RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question
Andrew Crystall wrote: I'd point you to certain elements within Israel's current government. To some extent, they've been digging their own holes... Ah well. Let's just say my thoughs on the current Isralie situation do NOT make me popular. So did you approve of what Moshe Ya'alom said a few days ago? :) Ritu GCU Curious ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Marshmallows!
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Jon Gabriel wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Marshmallows! Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:11:52 EST Marshmallows! snip Marshmallows! Marshmallows! Marshmallows! Marshmallows! Marshmallows! Marshmallows! Marshmallows! Marshmallows! Marshmallows! Marshmallows! Marshmallows! Marshmallows! Marshmallows! Marshmallows! Marshmallows! Marshmallows! 879 unread posts and _this_ is the first one I open. I see that sanity has finally fled the list for greener pastures. So what did y'all do to drive poor Vilyehm over the edge? ;-) Jon VFP Just Wonderin' He was just trying to balance the cocoa thread. Check the cocoa thread for why he might want to balance it. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
worldwide active volcano's
An interesting interactive map of volcano's worldwide that are currently active or in the news http://www.volcano.si.edu/gvp/reports/usgs/worldmap.cfm ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
UFO sightings worldwide
An interesting map charting UFO sightings worldwide. This seems to be a serious attempt to track all edged UFO sightings worldwide. Interesting. http://www.larryhatch.net/MAPSMENU.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: worldwide active volcano's
Gary Nunn wrote: An interesting interactive map of volcano's worldwide that are currently active or in the news I'm too lazy to look myself... so somebody tell me, is the Cocoa discussion on that map? Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is, neither do we. In invading Iraq in the manner we did, without the support of the UN or even all of our NATO allies, and with little evidence that Hussain was involved in terrorist attacks against the West (and of course the complete lack of WMDs in Iraq), we have invited skepticism with respect to our motives. Doug Do you really think that anyone in Iraq cares if we involved the UN, or about WMDs, for that matter? The ones who supported Hussein would support Hussein regardless, yes? Everyone else _really hated him_. Even if the UN were involved, everyone in that part of the world thinks the UN is just an American front when it acts with us. Why mirror image your concerns upon the Iraqis? I rather imagine that they are far more concerned with getting rid of Saddam and establishing public order and a stable state than whether or not anyone finds WMDs in Iraq. = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: worldwide active volcano's
In a message dated 11/10/2003 9:06:37 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm too lazy to look myself... so somebody tell me, is the Cocoa discussion on that map? Naw, they stuffed a giant marshmallow down it's throat. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: worldwide active volcano's
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/10/2003 9:06:37 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm too lazy to look myself... so somebody tell me, is the Cocoa discussion on that map? Naw, they stuffed a giant marshmallow down it's throat. Sweet! -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:14:15 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is, neither do we. In invading Iraq in the manner we did, without the support of the UN or even all of our NATO allies, and with little evidence that Hussain was involved in terrorist attacks against the West (and of course the complete lack of WMDs in Iraq), we have invited skepticism with respect to our motives. Doug Do you really think that anyone in Iraq cares if we involved the UN, or about WMDs, for that matter? Yes. More importantly, if we had done it properly, external (to Iraq) support for the terrorists would be minimized. As it is (and as I stated before) we've created access for anti Americans throughout the world to attack us. Do you really think that all these attacks are being coordinated by Baathists alone? The ones who supported Hussein would support Hussein regardless, yes? Everyone else _really hated him_. But you don't take into account that there are many that really hate us, however irrational and misplaced that hate is. Even if the UN were involved, everyone in that part of the world thinks the UN is just an American front when it acts with us. Why mirror image your concerns upon the Iraqis? I rather imagine that they are far more concerned with getting rid of Saddam and establishing public order and a stable state than whether or not anyone finds WMDs in Iraq. But what the Bush administration didn't take into account was the difficulty of establishing democracy in a country that has no tradition of democracy. As we see in recent news the Iraqi governing council is on the verge of being dissolved because they can't seem to make any decisions. Are they interested in public order and a stable state or are they interested in protecting their turf? In any case I disagree that everyone in that part of the world thinks the UN is a US puppet. For one thing it's unlikely that the UN would be engaging in the kind of cronyism that the Bush administration is. For another, their motivations would not be as suspect as regards the oil reserves and related infrastructure. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: worldwide active volcano's
