Re: ADMIN: Another test from Yahoo...
Nick Arnett wrote: Not sure if we're there yet or not. Somebody post to the list! If I weren't getting my own messages, this would be easier! I just got this--I'm posting right back. Yes, I read you loud and clear... Oops, it's dated Monday. ---David Flood of old emails ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Creative spam
Just in case you missed this. I am working on an even better solution than spam blocking. Well, I say working on but at this point it is just an idea I through out last night to a friend or two. Here is the gist: You create a mailpass key. It's a public key which you pass to anyone who you want to actualy -give- your email address to. These people would then simply add your key to their mail tool as your mailpass key. When they send you mail the mailpass key would travel along with the mail. On your end, if the mailpass key was not correct the mail would be dumped into the trash and you would never have to look at it. You can do this today. You simply give everyone you want to send mail to you a string which must allways be placed in the to field. Curently you probably get mail with a -to-field that read seomthing like this: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] All you need to do is give out your e-mail adress as something like this: mailpass key [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is the whole thing including the quotes, the bit in quotes, and the chevrons. Now in your mail tool create a filter or rule which moves all incomeing messages that do not contain mailpass key without the quotes to the trash, or some extra directory. Maybe if we all did this the spamers would get so few hits they would discontinue the practice. If websites that asked for your e-mail would also ask for a mailpass key then you could have 2 or more keys hich you could give out based on who you were giving the adress to. = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why extra virgin olive oil is so healthy
--- Ticia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also a test. Have I been unsubbed or something? Why is extra virgin olive oil so healthy? Olive oil is rich in monounsaturated fats, but so is lard - so something else may be the secret of olive oil's remarkable benefits. Unlike vegetable oils derived from seeds, olive oil is derived from a fruit. This means that there are unique anti-oxidants not found in vegetable oils, known as polyphenols. Polyphenols are compounds found in fruits (like olives) and vegetables. They act as shuttle systems to move free radicals from lipid (fat) membranes to water-soluble anti-oxidants (such as Vitamin C) so that they can be removed from the body. Like a relay race, if one of the runners is missing, the race will not be won no matter how strong the other runners might be. Polyphenols act as the intermediate relay runner to take free radicals from lipid-soluble anti-oxidants (such as Vitamin E) and pass them off to water-soluble antioxidants (such as Vitamin C). This is the real health benefit of olive oil. That's why olive oil is so effective in preventing the oxidation of LDL particles (a primary cause of heart disease development) and in providing protection of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids from oxidation in biological membranes. From newsletter Zone Diet Weekly Tip from Dr. Barry Sears Zone bars are adictive. I had one for breakfast every morning for a week. The next day I ran out and had eggs and a bit of tuna. By the second day of being zone free I was having cravings so strong I left work to go buy a box. = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: Another test from Yahoo...
I just posted to the list and it seemed to work. I was using yahoo as well. --- David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Arnett wrote: Not sure if we're there yet or not. Somebody post to the list! If I weren't getting my own messages, this would be easier! I just got this--I'm posting right back. Yes, I read you loud and clear... Oops, it's dated Monday. ---David Flood of old emails ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
ECTS
I'm going as press. Anyone else? Want to meet up? Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ADMIN: More blasted testing
In a message dated 8/25/2003 9:38:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've upgraded Mailman from 2.1 to 2.1.2 and hope that now it'll behave. But there's also a patch I think I need to apply... Let's just see if this message gets out. Got it -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test message - now with CONTENT! :)
