
  >change their attitude.
  >
  >Tom Hodges
  >
  >From:
  ><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
  >[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
  >On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney
  >Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:41 PM
  >To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
  >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
  >
  >Aloha Matt,
  >I would take one of your bits with you and tell
  >them to open the package for you so you know what
  >you're buying. If they are doing their job, they
  >won't mind opening it if they think you're going
  >to buy it. If they open the wrong one, or sell
  >you the wrong one, they'll have to deal with an
  >open package when you return it anyway. I hate
  >those plastic packages. If they give me trouble,
  >I ask them if they would buy something they
  >couldn't see and didn't know if it would work. Changes their attitude
  >quickly.
  >Betsy
  >At 06:03 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
  > >
  > >
  > >Does anyone know a good handle out there I can get for my screw driver
  >bits?
  > >I have a ton of those and my good ratcheting
  > >handle walked off in my brother's pocket. My
  > >brother is no longer welcome in my home much
  > >because of general untrustworthyness stemming
  > >from drug use and bad choices, so I feel pretty
  > >confident in searching for a new one to buy.
  > >This handle had a ratcheting and locking piece,
  > >and you could change the direction of the
  > >ratcheting with a switch. The only thing it
  > >didn't do was bend, or fold sideways and I figure they have those.
  > >I got this handle in a socket and wrench set, it
  > >was a package deal, probably by craftsman
  > >The screw driver bits are probably six sided
  > >ends which fit into the screwdriver handle. I
  > >think that's pretty standard. I had another handle, but it's not
  >ratcheting.
  > >Just figured someone might have a suggestion
  > >which would save me the frustration of buying
  > >that which I can't see under the plastic.
  > >Thanks,
  > >
  > >Matt
  > >- Original Message -
  > >From: Tom Hodges
  > >To:
  >
  <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroup
  s.
  com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
  ><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
  > >Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:32 AM
  > >Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
  > >
  > >I just counted my screw drivers. I have 57 of t

RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-16 Thread Alan & Terrie Robbins

Where I live in upstate New York, Lowes & Home Depot are actually right next
door to each other. I have had good luck with both

Al
  -Original Message-
  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Tom Hodges
  Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:29 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question



  They try a little harder around here in Newport, Kentucky. The reason is
  lowes and Home Depot are about 8 miles apart. I am just across the bridge
  from Cincinnati, Ohio and there are probably three more of each in the
  general area.

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney
  Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:08 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

  Our Home Depot learned this lesson when we went
  to buy a $700 item. My husband was with me so
  they thought they could ignore my request to open
  a large box. When I said that we would be going
  to Lowes which is located 125 miles away on the
  other side of the island because they knew the
  value of customer service, the man had the nerve
  to actually laugh. I laughed too, on my way out
  of the store. I won't deal with that clerk anymore.
  Betsy
  At 09:01 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
  >
  >
  >I agree with you a hundred percent Betsy. Lowes is very good about
opening
  >packages for inspection. Home Depot, on the other hand, is not so
  >accommodating but if you tell them what you said, all of a sudden, they
  >change their attitude.
  >
  >Tom Hodges
  >
  >From:
  ><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
  >[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
  >On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney
  >Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:41 PM
  >To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
  >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
  >
  >Aloha Matt,
  >I would take one of your bits with you and tell
  >them to open the package for you so you know what
  >you're buying. If they are doing their job, they
  >won't mind opening it if they think you're going
  >to buy it. If they open the wrong one, or sell
  >you the wrong one, they'll have to deal with an
  >open package when you return it anyway. I hate
  >those plastic packages. If they give me trouble,
  >I ask them if they would buy something they
  >couldn't see and didn't know if it would work. Changes their attitude
  >quickly.
  >Betsy
  >At 06:03 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
  > >
  > >
  > >Does anyone know a good handle out there I can get for my screw driver
  >bits?
  > >I have a ton of those and my good ratcheting
  > >handle walked off in my brother's pocket. My
  > >brother is no longer welcome in my home much
  > >because of general untrustworthyness stemming
  > >from drug use and bad choices, so I feel pretty
  > >confident in searching for a new one to buy.
  > >This handle had a ratcheting and locking piece,
  > >and you could change the direction of the
  > >ratcheting with a switch. The only thing it
  > >didn't do was bend, or fold sideways and I figure they have those.
  > >I got this handle in a socket and wrench set, it
  > >was a package deal, probably by craftsman
  > >The screw driver bits are probably six sided
  > >ends which fit into the screwdriver handle. I
  > >think that's pretty standard. I had another handle, but it's not
  >ratcheting.
  > >Just figured someone might have a suggestion
  > >which would save me the frustration of buying
  > >that which I can't see under the plastic.
  > >Thanks,
  > >
  > >Matt
  > >- Original Message -
  > >From: Tom Hodges
  > >To:
  >
  <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroup
s.
  com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
  ><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
  > >Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:32 AM
  > >Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
  > >
  > >I just counted my screw drivers. I have 57 of them. I must have lost
one
  > >or two of them, I thought I had more.
  > >
  > >Tom
  > >
  > >From:
  > ><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
  ><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
  > >[mailto:<mailto:blindhandyman

RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

They try a little harder around here in Newport, Kentucky.  The reason is
lowes and Home Depot are about 8 miles apart.  I am just across the bridge
from Cincinnati, Ohio and there are probably three more of each in the
general area.

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:08 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

 

  

Our Home Depot learned this lesson when we went 
to buy a $700 item. My husband was with me so 
they thought they could ignore my request to open 
a large box. When I said that we would be going 
to Lowes which is located 125 miles away on the 
other side of the island because they knew the 
value of customer service, the man had the nerve 
to actually laugh. I laughed too, on my way out 
of the store. I won't deal with that clerk anymore.
Betsy
At 09:01 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>I agree with you a hundred percent Betsy. Lowes is very good about opening
>packages for inspection. Home Depot, on the other hand, is not so
>accommodating but if you tell them what you said, all of a sudden, they
>change their attitude.
>
>Tom Hodges
>
>From: 
><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>  
>[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
>On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney
>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:41 PM
>To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
>Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
>
>Aloha Matt,
>I would take one of your bits with you and tell
>them to open the package for you so you know what
>you're buying. If they are doing their job, they
>won't mind opening it if they think you're going
>to buy it. If they open the wrong one, or sell
>you the wrong one, they'll have to deal with an
>open package when you return it anyway. I hate
>those plastic packages. If they give me trouble,
>I ask them if they would buy something they
>couldn't see and didn't know if it would work. Changes their attitude
>quickly.
>Betsy
>At 06:03 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Does anyone know a good handle out there I can get for my screw driver
>bits?
> >I have a ton of those and my good ratcheting
> >handle walked off in my brother's pocket. My
> >brother is no longer welcome in my home much
> >because of general untrustworthyness stemming
> >from drug use and bad choices, so I feel pretty
> >confident in searching for a new one to buy.
> >This handle had a ratcheting and locking piece,
> >and you could change the direction of the
> >ratcheting with a switch. The only thing it
> >didn't do was bend, or fold sideways and I figure they have those.
> >I got this handle in a socket and wrench set, it
> >was a package deal, probably by craftsman
> >The screw driver bits are probably six sided
> >ends which fit into the screwdriver handle. I
> >think that's pretty standard. I had another handle, but it's not
>ratcheting.
> >Just figured someone might have a suggestion
> >which would save me the frustration of buying
> >that which I can't see under the plastic.
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Matt
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Tom Hodges
> >To: 
>
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.
com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:32 AM
> >Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
> >
> >I just counted my screw drivers. I have 57 of them. I must have lost one
> >or two of them, I thought I had more.
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >From:
> ><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> >[mailto:<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
> >blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> >On Behalf Of Dan Rossi
> >Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:02 AM
> >To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
> >
> >Cliff,
> >
> >I need more screw drivers as I can nev

Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-16 Thread Betsy Whitney

Hi Bill,
I think that you are correct. It isn't any 
different for people who are blind than for those 
who are not. Just think about all of the plumbers 
in the world. If only people who are blind needed 
them, their wouldn't be much work. Some people 
don't enjoy such things and some are never 
encouraged to try. It reminds me of my grandma 
and 3 of her 4 daughters who never learned to 
drive because they were encouraged to get a husband to drive for them.
Betsy
At 09:08 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>And some of this has little to do with 
>blindness. I have a friend who is an economist, 
>very intelligent etc. He cannot do anything 
>mechanical, period. He even has to get his 
>brother-in-law to attach his water filter 
>adapters. As for myself, I enjoy doing certain 
>things, call it rough carpentry, but I'd never 
>even think about doing the kind of finish work 
>many folks on this List are apparently very good 
>at. I could probably do more plumming than I do, 
>but nheither my wife or I drive, and lack of an 
>easy and quick way to get to the hardware or 
>plumming supply place to get parts for something 
>you just accidentally broke definitely makes me 
>hesitant sometines when I probably don't need to be.
>
>Bill Stephan
>Kansas Citty MO
>Email: <mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net>wstep...@everestkc.net
>Phone: (816)803-2469
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Dan Rossi <<mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu>d...@andrew.cmu.edu>
>Date: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:56 am
>Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
> > River,
> >
> > I think each of us take on those tasks which we are comfortable
> > with, or
> > interested in. I called my father-in-law in to fix the walls in
> > the soon
> > to be nursery. Could I have patched the walls? Possibly, but I
> > have no
> > skill in it. He has many years of practice and can do it faster
> > and
> > significantly better than I can. When he is done, the walls in
> > the
> > nursery will be the best in the house.
> >
> > Other blind folks can do taping and spackling, it's just not
> > something I
> > want to take on. I might take on a roof, but hate plumbing. I
> > might
> > build a deck, but have never worked under the hood of a car.
> >
> > To each his own.
> >
> > It's not the fact that a particular blind person does this or
> > doesn't do
> > that. The disturbing issue is when people believe that if one
> > blind
> > person can't do something, no blind person can. Or, if one blind
> > person
> > can do something then all blind people should be able to do that.
> > It just
> > doesn't work that way.
> >
> >
> > Blue skies.
> > Dan Rossi
> > Carnegie Mellon University.
> > E-Mail: <mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu>d...@andrew.cmu.edu
> > Tel: (412) 268-9081
> >
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-16 Thread Betsy Whitney

