[L3]Re: Scouted: Orson Scott Card on The Campaign of Hate and Fear
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the Wall Street Journal editorial page: http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004435 The Campaign of Hate and Fear Some of my fellow Democrats are unpatriotic. BY ORSON SCOTT CARD much snippage on my part throughout But then I watch the steady campaign of the national news media to try to win this for the Democrats, and I wonder. Could this insane, self-destructive, extremist-dominated party actually win the presidency? It might--because the media are trying as hard as they can to pound home the message that the Bush presidency is a failure--even though by every rational measure it is not. I wasn't aware that public health is not among the rational measures of an administration's success. Since I have posted cited re: most of these particular issues, I will only list a few here: air pollution - heart disease, lung disease increased mortality AIDS - preventive information withheld, funding of prevention cut drastically (particularly for the developing world) arsenic in drinking water - increase in acceptable limits reversed after government research showed that it is even more deleterious than previously thought blood lead levels in children - one Bush appointee on environmental health at the CDC, Dr. William Banner, questions whether low blood levels really do affect children, although he allows that levels of ~50-70 are harmful -- several very good studies show that levels as low as 3 (IIRC the units are ug/dL, although they might be ppm?) cause intellectual and/or behavioural problems women's health - Dr. W. David Hager, appointed last year to the FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee, co-wrote a book on women's health in which he recommends specific Scripture readings and prayers for such ailments as headaches and premenstrual syndrome, and refuses to write Rxs for birth control to unmarried women. Now I think he can do whatever he bloody well pleases in his own private practice (although *I'd* certainly not put up with such a misogynist OB-GYN!), but to give him any power over all women in America is both ludicrous and dangerous. I will merely mention several other rational measures in which the Bush administration has also performed poorly: constitutionality, the environment, foreign relations (the economy I will have to leave to those better qualified to judge, but bankruptcies and job loss in CO are significant still - I can get numbers if anybody wants a cite). Then there's the peculiar public stance of chastising a democratically elected government for acting 'in their own interests' against a Communist one...with which we happen to have a huge trade deficit. Maybe that was supposed to make up for the public saber-rattling at China early in his term. ...Reuters recently ran a feature that trumpeted the fact that U.S. casualties in Iraq have now surpassed U.S. casualties in the first three years of the Vietnam War. Never mind that this is a specious distortion of the facts, which depends on the ignorance of American readers. This is of course as sneakily misleading as Mr. Card states; I cannot help but note that the same is true of threatening the American people with visions of mushroom clouds over our cities. Vietnam was a quagmire only because we fought it that way. If we had closed North Vietnam's ports and carried the war to the enemy, victory could have been relatively quick. However, the risk of Chinese involvement was too great... True, AFAIK (meaning, I agree that the American goal was not _victory_, but don't know the cites to back that), although I think the majority of Vietcong were much more dedicated (and vicious) fighters than most Iraqis have proven to be thus far. (Of course there are extremist terrorists of severe and vicious dedication - just not as prevalent in the Iraqi population as I had thought, before this war began.) In other words, the Iraq campaign isn't over--and President Bush has explicitly said so all along. So the continuation of combat and casualties isn't a failure or a quagmire, it's a war. What was declared over in May? Our soldiers will lose heart, because they will know that their commander in chief is a man who is not committed to winning the war they have risked death in order to fight. When the commander in chief is willing to call victory defeat in order to win an election, his soldiers can only assume that their lives will be thrown away for nothing. That's when an army, filled with despair, becomes beatable even by inferior forces... While I disagreed vehemently with the reasons for and the way this conflict was initiated and planned, now that we are there, we cannot leave until Iraq is secure and stable. To abandon the country now is not only to lose heart and face, but will provide fertile ground for more international terrorism. Leaving prematurely would allow another Taliban-esque
Week 16 NFL Picks