Julia Thompson wrote: The redistricting fight in Texas has inspired a humor columnist in Austin to come up with a new word - Perrymandering. If this message gets back to me, I'll reply and include a URL. Otherwise, well, if you go to statesman.com and look for today's John Kelso column, you can find it there. This came back to me, eventually. So here's the URL: http://www.statesman.com/metrostate/content/metro/kelso/0803/082603.html Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [KillerBzzz] Virus count
Robert Seeberger wrote: In the last 10 or so hours I have gotten about 300 copies of SobigF in my inbox. Am I alone or is the entire net being crushed under this assault? I've been getting about the same number. Fortunately, my ISP's spam filter finally got smart enough to catch it a couple of days after the onslaught on my machine started. __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Exorcism Ruled a Homicide
Boy's death ruled homicide Church elder sat on child's chest, police say; charges uncertain http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/aug03/164862.asp xponent Limited Freedom Of Religion Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [KillerBzzz] Virus count
Robert Seeberger wrote: In the last 10 or so hours I have gotten about 300 copies of SobigF in my inbox. Julia Thompson wrote: Me too. (But more like 500.) And a couple were supposedly from a listmember. I suspect that at least one list member or former list member had a computer infected by the virus, which pulled a bunch of our email addresses from the victim's address book. Quite a few of the viral mails I've received had From fields from former list member Alex Scollay, and also from [EMAIL PROTECTED], an address that looks awfully familiar, although I'm not sure where I remember it from. __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [KillerBzzz] Virus count
Steve Sloan II wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: In the last 10 or so hours I have gotten about 300 copies of SobigF in my inbox. Am I alone or is the entire net being crushed under this assault? I've been getting about the same number. Fortunately, my ISP's spam filter finally got smart enough to catch it a couple of days after the onslaught on my machine started. Lucky bum. My POP3 provider hasn't done so yet I've received over 600 copies today. Granted, most of those were probably backlog from when the mccmedia.com mailserver stopped sending (the notification that a post needs administrative attention includes the post and any attachments), but still, that's just a bit much. Julia who will be deleting a bunch of stuff from the quarantine area later ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [KillerBzzz] Virus count
At 08:49 PM 8/26/2003 -0500, you wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: In the last 10 or so hours I have gotten about 300 copies of SobigF in my inbox. Am I alone or is the entire net being crushed under this assault? I've been getting about the same number. Fortunately, my ISP's spam filter finally got smart enough to catch it a couple of days after the onslaught on my machine started. __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com tempting fate I have not had any trouble. I have gotten no patches, no nothing. /tf I'm gla the list is back. I sent an unsubscribe command, thinking I could kick myself back onto the list. hen the messages came through. I was getting worried, I thought I might have to start talking to the Culture people full time. Kevin T. - VRWC I got my deer head mount back today, the cat is not impressed. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: faux news endorsing Schwarzenegger in partisan race
At 08:02 PM 8/24/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm FOXNEWS ORDERS AN END TO WORD-PLAYS ON SCHWARZENEGGER MOVIES; SERIOUS CANDIDATE, SERIOUS COVERAGE Sun Aug 24 2003 16:10:31 ET Fox News Channel senior vice president John Moody has ordered an end to Schwarzenegger movie puns in news rotations, according to a report set for Monday release. So, judging by the subject line, he didn't really order an end to such puns? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination
Gautam Mukunda wrote: They do. One says that Pol Pot was a pretty good guy. The other was wrong about poverty rates in the 1950s. Do you really think that they're the same? No, I think the guy that has an audience of millions that take him very seriously and lies about a hell of a lot more than the poverty rate in the '50s is far worse than some guy most of us haven't even heard of who says ridiculous things like the above that no one in their right mind can take seriously. Much, much, much worse. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Testing...