Our Home Depot learned this lesson when we went 
to buy a $700 item. My husband was with me so 
they thought they could ignore my request to open 
a large box. When I said that we would be going 
to Lowes which is located 125 miles away on the 
other side of the island because they knew the 
value of customer service, the man had the nerve 
to actually laugh. I laughed too, on my way out 
of the store. I won't deal with that clerk anymore.
Betsy
At 09:01 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>I agree with you a hundred percent Betsy. Lowes is very good about opening
>packages for inspection. Home Depot, on the other hand, is not so
>accommodating but if you tell them what you said, all of a sudden, they
>change their attitude.
>
>Tom Hodges
>
>From: 
><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
>[mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
>On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney
>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:41 PM
>To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
>
>Aloha Matt,
>I would take one of your bits with you and tell
>them to open the package for you so you know what
>you're buying. If they are doing their job, they
>won't mind opening it if they think you're going
>to buy it. If they open the wrong one, or sell
>you the wrong one, they'll have to deal with an
>open package when you return it anyway. I hate
>those plastic packages. If they give me trouble,
>I ask them if they would buy something they
>couldn't see and didn't know if it would work. Changes their attitude
>quickly.
>Betsy
>At 06:03 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Does anyone know a good handle out there I can get for my screw driver
>bits?
> >I have a ton of those and my good ratcheting
> >handle walked off in my brother's pocket. My
> >brother is no longer welcome in my home much
> >because of general untrustworthyness stemming
> >from drug use and bad choices, so I feel pretty
> >confident in searching for a new one to buy.
> >This handle had a ratcheting and locking piece,
> >and you could change the direction of the
> >ratcheting with a switch. The only thing it
> >didn't do was bend, or fold sideways and I figure they have those.
> >I got this handle in a socket and wrench set, it
> >was a package deal, probably by craftsman
> >The screw driver bits are probably six sided
> >ends which fit into the screwdriver handle. I
> >think that's pretty standard. I had another handle, but it's not
>ratcheting.
> >Just figured someone might have a suggestion
> >which would save me the frustration of buying
> >that which I can't see under the plastic.
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Matt
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Tom Hodges
> >To: 
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:32 AM
> >Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
> >
> >I just counted my screw drivers. I have 57 of them. I must have lost one
> >or two of them, I thought I had more.
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >From:
> ><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> >[mailto:<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
>  >blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> >On Behalf Of Dan Rossi
> >Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:02 AM
> >To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
> >
> >Cliff,
> >
> >I need more screw drivers as I can never seem to find the one particular
> >driver I need at any given time.
> >
> >Your story gives me the heeby geebies. The only thing I find more
> >horrifying than the ignorance in the sighted community about what a blind
> >person can do, is the ignorance in the blind community about what a blind
> >person can do. If other blind people can't imagine a blind person doing
> >this or that, then how can we possibly get the sighted community to
> >believe it.
> >
> >Incredibly sad story.
> >
> >--
> >Blue skies.
> >Dan Rossi
> >Carnegie Mellon University.
> >E-Mail:
> ><mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu>d...@andrew.cmu.edu
><mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu>
> > <mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu>
> >Tel: (412) 268-9081
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-16 Thread wstephan

And some of this has little to do with blindness.  I have a friend who is an 
economist, very intelligent etc.  He cannot do anything mechanical, period.  He 
even has to get his brother-in-law to attach his water filter adapters.  As for 
myself, I enjoy doing certain things, call it rough carpentry, but I'd never 
even think about doing the kind of finish work many folks on this List are 
apparently very good at.  I could probably do more plumming than I do, but 
nheither my wife or I drive, and lack of an easy and quick way to get to the 
hardware or plumming supply place to get parts for something you just 
accidentally broke definitely makes me hesitant sometines when I probably don't 
need to be.