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:41:50 -0800, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/10/2003 9:06:37 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm too lazy to look myself... so somebody tell me, is the Cocoa discussion on that map? Naw, they stuffed a giant marshmallow down it's throat. Sweet! Sticky!!! -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question Do you really think that anyone in Iraq cares if we involved the UN, or about WMDs, for that matter? Well, there is a poll that I've seen that shows the majority of the people in Iraq see the US , on balance, being a negative influence on Iraq over the next 5 years, while the UN is preceived as being a positive influence. Another poll shows the number that view the US as liberators has fallen from 46% to about 16%, with two thirds now viewing the US as an occupying force. That same poll does show that most people do not want the US to up and leave, so the message is a bit mixed, but the trends are not very encouraging. As far as WMDs are concerned, its reasonable to assume that the direct effect of the non-observance of these weapons, and the conclusions that Hussein really didn't have significant WMD when the US overthrew him on the opinion of the people of Iraq was minimal. However, I think that the atmosphere we would be operating in if we did prove that Hussein was well on his way towards developing an atomic bomb, had massive stockpiles of very dangerous chemical and biological weapons, and had significant delivery mechanisms, would be far different. I don't think the US government was wrong in thinking that a true multi-national peacekeeping force, with tens of thousands of troops from non-Anglo, non-European countries would be very helpful in selling the forces there as a temporary stabilizing entity instead of an American occupation force. I think that the possibility of India and Pakistan contributing troops would have been far greater if the WMD were as prevalent as the administration stated they were before the war. But, that's not where we are. As far as I can tell from the opinion polls and other reports, the opinion of the US held by the people of Iraq is souring. We are being seen less as liberators and more as foreign occupiers. While the idea that people would welcome anyone who delivered them from a tyrant with open arms sounds extremely logical; things can often be more complex than this. For example, intervention in abusive families often/usually results in the victims of the abuse feeling resentment and anger towards the outside agency that intervenes. The shame of needing outside intervention to handle an internal matter can be very high. Different people/countries can handle that type of shame in different manners. Everything that I've seen indicates that people in that region are very concerned with face, and are willing to lie through their teeth in order to preserve face. I think the US is now in a race between their work to develop a stable representative government and autonomous security force and the deterioration of public opinion in Iraq. I don't think that its inconceivable that, if we fail to make much progress in the next 6-12 months, that the fight between US soldiers and those opposing us will be changed, in the minds of people, from a fight between the US and the supporters of a brutal regime to a fight between occupiers and local resistance fighters. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is, neither do we. In invading Iraq in the manner we did, without the support of the UN or even all of our NATO allies, and with little evidence that Hussain was involved in terrorist attacks against the West (and of course the complete lack of WMDs in Iraq), we have invited skepticism with respect to our motives. Doug Do you really think that anyone in Iraq cares if we involved the UN, or about WMDs, for that matter? The ones who supported Hussein would support Hussein regardless, yes? Everyone else _really hated him_. Even if the UN were involved, everyone in that part of the world thinks the UN is just an American front when it acts with us. Why mirror image your concerns upon the Iraqis? I rather imagine that they are far more concerned with getting rid of Saddam and establishing public order and a stable state than whether or not anyone finds WMDs in Iraq. Interesting. I've met a number of people in the US who feel the opposite way about the UN, that it's *not* anything that ever works in the US's best interests. These folks tend to be rabid about gun ownership rights, as well. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: worldwide active volcano's