At 08:21 PM 8/25/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: I've sent email to the list on Sunday (about not getting any email) but haven't seen anything in my inbox from the list since Saturday. I can see that a few messages have been added to the archive since then, but I haven't seen any of them in email. In fact the last list mail I received was the d.brin worldcon message at Sat Aug 23, 2003 5:02:08 pm Europe/London. Ditto. Until tonight, that is. So Dr. Brin's message broke his eponymous list? ;-) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Interesting little tidbit
At 03:24 PM 8/26/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Sometime earlier this year, I'd stumbled across a webpage that listed all the mascots used by Texas high schools, giving the number of schools having each mascot. At the very bottom of the page was the list of unique mascots. Hippo was on that list. Someone told my mom that Hutto is the *only* high school in the entire US with the Hippo as their mascot. Can anyone refute this? I'd be interested in knowing if it's true. Julia incubating two future Hippos I bet you feel like they already are . . . -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [KillerBzzz] Virus count
At 10:19 PM 8/26/03 -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote: I got my deer head mount back today, the cat is not impressed. How did (s)he react? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: testing
At 10:09 PM 8/26/03 +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote: At least I have made good use of the extra time available not reading listmail by reading more books. I made use of the downtime by (1) working on some still-unfinished graphics which should have been finished already and (2) school started yesterday, and I taught four classes on three campuses in just over 24 hours, on top of which it was so hot and humid I maybe got one hour of sleep last night . . . -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Religion is Funny and Must Be Enjoyed
It has been suggested to me that some here might derive some enjoyment from a piece I wrote some months ago, particularly since it's clear in retrospect that there was at least some subconscious Brin influence: http://www.thesugarbeet.com/archive/12-1/topstories/cetacean.html Ronn Har!!! Oh... last chance for any of you to buy Cheryl's full attending membership at Torcon at half price... ... we also have three childrens' memberships on offer. Let me know quick if interested. And thrive, all. With cordial regards, David Brin www.davidbrin.com -- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: testing
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:09 PM 8/26/03 +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote: At least I have made good use of the extra time available not reading listmail by reading more books. I made use of the downtime by (1) working on some still-unfinished graphics which should have been finished already and (2) school started yesterday, and I taught four classes on three campuses in just over 24 hours, on top of which it was so hot and humid I maybe got one hour of sleep last night . . . Jeeze, Ronn, you live down there and don't have AC? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: testing
At 09:09 PM 8/26/03 -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:09 PM 8/26/03 +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote: At least I have made good use of the extra time available not reading listmail by reading more books. I made use of the downtime by (1) working on some still-unfinished graphics which should have been finished already and (2) school started yesterday, and I taught four classes on three campuses in just over 24 hours, on top of which it was so hot and humid I maybe got one hour of sleep last night . . . Jeeze, Ronn, you live down there and don't have AC? Not at the moment, anyway. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Brin-L problems
I was already wondering that there are no new items in my Brin folder. Maybe it's the Worm Week? At least my computers are still healthy (a friend of mine had SOBIG and I had to find out and remove it manually because Internet connection was no longer working). Regards Armin -- From: Nick Arnett[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dienstag, 26. August 2003 06:41 To: Nick Arnett Subject: Brin-L problems I'm sending this message to the whole Brin-L list, to let you know that there's some weird problem I'm having with Mailman, the list server software we use. I'm working to resolve it, but so far, it's being quite difficult to figure out. Some of you have been getting list mail, some haven't. You can see what messages reach the server by going to the archives: http://www.mccmedia.com/pipermail/brin-l/ Feel free to send messages to the list as usual -- that might help me diagnose the problem. If they appear in the archives, but you don't receive them within an hour or so, please let me know (off-list!) Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: faux news endorsing Schwarzenegger in partisan race
