Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
Of course I don't, I was just making it clear what I did and didn't do. I have encounterd persons before who think speakup should run in a gnome terminal or other graphical terminal. kp On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Does Speakup even work in a Gnome Terminal session? I wouldn't have even thought to try such a thing. And, if that's the case you most certainly shouldn't expect to have Orca and Speaup both sharing a single speech-dispatcher process. I don't believe anyone built those to work that way. Wierd. Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: Yes, I mean that I never attempt to run speakup in a gnome terminal session and I have separate users for text and graphical use. -- Kelly Prescott On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Sorry if this sounds like a weird question, but what do you mean by, "2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session."? Do you mean that during a period when you're using orca, you never use speakup in a text terminal, and that when you're using speakup you do not use the gui? Thanks! Al On 9/6/2017 5:02 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: for what its worth, I use archLinux on all my systems, and I use orca with gnome and gdm. I have never had sound problems, and I use speakup as well. I also have never disabled pulse. I follow these simple rules: 1: I use one user specifically for graphical use. 2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session. This seems to work for me and I just don't have problems with it. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only shows its setup screen. Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
Your problem is most likely with speech-dispatcher, not Orca, especially if you're also using gdm. Restart your speech-dispatcher. You may also need to restart Orca, i.e. from an Alt-F2 command prompt, type 'orca -r' . Linux for blind general discussion writes: > I replaced orca with orca-git and have no better performance. > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 15:32:34 > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > To: blinux-list@redhat.com > > Subject: archlinux gnome and orca package > > > > I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and > > mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it by > > running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times until I > > heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran speaker-test inside > > gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. > > Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when > > started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only > > shows its setup screen. > > Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may or > > may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, and > > alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: speechdispatcher-git
Why do you need gdm? Linux for blind general discussion writes: > It builds but doesn't run. Seems to be missing libdotconf.so.0 and the > libdotconf library doesn't appear to be in the archlinux repositories. I > uncommented lines in speechdispatcher-git PKGBUILD file to enable > speechdispatcher to run as a system-wide process and this may be necessary > for speech to work in graphical user interface on archlinux but I could be > wrong about that. If all of this doesn't work, I know what commands to use > to turn off gdm or lightdm with my archlinux system disk. > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
Does Speakup even work in a Gnome Terminal session? I wouldn't have even thought to try such a thing. And, if that's the case you most certainly shouldn't expect to have Orca and Speaup both sharing a single speech-dispatcher process. I don't believe anyone built those to work that way. Wierd. Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Yes, I mean that I never attempt to run speakup in a gnome terminal session > and I have separate users for text and graphical use. > -- Kelly Prescott > > > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Sorry if this sounds like a weird question, but what do you mean by, "2: > > I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session."? Do you mean > > that during a period when you're using orca, you never use speakup in a > > text terminal, and that when you're using speakup you do not use the > > gui? Thanks! > > > > Al > > > > On 9/6/2017 5:02 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > for what its worth, I use archLinux on all my systems, and I use orca > > > with gnome and gdm. > > > I have never had sound problems, and I use speakup as well. > > > I also have never disabled pulse. > > > I follow these simple rules: > > > 1: I use one user specifically for graphical use. > > > 2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session. > > > This seems to work for me and I just don't have problems with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and > > > > mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it > > > > by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times > > > > until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran > > > > speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. > > > > Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when > > > > started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only > > > > shows its setup screen. > > > > Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may > > > > or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, > > > > and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ___ > > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > ___ > > Blinux-list mailing list > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
Don't worry I'm having the same thing as well. I keep wondering if there if there is a service I need to enable for speech dispatcher or change something in config files. I might try ratpoison with orca. On 9/6/17, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > I replaced orca with orca-git and have no better performance. > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 15:32:34 >> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> >> To: blinux-list@redhat.com >> Subject: archlinux gnome and orca package >> >> I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and mate-extra >> by >> now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it by running >> gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times until I heard >> repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran speaker-test inside >> gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. >> Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when >> started >> even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only shows its >> setup screen. >> Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may or >> may >> not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, and >> alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > -- Seth Hurst hurstseth...@gmail.com ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
I think I understand. I never run speakup in a gnome-terminal session, never thought it would make sense, but I do work as the same user in the text terminals as with the gui. None too sure I want to change that, but I should give it a look. Al On 9/6/2017 6:52 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Yes, I mean that I never attempt to run speakup in a gnome terminal session and I have separate users for text and graphical use. -- Kelly Prescott On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Sorry if this sounds like a weird question, but what do you mean by, "2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session."? Do you mean that during a period when you're using orca, you never use speakup in a text terminal, and that when you're using speakup you do not use the gui? Thanks! Al On 9/6/2017 5:02 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: for what its worth, I use archLinux on all my systems, and I use orca with gnome and gdm. I have never had sound problems, and I use speakup as well. I also have never disabled pulse. I follow these simple rules: 1: I use one user specifically for graphical use. 2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session. This seems to work for me and I just don't have problems with it. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and > mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it > by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times > until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran > speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. > Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when > started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only > shows its setup screen. > Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may > or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, > and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Accessible music services on Linux?
Hi, I mainly use Google Play Music since it's one of the few streaming services available in South Africa. The web version is quite accessible, with keystrokes like plus and minus to control the volume, and space, right arrow and left arrow for play, next and previous respectively. It works quite well with Firefox and Orca, as well as Chrome with Chromevox. Regards, Rynhardt On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion < blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > I had zero success with Pandora. I'm currently trying out Spodify's > web player but it's difficult to use and has no perceiveable volume > control. Either of these might have an accessible iPhone app but I > want to listen with headphones on my computer while I code. > What services do y'all use? > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Accessible music services on Linux?
I hadn't tried Google Play Music in Firefox for a rather long time, as the last time I loaded it into Firefox, it told me to download that deprecated Flash player plugin. I had been loading it into Chromium since it worked without it there. However, I can see now that they fixed that, and no plugin is necessary to use Google Play Music with Firefox. Good to know this works now. ~Kyle ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: speech-dispatcher 1.87
With this situation in place, running spd-say with a string of text in quotes does speak that string of text. So spd-say is not a valid test for speech-dispatcher if making that run and talk should indicate the package can start up under systemd. On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 10:45:55 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: speech-dispatcher 1.87 I can't get speechd to start under systemd. The program errors out and the entries in journalctl -xe and systemctl status speechd are a waste of time to read since those provide no clue as to the reason for the error. Error code is 1. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
speech-dispatcher 1.87
I can't get speechd to start under systemd. The program errors out and the entries in journalctl -xe and systemctl status speechd are a waste of time to read since those provide no clue as to the reason for the error. Error code is 1. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: speechdispatcher-git
because I tried lightdm first and that didn't work either. On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 07:44:51 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git Why do you need gdm? Linux for blind general discussion writes: It builds but doesn't run. Seems to be missing libdotconf.so.0 and the libdotconf library doesn't appear to be in the archlinux repositories. I uncommented lines in speechdispatcher-git PKGBUILD file to enable speechdispatcher to run as a system-wide process and this may be necessary for speech to work in graphical user interface on archlinux but I could be wrong about that. If all of this doesn't work, I know what commands to use to turn off gdm or lightdm with my archlinux system disk. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: speechdispatcher-git
Curiosity for the most part. I wouldn't do auto-login on a machine. On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 18:59:25 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git OK, let me try to be a bit more specific. Why do you think you need a graphical login manager? What, exactly is it doing for you? I ask this question because the easiest way to avoid the problems handing off speech from the dm to the gnome session with orca is to not use a dm at all. Options include autologin on the console, or standard console login, followed by startx which can reliably start Orca and speech-dispatcher. Linux for blind general discussion writes: because I tried lightdm first and that didn't work either. On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 07:44:51 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git Why do you need gdm? Linux for blind general discussion writes: It builds but doesn't run. Seems to be missing libdotconf.so.0 and the libdotconf library doesn't appear to be in the archlinux repositories. I uncommented lines in speechdispatcher-git PKGBUILD file to enable speechdispatcher to run as a system-wide process and this may be necessary for speech to work in graphical user interface on archlinux but I could be wrong about that. If all of this doesn't work, I know what commands to use to turn off gdm or lightdm with my archlinux system disk. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: speech-dispatcher 1.87
espeakup as has already been mentioned does not work with orca. When I did what I did with speechd, this time it was in a console setting without any of the g.u.i. and I did that to isolate speechd so I might better assess its performance. On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 19:00:24 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: speech-dispatcher 1.87 Try espeakup instead of speechd Linux for blind general discussion writes: I can't get speechd to start under systemd. The program errors out and the entries in journalctl -xe and systemctl status speechd are a waste of time to read since those provide no clue as to the reason for the error. Error code is 1. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: speech-dispatcher 1.87
Try espeakup instead of speechd Linux for blind general discussion writes: > I can't get speechd to start under systemd. The program errors out and the > entries in journalctl -xe and systemctl status speechd are a waste of time > to read since those provide no clue as to the reason for the error. Error > code is 1. > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: speechdispatcher-git
OK, let me try to be a bit more specific. Why do you think you need a graphical login manager? What, exactly is it doing for you? I ask this question because the easiest way to avoid the problems handing off speech from the dm to the gnome session with orca is to not use a dm at all. Options include autologin on the console, or standard console login, followed by startx which can reliably start Orca and speech-dispatcher. Linux for blind general discussion writes: > because I tried lightdm first and that didn't work either. > > On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 07:44:51 > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git > > > > Why do you need gdm? > > > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > > It builds but doesn't run. Seems to be missing libdotconf.so.0 and the > > > libdotconf library doesn't appear to be in the archlinux repositories. I > > > uncommented lines in speechdispatcher-git PKGBUILD file to enable > > > speechdispatcher to run as a system-wide process and this may be necessary > > > for speech to work in graphical user interface on archlinux but I could be > > > wrong about that. If all of this doesn't work, I know what commands to > > > use > > > to turn off gdm or lightdm with my archlinux system disk. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: speechdispatcher-git
To be fully certain, you might try the command immediately after booting. You should run the command before issuing any other having absolutely anything to do with sound, i.e. not dispatching speech-dispatcher. Linux for blind general discussion writes: > The sound system isn't perfect. When I used paplay to play an .oga file I > got xcb_connection_has_error() returned true. > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 06:08:04 > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git > > > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > > Curiosity for the most part. I wouldn't do auto-login on a machine. > > > > > > > For the most part that's probably the best approach. However, there are > > exceptions, and the current discussion illustrates one such. > > > > We're being asked to help someone get their Orca plus speech-dispatcher > > setup working. As with any debugging situation, if the problem isn't > > immediately obvious, a good approach is to simplify the environment in > > order to isolate the issue. > > > > So, in the current instance, launching startx from a standard text > > console would quickly show whether there are issues specifically with > > the Orca setup, or not. The only caveat here is any required unique startx > > tweak, probably an .xinitrc with: > > > > exec gnome-session > > > > Yes, it's possibly the case that one could just as easily login on the > > text console, but that can require some configuration, too, e.g. > > possibly the beep on backspace hasn't been configured. That wouldn't be > > an issue with Speakup, or some other console level screen reader, of > > course. And, one could always test the console environment with with a > > beep command like: > > > > echo Ctrl+g > > > > Now, if the situation is such that multiple individuals use the > > computer, some solution involving gdm is clearly desirable. But, if > > there's only one person using the computer, I strongly question the > > value of gdm, though login to the computer is probably still advisable. > > > > But, if this individual, the only one using the computer, also lives > > alone and rarely entertains untrusted individuals, even an auto login > > could be reasonable. > > > > Just my thoughts here. > > > > Janina > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 18:59:25 > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git > > > > > > > > OK, let me try to be a bit more specific. > > > > > > > > Why do you think you need a graphical login manager? What, exactly is it > > > > doing for you? > > > > > > > > I ask this question because the easiest way to avoid the problems > > > > handing off speech from the dm to the gnome session with orca is to not > > > > use a dm at all. Options include autologin on the console, or standard > > > > console login, followed by startx which can reliably start Orca and > > > > speech-dispatcher. > > > > > > > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > > > > because I tried lightdm first and that didn't work either. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 07:44:51 > > > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you need gdm? > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > > > > > > It builds but doesn't run. Seems to be missing libdotconf.so.0 > > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > libdotconf library doesn't appear to be in the archlinux > > > > > > > repositories. I > > > > > > > uncommented lines in speechdispat