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Nick Arnett wrote: Gary Nunn wrote: An interesting interactive map of volcano's worldwide that are currently active or in the news I'm too lazy to look myself... so somebody tell me, is the Cocoa discussion on that map? No, but a coffee discussion along similar lines would be. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Dan Minette wrote: But, that's not where we are. As far as I can tell from the opinion polls and other reports, the opinion of the US held by the people of Iraq is souring. We are being seen less as liberators and more as foreign occupiers. While the idea that people would welcome anyone who delivered them from a tyrant with open arms sounds extremely logical; things can often be more complex than this. For example, intervention in abusive families often/usually results in the victims of the abuse feeling resentment and anger towards the outside agency that intervenes. The shame of needing outside intervention to handle an internal matter can be very high. Different people/countries can handle that type of shame in different manners. Everything that I've seen indicates that people in that region are very concerned with face, and are willing to lie through their teeth in order to preserve face. Think globally, analogize locally? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Dan Minette wrote: But, that's not where we are. As far as I can tell from the opinion polls and other reports, the opinion of the US held by the people of Iraq is souring. We are being seen less as liberators and more as foreign occupiers. While the idea that people would welcome anyone who delivered them from a tyrant with open arms sounds extremely logical; things can often be more complex than this. For example, intervention in abusive families often/usually results in the victims of the abuse feeling resentment and anger towards the outside agency that intervenes. The shame of needing outside intervention to handle an internal matter can be very high. Different people/countries can handle that type of shame in different manners. Everything that I've seen indicates that people in that region are very concerned with face, and are willing to lie through their teeth in order to preserve face. Think globally, analogize locally? I was thinking more along the lines of offering evidence that people do indeed act in this manner, at least on a small scale. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
On trolling
On another list I'm on, where the perennial heated discussion is whether or not Dune is the most incredible pieces of literature on the face of the Earth or just a pile of pulp best suited for use as a doorstop, a thread came up in which various people claimed the title best troll. And one of them posted these rules for trolling: First rule of trolling: One Post. Second rule: Never respond. If you actively respond, then you are spamming. Thought I'd share and see what anyone else had to say on the subject. And, just for the record, I really do like marshmallows. I just shouldn't eat too many of them, you know? Julia functioning on 4 hours' sleep, isn't this fun? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: On trolling
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] And, just for the record, I really do like marshmallows. I just shouldn't eat too many of them, you know? Stale marshmallows are best. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Cites Insights math of six degrees of separation
http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/000449.html http://cites.boisestate.edu/civ3i13.pdf Cites Insights November 2003, and math of six degrees of separation Walt Crawford just published the November 2003 edition of his library 'zine (not blog) Cites Insights. It's excellent reading over many topics. More excellent, to me :-), is that I'm mentioned in three different places, in discussions of censorware, copyright, and perspectives on legal risks. I sent a few clarifications, though I don't think it's worth the space of going through the items for a post. Rather, to do a change of pace, the discussion of the Six Degrees Of Separation idea caught my eye: Once you leave a field, you need to look for other communities--and lots of us don't belong to that many communities. I'd be astonished if six degrees of separation for the world as a whole, or even for the United States, worked out in practice. It's a community thing. I'd be astonished if six degrees of separation for the world as a whole, or even for the United States, worked out in practice. It's a community thing. The result is right. Formally, it's a graph-theory mathematical result. Given a graph of 6 billion nodes, and each node connected to (a few hundred? a thousand?) or so total other nodes, what's the average length of the smallest path between two nodes? I don't have a reference to the exact answer, but it's low. The interesting experimental result of these studies is that estimating a good path in the real-world is actually practical. The key is that, while there's community clustering, people can figure out how to route a message across communities, if they want. The critical factor is figuring out the maximal jump per each link. As the results show, it's do-able. Note asking What's the number of hops for a connection? is very different from How many connections are made, versus die of disinterest?. That's akin to the issue of average life expectancy, where historically, there's a big difference between Average everyone's lifespans, from 0 to 100, versus If you survive childhood, how much longer do you live? - because many people used to die around 0. And many message chains die around 0 too. That is, overall, very few people may be interested in being routers (there's a lot of dropped packets). So if a path completes (every person is being a router), it has only a few hops necessary. But don't expect many paths to complete. Two different ideas. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: On trolling