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: faux news endorsing Schwarzenegger in partisan race Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:19:53 -0500 At 08:02 PM 8/24/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm FOXNEWS ORDERS AN END TO WORD-PLAYS ON SCHWARZENEGGER MOVIES; SERIOUS CANDIDATE, SERIOUS COVERAGE Sun Aug 24 2003 16:10:31 ET Fox News Channel senior vice president John Moody has ordered an end to Schwarzenegger movie puns in news rotations, according to a report set for Monday release. Somebody refresh my memory. Isn't Fox the company that finances/releases Ahnold's films? I wonder if that had anything to do with their position on the word puns, other than try to be serious about their work. JJ _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Interesting little tidbit
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 03:24 PM 8/26/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Sometime earlier this year, I'd stumbled across a webpage that listed all the mascots used by Texas high schools, giving the number of schools having each mascot. At the very bottom of the page was the list of unique mascots. Hippo was on that list. Someone told my mom that Hutto is the *only* high school in the entire US with the Hippo as their mascot. Can anyone refute this? I'd be interested in knowing if it's true. Julia incubating two future Hippos I bet you feel like they already are . . . No, right now, *I* feel like the hippo. :) That's not quite right. Hippos don't waddle the way I do. More like a lead penguin. (But not a cast-iron penguin -- lead is softer) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: faux news endorsing Schwarzenegger in partisan race
Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote: From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: faux news endorsing Schwarzenegger in partisan race Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:19:53 -0500 At 08:02 PM 8/24/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm FOXNEWS ORDERS AN END TO WORD-PLAYS ON SCHWARZENEGGER MOVIES; SERIOUS CANDIDATE, SERIOUS COVERAGE Sun Aug 24 2003 16:10:31 ET Fox News Channel senior vice president John Moody has ordered an end to Schwarzenegger movie puns in news rotations, according to a report set for Monday release. Somebody refresh my memory. Isn't Fox the company that finances/releases Ahnold's films? I wonder if that had anything to do with their position on the word puns, other than try to be serious about their work. Serious? Then what are they doing running The Simpsons? (Aside from making money off an extremely successful prime-time cartoon, that is) :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: faux news endorsing Schwarzenegger in partisan race
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:02 PM 8/24/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm FOXNEWS ORDERS AN END TO WORD-PLAYS ON SCHWARZENEGGER MOVIES; SERIOUS CANDIDATE, SERIOUS COVERAGE Sun Aug 24 2003 16:10:31 ET Fox News Channel senior vice president John Moody has ordered an end to Schwarzenegger movie puns in news rotations, according to a report set for Monday release. So, judging by the subject line, he didn't really order an end to such puns? Sense not you make do. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
BBC to put television show archive online
It looks like we'll be able to download all our favorite old BBC shows! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3177479.stm or: http://tinyurl.com/l12m -- Matt __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RFID's now with 500% more evil
RFID Gussied Up With Biosensors By Mark Baard Still stinging from failed attempts to introduce radio tags to consumers, retailers and their suppliers are now adding features to the technology to make it appear essential to the safety of the nation's food supply. As recently as last week, retailers and consumer packaged-goods companies have had to quietly dump efforts to implant radio-frequency identification technology into products or store shelves. The tiny radio transmitters let the companies precisely track the numbers and whereabouts of their inventory and consumers' purchasing preferences, which worries many privacy advocates. But many companies are now combining the tags with sensors that can detect the presence of biological and chemical agents, or signal that a perishable item has expired. By doing so, they hope to gussy up the controversial technology as an essential terrorism-fighting tool. The multifunction RFID tags will track America's food supply from birth to the bun, said one RFID tag maker. With biosensors attached to them, the tags can instantly alert suppliers and retailers to anthrax or other toxins in their products, and possibly make recalls more effective. In addition, the food companies hope the technology will protect them from lawsuits brought by victims of deliberately contaminated food. Antiterrorism designation from the Homeland Security Department will encourage the adoption of this technology by our customers, said Paul Cheek, CEO of Global Technology Resources, which has developed a supply-chain-auditing system incorporating RFID biosensors. If Homeland Security designates GTR's system, called Safe Check, as an antiterrorism technology, it will shield Cheek and his customers from lawsuits if the system fails to work as intended. The Support Anti-Terrorism by Fostering Effective Technologies (Safety) Act of 2002 authorizes the Homeland Security Department to name as qualified antiterrorism technologies any devices designed to thwart or mitigate the effects of terrorism. Users of approved devices will enjoy blanket protections from liability lawsuits arising from a terrorist attack. According to one technology