Bill Stephan 
Kansas Citty MO 
Email: wstep...@everestkc.net 
Phone: (816)803-2469


- Original Message -
From: Dan Rossi 
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:56 am
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
> River, 
> 
> I think each of us take on those tasks which we are comfortable 
> with, or 
> interested in.  I called my father-in-law in to fix the walls in 
> the soon 
> to be nursery.  Could I have patched the walls?  Possibly, but I 
> have no 
> skill in it.  He has many years of practice and can do it faster 
> and 
> significantly better than I can.  When he is done, the walls in 
> the 
> nursery will be the best in the house. 
> 
> Other blind folks can do taping and spackling, it's just not 
> something I 
> want to take on.  I might take on a roof, but hate plumbing.  I 
> might 
> build a deck, but have never worked under the hood of a car. 
> 
> To each his own. 
> 
> It's not the fact that a particular blind person does this or 
> doesn't do 
> that.  The disturbing issue is when people believe that if one 
> blind 
> person can't do something, no blind person can.  Or, if one blind 
> person 
> can do something then all blind people should be able to do that.  
> It just 
> doesn't work that way. 
> 
> 
> Blue skies. 
> Dan Rossi 
> Carnegie Mellon University. 
> E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu 
> Tel: (412) 268-9081 
>

RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

I agree with you a hundred percent Betsy.  Lowes is very good about opening
packages for inspection.  Home Depot, on the other hand, is not so
accommodating but if you tell them what you said, all of a sudden, they
change their attitude.

 

Tom Hodges

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:41 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

 

  

Aloha Matt,
I would take one of your bits with you and tell 
them to open the package for you so you know what 
you're buying. If they are doing their job, they 
won't mind opening it if they think you're going 
to buy it. If they open the wrong one, or sell 
you the wrong one, they'll have to deal with an 
open package when you return it anyway. I hate 
those plastic packages. If they give me trouble, 
I ask them if they would buy something they 
couldn't see and didn't know if it would work. Changes their attitude
quickly.
Betsy
At 06:03 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>Does anyone know a good handle out there I can get for my screw driver
bits?
>I have a ton of those and my good ratcheting 
>handle walked off in my brother's pocket. My 
>brother is no longer welcome in my home much 
>because of general untrustworthyness stemming 
>from drug use and bad choices, so I feel pretty 
>confident in searching for a new one to buy.
>This handle had a ratcheting and locking piece, 
>and you could change the direction of the 
>ratcheting with a switch. The only thing it 
>didn't do was bend, or fold sideways and I figure they have those.
>I got this handle in a socket and wrench set, it 
>was a package deal, probably by craftsman
>The screw driver bits are probably six sided 
>ends which fit into the screwdriver handle. I 
>think that's pretty standard. I had another handle, but it's not
ratcheting.
>Just figured someone might have a suggestion 
>which would save me the frustration of buying 
>that which I can't see under the plastic.
>Thanks,
>
>Matt
>- Original Message -
>From: Tom Hodges
>To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:32 AM
>Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
>
>I just counted my screw drivers. I have 57 of them. I must have lost one
>or two of them, I thought I had more.
>
>Tom
>
>From: 
><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>  
>[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
>On Behalf Of Dan Rossi
>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:02 AM
>To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> 
>Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
>
>Cliff,
>
>I need more screw drivers as I can never seem to find the one particular
>driver I need at any given time.
>
>Your story gives me the heeby geebies. The only thing I find more
>horrifying than the ignorance in the sighted community about what a blind
>person can do, is the ignorance in the blind community about what a blind
>person can do. If other blind people can't imagine a blind person doing
>this or that, then how can we possibly get the sighted community to
>believe it.
>
>Incredibly sad story.
>
>--
>Blue skies.
>Dan Rossi
>Carnegie Mellon University.
>E-Mail: 
><mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu>d...@andrew.cmu.edu
<mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu>  
> <mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu>
>Tel: (412) 268-9081
>
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>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-16 Thread Betsy Whitney

