Re: [steering-discuss] Re: confcall tomorrow
Hi all! Am Freitag, den 28.10.2011, 16:17 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: Le Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:45:38 +0200, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com a écrit : On 10/28/2011 12:05 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: tomorrow, at 1400 UTC, the next conference call takes place. Right now, we are in a transition phase from the Steering Committee to the Board of Directors, so I would like to explicitly invite those who are new with us to join this call. It would be ideal if we had most SC and BoD members to hand over the duties. And I just got the news that a family reunion I thought would start around 6:30 would actually start much earlier, around 15:30. So I won't be available... this sucks. I'll do better next time. Same for me ... most probably, I'll still be on the road tomorrow. If possible (but chances are low), I'll join ... however, my best wishes to the new BoD members. And thanks to the recent SC for handling stuff during this exciting first year :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Wednesday's call
Hi Florian, thanks for the ping ... I'll have to check my schedule at work; if I remember correctly, I do have another call to the US at the same time. At the moment, there is only the donation button for nonprofits that might need a quorum. Is that right - or is this just a discussion? Cheers, Christoph Am Montag, den 03.10.2011, 09:02 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, I might not be able to join Wednesday's call until the end - I have a meeting at 1700 UTC, and the call starts at 1600 UTC. In case we have the need for a quorum, I'd like to ask my deputy Christoph Noack to jump in if possible. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi Tom, all! A quick note ... mis-using the steering-discuss being an SC deputy. Am Mittwoch, den 10.08.2011, 10:35 +0100 schrieb Tom Davies: Sounds good to me but i'm curious about the Branding Team's thoughts on this. Italo? I'm not Italo, but I'm one of those who (with Bernhard, Nik, Ivan, ...) developed the today's branding. Personally, I would be happy if we could ship the non-tagline logo - and add the tagline on demand. This will make things more simple and even more visually attractive. When we worked on the motif design, Nik already made a draft how this could look like: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/b/b3/ScatterInContext_bunch.jpg So +1 to the proposal. One thing that - then - needs to be addressed is the todays tagline logo. Later this year, I'd like to propose a small revision to make non-tagline and tagline logo more consistent. Cheers, Christoph From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, 10 August, 2011 9:25:05 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy Hi, Andre Schnabel wrote on 2011-08-08 13:17: ... our default logos in the source tree use the TDF tagline (at least this was when I last did a build from source), but the tagged logo should be used for instance on .. software builds compiled by the Document Foundation. Imho quite easy to resolve: use the community logos per default for builds from source. Enable the Logo with TDF tagline on build time and tell people to use this only when doing builds that are supposed to be distributed via TDF resources. that indeed sounds like a senseful idea. What do others think? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] decision on screenshots
Hi Florian, sorry if this turns out to be a discussion (here) again, but ... Am Sonntag, den 07.08.2011, 13:12 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hi Christoph, Christoph Noack wrote on 2011-08-06 14:57: Screenshots for documentation, website and marketing should preferably be taken on GNU/Linux, but may also be taken on any other operating system. The Steering Committee acknowledges that there is a small legal risk involved for screenshots on non-free operating systems, but the risk is deemed low. The Steering Committee recommends a consistent visual appearance (e.g. theming) for the screenshots taken on the selected operating system. It is up to the LibreOffice community how to achieve that consistency. thanks for that! Honestly, I would leave out that last paragraph. This is something indeed the teams should decide, so I am not in favor of having that mentioned in an official SC decision. Although I also think that the paragraph I've proposed looks weird from the SC point-of-view, let's try it the other way round: Is the currently proposed SC decision (the first two paragraphs) helpful for the community and the project? At least it says that each individual, all of the teams are free in their decision - which is somehow good. But: when I've summarized the issue some mails ago, I got aware that screenshots are taken across all the teams (e.g. website, marketing, documentation, development). Screenshots and videos heavily influence how we (as a project) are perceived (by e.g. customers). In this case, some (balanced) recommendation by the SC might provide guidance across the teams. Unfortunately, decisions within the individual teams are hard, across the teams close to impossible :-) Consequently, I think that the two parts: decision (use any OS) and _recommendation_ (strive for some consistency, but decide yourself how to do that) adds value in this case. Let's try to keep the SC decisions as easy as possible. We could also mention that the resolution, the icon sets etc. should be decided by the teams, but I think this is out of scope for any SC decision True. So, would you object to leave out the third paragraph? :-) At least not hard - but please keep in mind that the originally proposed SC decision causes more uncertainty and inhomogeneity than we had before. So, I think that's the last pro active mail on this topic from my side (I already can hear some relief *G*). Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] SC Meeting: Minutes, 2011-08-06