industry lobbyist, the Safety Act was a backroom deal brokered by defense contractors, tort reform lawyers and congressional leaders. But the Safety Act has recently caught the attention of the food industry, which is now funding the development of RFID biosensors and pushing for their coverage under the Safety Act. Auburn University's Detection and Food Safety Center, which is partly funded by food companies, is leading much of the research into RFID biosensors. AU scientists are coating microscopic structures -- one a cantilever less than 100 microns long -- with bacteriophages, viruses that bind with anthrax and other biological and chemical agents. When an agent binds with the phage coating, the cantilever produces a signal for transmission to a handheld RFID receiver. AU assistant professor Barton Prorok, who is working on the biosensors, wants to combine the tiny sensor, a transducer and a computer chip on a stamp-size RFID tag, which can operate submerged inside a milk bottle, or in the juice at the bottom of a meat package. AU is in the early stages of its research, and a bacteriophage-based RFID biosensor is likely many years away. But several food companies have already begun testing RFID biosensors. Golden State Foods, one of McDonald's largest beef patty providers and its leading sauce supplier, has been testing GTR's technology for 14 months. Golden State Foods did not respond to a request for an interview. Another company later this year will begin tagging supply containers for a retail grocery chain. FreshAlert, from RFID chipmaker Infratab, combines RFID tags with temperature sensors and timers, to signal when perishables have become unsafe to eat. Infratab is also negotiating with a brewery and a sausage maker, which are interested in investing in its technology. The food companies, which say they want to use RFID to make their supply chains more efficient, refused to discuss any food safety and security applications for RFID biosensors. They may be touchy about their industry's history of poor record keeping and inept recalls. Less than 30 percent of recalled meats and poultry are ever recovered, according to estimates from food safety experts and the U.S. Department of Agriculture. They don't want to remind people of that (NBC News) Dateline episode, either, said the CEO of one RFID tag manufacturing company. Dateline last year discovered that retail grocers nationwide were endangering their customers' health by changing the expiration dates on perishable items. Infratab, GTR and other RFID biosensor companies will begin applying for Homeland Security antiterrorism technology designation as early as next month. But critics of the technology question whether the tags will ever be an effective tool for recalling
Re: BBC to put television show archive online
In a message dated 8/27/2003 11:22:36 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It looks like we'll be able to download all our favorite old BBC shows! Ying tong iddle i po Vilyehm Teighlore ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BBC to put television show archive online
At 11:13 2003-08-27 -0700, Matt wrote: It looks like we'll be able to download all our favorite old BBC shows! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3177479.stm or: http://tinyurl.com/l12m -- Matt I sense an imminent _Dr Who_ binge. And _Neverwhere_ and _Red Dwarf_ and _Hitch Hiker's Guide_ and... Jean-Louis, starting to look at high speed internet packages ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
shrub-lite Sends Lawyers to Represent a Fetus
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20030827.html Governor Jeb Bush Sends Lawyers to Represent a Fetus: Targeting A Mentally Retarded Pregnant Woman for Pro-Life Intervention By SHERRY F. COLB Wednesday, Aug. 27, 2003 Several months ago, Florida Governor Jeb Bush intervened in a case to try to have a guardian appointed for a fetus. Bush's motion was denied, but he has now sent lawyers to assist in the appeal. The fetus in question is believed to be a product of the rape of a severely retarded 22-year-old woman, who police say has the mental capacity of a one-year-old. If she is still pregnant, which is unknown, the woman - known as J.D.S. in court papers - is very close to term. Both pro-choice and pro-life groups view Governor Bush's efforts as an assault on abortion rights. But it may in fact amount to a far broader assault on the ideals of this nation. The Conflict Between Fetal Guardianship and the Right to Choose Abortion There are two ways in which guardianship for fetuses might conflict with the right to terminate a pregnancy. The first has to do with the status of the fetus; the second, with the status of the pregnant woman. If a guardian can be appointed for a fetus's protection, it may follow that the fetus is a person with entitlements independent of, and perhaps in tension with, those of its mother. Also, if her fetus's interests can legally circumscribe a pregnant woman's actions, then it is difficult to imagine that there will not be severe restrictions on a deliberate decision to deprive the fetus of life. In short, as a matter of logic, it would seem, guardianship for a fetus enhances the legal status of the unborn, and simultaneously diminishes that of pregnant women. Neither move bodes well for abortion rights. Governor Bush's Targeting a Retarded Woman Should Be Troubling To All Yet the case of J.D.S. also raises a