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, The Fool wrote: From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] And, just for the record, I really do like marshmallows. I just shouldn't eat too many of them, you know? Stale marshmallows are best. Slightly stale marshmallows are good. I don't like them to get too far, though. Maybe I ought to put marshmallows on the shopping list. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Philosophical question
What is the mean of life? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Philosophical question
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:34 PM Subject: Philosophical question What is the mean of life? Julia It can be only be calculated when the end of life is known. At that point, one determines the point where there are an equal number of seconds in the life before and after that point, and that is the mean of life. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: On trolling
In a message dated 11/10/2003 8:33:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe I ought to put marshmallows on the shopping list. Julia Here, catch! -- ()_) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Philosophical question
In a message dated 11/10/2003 8:34:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the mean of life? Julia You can't have a mean because you know there's no such thing as a standard deviant. William Taylor - Somewhere on the Art Bell curve. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Philosophical question
Julia asked: What is the mean of life? Dan responded: It can be only be calculated when the end of life is known. I agree with you so far. At that point, one determines the point where there are an equal number of seconds in the life before and after that point, and that is the mean of life. I have to partially disagree here. If life, indeed, begins at 40, then you have to subtract 1,262,304,000 seconds (give or take a few) from the beginning, and then find the mid-point of the remainder. Reggie Bautista Loopy Much? Maru _ From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Philosophical question
Julia asked: What is the mean of life? Depends. Is n sufficiently large? Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Philosophical question
- Original Message - From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Philosophical question Julia asked: What is the mean of life? Dan responded: It can be only be calculated when the end of life is known. I agree with you so far. At that point, one determines the point where there are an equal number of seconds in the life before and after that point, and that is the mean of life. I have to partially disagree here. If life, indeed, begins at 40, then you have to subtract 1,262,304,000 seconds (give or take a few) from the beginning, and then find the mid-point of the remainder. IMHO, life begins at 40 is the most extreme pro-choice position I have ever heard of. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: On trolling
The Fool wrote: Stale marshmallows are best. That depends on just how stale they are. When we were cleaning out my parents' house after the tornado, we found a bag of marshmallows with an expiration date in the middle 1970's... Reggie Bautista Pretty Colors Maru _ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Continuing Education
Dan wrote: I like both Zeppelin and Yes from the early '70s. They explored rather different aspects of rock. Zeppelin did a wonderful job of exploring and extending the blues that underlie rock. Rock and Roll is a good example of this. Yes explored the possibility of a more classical music approach to rock. rob replied: Even Zep took some hits over their penchant for experimentation that led to songs such as D'yer Maker. And Robert Plant seems to have made a connection fairly early on between the blue note in blues (equivalent of a guitar string pushed to a pitch that is between the pitches of two adjacent piano keys such as F and F#) and microtonal techniques of the middle-and-far east. And yet by the same token, Zep wannabe bands like White Snake are partially to blame for the GlamRock trend of the 1980's. Of course, Alice Cooper and Kiss were also influences there Reggie Bautista When Imitation Is Not Flattery Maru _ Send a QuickGreet with MSN Messenger http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_games ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: On trolling
At 06:41 PM 11/10/2003 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: On another list I'm on, where the perennial heated discussion is whether or not Dune is the most incredible pieces of literature on the face of the Earth or just a pile of pulp best suited for use as a doorstop, a thread came up in which various people claimed the title best troll. And one of them posted these rules for trolling: First rule of trolling: One Post. Second rule: Never respond. If you actively respond, then you are spamming. I wonder if this person would consider trolling to include posting multiple articles every day, with insult-laden subject lines, propogate a single peculiar agenda?It seems to me that that situation would consitute trolling while violating the first rule above. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: On trolling