Re: pulseaudio error
I had a look at lsof man page and that is formidible! If I use this utility I will be doing it for my first time. I'll try lsof alsa and lsof pulseaudio and see what returns. On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 04:52:13 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: pulseaudio error Try commands like: ps -ef pidof [some.command] Or, look at lsof output. Linux for blind general discussion writes: xcb_connection_has_error() returned true That's what google is telling me about that. One google entry noted a stail pid but that doesn't appear to be the case here. When I ran journalctl -xe|grep -i pulseaudio I only got four lines back and none of them noted a stail pid. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
Cables are standard. I don't recall what the female connector end is called, but it's a standard USB extension cable type of connector, i.e. you can plug one end of the cable into the other. Perkins sells the cables on line, as ell as 4Gb NlS-style cartridges. I believe LS and APH also sell them. The cartridges need to be VFAT formatted. hth Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Okay, I'v managed to find Perkins branded Digital Cartridges on > Amazon, but there doesn't seem to be any listings for the cables. Does > anyone know if the cartridges include the cables? Either way, I'm > tempted to pick up a 16GB cartridge as a stop gap for playing the > encrypted files if I can't figure out how to play them on my Blaze ET > or Linux PC, though considering how anemic 16GB is for storage this > day and age, I find myself wondering if my digital cartridge player > can play audiobooks stored on an SD card in a dongle-style reader > connected to the USB port on the side of the player. *Tries it with > the 256GB card from my Blaze ET.* Okay, its been beeping for a few > minutes and the pause, fast forward, and rewind buttons just play a > please wait message with no explanation. I can only assume its trying > to scan the SD card for compatible files. > > Given a suggestion to use a standard tape deck to rip two of a > cassette's four tracks at a time and do post processing to account for > tapes having non-standard formats, I've been searching for a suitable > one on Amazon, and while there are several rather affordable models > designed specifically for converting cassettes to digital files, it > isn't always clear which models are stand-alone, which rely on a PC > and specific drivers, and which should work with any recording device > with a line-in/microphone jack, and many sound like they're hardcoded > to output mp3, which I deem completely unacceptable in this age of > terabyte harddrives and 256GB memory cards, and even cutting record > time by more than half isn't worth lossy compression when I already > have a recording device with line-in and wav support, and there's no > mention of sample rate or bit depth on any of the product pages I've > checked. If anyone has any suggestions for cutting through the cruft, > it would be greatly appreciated. > > I've only ever used sox for concatenating flac files, but I understand > its one of the most versatile command line tools for manipulating > streamed audio. Can anyone provide instructions on how to do the > following tasks in sox or via another command line tool? > > -Reversing an audio stream in a way equivalent to playing an audio > cassette backwards. > -Altering the sample rate for playback without altering the samples > themselves. Also, am I correct that, if your analog source is playing > at double speed, you'd want to record at twice the target sample rate > before slowing the recording down? > -Splitting multi-channel files into single channels files or merging > single-channel files into multi-channel files. > -Trimming silence to a given length at the biginning/end of a stream > or splitting a stream into multiple files in the middle of internal > silence exceeding a certain length. > -Anything else that might be useful for the task at hand. > > Oh, and my digital cartridge player eventually finished whatever it > was doing, but still offered no explanation, not even a "no content > found" message. The contents of my SD card seems unaffected putting it > back in my Blaze ET. > > Sincerely, > > Jeffery Wright > President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. > Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: pulseaudio error
Try commands like: ps -ef pidof [some.command] Or, look at lsof output. Linux for blind general discussion writes: > xcb_connection_has_error() returned true > That's what google is telling me about that. One google entry noted a stail > pid but that doesn't appear to be the case here. When I ran journalctl > -xe|grep -i pulseaudio I only got four lines back and none of them noted a > stail pid. > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: startx missing twm and xclock
Something else interesting came up when I ran: sudo -H Xorg -configure specifically, a segmentation fault at address 0x50. This is an old amd k8 Athelon system so may be too old to run xorg I don't know. I did install xorg-xclock and xorg-twm and startx takes me into a windowed environment though commands I key in have no effect for some reason. I'm going to try running startx and then do control-alt-backspace and see if that will even shut xorg down. On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 07:10:34 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: startx missing twm and xclock Is xclock useable in screen reader accessibility context for xorg? What is the best choice for a wm for screen reader accessibility context? With startx, how is it run so startx goes into configuration mode? For this last question startx writes output to stderr and I haven't yet been able to capture it with less so I can examine it in detail. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
startx missing twm and xclock
Is xclock useable in screen reader accessibility context for xorg? What is the best choice for a wm for screen reader accessibility context? With startx, how is it run so startx goes into configuration mode? For this last question startx writes output to stderr and I haven't yet been able to capture it with less so I can examine it in detail. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: speechdispatcher-git
I put paplay /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo/alarm-clock-elapsed.oga in my .bashrc file as the second line in the file. Interesting results too, but I don't know what these mean. On boot up from a poweroff state, the sound file plays with no error. Any subsequent attempt to play the sound file has the error statement come back. On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 04:50:37 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git To be fully certain, you might try the command immediately after booting. You should run the command before issuing any other having absolutely anything to do with sound, i.e. not dispatching speech-dispatcher. Linux for blind general discussion writes: The sound system isn't perfect. When I used paplay to play an .oga file I got xcb_connection_has_error() returned true. On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 06:08:04 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git Linux for blind general discussion writes: Curiosity for the most part. I wouldn't do auto-login on a machine. For the most part that's probably the best approach. However, there are exceptions, and the current discussion illustrates one such. We're being asked to help someone get their Orca plus speech-dispatcher setup working. As with any debugging situation, if the problem isn't immediately obvious, a good approach is to simplify the environment in order to isolate the issue. So, in the current instance, launching startx from a standard text console would quickly show whether there are issues specifically with the Orca setup, or not. The only caveat here is any required unique startx tweak, probably an .xinitrc with: exec gnome-session Yes, it's possibly the case that one could just as easily login on the text console, but that can require some configuration, too, e.g. possibly the beep on backspace hasn't been configured. That wouldn't be an issue with Speakup, or some other console level screen reader, of course. And, one could always test the console environment with with a beep command like: echo Ctrl+g Now, if the situation is such that multiple individuals use the computer, some solution involving gdm is clearly desirable. But, if there's only one person using the computer, I strongly question the value of gdm, though login to the computer is probably still advisable. But, if this individual, the only one using the computer, also lives alone and rarely entertains untrusted individuals, even an auto login could be reasonable. Just my thoughts here. Janina On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 18:59:25 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git OK, let me try to be a bit more specific. Why do you think you need a graphical login manager? What, exactly is it doing for you? I ask this question because the easiest way to avoid the problems handing off speech from the dm to the gnome session with orca is to not use a dm at all. Options include autologin on the console, or standard console login, followed by startx which can reliably start Orca and speech-dispatcher. Linux for blind general discussion writes: because I tried lightdm first and that didn't work either. On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 07:44:51 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git Why do you need gdm? Linux for blind general discussion writes: It builds but doesn't run. Seems to be missing libdotconf.so.0 and the libdotconf library doesn't appear to be in the archlinux repositories. I uncommented lines in speechdispatcher-git PKGBUILD file to enable speechdispatcher to run as a system-wide process and this may be necessary for speech to work in graphical user interface on archlinux but I could be wrong about that. If all of this doesn't work, I know what commands to use to turn off gdm or lightdm with my archlinux system disk. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com htt
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
After figuring out how to get Amazon to show me everything being sold on the Amazon Marketplace by Perkins, I found that they offer a Belkin USB extension cable. Given the context, I'm assuming this particular cable either lacks the usual guard on the female end, has a guard thin enough to fit the gap around the cartridge's male connector, or has been modified by Perkins to remove the guard. In any event, I've ordered one of these cables(at worst, I'm out five dollars and have another spare cable in my box of cables). And yeah, paying closer attention, Amazon gives a back-in-stock date of November 1st for the 16GB carts. Interesting to hear that the player runs on Linux and has gone so long without a firmware upgrade. Feels like forever ago that Linux 3.0 came out and that anything using a 2.x kernel should be in a museum rather than on production machines(even if the machines in question are players designed for a very specific format and were produced as a replacement for older tech that was more than a decade overdue for replacement(though, considering that NLS format cassettes could fit up to 8 hours compared with CD's 80 minutes, I can see why they stuck with cassettes long after everyone else abandoned them). -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
RE: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
The cartridges are typically formatted as FAT32. A cable doesn't come with a cartridge, and as you discovered, it's not quite standard. I think it will be a few extra weeks before a 16 GB cartridge becomes available. The NLS player has a second USB port on its right side, behind the headphone jack. This was originally intended for diagnostics and for remote control. But if a cartridge is not connected to the cartridge port, you can play content from a USB stick attached to this side port. The port is normally covered by a tiny pop-off piece of plastic. Since the NLS player is an 11-year-old design running Linux 2.4.2 on a 266-MHz ARM processor with 16 megs of RAM, it has some trouble coping with really large drives containing thousands of files. And it cannot unzip anything. But it has been used successfully with drives of up to 64 GB in size. Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Staff Engineer National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, Library of Congress Washington, DC 20542 202-707-0535 http://www.loc.gov/nls/ The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress, NLS. -Original Message- From: blinux-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:blinux-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Linux for blind general discussion Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 4:48 AM To: Linux for blind general discussion Cc: IAVIT Tech Talk List Subject: Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges. Cables are standard. I don't recall what the female connector end is called, but it's a standard USB extension cable type of connector, i.e. you can plug one end of the cable into the other. Perkins sells the cables on line, as ell as 4Gb NlS-style cartridges. I believe LS and APH also sell them. The cartridges need to be VFAT formatted. hth Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Okay, I'v managed to find Perkins branded Digital Cartridges on > Amazon, but there doesn't seem to be any listings for the cables. Does > anyone know if the cartridges include the cables? Either way, I'm > tempted to pick up a 16GB cartridge as a stop gap for playing the > encrypted files if I can't figure out how to play them on my Blaze ET > or Linux PC, though considering how anemic 16GB is for storage this > day and age, I find myself wondering if my digital cartridge player > can play audiobooks stored on an SD card in a dongle-style reader > connected to the USB port on the side of the player. *Tries it with > the 256GB card from my Blaze ET.* Okay, its been beeping for a few > minutes and the pause, fast forward, and rewind buttons just play a > please wait message with no explanation. I can only assume its trying > to scan the SD card for compatible files. > > Given a suggestion to use a standard tape deck to rip two of a > cassette's four tracks at a time and do post processing to account for > tapes having non-standard formats, I've been searching for a suitable > one on Amazon, and while there are several rather affordable models > designed specifically for converting cassettes to digital files, it > isn't always clear which models are stand-alone, which rely on a PC > and specific drivers, and which should work with any recording device > with a line-in/microphone jack, and many sound like they're hardcoded > to output mp3, which I deem completely unacceptable in this age of > terabyte harddrives and 256GB memory cards, and even cutting record > time by more than half isn't worth lossy compression when I already > have a recording device with line-in and wav support, and there's no > mention of sample rate or bit depth on any of the product pages I've > checked. If anyone has any suggestions for cutting through the cruft, > it would be greatly appreciated. > > I've only ever used sox for concatenating flac files, but I understand > its one of the most versatile command line tools for manipulating > streamed audio. Can anyone provide instructions on how to do the > following tasks in sox or via another command line tool? > > -Reversing an audio stream in a way equivalent to playing an audio > cassette backwards. > -Altering the sample rate for playback without altering the samples > themselves. Also, am I correct that, if your analog source is playing > at double speed, you'd want to record at twice the target sample rate > before slowing the recording down? > -Splitting multi-channel files into single channels files or merging > single-channel files into multi-channel files. > -Trimming silence to a given length at the biginning/end of a stream > or splitting a stream into multiple files in the middle of internal > silence exceeding a certain length. > -Anything else that might be useful for the task at hand. > > Oh, and my digital cartridge player eventually finis
RE: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
There have been player firmware updates. The latest available on our website is version 2.1.7, from late in 2011. There are other updates that address minor issues. One of them is 2.1.8, which treats magazine cartridges in a somewhat different manner. Switching major Linux versions would have been a really costly effort. As I understand, one of the issues has to do with our practice of suspending and resuming connections with USB cartridges, so that they don't draw power from the battery continuously. We really didn't want to mess up something that is working quite reliably for most patrons most of the time. We are working on new players, but development of the next generation of NLS hardware is at a very early stage.. Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Staff Engineer National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, Library of Congress Washington, DC 20542 202-707-0535 http://www.loc.gov/nls/ The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress, NLS. -Original Message- From: blinux-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:blinux-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Linux for blind general discussion Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 11:35 AM To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges. After figuring out how to get Amazon to show me everything being sold on the Amazon Marketplace by Perkins, I found that they offer a Belkin USB extension cable. Given the context, I'm assuming this particular cable either lacks the usual guard on the female end, has a guard thin enough to fit the gap around the cartridge's male connector, or has been modified by Perkins to remove the guard. In any event, I've ordered one of these cables(at worst, I'm out five dollars and have another spare cable in my box of cables). And yeah, paying closer attention, Amazon gives a back-in-stock date of November 1st for the 16GB carts. Interesting to hear that the player runs on Linux and has gone so long without a firmware upgrade. Feels like forever ago that Linux 3.0 came out and that anything using a 2.x kernel should be in a museum rather than on production machines(even if the machines in question are players designed for a very specific format and were produced as a replacement for older tech that was more than a decade overdue for replacement(though, considering that NLS format cassettes could fit up to 8 hours compared with CD's 80 minutes, I can see why they stuck with cassettes long after everyone else abandoned them). -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
RE: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