different issue - one that should perhaps cloud its initially evident attraction for abortion opponents. The prospect of utilizing an advocate for a fetus who might clash in court with an advocate for a retarded pregnant woman has an undesirable implication. It looks, specifically, as though for Jeb Bush, people with developmental disabilities occupy a lower rung of the moral ladder than healthy people, for whose fetuses the governor does not seek guardians. The message - that a retarded woman has a lesser status than her normal counterpart - discredits the pro-life agenda in two ways. First, it implies that perhaps some kinds of abortion - those of babies with Down Syndrome, for example - might be less objectionable than others. And it does so, not on the neutral ground that no woman should be forced by the state to bear the substantial physical and emotion burdens of pregnancy. Instead, it does so on the eugenics ground that not all lives are equal. Second, it suggests that if a disabled woman does remain pregnant, her own medical best interests - as voiced by her legal guardian - ought to be subordinated to, or at least balanced against, those of her fetus. The fact that the pro-life Jeb Bush selects a retarded woman as a target for adversarial fetal protection law thus has disturbing implications for the value a pro-life society might place on its most vulnerable members. The Fact that J.D.S. Herself Has a Guardian Does Not Justify Targeting Her Pro-life readers might object that Governor Bush selected the J.D.S. case for intervention only because there is already a guardian involved (the retarded woman's), and it thus seems appropriate to bring in a second guardian. This explanation, however, ignores the fact that J.D.S. only has a guardian because of her mental retardation. Her guardian is thus empowered to protect J.D.S. in the way that competent women would ordinarily protect themselves. Introducing a fetal guardian changes the picture substantially. Currently, there is one decision-maker for J.D.S.'s body - a guardian who stands in the place of J.D.S.. But when a fetal guardian is added, there are competing decision-makers, one of whom is specifically installed to view J.D.S.'s body as little more than a live incubator. Consider an analogy. Say a four-year-old child named Jane has a rare blood type, and an unrelated adult named John desperately needs a transfusion of such blood. Assume further that Jane is injured, and her parents are advised to obtain a transfusion for their daughter. A lawyer for John, however, intervenes and tries to enjoin the transfusion. Jane will not die without the blood, the lawyer argues, but if she gets a transfusion, her blood will become unsuitable for John, who does need a small quantity of it in order to survive. Jane's parents will ordinarily make any transfusion decisions on their daughter's behalf, because she is too young to do so on her own. But that fact does not make it any more appropriate for John's attorney to weigh in on the matter in court, than it would be if Jane were thirty years old
Weekly Chat Reminder
This is just a quick reminder that the Wednesday Brin-L chat is scheduled for 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time, so it's starting now. There will probably be somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. See my instruction page for help getting there: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
unconstitutional House vote sanctifies religion
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/0803/27moore.html House vote sanctifies religion Judge Roy Moore, the chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, has drawn national attention with his refusal to remove a monument to the Ten Commandments from the Alabama Supreme Court, even though its presence has been ruled an unconstitutional endorsement of religion by government. Far fewer Americans know about an even more troubling turn of events. On July 23, shortly before Congress recessed, the U.S. House of Representatives voted to bar the use of federal funds to implement that ruling against Moore. In essence, they voted 260-161 to block enforcement of the Constitution. Of Georgia's 13-member congressional delegation, only two -- John Lewis and Denise Majette -- had the wisdom and courage to vote against the amendment. Unlike so many of their colleagues, they understood that our forefathers never intended government to sanction one religion over another. And clearly, the presence of the 2 1/2-ton Christian monument in Alabama's halls of justice is intended to do exactly that. Passage of the House amendment has had no real effect on the course of events. With Congress in recess the measure has had no chance to become law, and since that vote the eight other justices on the Alabama Supreme Court have wisely overruled Moore by voting to obey the federal court's order. That makes removal of the monument the responsibility of state officials, not federal marshals. Moore, whose previous petition to the U.S. Supreme Court to halt the removal was denied, is now appealing the substantive ruling -- that the Ten Commandments display in the courthouse is unconstitutional -- to the high court, which is his right. He has also been suspended from the bench by an Alabama judicial ethics committee for his refusal to obey the federal court order. In many ways, though, the vote by 260 representatives not to use federal money to enforce the Constitution is more troubling than the antics of one judge. It also demonstrates once again how wise our forefathers were. They understood that some rights are too fundamental to be left to politicians. -- Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every expanded project. - James Madison ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why extra virgin olive oil is so healthy