Hi all, the today's meeting was (due to only few attendees, unfortunately) a very short one - here are the meeting minutes: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-08-06 SC members: Voting on the both proposals by Florian (logo/trademark policy, Windows screenshots) shall be done on the sc-discuss mailing list. Meeting Attendees: Please quickly check the meeting minutes (rather a formal request). Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Reminder: SC call this Saturday
Hi Florian, all! Am Donnerstag, den 04.08.2011, 20:55 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, this is just a quick reminder that the next steering committee call is this Saturday, 1400 UTC. Thanks! :-) Please feel free to add your agenda items to the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings @Christoph: I might be on the road on Saturday, so would you be able to jump in as my deputy in case I cannot make it? Yep, and in the ideal case you'll be able to take over 14:30 UTC, since I have to leave then :-\ So if we can manage the important decisions within 30 mins, everything is fine (for me). Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Please approve Simon Phipps as election secretary
Am Dienstag, den 19.07.2011, 16:39 +0200 schrieb Andre Schnabel: Hi, this was briefly discussed in our last SC-Call and in the following MC-meeting. To ease the work of the current MC and help with the BoD elections (help with communication, organization and overseeing the election process), we would like to name Simon Phipps as election secretary for our next BoD elections. MC will still be responsible to prepare and oversee the elections, but Simon will do most of the communication on the topic. So I'd ask each SC member / deputy to approve this proposal. +1 (but both members I'm deputy-ing already agreed) Thanks to Simon for his offer to make things run smoother for the whole community - that's great! Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] wording on TDF website
Hi Florian! Am Montag, den 11.07.2011, 16:10 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, I received some complaints that the wording on the TDF website (http://www.documentfoundation.org) is not accurate. While the meta tag correctly states The Document Foundation has the mission of facilitating the evolution of the LibreOffice Community into a new, open, independent, and meritocratic organization over the next few months, the website itself says that TDF is already a foundation, which is not totally correct. I therefore propose we change that text slightly, until we are legally established. Any proposals? Shall we just remove the first bullet point for the moment? Well, I remember some discussions when we worked on the mission statement - the difficulty to distinguish between the legally established foundation and the group/community/activity working towards that goal. So my proposals ... If we state Foundation (without The and Foundation) let's state activity - I'd like to keep this first bullet point. Its our history :-) If we say The Document Foundation, how about saying The Document Foundation group or The Document Foundation activity. I know the latter might sound a bit passive, but it might suite our needs until the legal status is established. Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Re: SC Call on Saturday
Hi Florian! Am Dienstag, den 21.06.2011, 14:39 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hi, I might not be able to join the SC Call on Saturday, as I am on the TDF admin weekend in Munich. Christoph, can you jump in for me? Hehe, I'm visiting my sister's family as well - but should be doable somehow; as long as we can stick with a usual phone conference. Unfortunately, I won't be able to test/stabilize the mumble service until the weekend. I hope this will be okay for the other participants. And, nice having the opportunity (duty?) to join again :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy
Hi Charles, hi all! Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2011, 16:42 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: - changes requested by Christoph: I added one sentence about the english version being the official one. As for usability, please go ahead :-) make sure people understand there's one page dedicated to the logos though. Okay, I had a look (or two) on the pages ... TRADEMARK POLICY Fortunately, there seems to be sufficient protection, since I was unable to edit the Trademark Policy wiki page. Thus, I've edited the content on my user page that should be (if the changes are perceived as improvements) copied to the real page. Charles, could you take care of that, please? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:ChristophNoack/Temporary_Work_Space#The_Document_Foundation_Trademark_Policy Changes: * Overall: Added some headings to improve the structure of the text and to ensure proper TOC creation by the wiki (although some changes might appear awkward) * Section Related Information: Added this section (referring to Logo Policy, Branding Guidelines) and linked from within the text to this section. * Section The Trademarks: Added list of the trademarks to ease the understandability -- By the way, the information is duplicated in Purpose; is that helpful? * Overall: Converted the text-only mail address into a clickable mail address * Overall: Changed hard formatting to a style that better fits to the wiki LOGO POLICY I've overhauled the logo policy, although the naming of some items seems still to be strange (I'd like to have some shorter names like: TDF Logo, Community Logo - or something like that). http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy Major Changes: * Moved the content to a table * Changed the point-of-view from we to TDF, and they/external to other -- Rationale: Most of the people will be part of the community, so it would be strange to tell them being external. The we for TDF seemed a bit too self-centered ... although it is correct from our point-of-view :-) * Added Usage Examples -- Are these descriptions okay, are more important ones missing? I think these examples have great value in describing when to use, when to avoid the TDF subline logo. * Overall: Improved description of legal mailing list (now: non-public) * Overall: Changed hard formatting to a style that better fits to the wiki Since there have been major changes, could you please thoroughly check whether the text still fits to your thoughts and our goals? Thanks a lot! Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: RE : Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy
Hi Charles, argh, sorry ... of course you said that you won't be fully available during the end of the week. Cheers, Christoph Am Freitag, den 04.03.2011, 06:53 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: Christoph, Darn, i only have my phone with me today and this weekend, Florian and/or the admin team can help you out... Sorry, Charles. Le 4 mars 2011, 12:13 AM, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com a écrit : Hi Charles, hi all! Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2011, 16:42 +0100 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: - changes requested by Christoph: I added one sentence about the english version being the off... Okay, I had a look (or two) on the pages ... TRADEMARK POLICY Fortunately, there seems to be sufficient protection, since I was unable to edit the Trademark Policy wiki page. Thus, I've edited the content on my user page that should be (if the changes are perceived as improvements) copied to the real page. Charles, could you take care of that, please? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:ChristophNoack/Temporary_Work_Space#The_Document_Foundation_Trademark_Policy Changes: * Overall: Added some headings to improve the structure of the text and to ensure proper TOC creation by the wiki (although some changes might appear awkward) * Section Related Information: Added this section (referring to Logo Policy, Branding Guidelines) and linked from within the text to this section. * Section The Trademarks: Added list of the trademarks to ease the understandability -- By the way, the information is duplicated in Purpose; is that helpful? * Overall: Converted the text-only mail address into a clickable mail address * Overall: Changed hard formatting to a style that better fits to the wiki LOGO POLICY I've overhauled the logo policy, although the naming of some items seems still to be strange (I'd like to have some shorter names like: TDF Logo, Community Logo - or something like that). http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy Major Changes: * Moved the content to a table * Changed the point-of-view from we to TDF, and they/external to other -- Rationale: Most of the people will be part of the community, so it would be strange to tell them being external. The we for TDF seemed a bit too self-centered ... although it is correct from our point-of-view :-) * Added Usage Examples -- Are these descriptions okay, are more important ones missing? I think these examples have great value in describing when to use, when to avoid the TDF subline logo. * Overall: Improved description of legal mailing list (now: non-public) * Overall: Changed hard formatting to a style that better fits to the wiki Since there have been major changes, could you please thoroughly check whether the text still fits to your thoughts and our goals? Thanks a lot! Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+help@documentfoundatio... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] SC Vote on first members of TDF