Thank goodness my horrible season of picking the NFL games is almost over. Here is one of my last gasp attempts to try and pick a perfect slate for a single week in the year: In Florida, I like TAMPA BAY to continue their domination of Atlanta. Up in Minnesota, everyone said that this would be a tough game for the Chiefs even before they lost two games. That hasn't changed, so I'll take the VIKINGS. On Saturday Night, the Meadowlands will be arockin' in a throw-out-the-records rivalry game. The Patriots in my mind really aren't nearly as good as their record shows, having won a ton of very close games on some nice bounces of the football, and will be upset. I'll take the JETS. Ditto for the rivalry game when the Fish come to Buffalo.The Bills have really put things together after a mid-season slump and Miami is in their annual December swoon. BUFFALO wins this one. In Cleveland, Anthony Wright's road woes will continue for the Ravens as Baltimore slides out of the AFC playoff picture and CLEVELAND wins. In St. Louis, with Peter Warrick out, by rights the Bengals should definitely lose this game, but I just have a gut feeling that something unpredictable is up here. I'll go with the BENGALS in an upset over a Rams team that I think is a bit overrated. Speaking of overrated teams, the Panthers haven't beat much of anybody this year all that convincingly. Still CAROLINA will beat Detroit on Sunday. Meanwhile, in Jacksonville, the JAGUARS will end New Orleans' playoff hopes behind a rush defense that has come out of nowhere to be nearly impenetrable. In threerun for the bus games, the Redskins will look ugly in losing to CHICAGO the Cardinals will be utterly crushed in SEATTLE, , and the Giants will Just End The Season in DALLAS In the southern part of the State, TENNESSEE will take care of business against Houston, no matter who the QB's are in that game. Lastly I see PHILADELPHIA taking care of business against San Francisco, and in a who knows, who cares game in Pittsburgh, I will take my sentimental favorite this season, the very exorably SAN DIEGO Chargers. LaDainian Tomlinson, who only leads the League in yards from scrimmage without getting a Pro Bowl nod will take out his frustrations on the Steelers. UPSET SPECIAL In the night cap, I see INDIANAPOLIS keeping pace in the AFC over Denver, and GREEN BAY nudging just past Oakland on Monday Night. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Thank Goodness
In case you hadn't heard the good news... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13579-2003Dec18.html Seized Citizen Is Ordered Released Bush Overreached Powers, Court Says NEW YORK, Dec. 18 -- A federal appeals court ruled Thursday that President Bush does not have the power to declare an American citizen seized on U.S. soil an enemy combatant and hold him indefinitely in military custody. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit, in a 2 to 1 ruling, gave the administration 30 days to release Jose Padilla, who allegedly plotted to explode a radioactive dirty bomb. He has been confined to a South Carolina brig without access to an attorney for 19 months. The President's inherent constitutional powers do not extend to the detention as an enemy combatant of American citizens without express congressional authorization, the court concluded in a decision signed by Judges Barrington D. Parker and Rosemary S. Pooler. Padilla will be entitled to the constitutional protections extended to other citizens. Thursday's ruling constitutes one of the strongest judicial rebukes of the administration's tactics in the war on terrorism -- in this case, its policy of aggressively detaining suspects without formal charges and without access to lawyers or their families. Also Thursday, a federal appeals court in California ruled that a detainee at the U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, should be granted a court hearing, and held open that possibility for all 660 alleged al Qaeda and Taliban fighters there. [See story, Page A19.] But the U.S. Supreme Court has already agreed to review the same question. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Michael Crichton is Evil and Must be Destroyed (was: Scouted: Environmentalism is Evil and Must Be Destroyed)
--- Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped most Regarding DDT: Banning DDT was not a mistake, as a matter of fact, Mr. Crichton's** insistance that it was a mistake, and that DDT is safe, are mistakes on his part... ...so an internet search of articles with many sources cited will have to do for now: http://www.seaweb.org/background/cetaceans.html http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/nature/journal/v375/n6532/abs/375581a0.html http://www.nature.com/nsu/010719/010719-3.html Here is the International Programme on Chemical Safety (IPCS) site on DDT: (it is a joint venture of the United Nations Environment Programme, the International Labour Organisation, and the World Health Organization) http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc83.htm#SectionNumber:1.8 The physicochemical properties of DDT and its metabolites enable these compounds to be taken up readily by organisms. High lipid solubility and low water solubility lead to the retention of DDT and its stable metabolites in fatty tissue. The rates of accumulation into organisms vary with the species, with the duration and concentration of exposure, and with environmental