Aloha Matt,
I would take one of your bits with you and tell 
them to open the package for you so you know what 
you're buying. If they are doing their job, they 
won't mind opening it if they think you're going 
to buy it. If they open the wrong one, or sell 
you the wrong one, they'll have to deal with an 
open package when you return it anyway. I hate 
those plastic packages. If they give me trouble, 
I ask them if they would buy something they 
couldn't see and didn't know if it would  work. Changes their attitude quickly.
Betsy
At 06:03 AM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>Does anyone know a good handle out there I can get for my screw driver bits?
>I have a ton of those and my good ratcheting 
>handle walked off in my brother's pocket. My 
>brother is no longer welcome in my home much 
>because of general untrustworthyness stemming 
>from drug use and bad choices, so I feel pretty 
>confident in searching for a new one to buy.
>This handle had a ratcheting and locking piece, 
>and you could change the direction of the 
>ratcheting with a switch. The only thing it 
>didn't do was bend, or fold sideways and I figure they have those.
>I got this handle in a socket and wrench set, it 
>was a package deal, probably by craftsman
>The screw driver bits are probably six sided 
>ends which fit into the screwdriver handle. I 
>think that's pretty standard. I had another handle, but it's not ratcheting.
>Just figured someone might have a suggestion 
>which would save me the frustration of buying 
>that which I can't see under the plastic.
>Thanks,
>
>Matt
>- Original Message -
>From: Tom Hodges
>To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:32 AM
>Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
>
>I just counted my screw drivers. I have 57 of them. I must have lost one
>or two of them, I thought I had more.
>
>Tom
>
>From: 
><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
>[mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
>On Behalf Of Dan Rossi
>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:02 AM
>To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
>
>Cliff,
>
>I need more screw drivers as I can never seem to find the one particular
>driver I need at any given time.
>
>Your story gives me the heeby geebies. The only thing I find more
>horrifying than the ignorance in the sighted community about what a blind
>person can do, is the ignorance in the blind community about what a blind
>person can do. If other blind people can't imagine a blind person doing
>this or that, then how can we possibly get the sighted community to
>believe it.
>
>Incredibly sad story.
>
>--
>Blue skies.
>Dan Rossi
>Carnegie Mellon University.
>E-Mail: 
><mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu>d...@andrew.cmu.edu 
>  <mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu>
>Tel: (412) 268-9081
>
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>
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>
>


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-16 Thread Dan Rossi

River,

I think each of us take on those tasks which we are comfortable with, or 
interested in.  I called my father-in-law in to fix the walls in the soon 
to be nursery.  Could I have patched the walls?  Possibly, but I have no 
skill in it.  He has many years of practice and can do it faster and 
significantly better than I can.  When he is done, the walls in the 
nursery will be the best in the house.

Other blind folks can do taping and spackling, it's just not something I 
want to take on.  I might take on a roof, but hate plumbing.  I might 
build a deck, but have never worked under the hood of a car.

To each his own.

It's not the fact that a particular blind person does this or doesn't do 
that.  The disturbing issue is when people believe that if one blind 
person can't do something, no blind person can.  Or, if one blind person 
can do something then all blind people should be able to do that.  It just 
doesn't work that way.


Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
Tel:(412) 268-9081

Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-16 Thread Dale Leavens

Sorry RiverWind, I can't address you by name because if I ever knew it I have 
forgotten.

Well you know loads of sighted people hire others to do a variety of things 
including very simple things. Most often I find people interested largely 
because they don't or think they can't perform many of the things I do. It 
isn't just the blind.

Janet and I mow our lawns but we have deliberately designed much of the 
landscaping specifically with that in mind. Janet won't use my power mower but 
does like her reel style push hand mower.

I have a neighbour immediately north of me who doesn't do anything! what does 
get done he hires out.

It isn't always a matter of blindness or over protectiveness, often it is one 
of ambition and motivation much of which can be destroyed by over protective 
sheltering family and friends.

It is interesting working with brain injury, a bit of a passion of mine. Even 
my peers who don't have quite as much specialized training in the field that I 
have are often amazed at what some of my patients are capable of doing. It 
isn't simple necessarily but very often they don't perform as well as they 
might because we don't expect it of them. Often what they give me is just 
because I expect them to and they rise to the occasion. If I can get a stroke 
victim to step up a ladder for example it isn't because I much care if he or 
she ever climbs a ladder but the strength and coordination required makes 
simple ambulation easy by comparison and the skill set carries over.

Put a stick or cane in their hand and you have relegated them, psychologically 
if not physically and in other ways to being a cripple. Too often this is 
necessary of course but beginning with that as the ultimate goal immediately 
limits imagination and expectation.

Raising kids is much the same thing. I doubt my kids ever understood that 
anything less than post-secondary education was even an option. Much of what 
they wanted they were expected to go out and get and they did.

OK Enough already.