Hi all, Florian voted, Cor voted for Sophie ... nothing left for Christoph, except to express a double +1 as an opinion. Cheers, Christoph Am Samstag, den 29.01.2011, 10:51 +0100 schrieb Cor Nouws: Acting as deputy for Sophie: Charles-H. Schulz wrote (28-01-11 16:51) 1) approve that people listed at http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ are current members of TDF according to our ByLaws Yes 2) approve Fridrich Strba as member of TDF Yes Cor -- - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Minutes of SC call 2011-01-13 for review
Hi Stefan, Tom, David! Thanks for raising this question ... since David already answered, I'd like to comment some parts as well. Personally, I think the current decision doesn't convey the very positive mood of the discussion within the SC. Once the recording is online, I suggest to listen to some of the statements ... I found it very encouraging. Am Freitag, den 14.01.2011, 21:34 +0100 schrieb Stefan Weigel: Hi SC, Am 14.01.2011 16:20, schrieb Andre Schnabel: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-01-13 quote # decision: SC appoints a team of 4 people that will be responsible for managing the website for a trial period of two months this team consists of: * David Nelson (for textual content) * Christoph Noack (for user experience) * Ivan Miskovic (for design) * Christian Lohmaier (for infrastructure) /qoute Is this for the international (main) site only? Are we still allowed to use our roles as authors and publishers in Silverstripe, as we have done the past weeks? As far as I understand - no changes with regard to the local teams. I think the SC tried to achieve, that we do have a coordinated effort for the international site - and all the local teams can benefit. For example, I currently aim to raise some issues at the website mailing list, since I hope that some local teams will listen there as well - in the end, the English site addresses only a part of the whole community. Next, I consider myself to be someone who may provide help and support ... e.g. to help to evaluate proposals that are made with regard to UX. Our aim should be to actively invite people to provide feedback and shape content. But to implement this consistently, the team has been set up. I hope very much that the website team grows, so that we can share the responsibility with many more people :-) Historically, the local teams have much more experience providing dedicated sites ... Stefan, does this help? Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts
Hi all! Am Freitag, den 14.01.2011, 23:47 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack: And if there are still some concerns, my proposal would be: forename.lastn...@community.libreoffice.org Sorry for this proposal, I totally missed Florian's earlier mail containing a statement concerning sub-domains. Bad if one starts reading from the most recent mails ;-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Minutes of SC call 2011-01-13 for review
Hi Sophie, hi André, ... Am Freitag, den 14.01.2011, 18:59 +0300 schrieb sophie: Hi André, On 14/01/2011 18:56, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:20:04 +0100, Andre Schnabelandre.schna...@gmx.net a écrit : Dear SC members, please read, review and correct the minutes at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-01-13 Thanks for the minutes! As far as I remember, my proposal to draft a wiki page for the website team had been discussed as well. I hope this is correct (and helps to understand the SC decision), otherwise please remove the statement I've added recently ... During the trail period, the team is asked to draft a (e.g.) wiki page how the community can contribute. Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi Tom! Am Mittwoch, den 22.12.2010, 10:33 + schrieb Tom Davies: Hi David :) I prefer http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bbnG0Hny0SpccJIZsGp72A?feat=directlink because it has less information and looks prettier. Sadly, that seems to be what people want. Information confuses people and seems to need to be on subsequent pages. Also the picture on Well, there is no the people ... there are people having different requirements and living/working in different environments. Some guys want to have in-depth information in advance, some consume basic information and just want to give things a try. Thus, it is not about hiding information, but to provide it step-by-step - managing the concept what people can grasp. That is why I think that we miss the requirements of quite some users at the moment ... http://test.libreoffice.org took ages to appear and people don't seem to have patience beyond a couple of milliseconds and when it appeared the first image was 'horribly' complicated. Isn't it a gif? Could it be less size byte-wise? Same for me ... By contrast competitors websites show almost nothing and give almost no information. [...] I do think both are great and both do the job of easy access to the download. The text needs to be somewhere on the site and preferably just 1 click away or reached when the page is scrolled down, something easy. Yep. I would say keep the one we have already or switch to the one that is closest to completion whichever one that is. I'd say ... whatever helps us to satisfy the needs of the majority of our users. So even if it might take some additional work, it seems worth the effort. Regards from Tom :) PS this is only my opinion and i might be a little bitter and twisted nowadays Sorry to hear that :-\ Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