I'll answer at least some of your questions. First of all, you can save yourself a lot of aggravation by setting up an account on BARD, the NLS Braille and Audio Reading Download service. Magazines recorded by NLS since about 2007 are all available on the site. Books that originally were distributed on 4-track cassette are being converted to digital from the open-reel masters. The conversion process is nearly complete, and most of these books sound much better than they did on cassette. Your regional library should be able to get you a cable for connecting a computer to a cartridge; it's one of our lesser-known free accessories. Also, several agencies that sell blank cartridges also sell compatible USB cables for about $5. The file system for digital talking books from NLS is FAT32. The audio is encrypted, so you will need to transfer each magazine issue as a folder of files to be played by your HIMS player. If you haven't already done so, you'll need to authorize your player for use of NLS content. If you have more questions, you can write back to me at l...@loc.gov . Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Staff Engineer National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, Library of Congress Washington, DC 20542 202-707-0535 http://www.loc.gov/nls/ The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress, NLS. -Original Message- From: blinux-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:blinux-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Linux for blind general discussion Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 12:51 PM To: . fIAVIT Tech Talk List; Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges. Okay, this isn't strictly Linux related and is more a hardware issue, but I'll be using a Linux PC in text-mode for anything in the solution the requires my PC. Okay, so I want to rip my collection of 4-track audio cassettes, but none of them are the standard format used for Music back in the days before CDs. Some of them are Library for the Blind/Free Matter for the Blind format(i.e. half-speed and mono, playback in a regular tape player would result in doubled speed and different parts of the program overlapping), and some are 2-XL format(i.e. normal speed, mono, with tracks 2/4 reversed. Playback in a normal player results in program overlap on side 1 and reversed playback on side 2). I have the means to play these tapes properly(a library for the blind tape deck and a Tiger 2XL Robot) as well as a portable media player with line-in recording(a blaze ET) and the right kind of cable to connect cassette player's earphone jack to recorder's line-in jack, but it seems rather tedius to rely on a method that takes the full run time of the source(or 4 times the run time for the 2XL tapes) to make a digital copy, and I would assume such is far from being the least lossy means of ripping cassette tapes not to mention that the resulting rips of a 2XL tape might not be in sync. Ideally, I'd like a method that would be able to capture all 4 tracks from a cassette in a single pass and at an accelerated pace and account for the oddities of format in the tapes I'm working with(i.e. extra speed correction on the LFB/FMB tapes and joining the tracks as single mono stream instead of pairwise into a stereo stream, composing the 2XL tapes into a single quad channel stream while accomodating two of the tracks being reversed on tape), and with minimum loss of fidelity. Also, if anyone knows a command line program that, given a multi-channel stream, can play one channel at the time and switch between them on the fly with a single keypress, that would be useful. Also, perhaps the easier problem, since its dealing with current tech rather than tech from 25+ years ago, I recieve several audio magazine subscriptions on digital cartridge, and depending on what else is on my plate, I sometimes struggle to find enough time to listen to a cartridge's contents within the window I have before I need to mail the cartridge back. I would like to extract the content of the cartridges so I can listen at my leisure and put them on my Blaze ET, which is far more portable than the digital cartridge player I have(it's nice for home listening, but completely unwieldy for listening on the go). The cartridges are basically just flash drives, but the casing is shaped in a way that prevents plugging them into a USB port on a desktop computer, and while a USB extension cable seems like the obvious solution, every such cable I've ever owned has a guard around the connector on the end the cartridge would plug in to, again preventing the connection. Assuming there's no proprietary filesystem on the cartridge, the solution should be as simple as finding a USB extension cable with unguarded connectors, mounting the cartridge on my PC and copying files, but I'm not sure how to find such a cable, and my attempts to remove the guard from
speechdispatcher-git
It builds but doesn't run. Seems to be missing libdotconf.so.0 and the libdotconf library doesn't appear to be in the archlinux repositories. I uncommented lines in speechdispatcher-git PKGBUILD file to enable speechdispatcher to run as a system-wide process and this may be necessary for speech to work in graphical user interface on archlinux but I could be wrong about that. If all of this doesn't work, I know what commands to use to turn off gdm or lightdm with my archlinux system disk. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
After that failure, I removed gnome and gnome-extra from this system. So far as I can find out on this end, archlinux works great with espeakup doesn't work any longer with emacspeak and speechdispatcher and orca not at all. Until I find far better documentation on how to actually get these other screen readers running and talking on archlinux I'll confine graphical user interface stuff to other disks and other systems. Next time I try to solve a captcha on Linux, I'll put a call up to be my eyes and see what can be done that way since firefox is dodgey in terms of being able to work with webvisum. On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 07:05:14 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: archlinux gnome and orca package Don't worry I'm having the same thing as well. I keep wondering if there if there is a service I need to enable for speech dispatcher or change something in config files. I might try ratpoison with orca. On 9/6/17, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: I replaced orca with orca-git and have no better performance. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 15:32:34 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: archlinux gnome and orca package I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only shows its setup screen. Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
Ok, I know that there is a kind of cable that works with those digital cartridges. I guess that the drives just have a regular file system on them. The NLS digital book player is linux based and there should be no reason for the file system to be different. The files on there are .3gp files so you would have to have a program that could play them. Just download a book from bard and look at the kinds of files in that zip archive. If you want to test it, just unpack the book in a dedicated folder on your machine and try to see if anything other than protected.mp3 will play. I have heard that there is some kind of encryption on these files but I am not sure how simple it would be to crack if, indeed, it is there. You can download the zip archive of the latest firmware from the bard website and see if you can get it running on your computer. If so, problem solved. In the case of those cassettes, there is no way that I am familiar with to get them on digital without using the full runtime of the source. This is a bummer and a time consumer, but I have done some of them for my parents and for my girlfriend, and I just recorded them with something like sox or ecasound and let it go at that. Hope this helps. Doug Smith ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
Okay, this isn't strictly Linux related and is more a hardware issue, but I'll be using a Linux PC in text-mode for anything in the solution the requires my PC. Okay, so I want to rip my collection of 4-track audio cassettes, but none of them are the standard format used for Music back in the days before CDs. Some of them are Library for the Blind/Free Matter for the Blind format(i.e. half-speed and mono, playback in a regular tape player would result in doubled speed and different parts of the program overlapping), and some are 2-XL format(i.e. normal speed, mono, with tracks 2/4 reversed. Playback in a normal player results in program overlap on side 1 and reversed playback on side 2). I have the means to play these tapes properly(a library for the blind tape deck and a Tiger 2XL Robot) as well as a portable media player with line-in recording(a blaze ET) and the right kind of cable to connect cassette player's earphone jack to recorder's line-in jack, but it seems rather tedius to rely on a method that takes the full run time of the source(or 4 times the run time for the 2XL tapes) to make a digital copy, and I would assume such is far from being the least lossy means of ripping cassette tapes not to mention that the resulting rips of a 2XL tape might not be in sync. Ideally, I'd like a method that would be able to capture all 4 tracks from a cassette in a single pass and at an accelerated pace and account for the oddities of format in the tapes I'm working with(i.e. extra speed correction on the LFB/FMB tapes and joining the tracks as single mono stream instead of pairwise into a stereo stream, composing the 2XL tapes into a single quad channel stream while accomodating two of the tracks being reversed on tape), and with minimum loss of fidelity. Also, if anyone knows a command line program that, given a multi-channel stream, can play one channel at the time and switch between them on the fly with a single keypress, that would be useful. Also, perhaps the easier problem, since its dealing with current tech rather than tech from 25+ years ago, I recieve several audio magazine subscriptions on digital cartridge, and depending on what else is on my plate, I sometimes struggle to find enough time to listen to a cartridge's contents within the window I have before I need to mail the cartridge back. I would like to extract the content of the cartridges so I can listen at my leisure and put them on my Blaze ET, which is far more portable than the digital cartridge player I have(it's nice for home listening, but completely unwieldy for listening on the go). The cartridges are basically just flash drives, but the casing is shaped in a way that prevents plugging them into a USB port on a desktop computer, and while a USB extension cable seems like the obvious solution, every such cable I've ever owned has a guard around the connector on the end the cartridge would plug in to, again preventing the connection. Assuming there's no proprietary filesystem on the cartridge, the solution should be as simple as finding a USB extension cable with unguarded connectors, mounting the cartridge on my PC and copying files, but I'm not sure how to find such a cable, and my attempts to remove the guard from a cable myself resulted in ruined cables. Any assistance with either of these issues would be greatly appreciated. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
archlinux gnome and orca package
I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only shows its setup screen. Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
I replaced orca with orca-git and have no better performance. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 15:32:34 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: archlinux gnome and orca package I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only shows its setup screen. Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
for what its worth, I use archLinux on all my systems, and I use orca with gnome and gdm. I have never had sound problems, and I use speakup as well. I also have never disabled pulse. I follow these simple rules: 1: I use one user specifically for graphical use. 2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session. This seems to work for me and I just don't have problems with it. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only shows its setup screen. Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
Thank you, Lloyd, for your informative reply. I have submitted a request to be mailed an application, and find myself hopeful that BARD will prove more accessible than commercial digital content services. As most of my old cassettes are newer than the time frame you mention, I'm hopeful I'll be able to replace them with the higher quality downloads and perhaps even download older issues from before I started keeping the cassettes. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
Probably off topic, APH and NBP were selling blank NLS cartridges and a cable. If you have that cable, you can copy any regular NLS cartridge and play it on an authorized player. Or you could download it from the NLS web site. On 9/7/2017 12:51 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Okay, this isn't strictly Linux related and is more a hardware issue, but I'll be using a Linux PC in text-mode for anything in the solution the requires my PC. Okay, so I want to rip my collection of 4-track audio cassettes, but none of them are the standard format used for Music back in the days before CDs. Some of them are Library for the Blind/Free Matter for the Blind format(i.e. half-speed and mono, playback in a regular tape player would result in doubled speed and different parts of the program overlapping), and some are 2-XL format(i.e. normal speed, mono, with tracks 2/4 reversed. Playback in a normal player results in program overlap on side 1 and reversed playback on side 2). I have the means to play these tapes properly(a library for the blind tape deck and a Tiger 2XL Robot) as well as a portable media player with line-in recording(a blaze ET) and the right kind of cable to connect cassette player's earphone jack to recorder's line-in jack, but it seems rather tedius to rely on a method that takes the full run time of the source(or 4 times the run time for the 2XL tapes) to make a digital copy, and I would assume such is far from being the least lossy means of ripping cassette tapes not to mention that the resulting rips of a 2XL tape might not be in sync. Ideally, I'd like a method that would be able to capture all 4 tracks from a cassette in a single pass and at an accelerated pace and account for the oddities of format in the tapes I'm working with(i.e. extra speed correction on the LFB/FMB tapes and joining the tracks as single mono stream instead of pairwise into a stereo stream, composing the 2XL tapes into a single quad channel stream while accomodating two of the tracks being reversed on tape), and with minimum loss of fidelity. Also, if anyone knows a command line program that, given a multi-channel stream, can play one channel at the time and switch between them on the fly with a single keypress, that would be useful. Also, perhaps the easier problem, since its dealing with current tech rather than tech from 25+ years ago, I recieve several audio magazine subscriptions on digital cartridge, and depending on what else is on my plate, I sometimes struggle to find enough time to listen to a cartridge's contents within the window I have before I need to mail the cartridge back. I would like to extract the content of the cartridges so I can listen at my leisure and put them on my Blaze ET, which is far more portable than the digital cartridge player I have(it's nice for home listening, but completely unwieldy for listening on the go). The cartridges are basically just flash drives, but the casing is shaped in a way that prevents plugging them into a USB port on a desktop computer, and while a USB extension cable seems like the obvious solution, every such cable I've ever owned has a guard around the connector on the end the cartridge would plug in to, again preventing the connection. Assuming there's no proprietary filesystem on the cartridge, the solution should be as simple as finding a USB extension cable with unguarded connectors, mounting the cartridge on my PC and copying files, but I'm not sure how to find such a cable, and my attempts to remove the guard from a cable myself resulted in ruined cables. Any assistance with either of these issues would be greatly appreciated. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
Sorry if this sounds like a weird question, but what do you mean by, "2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session."? Do you mean that during a period when you're using orca, you never use speakup in a text terminal, and that when you're using speakup you do not use the gui? Thanks! Al On 9/6/2017 5:02 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: for what its worth, I use archLinux on all my systems, and I use orca with gnome and gdm. I have never had sound problems, and I use speakup as well. I also have never disabled pulse. I follow these simple rules: 1: I use one user specifically for graphical use. 2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session. This seems to work for me and I just don't have problems with it. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only shows its setup screen. Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: archlinux gnome and orca package
Yes, I mean that I never attempt to run speakup in a gnome terminal session and I have separate users for text and graphical use. -- Kelly Prescott On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Sorry if this sounds like a weird question, but what do you mean by, "2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session."? Do you mean that during a period when you're using orca, you never use speakup in a text terminal, and that when you're using speakup you do not use the gui? Thanks! Al On 9/6/2017 5:02 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: for what its worth, I use archLinux on all my systems, and I use orca with gnome and gdm. I have never had sound problems, and I use speakup as well. I also have never disabled pulse. I follow these simple rules: 1: I use one user specifically for graphical use. 2: I never try to use speakup and orca in the same session. This seems to work for me and I just don't have problems with it. On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I have gnome and gnome-extra on the system and removed mate and > mate-extra by now. I have managed to login with gnome and proved it > by running gnome-terminal then using the backspace key a few times > until I heard repeated beeps each time I hit the key. I ran > speaker-test inside gnome-terminal and heard static on speakers too. > Unfortunately, orca for archlinux is packaged incorrectly since when > started even under these conditions orca does not talk at all but only > shows its setup screen. > Also, orca.desktop file did not come in the orca package and that may > or may not contribute to the problems. running orca, orca --replace, > and alt-super-s in turn failed to bring orca up talking. > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Accessible music services on Linux?