Jan Coffey wrote: --- Ticia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... From newsletter Zone Diet Weekly Tip from Dr. Barry Sears Zone bars are adictive. I had one for breakfast every morning for a week. The next day I ran out and had eggs and a bit of tuna. By the second day of being zone free I was having cravings so strong I left work to go buy a box. Try a breakfast of fruit (apple, pear, peach, sometimes the less good banana) and cottage cheese, I'm addicted to *that*! You also need to eat some nuts with that for the right fats... I make my own oatmeal almond muffins which are easy to snatch along on my morning commute together with my 'prepared earlier' tupperware box of fruit + extra cottage cheese (to compensate for the oatmeal sugar in the muffin). Yummm. Energy boost right through to lunch. :)) Ticia ',:) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
mongomery protestor demographics
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2003_08_24_dneiwert_archive.html#106179567260 601299 Behind the tablets Here's an interesting and amusing report from Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is located in Montgomery, Alabama, site of this week's excitement over the Ten Commandments: Just in case anyone's wondering about extremist content in re the 10 Commandments brouhaha in Montgomery: Last Saturday, the rally for the 10 Commandments included as speakers Howard Phillips of the Constitution Party (formerly USTP), along with Jerry Falwell and Alan Keyes and a number of lesser lights. The crowd was about 50 percent neo-Confederate, with flags and such, even though organizers were supposedly turning Confederate flags away. The crowd was working class and overwhelmingly white -- a careful count by me concluded that out of a maximum 2,000 present (it may have been closer to 1,500), there were at most 20 black faces. A funny moment came when a clueless Falwell invoked Martin Luther King, saying that Roy Moore was just like King. The entire crowd skipped a beat .. silence ... and then the most tepid applause you ever heard. Later, Falwell compounded the error by referring to America as a land of immigrants, and actually quoted Emma Lazarus. This time, the crowd's answer was deafening silence. Ha ha ha ha ha. You'd think by now Falwell would remember who his audience is. Meanwhile, in the crowd was our good friend Neal Horsley, along with his scary sidekick, Jonathan Toole. The First Freedom, Olaf Childress' patently racist (and now anti-Semitic, complete with references to the Jew World Order) and neo-Confederate paper, was being handed out, along with a variety of radical anti-abortion tracts and even several pieces of literature attacking Catholics (papists, etc.). One guy had a sign that read, The 10 Commandments or... then, on the other side, The 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto. Now, there's a choice! Overall, the whole thing has had the flavor of a New Yorker cartoon, the classic depicting a guy with a long white beard and a sign screaming REPENT! Lots of sackcloths and ashes, etc. Trucks with giant photos of aborted fetuses, another one painted all over with Irwin Schiff anti-tax propaganda. Of course, the chief extremist in all of this is Roy Moore. FYI, I would say that public opinion in Alabama (yes, Alabama) is running against Moore. You can see this in the TV coverage, the letters to the editor page, the people you hear on the street. Moore is seen as incredibly arrogant (moving the thing in in the middle of the night, etc.) and not particularly charismatic. God willing (so to speak), he has no chance to be our next governor, which is the real underlying program here. There have been a lot of arrests (30-plus), but they seem to all be of professional arrestees (that is, anti-abortion activists, most from out of state, who make a practice of getting arrested as a routine political matter.) Mark also informs me that Hutton Gibson was in the crowd. I also gather that Flip Benham of Operation Rescue notoriety has been hanging out in Montgomery. Among the other extremist participants: -- W.N. Otwell, who leads camouflage-garbed protesters at abortion clinics and who has protested race-mixing, calling America a white man's country. -- Greg Dixon, the leader of the extremist Indianapolis Baptist Temple. -- Michael Hill, president of the neo-Confederate (and definitively racist, not to mention openly secessionist) League of the South. -- John Cripps, a noted neo-Confederate. I wonder how many supposedly mainstream Christians are embracing these people's quest? -- Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history. -- Pat Robertson ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Interesting little tidbit