conditions. The high retention of DDT metabolites means that toxic effects can occur in organisms remote in time and geographical area from the point of exposure. These compounds are resistant to breakdown and are readily adsorbed to sediments and soils that can act both as sinks and as long-term sources of exposure (e.g., for soil organisms). Organisms can accumulate these chemicals from the surrounding medium and from food. In aquatic organisms, uptake from the water is generally more important, whereas, in terrestrial fauna, food provides the major source. In general, organisms at higher trophic levels tend to contain more DDT-type compounds than those at lower trophic levels. [Raptors are particularly susceptible to DDT's thinning of their eggshells, while ducks and chickens are not. This is detailed in the article.] Such compounds can be transported around the world in the bodies of migrant animals and in ocean and air currents This is a very detailed article with summaries of many studies on microbes, fish, amphibians, and birds - also affected were bats. Our national bird, the bald eagle, was threatened with extinction in the lower 48 states by hunting, habitat destruction, and poisoning: The greatest threat to the bald eagle's existence arose from the widespread use of DDT and other pesticides after World War II. (Lead poisoning from hunters birdshot was also a significant problem; its use was phased out by 1991.) http://www.usflag.org/bald.eagle.html ...With these and other recovery methods, as well as habitat improvement and the banning of DDT, the bald eagle has made a remarkable comeback. From fewer than 450 nesting pairs in the early 1960s, there are now more than 4,000 adult bald eagles nesting pairs and an unknown number of young and subadults in the conterminous United States. This represents a substantial breeding population... There are groups who deny the toxicity of DDT; here is one site: http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C06/C06Links/www.altgreen.com.au/Chemicals/ddt.html But women exposed prenatally to higher levels of DDT have decreased probability of pregnancy: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=12842376dopt=Abstract The decreased fecundability associated with prenatal p,p'-DDT remains unexplained. [OTOH, DDE exposure seemed to increase pregnancy rates -- these chemicals do have estrogenic +/or antiestrogenic activity; there is speculation that some herbicides, also found to have hormonal activity, may contribute to development of breast cancer.] In trout, DDT and its relatives/metabolites also have both estrogenic and anti- activity: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=12167306dopt=Abstract And DDT is merely one of the chemical soup contaminants found in the now-endangered Stellar sea lion: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=12826388dopt=Abstract ..SSL tissues show accumulation of butyltins, mercury, PCBs, DDTs, chlordanes and hexachlorobenzene. SSL habitats and prey are contaminated with additional chemicals including mirex, endrin, dieldrin, hexachlorocyclohexanes, tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin (TCDD) and related compounds, cadmium and lead. In addition, many SSL haulouts and rookeries are located near other hazards including radioactivity, solvents, ordnance and chemical weapon dumps... Shrimp larvae exposed to DDT have DNA damage: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=12568452dopt=Abstract In vitro DDT exposure damages or induces apoptosis (cell death) in neural clone cells: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=12523960dopt=Abstract Debbi Only The Ill, The Infantile, The
Re: Scouted: Environmentalism is Evil and Must Be Destroyed
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippage throughout I'm not sure that even a majority of environmentalists believe in the idea of a noble savage or that we need to save the planet (as if we could kill it). Ah, but that weakens his argument of Environmentalism as Religion. snort He also seems to think that all environmentalists (as if there weren't as much variety in them as in Democrats or Republicans or Catholics etc.) don't understand that Nature is red in tooth and claw frequently, and think all wild animals are cute Disneyesque figures, and believe in a Happy Golden Age When Man And Animal And Plant Lived In Peace And Harmony Together. How insulting. Maybe second-hand smoke isn't as dangerous as professed, but I am sure as hell happy I don't have to breathe it anymore. Anecdotaly, I got bronchitis *every time* I was exposed to 2nd-hand tobacco smoke for more than 3 hours straight (as at a bar, or driving in a car with a smoker -- I avoid such exposure religiously now). But here are a few recent studies that do seem to find second-hand tobacco smoke a health problem, at least for some people: Children, blood lead levels, and second-hand smoke: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=14569189dopt=Abstract Second-hand smoke exposure and blood lead levels in U.S. children [N=5592] ...The adjusted linear regression model showed that geometric mean blood lead levels were 38% higher (95% confidence interval [CI] = 25-52%) in children