I had zero success with Pandora. I'm currently trying out Spodify's web player but it's difficult to use and has no perceiveable volume control. Either of these might have an accessible iPhone app but I want to listen with headphones on my computer while I code. What services do y'all use? ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Accessible music services on Linux?
Tim here. Have you tried "pianobar" as a command-line interface to Pandora? For Spotify, there's "shpotify" https://github.com/hnarayanan/shpotify which isn't in my Debian repo, but might do what you need to listen there. I'm afraid I don't do much streaming music as I just have accrued a large MP3 collection and use `cmus` as my local client for that. -tim On September 6, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I had zero success with Pandora. I'm currently trying out Spodify's > web player but it's difficult to use and has no perceiveable volume > control. Either of these might have an accessible iPhone app but I > want to listen with headphones on my computer while I code. > What services do y'all use? > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
Remember the Talking Book Player caters to a lot more then mobile device toting patrons. The cassette player we used to have was a tank compared to Walkmans and the like. I'm OK with the design of the current player, and I'm glad they put ease of use and durability at the top of the requirements queue. If I want a portable player, I have my Booksense and my smart phones. On 09/12/2017 10:08 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I'm one of those who like the big buttons and the decent speaker of the NLS digital player, but you make a good point about the value of a device you can put in your pocket. Al On 09/11/2017 08:22 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: My apologies if it sounded like I was complaining. I'm actually pleasantly surprised the players are Linux based as opposed to something custom or even Windows based, and honestly, sticking to a working model for a decade is actually kind of refreshing compared to the mainstream electronics manufacturers who release some trivial redesign every few months and try to push some resource hogging bit of eyecandy or some alpha quality new feature that breaks or replaces existing functionality that actually works on older models as a reason to spend hundreds of dollars on a device with only marginally better specs. If I have a complaint unique to the NLS player(limited file format support and DRM are endemic problems with digital media players and digital media distribution respectively and a wide range of devices don't let the user swap in a spare battery), it's the fact the players are bulky compared to just about anything battery powered made this century. Granted, I imagine their are plenty of NLS patrons that appreciate the overly large buttons and the large, room filling speaker, but a cartridge player that could fit in my pocket or in my fanny pack with all my other gadgets would still be nice. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Christopher (CJ) Chaltain at Gmail ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
APH used to sell a 4-track player/recorder. It also had the 2 speeds and analog VSC (variable speech control) as well. I also seem to recall that there was another one called the talkman. I actually owned the APH one. kp On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I still have one of those cassette decks, and compared to that, the cartridge player is downright tiny. That said, while I think it a shame there was never(at least to my knowledge) a walkman-style cassette player capable of playing single tracks or adjusting playback speed, those yellow bricks are actually quite compact compared to most of the non-Walkman-style cassette players I remember from my childhood(Less awkward to lug around than even a mini boombox for sure), and while Wikipedia informs me Sony released the original Walkman in the late 70s, it was the mid-90s before I ever saw a pocket-sized media player of any kind, and while I'm not sure when the NLS Cassette deck first came out, I'd assume its older than me considering it features in some of my earliest memories(for reference, I was born in 1986). -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
Assuming those for whom big buttons etc. is an advantage are a minority perhaps there is a good compromise. If there were to be a pad containing al the large controls and a speaker which can attach to a pocket size device using headphones which is the actual book reader; all needs could be met? On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I'm one of those who like the big buttons and the decent speaker of the NLS digital player, but you make a good point about the value of a device you can put in your pocket. Al On 09/11/2017 08:22 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: My apologies if it sounded like I was complaining. I'm actually pleasantly surprised the players are Linux based as opposed to something custom or even Windows based, and honestly, sticking to a working model for a decade is actually kind of refreshing compared to the mainstream electronics manufacturers who release some trivial redesign every few months and try to push some resource hogging bit of eyecandy or some alpha quality new feature that breaks or replaces existing functionality that actually works on older models as a reason to spend hundreds of dollars on a device with only marginally better specs. If I have a complaint unique to the NLS player(limited file format support and DRM are endemic problems with digital media players and digital media distribution respectively and a wide range of devices don't let the user swap in a spare battery), it's the fact the players are bulky compared to just about anything battery powered made this century. Granted, I imagine their are plenty of NLS patrons that appreciate the overly large buttons and the large, room filling speaker, but a cartridge player that could fit in my pocket or in my fanny pack with all my other gadgets would still be nice. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list XB ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: speechdispatcher-git
Because Xwindows needs to know where to send output. Without that, or similar statement, X won't start, and everything else that depends on it starting won't go either. Linux for blind general discussion writes: > I found it, When this line is commented out that XCB error returns true line > goes away and when uncommented the error returns. > export DISPLAY=taf:0.0 > > Why that should be doing this, I cannot say. > On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:09:37 > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git > > > > So, some step beyond that entry in your ~/.bashrc is mucking things up. > > Your assignment is to find out what's mucking things up, and to fix it. > > There's no way we can help you from this kind of general statement > > because it's far too short of specifics. > > > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > > I put paplay /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo/alarm-clock-elapsed.oga > > > in > > > my .bashrc file as the second line in the file. Interesting results too, > > > but I don't know what these mean. On boot up from a poweroff state, the > > > sound file plays with no error. Any subsequent attempt to play the sound > > > file has the error statement come back. > > > > > > On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 04:50:37 > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git > > > > > > > > To be fully certain, you might try the command immediately after > > > > booting. You should run the command before issuing any other having > > > > absolutely anything to do with sound, i.e. not dispatching > > > > speech-dispatcher. > > > > > > > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > > > > The sound system isn't perfect. When I used paplay to play an .oga > > > > > file I > > > > > got xcb_connection_has_error() returned true. > > > > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 06:08:04 > > > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > > > > > > Curiosity for the most part. I wouldn't do auto-login on a > > > > > > > machine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the most part that's probably the best approach. However, there > > > > > > are > > > > > > exceptions, and the current discussion illustrates one such. > > > > > > > > > > > > We're being asked to help someone get their Orca plus > > > > > > speech-dispatcher > > > > > > setup working. As with any debugging situation, if the problem isn't > > > > > > immediately obvious, a good approach is to simplify the environment > > > > > > in > > > > > > order to isolate the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in the current instance, launching startx from a standard text > > > > > > console would quickly show whether there are issues specifically > > > > > > with > > > > > > the Orca setup, or not. The only caveat here is any required unique > > > > > > startx > > > > > > tweak, probably an .xinitrc with: > > > > > > > > > > > > exec gnome-session > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's possibly the case that one could just as easily login on > > > > > > the > > > > > > text console, but that can require some configuration, too, e.g. > > > > > > possibly the beep on backspace hasn't been configured. That > > > > > > wouldn't be > > > > > > an issue with Speakup, or some other console level screen rea
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
I still have one of those cassette decks, and compared to that, the cartridge player is downright tiny. That said, while I think it a shame there was never(at least to my knowledge) a walkman-style cassette player capable of playing single tracks or adjusting playback speed, those yellow bricks are actually quite compact compared to most of the non-Walkman-style cassette players I remember from my childhood(Less awkward to lug around than even a mini boombox for sure), and while Wikipedia informs me Sony released the original Walkman in the late 70s, it was the mid-90s before I ever saw a pocket-sized media player of any kind, and while I'm not sure when the NLS Cassette deck first came out, I'd assume its older than me considering it features in some of my earliest memories(for reference, I was born in 1986). -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
Nice thing about this, besides the size is that with a patch chord I can copy the contents of my scanner on to a tape. My reading edge has a port for this with the AFB handi-cassette recorder having a line in jack. Just sharing, Kare "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela. On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: APH used to sell a 4-track player/recorder. It also had the 2 speeds and analog VSC (variable speech control) as well. I also seem to recall that there was another one called the talkman. I actually owned the APH one. kp On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I still have one of those cassette decks, and compared to that, the cartridge player is downright tiny. That said, while I think it a shame there was never(at least to my knowledge) a walkman-style cassette player capable of playing single tracks or adjusting playback speed, those yellow bricks are actually quite compact compared to most of the non-Walkman-style cassette players I remember from my childhood(Less awkward to lug around than even a mini boombox for sure), and while Wikipedia informs me Sony released the original Walkman in the late 70s, it was the mid-90s before I ever saw a pocket-sized media player of any kind, and while I'm not sure when the NLS Cassette deck first came out, I'd assume its older than me considering it features in some of my earliest memories(for reference, I was born in 1986). -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
Okay, I'v managed to find Perkins branded Digital Cartridges on Amazon, but there doesn't seem to be any listings for the cables. Does anyone know if the cartridges include the cables? Either way, I'm tempted to pick up a 16GB cartridge as a stop gap for playing the encrypted files if I can't figure out how to play them on my Blaze ET or Linux PC, though considering how anemic 16GB is for storage this day and age, I find myself wondering if my digital cartridge player can play audiobooks stored on an SD card in a dongle-style reader connected to the USB port on the side of the player. *Tries it with the 256GB card from my Blaze ET.* Okay, its been beeping for a few minutes and the pause, fast forward, and rewind buttons just play a please wait message with no explanation. I can only assume its trying to scan the SD card for compatible files. Given a suggestion to use a standard tape deck to rip two of a cassette's four tracks at a time and do post processing to account for tapes having non-standard formats, I've been searching for a suitable one on Amazon, and while there are several rather affordable models designed specifically for converting cassettes to digital files, it isn't always clear which models are stand-alone, which rely on a PC and specific drivers, and which should work with any recording device with a line-in/microphone jack, and many sound like they're hardcoded to output mp3, which I deem completely unacceptable in this age of terabyte harddrives and 256GB memory cards, and even cutting record time by more than half isn't worth lossy compression when I already have a recording device with line-in and wav support, and there's no mention of sample rate or bit depth on any of the product pages I've checked. If anyone has any suggestions for cutting through the cruft, it would be greatly appreciated. I've only ever used sox for concatenating flac files, but I understand its one of the most versatile command line tools for manipulating streamed audio. Can anyone provide instructions on how to do the following tasks in sox or via another command line tool? -Reversing an audio stream in a way equivalent to playing an audio cassette backwards. -Altering the sample rate for playback without altering the samples themselves. Also, am I correct that, if your analog source is playing at double speed, you'd want to record at twice the target sample rate before slowing the recording down? -Splitting multi-channel files into single channels files or merging single-channel files into multi-channel files. -Trimming silence to a given length at the biginning/end of a stream or splitting a stream into multiple files in the middle of internal silence exceeding a certain length. -Anything else that might be useful for the task at hand. Oh, and my digital cartridge player eventually finished whatever it was doing, but still offered no explanation, not even a "no content found" message. The contents of my SD card seems unaffected putting it back in my Blaze ET. Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: speechdispatcher-git