  - Original Message - 
  From: RiverWind 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

  Greetings,

  You know, I have been a do-it-yourselfer for years now, and I find
  myself right smack in the middle of this spectrum. On the one hand,
  I can do a lot of my own plumbing, basic carpentry, rudimentary
  electronics, auto mechanics, taking care of livestock, computer
  maintenance, cooking and basic home repair, which is a highly
  generalized term indeed. However, I am not in the same league as
  some of you cats, from whom I am learning a lot by merely reading
  your posts. On the other hand, I some times need to hire sighted
  assistance.

  For instance, I had to pay to have a new roof put on our home back
  in October. It is a white metal roof, which should reflect some of
  this Florida heat come next summer. I've heard lots of good things
  about white metal roofs lately, so I believe it was worth the
  $3,750. I don't know how to use a weed-eater and otherwise mow the
  lawn, so I am buying a riding mower and intend to hire someone to
  do that. That is unless some of you mow your own loans and don't
  mind telling a fellow how you go about doing it.

  The idea of not knowing how to work on a kitchen spigot is
  inconceivable and downright disturbing to me. Talk about learned
  helplessness. Then too, there are the misguided perceptions of much
  of the sighted world, that assume by default that this sort of
  thing is par-for-course.

  Bright Blessings,
  RiverWind

  Feel free to visit my website and my blog and learn more about me
  and what I stand for.

  My Website http://www.shellworld.net/~riverwind
  My Blog http://windraven13.livejournal.com/
  On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Dan Rossi wrote:

  > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:02:25 -0500 (EST)
  > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  > From: Dan Rossi 
  > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
  > 
  > Cliff,
  >
  > I need more screw drivers as I can never seem to find the one particular
  > driver I need at any given time.
  >
  > Your story gives me the heeby geebies. The only thing I find more
  > horrifying than the ignorance in the sighted community about what a blind
  > person can do, is the ignorance in the blind community about what a blind
  > person can do. If other blind people can't imagine a blind person doing
  > this or that, then how can we possibly get the sighted community to
  > believe it.
  >
  > Incredibly sad story.
  >
  > -- 
  > Blue skies.
  > Dan Rossi
  > Carnegie Mellon University.
  > E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
  > Tel: (412) 268-9081
  >
  >
  > 
  >
  > Send any questions regarding list management to:
  > blin

Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-16 Thread RiverWind

Greetings,

You know, I have been a do-it-yourselfer for years now, and I find
myself right smack in the middle of this spectrum. On the one hand,
I can do a lot of my own plumbing, basic carpentry, rudimentary
electronics, auto mechanics, taking care of livestock, computer
maintenance, cooking and basic home repair, which is a highly
generalized term indeed. However, I am not in the same league as
some of you cats, from whom I am learning a lot by merely reading
your posts. On the other hand, I some times need to hire sighted
assistance.

For instance, I had to pay to have a new roof put on our home back
in October. It is a white metal roof, which should reflect some of
this Florida heat come next summer. I've heard lots of good things
about white metal roofs lately, so I believe it was worth the
$3,750. I don't know how to use a weed-eater and otherwise mow the
lawn, so I am buying a riding mower and intend to hire someone to
do that. That is unless some of you mow your own loans and don't
mind telling a fellow how you go about doing it.

The idea of not knowing how to work on a kitchen spigot is
inconceivable and downright disturbing to me. Talk about learned
helplessness. Then too, there are the misguided perceptions of much
of the sighted world, that assume by default that this sort of
thing is par-for-course.

Bright Blessings,
RiverWind

Feel free to visit my website and my blog and learn more about me
and what I stand for.

My Website http://www.shellworld.net/~riverwind
My Blog http://windraven13.livejournal.com/
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Dan Rossi wrote:

> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:02:25 -0500 (EST)
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> From: Dan Rossi 
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
> 
> Cliff,
>
> I need more screw drivers as I can never seem to find the one particular
> driver I need at any given time.
>
> Your story gives me the heeby geebies.  The only thing I find more
> horrifying than the ignorance in the sighted community about what a blind
> person can do, is the ignorance in the blind community about what a blind
> person can do.  If other blind people can't imagine a blind person doing
> this or that, then how can we possibly get the sighted community to
> believe it.
>
> Incredibly sad story.
>
> -- 
> Blue skies.
> Dan Rossi
> Carnegie Mellon University.
> E-Mail:   d...@andrew.cmu.edu
> Tel:  (412) 268-9081
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

Does anyone know a good handle out there I can get for my screw driver bits?
I have a ton of those and my good ratcheting handle walked off in my brother's 
pocket.  My brother is no longer welcome in my home much because of general 
untrustworthyness stemming from drug use and bad choices, so I feel pretty 
confident in searching for a new one to buy.
This handle had a ratcheting and locking piece, and you could change the 
direction of the ratcheting with a switch.  The only thing it didn't do was 
bend, or fold sideways and I figure they have those.
I got this handle in a socket and wrench set, it was a package deal, probably 
by craftsman
The screw driver bits are probably six sided ends which fit into the 
screwdriver handle.  I think that's pretty standard.  I had another handle, but 
it's not ratcheting.
Just figured someone might have a suggestion which would save me the 
frustration of buying that which I can't see under the plastic.
Thanks,

Matt
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Hodges 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:32 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question



  I just counted my screw drivers. I have 57 of them. I must have lost one
  or two of them, I thought I had more.