with high cotinine levels compared with children who had low cotinine levels. The logistic regression models showed that children with high cotinine levels were more likely to have blood lead levels /=10 mug/dL than were children with low cotinine levels (odds ratio [OR] = 4.4; CI = 1.9-10.5)... [Cotinine is a metabolite of nicotine used to document tobacco exposure, as opposed to self-reported exposure.] This is a full article/statement from the AAoP, with over 50 studies cited: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/99/4/639#B9 Results of epidemiologic studies provide strong evidence that exposure of children to environmental tobacco smoke is associated with increased rates of lower respiratory illness and increased rates of middle ear effusion, asthma, and sudden infant death syndrome. Exposure during childhood may also be associated with development of cancer during adulthood... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=14678338dopt=Abstract Passive smoking impairs the elasticity of the aorta in patients with coronary heart disease. We therefore studied the effect of passive smoking on wave reflection in the aorta, a marker of arterial stiffness, in healthy subjects. ...Acute exposure to passive smoking has a deleterious effect on the arterial pressure waveform in healthy young males but not in females, suggesting a possible protection of female gender from functional changes in arteries. OTOH, breast cancer seems to increase with smoke dose: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=12244030dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=12641186dopt=Abstract Nitric oxide (NO) is produced and detected in the exhalate from the respiratory tract where it plays important regulatory functions. Exhaled nitric oxide (eNO) concentrations are reduced in active cigarette smokers between cigarettes and in nonsmoking subjects during short-term exposure to environmental tobacco smoke...Exposure to environmental tobacco smoke transiently--but consistently--decreased eNO concentration in healthy, nonsmoking subjects, suggesting that second-hand smoke can directly affect NO in the airway environment. [Nitric oxide is also important as a vasodilator, and level reduction in local microclimates, as in the coronary arteries, contributes to coronary artery spasm - possible heart attack in a diseased or compromised vessel.] Second-hand tobacco smoke and heart disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=12198272dopt=Abstract To investigate the association between environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) exposure (at least 30 minutes a day) and the risk of developing acute coronary syndromes (ACS)...This study supports the hypothesis that exposure to ETS increases the risk of developing ACS. The consistency of these findings with the existing totality of evidence presented in the literature supports the role of ETS in the aetiology of ACS. [N~1900; figures reported in this abstract] The elderly and environmental tobacco smoke [that's the in phrase now, instead of second-hand smoke, as you can see from most of the titles cited]: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=11852892dopt=Abstract ...There is convincing evidence that ETS causes lung cancer and coronary heart disease, both of which are diseases of the elderly.
Re: Week 16 NFL Picks
In a message dated 12/20/2003 12:34:52 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank goodness my horrible season of picking the NFL games is almost over. You did much better picking Christmas music. I can't get any of them--and I was raised Baptist. William Taylor - IWBFCATIS . . . . . . . . . . . . . (not yet) . . . . . . . . . . . . (almost there) . . . . . . . . . . I'm Walking Backwards for Christmas, Across the Irish Sea ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Thank goodness
A real court ruling that means something. http://www.newsday.com/business/printedition/ny-bzmusi203592329dec20,0,7442469.story?coll=ny-business-print http://makeashorterlink.com/?B23734CD6 Court Win For Illegal Music Downloads A federal appeals court has sounded a sour note for the recording industry. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled Friday that the music industry could not compel Internet service providers to provide names of customers suspected of sharing and downloading copyrighted song files, dealing a significant blow to record companies' fight against piracy. Kevin T. - VRWC Music downloading doesn't kill anyone ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Week 16 NFL Picks
At 06:08 AM 12/20/2003 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/20/2003 12:34:52 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank goodness my horrible season of picking the NFL games is almost over. You did much better picking Christmas music. Apparently you're not the only one - as far as I've seen, there haven't been any attempts yet.I know some of them were hard, but by far most of them weren't *that* hard! :) Anyhow, this season has been very humbling, as I've been picking the football games against my Dad each week since 1988, and I've won four of the last five seasons.This year, I'm about 20+ games behind him. THat's a performance so ignomious that he can hardly even razz me for it. :-) JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Thank Goodness