The sound system isn't perfect. When I used paplay to play an .oga file I got xcb_connection_has_error() returned true. On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 06:08:04 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git Linux for blind general discussion writes: Curiosity for the most part. I wouldn't do auto-login on a machine. For the most part that's probably the best approach. However, there are exceptions, and the current discussion illustrates one such. We're being asked to help someone get their Orca plus speech-dispatcher setup working. As with any debugging situation, if the problem isn't immediately obvious, a good approach is to simplify the environment in order to isolate the issue. So, in the current instance, launching startx from a standard text console would quickly show whether there are issues specifically with the Orca setup, or not. The only caveat here is any required unique startx tweak, probably an .xinitrc with: exec gnome-session Yes, it's possibly the case that one could just as easily login on the text console, but that can require some configuration, too, e.g. possibly the beep on backspace hasn't been configured. That wouldn't be an issue with Speakup, or some other console level screen reader, of course. And, one could always test the console environment with with a beep command like: echo Ctrl+g Now, if the situation is such that multiple individuals use the computer, some solution involving gdm is clearly desirable. But, if there's only one person using the computer, I strongly question the value of gdm, though login to the computer is probably still advisable. But, if this individual, the only one using the computer, also lives alone and rarely entertains untrusted individuals, even an auto login could be reasonable. Just my thoughts here. Janina On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 18:59:25 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git OK, let me try to be a bit more specific. Why do you think you need a graphical login manager? What, exactly is it doing for you? I ask this question because the easiest way to avoid the problems handing off speech from the dm to the gnome session with orca is to not use a dm at all. Options include autologin on the console, or standard console login, followed by startx which can reliably start Orca and speech-dispatcher. Linux for blind general discussion writes: because I tried lightdm first and that didn't work either. On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 07:44:51 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git Why do you need gdm? Linux for blind general discussion writes: It builds but doesn't run. Seems to be missing libdotconf.so.0 and the libdotconf library doesn't appear to be in the archlinux repositories. I uncommented lines in speechdispatcher-git PKGBUILD file to enable speechdispatcher to run as a system-wide process and this may be necessary for speech to work in graphical user interface on archlinux but I could be wrong about that. If all of this doesn't work, I know what commands to use to turn off gdm or lightdm with my archlinux system disk. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: speech-dispatcher 1.87
OK, perhaps I'm not tracking shifting nomenclature. To my mind speechd isn't clear. But, regardless ... Are you confident that the audio environment is working properly. Can you play audio, e.g: Open a command prompt and issue a command like: paplay [some-file].wav This should work from a text console or the graphical terminal, assuming speech-dispatcher hasn't been launched yet. Heck, it should work with speech-dispatcher launched, but there are situations where that isn't the case. Thus my advice to test without speech-dispatcher. Linux for blind general discussion writes: > espeakup as has already been mentioned does not work with orca. When I did > what I did with speechd, this time it was in a console setting without any > of the g.u.i. and I did that to isolate speechd so I might better assess its > performance. > > On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 19:00:24 > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > Subject: Re: speech-dispatcher 1.87 > > > > Try espeakup instead of speechd > > > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > > I can't get speechd to start under systemd. The program errors out and > > > the > > > entries in journalctl -xe and systemctl status speechd are a waste of time > > > to read since those provide no clue as to the reason for the error. Error > > > code is 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: speechdispatcher-git
Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Curiosity for the most part. I wouldn't do auto-login on a machine. > For the most part that's probably the best approach. However, there are exceptions, and the current discussion illustrates one such. We're being asked to help someone get their Orca plus speech-dispatcher setup working. As with any debugging situation, if the problem isn't immediately obvious, a good approach is to simplify the environment in order to isolate the issue. So, in the current instance, launching startx from a standard text console would quickly show whether there are issues specifically with the Orca setup, or not. The only caveat here is any required unique startx tweak, probably an .xinitrc with: exec gnome-session Yes, it's possibly the case that one could just as easily login on the text console, but that can require some configuration, too, e.g. possibly the beep on backspace hasn't been configured. That wouldn't be an issue with Speakup, or some other console level screen reader, of course. And, one could always test the console environment with with a beep command like: echo Ctrl+g Now, if the situation is such that multiple individuals use the computer, some solution involving gdm is clearly desirable. But, if there's only one person using the computer, I strongly question the value of gdm, though login to the computer is probably still advisable. But, if this individual, the only one using the computer, also lives alone and rarely entertains untrusted individuals, even an auto login could be reasonable. Just my thoughts here. Janina > On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 18:59:25 > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git > > > > OK, let me try to be a bit more specific. > > > > Why do you think you need a graphical login manager? What, exactly is it > > doing for you? > > > > I ask this question because the easiest way to avoid the problems > > handing off speech from the dm to the gnome session with orca is to not > > use a dm at all. Options include autologin on the console, or standard > > console login, followed by startx which can reliably start Orca and > > speech-dispatcher. > > > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > > because I tried lightdm first and that didn't work either. > > > > > > On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 07:44:51 > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git > > > > > > > > Why do you need gdm? > > > > > > > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > > > > It builds but doesn't run. Seems to be missing libdotconf.so.0 and > > > > > the > > > > > libdotconf library doesn't appear to be in the archlinux > > > > > repositories. I > > > > > uncommented lines in speechdispatcher-git PKGBUILD file to enable > > > > > speechdispatcher to run as a system-wide process and this may be > > > > > necessary > > > > > for speech to work in graphical user interface on archlinux but I > > > > > could be > > > > > wrong about that. If all of this doesn't work, I know what commands > > > > > to use > > > > > to turn off gdm or lightdm with my archlinux system disk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: startx missing twm and xclock
For reference, here's my ~/.xinitrc. I don't claim all these directives are still necessary. Things change, but my startx is still working reliably for me on Arch Linux: export SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN="gtk" export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge exec gnome-session Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Is xclock useable in screen reader accessibility context for xorg? What is > the best choice for a wm for screen reader accessibility context? With > startx, how is it run so startx goes into configuration mode? For this last > question startx writes output to stderr and I haven't yet been able to > capture it with less so I can examine it in detail. > > > > -- > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:jan...@asterisk.rednote.net Email: jan...@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
I'm one of those who like the big buttons and the decent speaker of the NLS digital player, but you make a good point about the value of a device you can put in your pocket. Al On 09/11/2017 08:22 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: My apologies if it sounded like I was complaining. I'm actually pleasantly surprised the players are Linux based as opposed to something custom or even Windows based, and honestly, sticking to a working model for a decade is actually kind of refreshing compared to the mainstream electronics manufacturers who release some trivial redesign every few months and try to push some resource hogging bit of eyecandy or some alpha quality new feature that breaks or replaces existing functionality that actually works on older models as a reason to spend hundreds of dollars on a device with only marginally better specs. If I have a complaint unique to the NLS player(limited file format support and DRM are endemic problems with digital media players and digital media distribution respectively and a wide range of devices don't let the user swap in a spare battery), it's the fact the players are bulky compared to just about anything battery powered made this century. Granted, I imagine their are plenty of NLS patrons that appreciate the overly large buttons and the large, room filling speaker, but a cartridge player that could fit in my pocket or in my fanny pack with all my other gadgets would still be nice. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
RE: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
If we need to continue this conversation, I should just get your e-mail address so we don't clutter this listserv. Daisy books typically encode their audio in MP3 at bitrates of 32 kbps or higher. FLAC probably averages around 300 kbps (I haven't checked this lately) for monophonic audio. NLS uses the adaptive multirate wideband extended (AMR-WB+) encoding format of the Third Generation Partnership Project, and we encode our books at 24 kbps constant bitrate. This algorithm can be set to bitrates as low as 5.5 kbps, but quality suffers. I have been advocating the adoption of the Opus internet wideband audio codec for audio EPUB files, but so far this hasn't gained much traction. It works about as well as AMR-WB+ at a given bitrate and is royaltee-free. I don't expect to see opus used for talking books any time soon, and probably not on the current generation of hardware players. Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Staff Engineer National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, Library of Congress Washington, DC 20542 202-707-0535 http://www.loc.gov/nls/ The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress, NLS. -Original Message- From: blinux-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:blinux-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Linux for blind general discussion Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 8:41 PM To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges. I find the claim that most could fit their entire library on a 16GB cartridge funny considering my own fairly modest library of audiobooks and eBooks takes up 66GB in my home directory not counting the stuff in my Unread folder. Granted, most of the audiobooks saved on my computer are flac rips from Audiobooks I bought in CD format off of Amazon and are thus much bigger than mp3 versions would be, and while I know next to nothing about the Daisy format, I'm guessing its closer in size to mp3 than flac. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
I'll admit part of the problem is ignorance. Until reading the description for the cartridges Perkins is selling on Amazon, I didn't know any cartridge players other than the NLS player existed, and those descriptions only name drop two players I didn't know about and warns one doesn't support NLS's DRM. As for the cartridges themselves, while they are at their core generic USB flash drives and the casing offers some nice features such as having room for a detailed label, being easy to handle, and being easy to find if dropped, the casing does render the carts incompatible with most USB interfaces and pushes the cartridges into the Territory of formats most outside of the target demographic will have never heard of. Granted, prior to this thread, I never thought to ask and was working under the assumption the NLS player was the only cartridge player, so my ignorance on this subject is probably at least partially willful. Still, if anyone knows of a pocket-sized player with a cartridge slot and support of NLS books, I'd be interested in a link. As for smartphones, there are far more fundamental accessibility issues to deal with before I try wrestling with DRM(touch dialing a phone number unassisted being first among them). Though, if you know of any devices built around a more traditional phone button layout while retaining the multi-function capabilities of touchscreen devices, I'd love to hear about them. In the mean time, I'll be sticking with my retro-styled flip phone for phone things, my Blaze ET for most of my media playback, and my Raspberry Pi with a wireless USB keyboard for notetaking on the go. Though, considering none of those has a truly accessible mobile web browsing experience, a fourth device for that niche wouldn't go amiss. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
You don't necessarily need a cart slot. the stream uses a SD card and internal flash memory, phones use there own internal memory. Some of them also use sd cards as well. Commercial devices like phones get there key to play books when the user logs into the service. the stream gets its key when you register it and it is emailed to you. Now, there are also other devices, but I am just giving some examples so you know that more is available. On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I'll admit part of the problem is ignorance. Until reading the description for the cartridges Perkins is selling on Amazon, I didn't know any cartridge players other than the NLS player existed, and those descriptions only name drop two players I didn't know about and warns one doesn't support NLS's DRM. As for the cartridges themselves, while they are at their core generic USB flash drives and the casing offers some nice features such as having room for a detailed label, being easy to handle, and being easy to find if dropped, the casing does render the carts incompatible with most USB interfaces and pushes the cartridges into the Territory of formats most outside of the target demographic will have never heard of. Granted, prior to this thread, I never thought to ask and was working under the assumption the NLS player was the only cartridge player, so my ignorance on this subject is probably at least partially willful. Still, if anyone knows of a pocket-sized player with a cartridge slot and support of NLS books, I'd be interested in a link. As for smartphones, there are far more fundamental accessibility issues to deal with before I try wrestling with DRM(touch dialing a phone number unassisted being first among them). Though, if you know of any devices built around a more traditional phone button layout while retaining the multi-function capabilities of touchscreen devices, I'd love to hear about them. In the mean time, I'll be sticking with my retro-styled flip phone for phone things, my Blaze ET for most of my media playback, and my Raspberry Pi with a wireless USB keyboard for notetaking on the go. Though, considering none of those has a truly accessible mobile web browsing experience, a fourth device for that niche wouldn't go amiss. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Accessible music services on Linux?