At 06:52 AM 8/27/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 03:24 PM 8/26/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Sometime earlier this year, I'd stumbled across a webpage that listed all the mascots used by Texas high schools, giving the number of schools having each mascot. At the very bottom of the page was the list of unique mascots. Hippo was on that list. Someone told my mom that Hutto is the *only* high school in the entire US with the Hippo as their mascot. Can anyone refute this? I'd be interested in knowing if it's true. Julia incubating two future Hippos I bet you feel like they already are . . . No, right now, *I* feel like the hippo. :) That's not quite right. Hippos don't waddle the way I do. More like a lead penguin. (But not a cast-iron penguin -- lead is softer) Just wait . . . in another few weeks, you can be the prize in a game of Hungry Hungry Hippos . . . -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: unconstitutional House vote sanctifies religion
At 02:58 PM 8/27/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/0803/27moore.html House vote sanctifies religion Judge Roy Moore, the chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, has drawn national attention with his refusal to remove a monument to the Ten Commandments from the Alabama Supreme Court, even though its presence has been ruled an unconstitutional endorsement of religion by government. Far fewer Americans know about an even more troubling turn of events. On July 23, shortly before Congress recessed, the U.S. House of Representatives voted to bar the use of federal funds to implement that ruling against Moore. In essence, they voted 260-161 to block enforcement of the Constitution. On the flip side, many are claiming that to forcibly remove the Ten Commandments monument would violate _their_ First Amendment rights of freedom of religion. (I'm not arguing one way or the other here, but simply reporting that both sides are using the same Constitutional argument to support their positions.) Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every expanded project. - James Madison Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: [but] the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. (John 8:31-36) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: unconstitutional House vote sanctifies religion
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 04:01:57PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 02:58 PM 8/27/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/0803/27moore.html Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every expanded project. - James Madison Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: [but] the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. (John 8:31-36) I much prefer Madison's life work to Jesus'. I'll take the US Constitution over all those silly bible quotes any day. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Global Warming
--- William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns4072 Europe may be breathing a sigh of relief as its record-breaking heatwave eases, but there is still plenty to worry about. Temperature changes caused by global warming are likely to transform agriculture on both sides of the Atlantic snip The eastern and western seaboards of the US will become much wetter over the next century, while some central states will become so starved of water that they will be unable to support agriculture at all. I'd guessed it from our drought -- Colorado is one of the places forecast to become more arid in this report: But Kansas, Colorado and Nebraska are just some of the central states that could suffer drought, the researchers say in two papers published in June this year (Agricultural and Forest Meteorology, vol 117, p 73 and p 97). So, are the idiot developers still putting in Kentucky bluegrass lawns instead of native prairie grasses? -oh, yeah. :/ Debbi Seems This Year's European Grape Harvest Is Good However Maru (not that i drink enough wine for it to matter to me maru) :P __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Cool Stuff
--- William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monkey Picked Tea - £13.95 Why not paws for a cuppa? This deliciously delicate brew has been hand - or rather paw - picked by specially trained monkeys. No, really! The industrious little fur balls are famous in China, and the leaves that they pick produce a wonderful, pale golden tea. http://www.firebox.com/index.html?dir=fireboxaction=productpid=617 snip And here I thought the writers of Sagwa (the Chinese Siamese cat cartoon) had drunk some 'way over-fermented tea when I saw that episode... ;) Twister Duvet Cover Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Creative spam
--- Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spammers can certainly be as creative as they can be annoying. With MailWasher, I am bouncing and deleting an average of 30 messages a day, probably twice that on weekends. I am assuming that those weekend spammers have real jobs during the week. :-) I received an email in my box today, but before I had MailWasher bounce it, I caught the name: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You gotta love that! snip Lo, these many years ago, in college Organic Chemistry, I and a friend created the 'O-chem Personality Wheel,' with categories from Ortho-normal (your basic staid and sedate microbiology major) on to Para-normal (included mushroom-tea drinkers) and Epi-normal (off-the-ringers who were fun at parties but not invited to all-night study/gossip sessions); Abi-normals were of course those too weird to relate even to DDers or SCAers! ;D Debbi Meta-normal Herself Maru :) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