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: On trolling On another list I'm on, where the perennial heated discussion is whether or not Dune is the most incredible pieces of literature on the face of the Earth or just a pile of pulp best suited for use as a doorstop,. Why can't it be both? Dan M. You can count me out (in) Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Continuing Education
- Original Message - From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Continuing Education Dan wrote: I like both Zeppelin and Yes from the early '70s. They explored rather different aspects of rock. Zeppelin did a wonderful job of exploring and extending the blues that underlie rock. Rock and Roll is a good example of this. Yes explored the possibility of a more classical music approach to rock. rob replied: Even Zep took some hits over their penchant for experimentation that led to songs such as D'yer Maker. And Robert Plant seems to have made a connection fairly early on between the blue note in blues (equivalent of a guitar string pushed to a pitch that is between the pitches of two adjacent piano keys such as F and F#) and microtonal techniques of the middle-and-far east. And yet by the same token, Zep wannabe bands like White Snake are partially to blame for the GlamRock trend of the 1980's. You might add GunsNRoses and Bon Jovi. Both started out fairly Glam. xponent Extreme Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Philosophical question
Julia Thompson wrote: What is the mean of life? I would just like to take this moment to thank the respondents thus far for bringing a smile (actually an out looud laugh) to an otherwise shitty day, and for the reminder why I love this list - where else in the Five Galaxies are you going to find responses like this... Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Philosophical question
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is the mean of life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women! Oops, sorry. I thought you asked What is best in life? _ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: On trolling
Julia Thompson wrote: First rule of trolling: One Post. Second rule: Never respond. If you actively respond, then you are spamming. Hell no. Some of the best trolling is *developing* a running battle between participants and this can be done best by steering the argument in certain directions rather than smashing it there in one hit. Brevity and conciseness, yes - single strike, not necessarily. (Erik strikes me as someone *capable* of doing this well (though not necessarily inclined to do so) by gradually winding up the tempo rather than a single stir...) Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Continuing Education
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dan wrote: I like both Zeppelin and Yes from the early '70s. They explored rather different aspects of rock. Zeppelin did a wonderful job of exploring and extending the blues that underlie rock. Rock and Roll is a good example of this. Yes explored the possibility of a more classical music approach to rock. rob replied: Even Zep took some hits over their penchant for experimentation that led to songs such as D'yer Maker. I like D'yer Maker, and I'd say that most of the Zep heads I knew liked it as well, even if we did pronounce it Dire Maker for years. I never figured out the small line at the end of the liner note lyrics for this song: What ever happened to Rosie and the Originals? And yet by the same token, Zep wannabe bands like White Snake are partially to blame for the GlamRock trend of the 1980's. Of course, Alice Cooper and Kiss were also influences there I think Whitesnake had enough talent to rise above the Zep wannabe label. At least for their Slide It In album (my favorite), they had three Deep Purple band members on board. They did have that Zep sound though: the first time I heard them, it was my friend, saying Check these guys out, they sound like Zeppelin. _ MSN Messenger with backgrounds, emoticons and more. http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_customize ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: CBS - NYT
At 09:57 AM 11/8/03 -0600, The Fool wrote: From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:09 PM 11/7/03 -0600, The Fool wrote: Of particular concern to conservative critics was a scene in which Mr. Reagan says of gays who have AIDS: They that live in sin shall die in sin. Mr. Reagan made no such public remark, I still haven't heard your explanation of why IYO it was wrong of said critics to object to the script putting those words in his mouth. It was toned down from what he really said. Do you agree that what he is documented as actually saying was Maybe the Lord brought down this plague, because illicit sex is against the Ten Commandments? (The sentiment is the same if worded slightly diferently). Not necessarily. Many religious people believe that homosexual behavior is a sin. Some of them may indeed believe that AIDS is God's judgement on those who continue in their homosexual behavior despite being warned that it is a sin. AFAIK, few of those (with the possible exception of a few like the reverend Fred Phelps) want homosexuals to get AIDS and die. Most of them want them to repent and change their ways before it is too late. What evidence do you have that President Reagan wanted homosexuals to get AIDS and die rather than for them to stop behaving in ways which are likely to lead to them contracting the disease before they contract it and it is too late? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Get rid of that Bush Day