Pandora is still about the easiest to use. I use an app called Pithos. The git version is probably best. It's a GTK application that gives near full access to your Pandora stations, and it should allow you to thumb up and down as well. ~Kyle ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
almost got gdm and mate working on archlinux
I got things up to login and did that and got the screen-saver after that. When I ran orca I had sighted assistance looking at the screen and orca did not come up talking. It did show all of its settings on screen though. As a result, I removed mate and mate-extra and orca and brltty and dependencies from the system. I think I'll need to remove whatever screen-saver programs gnome and/or mate normally install before turning those on next time Archlinux has orca 3.24 on it if anyone is interested in the version of that package that ran that way. espeak did work before gdm started up too so sound and speech on the command line level is working. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
Yeah, this has gotten quite far from the original topic. Does anyone know if NLS, APH, Perkins, or any of the other organizations dealing in alternative formats have their own mailing lists or even just newsletters? My gmail is mewtamer if anyone wishes to forward me information on such off list. I confess surprise that such low bitrates can be used while sounding so clear, but then again, I'm more familiar with lossy compression on Music and use lossless compression on my own rips more because I have the space to spare than because I find lossy unacceptable sound quality wise. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
The cable is standard, in that it's a standard USB cable with standard uSB male and female connectors. What you need to watch for though is that the female end will fit into the cartridge. Not all USB cables have a female end with a thin enough profile to slide into the space allowed by the cartridge. On 09/11/2017 09:15 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: The cartridges are typically formatted as FAT32. A cable doesn't come with a cartridge, and as you discovered, it's not quite standard. I think it will be a few extra weeks before a 16 GB cartridge becomes available. The NLS player has a second USB port on its right side, behind the headphone jack. This was originally intended for diagnostics and for remote control. But if a cartridge is not connected to the cartridge port, you can play content from a USB stick attached to this side port. The port is normally covered by a tiny pop-off piece of plastic. Since the NLS player is an 11-year-old design running Linux 2.4.2 on a 266-MHz ARM processor with 16 megs of RAM, it has some trouble coping with really large drives containing thousands of files. And it cannot unzip anything. But it has been used successfully with drives of up to 64 GB in size. Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Staff Engineer National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, Library of Congress Washington, DC 20542 202-707-0535 http://www.loc.gov/nls/ The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress, NLS. -Original Message- From: blinux-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:blinux-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Linux for blind general discussion Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 4:48 AM To: Linux for blind general discussion Cc: IAVIT Tech Talk List Subject: Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges. Cables are standard. I don't recall what the female connector end is called, but it's a standard USB extension cable type of connector, i.e. you can plug one end of the cable into the other. Perkins sells the cables on line, as ell as 4Gb NlS-style cartridges. I believe LS and APH also sell them. The cartridges need to be VFAT formatted. hth Janina Linux for blind general discussion writes: Okay, I'v managed to find Perkins branded Digital Cartridges on Amazon, but there doesn't seem to be any listings for the cables. Does anyone know if the cartridges include the cables? Either way, I'm tempted to pick up a 16GB cartridge as a stop gap for playing the encrypted files if I can't figure out how to play them on my Blaze ET or Linux PC, though considering how anemic 16GB is for storage this day and age, I find myself wondering if my digital cartridge player can play audiobooks stored on an SD card in a dongle-style reader connected to the USB port on the side of the player. *Tries it with the 256GB card from my Blaze ET.* Okay, its been beeping for a few minutes and the pause, fast forward, and rewind buttons just play a please wait message with no explanation. I can only assume its trying to scan the SD card for compatible files. Given a suggestion to use a standard tape deck to rip two of a cassette's four tracks at a time and do post processing to account for tapes having non-standard formats, I've been searching for a suitable one on Amazon, and while there are several rather affordable models designed specifically for converting cassettes to digital files, it isn't always clear which models are stand-alone, which rely on a PC and specific drivers, and which should work with any recording device with a line-in/microphone jack, and many sound like they're hardcoded to output mp3, which I deem completely unacceptable in this age of terabyte harddrives and 256GB memory cards, and even cutting record time by more than half isn't worth lossy compression when I already have a recording device with line-in and wav support, and there's no mention of sample rate or bit depth on any of the product pages I've checked. If anyone has any suggestions for cutting through the cruft, it would be greatly appreciated. I've only ever used sox for concatenating flac files, but I understand its one of the most versatile command line tools for manipulating streamed audio. Can anyone provide instructions on how to do the following tasks in sox or via another command line tool? -Reversing an audio stream in a way equivalent to playing an audio cassette backwards. -Altering the sample rate for playback without altering the samples themselves. Also, am I correct that, if your analog source is playing at double speed, you'd want to record at twice the target sample rate before slowing the recording down? -Splitting multi-channel files into single channels files or merging single-channel files into multi-channel files. -Trimming silence to a given length at the biginning/end of a stream or splitting a stream into multiple files in the middle of internal silence exceeding
Re: Digitizing audio cassettes and extracting the contents of digital cartridges.
My apologies if it sounded like I was complaining. I'm actually pleasantly surprised the players are Linux based as opposed to something custom or even Windows based, and honestly, sticking to a working model for a decade is actually kind of refreshing compared to the mainstream electronics manufacturers who release some trivial redesign every few months and try to push some resource hogging bit of eyecandy or some alpha quality new feature that breaks or replaces existing functionality that actually works on older models as a reason to spend hundreds of dollars on a device with only marginally better specs. If I have a complaint unique to the NLS player(limited file format support and DRM are endemic problems with digital media players and digital media distribution respectively and a wide range of devices don't let the user swap in a spare battery), it's the fact the players are bulky compared to just about anything battery powered made this century. Granted, I imagine their are plenty of NLS patrons that appreciate the overly large buttons and the large, room filling speaker, but a cartridge player that could fit in my pocket or in my fanny pack with all my other gadgets would still be nice. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: speechdispatcher-git
So, some step beyond that entry in your ~/.bashrc is mucking things up. Your assignment is to find out what's mucking things up, and to fix it. There's no way we can help you from this kind of general statement because it's far too short of specifics. Linux for blind general discussion writes: > I put paplay /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo/alarm-clock-elapsed.oga in > my .bashrc file as the second line in the file. Interesting results too, > but I don't know what these mean. On boot up from a poweroff state, the > sound file plays with no error. Any subsequent attempt to play the sound > file has the error statement come back. > > On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 04:50:37 > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git > > > > To be fully certain, you might try the command immediately after > > booting. You should run the command before issuing any other having > > absolutely anything to do with sound, i.e. not dispatching > > speech-dispatcher. > > > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > > The sound system isn't perfect. When I used paplay to play an .oga file I > > > got xcb_connection_has_error() returned true. > > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 06:08:04 > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git > > > > > > > > Linux for blind general discussion writes: > > > > > Curiosity for the most part. I wouldn't do auto-login on a machine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the most part that's probably the best approach. However, there are > > > > exceptions, and the current discussion illustrates one such. > > > > > > > > We're being asked to help someone get their Orca plus speech-dispatcher > > > > setup working. As with any debugging situation, if the problem isn't > > > > immediately obvious, a good approach is to simplify the environment in > > > > order to isolate the issue. > > > > > > > > So, in the current instance, launching startx from a standard text > > > > console would quickly show whether there are issues specifically with > > > > the Orca setup, or not. The only caveat here is any required unique > > > > startx > > > > tweak, probably an .xinitrc with: > > > > > > > > exec gnome-session > > > > > > > > Yes, it's possibly the case that one could just as easily login on the > > > > text console, but that can require some configuration, too, e.g. > > > > possibly the beep on backspace hasn't been configured. That wouldn't be > > > > an issue with Speakup, or some other console level screen reader, of > > > > course. And, one could always test the console environment with with a > > > > beep command like: > > > > > > > > echo Ctrl+g > > > > > > > > Now, if the situation is such that multiple individuals use the > > > > computer, some solution involving gdm is clearly desirable. But, if > > > > there's only one person using the computer, I strongly question the > > > > value of gdm, though login to the computer is probably still advisable. > > > > > > > > But, if this individual, the only one using the computer, also lives > > > > alone and rarely entertains untrusted individuals, even an auto login > > > > could be reasonable. > > > > > > > > Just my thoughts here. > > > > > > > > Janina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 18:59:25 > > > > > > From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > > > To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: speechdispatcher-git > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, let me try to be a bit more specific. > > > > > > > > &g
Re: editor in linux shell that does charactor count?
On September 25, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I can use wordperfect for word count. still I am writing something > that requires a character limit. Tim here. Any editor that lets you write your document contents through an external pipe should suffice. Ed, vi/vim, and emacs all do (I'm not sure about Nano). In ed, you'd use ,w !wc which will give you the character, word, and line counts for the range (in this case, the whole document) that you piped into it. For vi/vim, you can do similarly: :%w !wc or in vim you can use "g control+g" to get the cursor location in the document of the form "Col 9 of 58; Line 16 of 32; Word 146 of 291; Byte 821 of 1625". I don't use emacs, so I can't help much there. Within Nano, you can use meta+D (possibly followed by "d") to return the file stats. If you just want one of the stats from "wc", you can use either the "-c" (characters) "-w" (words) or "-l" (lines) parameter such as: :%w !wc -c to get the character-count. Alternatively, assuming you're just editing plain-text instead of markup, you can save your file and just pipe it through wc: $ wc -c < mydocument.txt Hope this helps, -tim ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: editor in linux shell that does charactor count?
Emacs can do this Devin Prater Assistive Technology Instructor in Training: JAWS certified. From: blinux-list-boun...@redhat.com <blinux-list-boun...@redhat.com> on behalf of Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:38:28 PM To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: editor in linux shell that does charactor count? to the best of my knowledge, and I will check on this lol. word count is all I can recall. However, a tiny bell is now ringing hinting at a place I have not checked, so we shall see. Karen On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Tim following up to my previous email: also, if you run the DOS > version of Word Perfect, it should also give you document statistics. > > -tim > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
this needs testing
#!/usr/bin/env bash # file: fcl.sh - file with character limit script. echo -c "character limit for file:" read lim=$REPLY echo -c "file name to edit" read ef=$REPLY truncate --size=$lim $ef echo "remember only change lines in $ef to stay inside character limits." nano $ef wc -c $ef -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: editor in linux shell that does charactor count?
Tim following up to my previous email: also, if you run the DOS version of Word Perfect, it should also give you document statistics. -tim ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: editor in linux shell that does charactor count?
Sorry, I just noticed that you were looking for a shell editor. Neither of the editors I mentioned qualify. Best regards, Paul -- [Notice not included in the above original message: The U.S. National Security Agency neither confirms nor denies that it intercepted this message.] ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
re: shell editor
This isn't what was requested, but I'm pretty certain it will be useful nonetheless. The truncate command can create a file and make it a specific number of characters in size. Truncation happens from the end of the file if too large. So truncate 1 file.txt would make a file 1 characters in length. Editing that file in overwrite mode not insert mode change lines don't insert lines would use up the space for the character limit on the file. Saving an edit; then truncating the file again but to a different file name than the original then comm -2 file1 file2 would show lines only in file2 not in file1. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
re: this needs testing
I forgot three lines in earlier version. This one uses fold to force creation of 80 character lines making it easier to edit rather than just leaving a single line in the file and that happens before editing of file can happen. cut here. #!/usr/bin/env bash # file: fcl.sh - file with character limit script. echo -c "character limit for file:" read lim=$REPLY echo -c "file name to edit" read ef=$REPLY truncate --size=$lim $ef fold $ef >$ef.f mv $ef.f $ef echo "remember only change lines in $ef to stay inside character limits." nano $ef wc -c $ef -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Questions about Mac, emacspeak and Braille
There are plenty of voices. Go into voiceover utility into the speech category and the voices tab. There are the voices already on your Mac and there are ones you can download. Also infovox voices can be purchased. You can switch between the voices on your Mac by using cmd-option-control-downarrow. If you hold down command-option-control and right arrow you can also change the pitch and reate and volume. As for setting up brltty, if you have Macports installed on your computer and are using a supported display, it doesn't need to be that hard. You don't mention which display you are using. I am sure there are probably others on the list that could help you with that and I will be glad to try to help you. You can also use the brltty list if you have not already subscribed to it. However, I don't understand what this has to do with your job interview. I don't think Apple cares how well you use terminal or how well you use emacspeak or some other system with another braille program. They are going to want you to be using Apple braille and Text Edit and Pages. Perhaps you are talking about your own personal use which will make it easier for you to do the job? I am assuming apple braille works on your computer with your braille display and you are talking only about work in terminal. On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:23 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: Hi, I know it's the Linux list but this is super important because I have a job interview with Apple coming up. The latest emacs + emacspeak is running on my MacBook but the Braille doesn't work. The only way I can think to make it work is to set up brltty. I found this process way too hard when I attempted it last year. Has it gotten easier, or is there another way to get Braille with emacspeak on MacOS? Also, can I use some other voice besides Alex. He sounds awful when I speed him up (I purchased a machine, not a human). Basically, has anyone found a way to get clear, fast speech under this setup? Thanks! ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Questions about Mac, emacspeak and Braille
Hi, I know it's the Linux list but this is super important because I have a job interview with Apple coming up. The latest emacs + emacspeak is running on my MacBook but the Braille doesn't work. The only way I can think to make it work is to set up brltty. I found this process way too hard when I attempted it last year. Has it gotten easier, or is there another way to get Braille with emacspeak on MacOS? Also, can I use some other voice besides Alex. He sounds awful when I speed him up (I purchased a machine, not a human). Basically, has anyone found a way to get clear, fast speech under this setup? Thanks! ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Questions about Mac, emacspeak and Braille