  Tom

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of Dan Rossi
  Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:02 AM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

  Cliff,

  I need more screw drivers as I can never seem to find the one particular 
  driver I need at any given time.

  Your story gives me the heeby geebies. The only thing I find more 
  horrifying than the ignorance in the sighted community about what a blind 
  person can do, is the ignorance in the blind community about what a blind 
  person can do. If other blind people can't imagine a blind person doing 
  this or that, then how can we possibly get the sighted community to 
  believe it.

  Incredibly sad story.

  -- 
  Blue skies.
  Dan Rossi
  Carnegie Mellon University.
  E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu <mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu> 
  Tel: (412) 268-9081

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

I just counted my screw drivers.  I have 57 of them.  I must have lost one
or two of them, I thought I had more.

Tom

 

 

 

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Dan Rossi
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:02 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

 

  

Cliff,

I need more screw drivers as I can never seem to find the one particular 
driver I need at any given time.

Your story gives me the heeby geebies. The only thing I find more 
horrifying than the ignorance in the sighted community about what a blind 
person can do, is the ignorance in the blind community about what a blind 
person can do. If other blind people can't imagine a blind person doing 
this or that, then how can we possibly get the sighted community to 
believe it.

Incredibly sad story.

-- 
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu <mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu> 
Tel: (412) 268-9081





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Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-16 Thread Dan Rossi

Cliff,

I need more screw drivers as I can never seem to find the one particular 
driver I need at any given time.

Your story gives me the heeby geebies.  The only thing I find more 
horrifying than the ignorance in the sighted community about what a blind 
person can do, is the ignorance in the blind community about what a blind 
person can do.  If other blind people can't imagine a blind person doing 
this or that, then how can we possibly get the sighted community to 
believe it.

Incredibly sad story.

-- 
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
Tel:(412) 268-9081

RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

Huh?

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Lee A. Stone
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:10 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

 

  


Betsy I had to wait until we cleared the NASA radio channels. Myself 
and many handy men and women are off to three planets I can only 
tell you of one due to limitations ,. that one being Venus. I'll tell 
you more off list. but be advised one of the moderators of this list is 
our communmications specialist. no names mentionmed. Lee

On 
Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 05:48:43PM -1000, Betsy Whitney wrote:
> Clifford,
> Get them all to join the list. That would be 
> quite a project for the list members here, grin...
> 
> Lee, where are you going?
> Betsy
> At 05:44 PM 11/15/2009, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >and all of us here Brother Cliff are glad you were Exposed to the
> >rest of the world . Makes a person feel good if you tried. Now I bet
> >you have a good bit of wooden handled screw drivers in your lot and
> >that is good too. I am out of here in a few mimnutes up u and away. Lee
> >
> >On
> >Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 09:51:45PM
> >-0500, clifford wrote:
> > > Dear List members:
> > > I was in a chat room on a site for blind 
> > folks and their friends, and the subject turned 
> > to the events of the day. My first wife and I 
> > engaged in some spring cleaning in November, 
> > and we can not figure out whether we are behind 
> > several months, or ahead several months. In any 
> > event, I was commenting about my collection of 
> > screw-drivers, which has gotten out of control, 
> > and I am telling all of my friends and family 
> > that this Christmas need not involve screw-drivers.
> > > One of the participants on the site asked me, 
> > "what would a blind person do with a 
> > screw-driver". I explained that I had 
> > disassembled a chair today and reassembled the 
> > good parts from two chairs to make one good 
> > one. This gentleman apparently has not been 
> > exposed to handyman activities at all.
> > > While I don't perform as many tasks as I did 
> > as a younger man, I am astounded at the lack of 
> > opportunity some blind folks have. Their 
> > parents, teachers, and friends have protected 
> > them too much, in my country boy's opinion.
> > >
> > > Yours Truly,
> > >
> > > Clifford Wilson
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >--
> >Moustache rides, 50 cents.
> >.
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 

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Moustache rides, 50 cents.
.





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RE: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

I am a bit confused about your comment about doing something in November
with your first wife.  The month of November is just half over and you have
a second wife in less than one month?

Just curious.