Thank you for providing this item to entertain me while I was trying to eat lunch . . . At 03:52 AM 11/9/03 -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: Posted on another list: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13600203_method=full _siteid=50143_headline=-WEIRD%2DWORLD%2DTHIS%2DWEEK-name_page.html The Mirror [UK] | 7 Nov 2003 WEIRD WORLD THIS WEEK By Steve Purcell Fed up with Tony Blair for always waxing lyrical about war, a group calling themselves the Opposition Society decided to put their words into action and on Tuesday called for women to wax for peace on National Get Rid of That Bush Day. Posters around Brighton called for other women to join them in protest and to Wax 'em off, put 'em in an envelope and send 'em to Tony Blair with a message stating...'I got rid of my Bush -- now you get rid of yours.' [...] ~~ Salon.com | 28 March 2001 Bush's pubic enemy No. 1 | A feminist art student launches a hair-raising protest. By Fiona Morgan March 28, 2001 | SAN FRANCISCO -- Jackie Sumell's art project, she says, is less about art than about social intervention. An MFA student at the San Francisco Art Institute, Sumell has put out the call to female friends and acquaintances: Shave your pubic hair, put it in a little plastic bag and send it to her in the mail (anonymously, please). Her rallying cry? No Bush! -- It's not yours, it's mine. It may sound ridiculous, and more than a little bit gross. (Sumell warns that her project is not for the faint of heart, and says her roommates are a little bit miffed.) But she's had a great response so far -- more than 200 contributors. She plans to hang the bags of bush on a clothesline at the National Organization for Women's April 22 march in Washington. And if all goes well, there will be 538 of them -- the number of certified votes by which Bush won in Florida, plus one. Sumell is using this number to symbolize the way the election has, she says, set back women's rights. xponent Get Rid Of That Dick Day Is Done Differently Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [L3] The Hazards of Watching Fox News
From: ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bryon Daly wrote: Yet another delay on my part, this time due to Diwali and work. :) No Diwali for me, just a very large, important, irate customer making things quite exciting at work for the past 3 weeks or so, and still ongoing to some extent. (I almost got a trip to Dallas out of it, which would have been cool, but the timing didn't work out.) Anyway, the end result of which is that I haven't been following current events in any detail for weeks, and at this point feel out of it and rather poorly qualified to continue discussing them (OK, someone has to say it: So what's new about that? :-) ) But it's been almost 2 weeks since you replied, and I'm feeling guiltier and guiltier for not replying, while at the same time thinking any reply I might make would be increasingly irrelevant, so I think the thing to do is apologize and bail out. So, sorry Ritu, your post deserved a better reply than this one, but I can't do it right now. -Bryon _ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Philosophical question
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:34:02 -0600 (CST), Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the mean of life? What is the mean of life, asks she, Ever so contempatively. Will the answer set her free? Follow the thread and we shall see. Is n sufficiently large? asks Jim As if it really matters to him. n could be full right to the brim, I think he asks upon a whim. Vilhelm, in a mini rant, Says there's no mean, you can't, Have one, (syncophant!) There is no standard deviant Dan says you first find the end, Then get the middle when you bend life in two. But I intend To find a better answer, friend Reggie, then, gives Dan what for, That's not the answer, he is sure, Life begins in decade four, Nothing less, nothing more. By Byron, the question is mistaken. 'Tis the womens lamentation! He answers with gesticulation, (Now that's a standard deviation) Have I an answer? I think I do. Having thought this through and through, I'm almost certian that it's true, The mean of life depends on you. 8^P -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Have yourself a little spammer's Christmas....
Julia inspired. Here we come a-tro-ol-ing among the internet; Here we come a-tro-ol-ing, to flame all we've met. Love and joy come to you, (we can make it longer, too.) And God curse you and send you a hundred emails And God curse you and send you a hundred emails We're not pamphlet droppers that go from door to door; But we are on computers sending what you most abhor. A. C. L. U. and send you a hundred emails A. C. L. U. and send you a hundred emails We have a little dead man with money Nigerian; We want your banking numbers--your riches to begin. Atheist you and send you a hundred emails Atheist you and send you a hundred emails God bless the master of this house, likewise the mistress, too; We mean computer, TV, and FAX--oh, yes we do! Click the cursor and read off a hundred emails Cry out, Curse you! and wipe out a hundred emails William Taylor Headache night. Can't you tell? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