> There are plenty of voices. Go into voiceover utility into the speech > category ... I know how to switch voices with voiceover but I'm asking about emacs. Alex always comes up with no obvious way to change it. > However, I don't understand what this has to do with your job interview. It's probably overkill but I thought it would be nice to have an environment that I feel comfortable coding in. Terminal with voiceover is still awkward. On 9/26/17, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > There are plenty of voices. Go into voiceover utility into the speech > category and the voices tab. There are the voices already on your Mac and > there are ones you can download. Also infovox voices can be purchased. You > can switch between the voices on your Mac by using > cmd-option-control-downarrow. If you hold down command-option-control and > right arrow you can also change the pitch and reate and volume. > > As for setting up brltty, if you have Macports installed on your computer > and are using a supported display, it doesn't need to be that hard. You > don't mention which display you are using. I am sure there are probably > others on the list that could help you with that and I will be glad to try > to help you. You can also use the brltty list if you have not already > subscribed to it. > > However, I don't understand what this has to do with your job interview. I > don't think Apple cares how well you use terminal or how well you use > emacspeak or some other system with another braille program. They are going > to want you to be using Apple braille and Text Edit and Pages. Perhaps you > are talking about your own personal use which will make it easier for you to > do the job? I am assuming apple braille works on your computer with your > braille display and you are talking only about work in terminal. > > On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:23 PM, Linux for blind general discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > > Hi, I know it's the Linux list but this is super important because I > have a job interview with Apple coming up. > > The latest emacs + emacspeak is running on my MacBook but the Braille > doesn't work. The only way I can think to make it work is to set up > brltty. I found this process way too hard when I attempted it last > year. Has it gotten easier, or is there another way to get Braille > with emacspeak on MacOS? > > Also, can I use some other voice besides Alex. He sounds awful when I > speed him up (I purchased a machine, not a human). Basically, has > anyone found a way to get clear, fast speech under this setup? > > Thanks! > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Questions about Mac, emacspeak and Braille
Okay, Amanda. You could email me at cahom...@gmail.com <mailto:cahom...@gmail.com> instead of onlist if you like. -- Cheryl On Sep 26, 2017, at 8:08 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: That's cool, and I'd definitely like some help with MacPorts + brltty that since the only resource I can find on Google is that readme you posted a few years ago. I'd like my Mac a lot more with brltty and emacspeak. Thanks, Amanda On 9/26/17, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > Oh sorry, I use emacs in terminal all the time and it just uses the same > voice I have running whatever it is. > > And yes, I see what you mean now. I like working in terminal for certain > things too and now I see how this relates to your interview. Thanks for > explaining. > > > > -- > Cheryl > > > Go beyond the Christmas story this year; > meet Immanuel (God with us), > Jesus, the crucified Savior, > Christ, the risen LORD!!! > > > > On Sep 26, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Linux for blind general discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > >> There are plenty of voices. Go into voiceover utility into the speech >> category ... > > I know how to switch voices with voiceover but I'm asking about emacs. > Alex always comes up with no obvious way to change it. > >> However, I don't understand what this has to do with your job interview. > > It's probably overkill but I thought it would be nice to have an > environment that I feel comfortable coding in. Terminal with voiceover > is still awkward. > > On 9/26/17, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > wrote: >> There are plenty of voices. Go into voiceover utility into the speech >> category and the voices tab. There are the voices already on your Mac and >> there are ones you can download. Also infovox voices can be purchased. >> You >> can switch between the voices on your Mac by using >> cmd-option-control-downarrow. If you hold down command-option-control and >> right arrow you can also change the pitch and reate and volume. >> >> As for setting up brltty, if you have Macports installed on your computer >> and are using a supported display, it doesn't need to be that hard. You >> don't mention which display you are using. I am sure there are probably >> others on the list that could help you with that and I will be glad to >> try >> to help you. You can also use the brltty list if you have not already >> subscribed to it. >> >> However, I don't understand what this has to do with your job interview. >> I >> don't think Apple cares how well you use terminal or how well you use >> emacspeak or some other system with another braille program. They are >> going >> to want you to be using Apple braille and Text Edit and Pages. Perhaps >> you >> are talking about your own personal use which will make it easier for you >> to >> do the job? I am assuming apple braille works on your computer with your >> braille display and you are talking only about work in terminal. >> >> On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:23 PM, Linux for blind general discussion >> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, I know it's the Linux list but this is super important because I >> have a job interview with Apple coming up. >> >> The latest emacs + emacspeak is running on my MacBook but the Braille >> doesn't work. The only way I can think to make it work is to set up >> brltty. I found this process way too hard when I attempted it last >> year. Has it gotten easier, or is there another way to get Braille >> with emacspeak on MacOS? >> >> Also, can I use some other voice besides Alex. He sounds awful when I >> speed him up (I purchased a machine, not a human). Basically, has >> anyone found a way to get clear, fast speech under this setup? >> >> Thanks! >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Questions about Mac, emacspeak and Braille
That's cool, and I'd definitely like some help with MacPorts + brltty that since the only resource I can find on Google is that readme you posted a few years ago. I'd like my Mac a lot more with brltty and emacspeak. Thanks, Amanda On 9/26/17, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > Oh sorry, I use emacs in terminal all the time and it just uses the same > voice I have running whatever it is. > > And yes, I see what you mean now. I like working in terminal for certain > things too and now I see how this relates to your interview. Thanks for > explaining. > > > > -- > Cheryl > > > Go beyond the Christmas story this year; > meet Immanuel (God with us), > Jesus, the crucified Savior, > Christ, the risen LORD!!! > > > > On Sep 26, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Linux for blind general discussion > <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > >> There are plenty of voices. Go into voiceover utility into the speech >> category ... > > I know how to switch voices with voiceover but I'm asking about emacs. > Alex always comes up with no obvious way to change it. > >> However, I don't understand what this has to do with your job interview. > > It's probably overkill but I thought it would be nice to have an > environment that I feel comfortable coding in. Terminal with voiceover > is still awkward. > > On 9/26/17, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> > wrote: >> There are plenty of voices. Go into voiceover utility into the speech >> category and the voices tab. There are the voices already on your Mac and >> there are ones you can download. Also infovox voices can be purchased. >> You >> can switch between the voices on your Mac by using >> cmd-option-control-downarrow. If you hold down command-option-control and >> right arrow you can also change the pitch and reate and volume. >> >> As for setting up brltty, if you have Macports installed on your computer >> and are using a supported display, it doesn't need to be that hard. You >> don't mention which display you are using. I am sure there are probably >> others on the list that could help you with that and I will be glad to >> try >> to help you. You can also use the brltty list if you have not already >> subscribed to it. >> >> However, I don't understand what this has to do with your job interview. >> I >> don't think Apple cares how well you use terminal or how well you use >> emacspeak or some other system with another braille program. They are >> going >> to want you to be using Apple braille and Text Edit and Pages. Perhaps >> you >> are talking about your own personal use which will make it easier for you >> to >> do the job? I am assuming apple braille works on your computer with your >> braille display and you are talking only about work in terminal. >> >> On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:23 PM, Linux for blind general discussion >> <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, I know it's the Linux list but this is super important because I >> have a job interview with Apple coming up. >> >> The latest emacs + emacspeak is running on my MacBook but the Braille >> doesn't work. The only way I can think to make it work is to set up >> brltty. I found this process way too hard when I attempted it last >> year. Has it gotten easier, or is there another way to get Braille >> with emacspeak on MacOS? >> >> Also, can I use some other voice besides Alex. He sounds awful when I >> speed him up (I purchased a machine, not a human). Basically, has >> anyone found a way to get clear, fast speech under this setup? >> >> Thanks! >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Two versions of Firefox, two different annoying bugs.
Hi Jeffery, On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 19:50:50 + Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > Okay, so I recently upgraded my main machine to Knoppix 8. Initially, > I was glad that a long standing bug that causes Orca to go silent > whenever I open a file dialog box in firefox, if not outright crash > something hard enough to force me back to text-mode had been fixed, > but then I realized the default version of Firefox in Knoppix 8 is > Firefox 52, aka, the version that dropped ALSA support. > > At first, I thought, no big deal, I'll just switch to Firefox ESR and > get my ability to listen to YouTube videos back, but apparently, the > file dialog is still silent in Firefox ESR, and after months of not > being able to save pages or upload files, I don't relish the idea of > giving it up again now that it works again. > > I could just switch between the two versions as needed, but that's not > exactly convient, so I decided to bite the bullet and Install > pulseaudio, but I'm still without audio when YouTube videos play. > Everything is still talking properly both in the console and the GUI, > and I can still play local media from the terminal, but Firefox itself > remains silent. > > So, does anyone know how to get Firefox working with Pulseaudio, how > to get Orca to read file dialogs in Firefox-ESR, know of a Firefox > extension that re-adds ALSA support, or of a decent command-line > client for listening to YouTube? > 1. firefox-52.3.0-2.mga7 on Mageia v7 x86-64 works well enough without pulseaudio - I hear sound well here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruxmWBHCGn4 (just checked). Note that I am not sight-impaired or anything. 2. I use https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ to download videos from youtube and other sites from the command line, and it works well. Regards, Shlomi -- - Shlomi Fish ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
re: shell editor
No, fmt is not the same as fold. The fmt command in my testing failed to break lines but fold got the line breaks correct. Also, truncate is back along with the tr command to change those binary zeros to spaces. Easier approach. This one so far as I can tell now works. I'll put a loop in the script and a math test on the edited file to ensure character limit entered by user is not exceeded in a little while. Cut here. #!/usr/bin/env bash # file: fcl.sh - file with character limit script. echo -c "character limit for file:" read lim=$REPLY echo -c "file name to edit" read ef=$REPLY truncate -s $lim $ef tr "\0" "." < $ef > $ef.f mv $ef.f $ef fold -80 < $ef > $ef.f mv $ef.f $ef echo "remember only change lines in $ef to stay inside character limits." nano $ef wc -c $ef -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: editor in linux shell that does charactor count?
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 6:58 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > Huh, I was nearly certain that WP had a character-count > functionality, but pulling it up, I can't seem to find it. You've sparked a memory. I don't recall in the DOS versions but in the Windows versions, the character count up to the cursor position is displayed in the lower right corner, just below the editing pane. So put the cursor at the end of the text and look there. Paul -- [Notice not included in the above original message: The U.S. National Security Agency neither confirms nor denies that it intercepted this message.] ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
about wp, was editor in linux shell that does charactor count?
"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 6:58 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: Huh, I was nearly certain that WP had a character-count functionality, but pulling it up, I can't seem to find it. I appreciate you ringing this bell. Indeed word perfect 6.0 has a character count. Under writing tools alt-f1, the 4th option is document information. This includes allot, first listing being character count. I do not know if this appears in 5.1 plus, but it is possible since that program came into being after 6.1.thanks! Karen. > ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: editor in linux shell that does charactor count?
I have not had a moment to check but I believe it is one of the 6.0 or 6.1 writing tools options. I have a sense that i used it before. Regardless, one of the other things might work. Thanks, Karen On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: On September 25, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: to the best of my knowledge, and I will check on this lol. word count is all I can recall. Huh, I was nearly certain that WP had a character-count functionality, but pulling it up, I can't seem to find it. Granted, I'm trying to dredge WP commands from the mid 90s when last I used it as my primary editor for high-school papers. But still, I was nigh certain it was there and can't find it now. Sorry for the distraction. -tim ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
emacspeak-git went defective on archlinux
So I got speechd-el up and working. Not necessarily perfectly, m;aybe more drivers are being loaded than are needed for only speech but it works well enough to be useable. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Grub order.
Hi! Is there a command for getting the the order of the grub menu? I have debian as the first item as i just can press enter on that one when the grub beep comes. But i also have Vinux on my machine and i really don’t know where in the menu it is. Any help is appreciated. /A ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: firefox and webvisum
One thing I haven't yet tried is to first log into the webvisum site then log into 23andme.com/start/ and then run the webvisum menus in firefox to see if anything happens when I try taking a picture. On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 07:17:08 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: firefox and webvisum I can access webvisum menus with control-f10 inside firefox and have keyed in credentials and finally found in the debugging menu take picture and on a particular web site with a captcha tried taking a picture and so far as I could tell nothing happened. There are login and log out menu options that come up too each time webvisum is run so I expect the app didn't even log me into the webvisum site. On linux, what camera app or apps does webvisum like and will use if found to take a picture of the screen? I may not have a camera installed. When I used webvisum on firefox in windows several years ago, webvisum would let me know I was logged into the webvisum site as I started up firefox and this isn't happening any longer either. The website I'm trying to use is http://www.23andme.com/start/ and it is a captcha-happy website with no accessibility assistance or options. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
firefox and webvisum
I can access webvisum menus with control-f10 inside firefox and have keyed in credentials and finally found in the debugging menu take picture and on a particular web site with a captcha tried taking a picture and so far as I could tell nothing happened. There are login and log out menu options that come up too each time webvisum is run so I expect the app didn't even log me into the webvisum site. On linux, what camera app or apps does webvisum like and will use if found to take a picture of the screen? I may not have a camera installed. When I used webvisum on firefox in windows several years ago, webvisum would let me know I was logged into the webvisum site as I started up firefox and this isn't happening any longer either. The website I'm trying to use is http://www.23andme.com/start/ and it is a captcha-happy website with no accessibility assistance or options. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Two versions of Firefox, two different annoying bugs.