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of clifford
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:52 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

 

  

Dear List members:
I was in a chat room on a site for blind folks and their friends, and the
subject turned to the events of the day. My first wife and I engaged in some
spring cleaning in November, and we can not figure out whether we are behind
several months, or ahead several months. In any event, I was commenting
about my collection of screw-drivers, which has gotten out of control, and I
am telling all of my friends and family that this Christmas need not involve
screw-drivers.
One of the participants on the site asked me, "what would a blind person do
with a screw-driver". I explained that I had disassembled a chair today and
reassembled the good parts from two chairs to make one good one. This
gentleman apparently has not been exposed to handyman activities at all. 
While I don't perform as many tasks as I did as a younger man, I am
astounded at the lack of opportunity some blind folks have. Their parents,
teachers, and friends have protected them too much, in my country boy's
opinion.

Yours Truly,

Clifford Wilson 

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

2009-11-16 Thread john schwery

There is no specific way to fold money.  No one 
showed me; I just made my own system.  If you 
have too many screw drivers, drink them.

earlier, Matt, wrote:
>
>
>Lets us all get in line in front of his sister?
>I want my 20!
>- Original Message -
>From: Lenny McHugh
>To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:20 PM
>Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
>
>Clifford, I can not agree more with your country boy opinion. There is a
>young man who just lost his parents. My daughter is a manager of a Good Will
>Industries shop where she helps mentally and physically challenged
>individuals. She wants me to talk tothis man and I do not know how to talk
>to him. His parents and older sister have totally protected him. He has no
>idea on how to fold money. I don't know how he was educated. When he was a
>child I was asked to talk to his parents. When they saw my talking watch the
>comment was we must get him one so he does not have to learn to tell time.
>My daughter asked him about his money and was informed that his sister gives
>him $20 everyday.
>My parents tried to protect me but I was too stubborn with an independent
>attitude. Lucky for me.By the way I too have way too many screwdrivers.
>- Original Message -
>From: "clifford" <<mailto:clifford%40tds.net>cliff...@tds.net>
>To: <<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:51 PM
>Subject: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question
>
>Dear List members:
>I was in a chat room on a site for blind folks and their friends, and
>the subject turned to the events of the day. My first wife and I engaged in
>some spring cleaning in November, and we can not figure out whether we are
>behind several months, or ahead several months. In any event, I was
>commenting about my collection of screw-drivers, which has gotten out of
>control, and I am telling all of my friends and family that this Christmas
>need not involve screw-drivers.
>One of the participants on the site asked me, "what would a blind
>person do with a screw-driver". I explained that I had disassembled a chair
>today and reassembled the good parts from two chairs to make one good one.
>This gentleman apparently has not been exposed to handyman activities at
>all.
>While I don't perform as many tasks as I did as a younger man, I am
>astounded at the lack of opportunity some blind folks have. Their parents,
>teachers, and friends have protected them too much, in my country boy's
>opinion.
>
>Yours Truly,
>
>Clifford Wilson
>
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>
>
>
>Send any questions regarding list management to:
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

Lets us all get in line in front of his sister?
I want my 20!
- Original Message -
From: Lenny McHugh
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

Clifford, I can not agree more with your country boy opinion. There is a
young man who just lost his parents. My daughter is a manager of a Good Will
Industries shop where she helps mentally and physically challenged
individuals. She wants me to talk tothis man and I do not know how to talk
to him. His parents and older sister have totally protected him. He has no
idea on how to fold money. I don't know how he was educated. When he was a
child I was asked to talk to his parents. When they saw my talking watch the
comment was we must get him one so he does not have to learn to tell time.
My daughter asked him about his money and was informed that his sister gives
him $20 everyday.
My parents tried to protect me but I was too stubborn with an independent
attitude. Lucky for me.By the way I too have way too many screwdrivers.
- Original Message -
From: "clifford"
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:51 PM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] surprising question

Dear List members:
I was in a chat room on a site for blind folks and their friends, and
the subject turned to the events of the day. My first wife and I engaged in
some spring cleaning in November, and we can not figure out whether we are
behind several months, or ahead several months. In any event, I was
commenting about my collection of screw-drivers, which has gotten out of
control, and I am telling all of my friends and family that this Christmas
need not involve screw-drivers.
One of the participants on the site asked me, "what would a blind
person do with a screw-driver". I explained that I had disassembled a chair
today and reassembled the good parts from two chairs to make one good one.
This gentleman apparently has not been exposed to handyman activities at
all.
While I don't perform as many tasks as I did as a younger man, I am
astounded at the lack of opportunity some blind folks have. Their parents,
teachers, and friends have protected them too much, in my country boy's
opinion.

Yours Truly,

Clifford Wilson

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