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017 10:27:17 +0300 Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > Hi Jeffery, > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 19:50:50 +0000 > Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > > > Okay, so I recently upgraded my main machine to Knoppix 8. Initially, > > I was glad that a long standing bug that causes Orca to go silent > > whenever I open a file dialog box in firefox, if not outright crash > > something hard enough to force me back to text-mode had been fixed, > > but then I realized the default version of Firefox in Knoppix 8 is > > Firefox 52, aka, the version that dropped ALSA support. > > > > At first, I thought, no big deal, I'll just switch to Firefox ESR and > > get my ability to listen to YouTube videos back, but apparently, the > > file dialog is still silent in Firefox ESR, and after months of not > > being able to save pages or upload files, I don't relish the idea of > > giving it up again now that it works again. > > > > I could just switch between the two versions as needed, but that's not > > exactly convient, so I decided to bite the bullet and Install > > pulseaudio, but I'm still without audio when YouTube videos play. > > Everything is still talking properly both in the console and the GUI, > > and I can still play local media from the terminal, but Firefox itself > > remains silent. > > > > So, does anyone know how to get Firefox working with Pulseaudio, how > > to get Orca to read file dialogs in Firefox-ESR, know of a Firefox > > extension that re-adds ALSA support, or of a decent command-line > > client for listening to YouTube? > > > > 1. firefox-52.3.0-2.mga7 on Mageia v7 x86-64 works well enough without > pulseaudio - I hear sound well here - > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruxmWBHCGn4 (just checked). Note that I am not > sight-impaired or anything. > I should note that that version of FF from mozilla.org does not work without pulseaudio, so it may be a dowmstream mageia patch. > 2. I use https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ to download videos from youtube and > other sites from the command line, and it works well. > > Regards, > > Shlomi > -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Apple Inc. is Evil - http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/apple/ Larry Wall is lazy, impatient and full of hubris. — http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/Larry-Wall/ Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: firefox and webvisum
Firefox is updating its architecture, and this is breaking a lot of extensions. F On 09/28/2017 08:55 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: One thing I haven't yet tried is to first log into the webvisum site then log into 23andme.com/start/ and then run the webvisum menus in firefox to see if anything happens when I try taking a picture. On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 07:17:08 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: blinux-list@redhat.com Subject: firefox and webvisum I can access webvisum menus with control-f10 inside firefox and have keyed in credentials and finally found in the debugging menu take picture and on a particular web site with a captcha tried taking a picture and so far as I could tell nothing happened. There are login and log out menu options that come up too each time webvisum is run so I expect the app didn't even log me into the webvisum site. On linux, what camera app or apps does webvisum like and will use if found to take a picture of the screen? I may not have a camera installed. When I used webvisum on firefox in windows several years ago, webvisum would let me know I was logged into the webvisum site as I started up firefox and this isn't happening any longer either. The website I'm trying to use is http://www.23andme.com/start/ and it is a captcha-happy website with no accessibility assistance or options. -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
autoconf errors
trying to compile hamlib, a program to control radios, on x86/64 ubuntu 16. configure was not in the src; ran autoconf and got the following: configure.ac:35: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. configure.ac:92: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_CONDITIONAL configure.ac:111: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PROG_CC_C_O configure.ac:301: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_ERROR configure.ac:515: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_PYTHON configure.ac:529: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PYTHON_CHECK_VERSION root@Laggy:/usr/local/src/hamlib# What should I do now? I am doing this as root. Thanks. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: editor in linux shell that does charactor count?
On September 25, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > to the best of my knowledge, and I will check on this lol. word > count is all I can recall. Huh, I was nearly certain that WP had a character-count functionality, but pulling it up, I can't seem to find it. Granted, I'm trying to dredge WP commands from the mid 90s when last I used it as my primary editor for high-school papers. But still, I was nigh certain it was there and can't find it now. Sorry for the distraction. -tim ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: shell editor
The truncate command will likely have an undesired side-effect: if the file is smaller than the target size, it will be generally be padded with binary zeroes to force it to be the specified size. If pure truncation is desired, might I suggest the dd command instead: dd if=input-file of=output-file bs=maxlength count=1 If the input-file is shorter than maxlength, output-file will be the same as input-file (not padded to maxlength). (warning: maxlength has a limit, but that limit is usually at least 100 Meg.) On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 18:07:24PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > This isn't what was requested, but I'm pretty certain it will be useful > nonetheless. The truncate command can create a file and make it a > specific number of characters in size. Truncation happens from the end of > the file if too large. So truncate 1 file.txt would make a file 1 > characters in length. Editing that file in overwrite mode not insert mode > change lines don't insert lines would use up the space for the character > limit on the file. Saving an edit; then truncating the file again but to > a different file name than the original then comm -2 file1 file2 would > show lines only in file2 not in file1. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: editor in linux shell that does charactor count?
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > Hi, > I can use wordperfect for word count. still I am writing something that > requires a character limit. > Ideas? The NoteCase Pro outliner has this feature. <http://notecasepro.com/>. Download and install, select free Trial Version when launching (feature is missing from the free Lite version). Look for the Word Count option on the Writing Tools submenu of the Tools menu. It displays character count as well as word count for the current node. I don't know how well that program does for accessibility. LibreOffice Writer's Word Count feature also displays character count, either for the document or for selected text. Best regards, Paul -- [Notice not included in the above original message: The U.S. National Security Agency neither confirms nor denies that it intercepted this message.] ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: editor in linux shell that does charactor count?
Hi, Thanks, I will see if either exist on our Linux shell as I do not run Linux so to speak, simply telnet to shell editions. Thanks again, Kare On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: Hi, I can use wordperfect for word count. still I am writing something that requires a character limit. Ideas? The NoteCase Pro outliner has this feature. <http://notecasepro.com/>. Download and install, select free Trial Version when launching (feature is missing from the free Lite version). Look for the Word Count option on the Writing Tools submenu of the Tools menu. It displays character count as well as word count for the current node. I don't know how well that program does for accessibility. LibreOffice Writer's Word Count feature also displays character count, either for the document or for selected text. Best regards, Paul -- [Notice not included in the above original message: The U.S. National Security Agency neither confirms nor denies that it intercepted this message.] ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: editor in linux shell that does charactor count?
Hi, Indeed just a text file, since I will be placing it elsewhere. will explore the wc option, or nano. thanks again, Karen On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: On September 25, 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I can use wordperfect for word count. still I am writing something that requires a character limit. Tim here. Any editor that lets you write your document contents through an external pipe should suffice. Ed, vi/vim, and emacs all do (I'm not sure about Nano). In ed, you'd use ,w !wc which will give you the character, word, and line counts for the range (in this case, the whole document) that you piped into it. For vi/vim, you can do similarly: :%w !wc or in vim you can use "g control+g" to get the cursor location in the document of the form "Col 9 of 58; Line 16 of 32; Word 146 of 291; Byte 821 of 1625". I don't use emacs, so I can't help much there. Within Nano, you can use meta+D (possibly followed by "d") to return the file stats. If you just want one of the stats from "wc", you can use either the "-c" (characters) "-w" (words) or "-l" (lines) parameter such as: :%w !wc -c to get the character-count. Alternatively, assuming you're just editing plain-text instead of markup, you can save your file and just pipe it through wc: $ wc -c < mydocument.txt Hope this helps, -tim ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
editor in linux shell that does charactor count?
Hi, I can use wordperfect for word count. still I am writing something that requires a character limit. Ideas? Thanks, Karen "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: editor in linux shell that does charactor count?
to the best of my knowledge, and I will check on this lol. word count is all I can recall. However, a tiny bell is now ringing hinting at a place I have not checked, so we shall see. Karen On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Tim following up to my previous email: also, if you run the DOS version of Word Perfect, it should also give you document statistics. -tim ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: shell editor
Thanks, those binary zeros in that context could cause a real mess. On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 00:10:43 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: shell editor The truncate command will likely have an undesired side-effect: if the file is smaller than the target size, it will be generally be padded with binary zeroes to force it to be the specified size. If pure truncation is desired, might I suggest the dd command instead: dd if=input-file of=output-file bs=maxlength count=1 If the input-file is shorter than maxlength, output-file will be the same as input-file (not padded to maxlength). (warning: maxlength has a limit, but that limit is usually at least 100 Meg.) On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 18:07:24PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: This isn't what was requested, but I'm pretty certain it will be useful nonetheless. The truncate command can create a file and make it a specific number of characters in size. Truncation happens from the end of the file if too large. So truncate 1 file.txt would make a file 1 characters in length. Editing that file in overwrite mode not insert mode change lines don't insert lines would use up the space for the character limit on the file. Saving an edit; then truncating the file again but to a different file name than the original then comm -2 file1 file2 would show lines only in file2 not in file1. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: this needs testing
fmt -80 infile > outfile Same thing, isn't it? On Sep 25, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: I forgot three lines in earlier version. This one uses fold to force creation of 80 character lines making it easier to edit rather than just leaving a single line in the file and that happens before editing of file can happen. cut here. #!/usr/bin/env bash # file: fcl.sh - file with character limit script. echo -c "character limit for file:" read lim=$REPLY echo -c "file name to edit" read ef=$REPLY truncate --size=$lim $ef fold $ef >$ef.f mv $ef.f $ef echo "remember only change lines in $ef to stay inside character limits." nano $ef wc -c $ef -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: shell editor
Potential problem with dd is it requires an input file and the first creation of the file will be an append operation. I'll try using /dev/null for input and converting all output to spaces when this one gets created and it's possible this will work. On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 07:01:52 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: shell editor Thanks, those binary zeros in that context could cause a real mess. On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 00:10:43 From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> Subject: Re: shell editor The truncate command will likely have an undesired side-effect: if the file is smaller than the target size, it will be generally be padded with binary zeroes to force it to be the specified size. If pure truncation is desired, might I suggest the dd command instead: dd if=input-file of=output-file bs=maxlength count=1 If the input-file is shorter than maxlength, output-file will be the same as input-file (not padded to maxlength). (warning: maxlength has a limit, but that limit is usually at least 100 Meg.) On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 18:07:24PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: This isn't what was requested, but I'm pretty certain it will be useful nonetheless. The truncate command can create a file and make it a specific number of characters in size. Truncation happens from the end of the file if too large. So truncate 1 file.txt would make a file 1 characters in length. Editing that file in overwrite mode not insert mode change lines don't insert lines would use up the space for the character limit on the file. Saving an edit; then truncating the file again but to a different file name than the original then comm -2 file1 file2 would show lines only in file2 not in file1. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: editor in linux shell that does charactor count?
ed and edbrowse count characters when you write the file. or I just suspend the editor and type: wc -c filename ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: Grub order.
Howdy,
you can do this by parsing the /boot/grub/grub.cfg (what contains the
order and entrys).
this is done with awk for example (needs root):
awk -F\' '/menuentry / {print $2}' /boot/grub/grub.cfg
cheers chrys
Zitat von Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com>:
Hi!
Is there a command for getting the the order of the grub menu?
I have debian as the first item as i just can press enter on that
one when the grub beep comes.
But i also have Vinux on my machine and i really don’t know where in
the menu it is.
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How to use jackctl from command line?
Hello, I am running arch linux on a vm. I have a radio automation package that can output to jack. I'm also using a headless interface. I am wondering how I can make jack ports and connections from the commandline because I don't have a way to install a gui. The automation system is called aras and its running aras-daemon The player program could not be installed because I wasn't using a gui. I will give you the site so you could look at your self. http://aras.sourceforge.net/ Thanks and greatings from indiana. -- Seth Hurst hurstseth...@gmail.com ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
I do not have jack_lsp, Jack_connect, and jack_disconnect
As the subject says I do not have either programs on my system. Ware would I go to get a hold of them. I also don't have any man pages for them. I checked the aur and I even checked pacman and there not there either. -- Seth Hurst hurstseth...@gmail.com ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: I do not have jack_lsp, Jack_connect, and jack_disconnect
Seth, Archlinux has a jack server package you can install to give you support for your radio automation VM. I searched the archlinux package listing. https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort==jack== And found this: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/jack/ hth, Joel On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 03:12:22AM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > As the subject says I do not have either programs on my system. Ware > would I go to get a hold of them. I also don't have any man pages for > them. I checked the aur and I even checked pacman and there not there > either. > > -- > Seth Hurst > hurstseth...@gmail.com > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Joel Roth ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
Re: How to use jackctl from command line?
Hello Joel, I was also wondering about the gui for that program. It said it could not compile because it did not have glib.h and I have no way to even know how to include that during the install process. On 8/28/17, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote: > Hi Seth, > > I use jack_lsp, jack_connect and jack_disconnect. > Man pages for all should be on your system. > > Joel > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 10:41:57PM -0400, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: >> Hello, >> I am running arch linux on a vm. I have a radio automation package >> that can output to jack. I'm also using a headless interface. I am >> wondering how I can make jack ports and connections from the >> commandline because I don't have a way to install a gui. The >> automation system is called aras and its running aras-daemon The >> player program could not be installed because I wasn't using a gui. I >> will give you the site so you could look at your self. >> http://aras.sourceforge.net/ Thanks and greatings from indiana. -- >> Seth Hurst >> hurstseth...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > -- > Joel Roth > > > ___ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > -- Seth Hurst hurstseth...@gmail.com ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