At 11:36 PM 12/19/2003 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: In case you hadn't heard the good news... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13579-2003Dec18.html Seized Citizen Is Ordered Released It should be noted that this handle is one of the worst that the Washington Post has ever written. Further down in the article, the following paragraph more accurately describes the situation: If the 2nd Circuit's decision is not stayed -- many expect it will not be -- the Justice Department apparently would face three choices. It could hold Padilla as a material witness, charge him with a crime or set him free. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Is it Just Me? Re: Thank Goodness
At 11:36 PM 12/19/2003 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: In case you hadn't heard the good news... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13579-2003Dec18.html O.k., is it just me, or am I the only person who read the subject line Thank goodness and saw the words in case you haven't heard the good news and instantly assumed that the link provided would be to this article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16589-2003Dec19.html I mean, a dangerous State deciding to give up chemical and biological weapons, as well as a nuclear weapons program so as to join the rest of the world in the international community.All of that is somehow not the thank goodness - good news story of the day? I just don't get it sometimes. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Is it Just Me? Re: Thank Goodness
On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 09:09:09AM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: I just don't get it sometimes. You can say that again! -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
David Hobby asked: If we involve time travel and other near-infinite improbabilities, why not count the Heart of Gold? Not sure what book it's from. The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. A must read Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.
From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lets play a little game. I'll start things off by throwing a riddle on the table. The first person to correctly answer the riddle has the privilege of posting a riddle of their own. This guy went into the forest one day. Once there he got it, but he couldn't get it. So he left it there and brought it back home. What did he get? This sounds like a patient zero situation. A man goes into a forest, he picks up a virus, but is immune to the virus, so he can only be a carrier. So my answer is a virus that he is immune to. Am I right? Micahel Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Seasonal Puzzle
Since nobody else has taken a crack at it, I have filled in the ones I know, maybe that will spark some memories on the others. From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip I was also disappointed that one of my very favorite Carols wasn't included, especially since it isn't an easy one: 33. BATJI Some other good ones: 34. AIAM (Nothing to do with AOL.) Away in a Manger 35. OIRDC 36. CIC 37. HTHAS 38. AWHHOH (Ho, Ho Ho!) 39. AFTRG 40. TFN 41. E (Very popular among Catholics thanks in large part to the iconic Glory and Praise Hymnal) 42. GRYMG 43. COTB 44. WCIT 45. ISTS 46. CTIH 47. DYHWIH (Probably the easiest one as many of you have probably even seen this abbreviation before. :) Do You Hear What I Hear 48. DNP 49. MKTHCS 50. THC (No, not a drug, and not by Handel either.) And finally, as a bonus, one of my very, very, favorite Carols: 51. AMN (Hint: Non-English Carol) A double bonus, another song that isn't quite a Carol, but is certainly one of the oldest Christmas songs: 52. OMM Lastly, a triple bonus, a Christmas Carol that is most popular in a culture other than the culture of most Brin-L list members: 53. SGBTJ (Nothing to do with Meyers-Briggs. :) Ony two... I was raised Catholic, so maybe I would know the others if I heard them, but, then again, maybe not. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
SCOUTED: Ghostly image at Britain's Hampton Court
This truly qualifies as a ghost post. (sorry, Nick, couldn't resist using the quotes!) Likely a hoax, but neat none the less because I have been there Ghostly image at Britain's Hampton Court The Associated Press Updated: 2:03 p.m. ET Dec. 19, 2003LONDON - Are there ghostly goings-on at Henry VIII's palace, or is that hazy image of a fellow in fancy robes just a bit of Christmas cheer? Closed-circuit security cameras at Hampton Court Palace, the huge Tudor castle outside London, seem to have snagged an ethereal visitor. Could it be a ghost? We're baffled too - it's not a joke, we haven't manufactured it, said Vikki Wood, a Hampton Court spokeswoman, when asked if the photo the palace released was a Christmas hoax. We genuinely don't know who it is or what it is. Complete article... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3760119/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Thank Goodness
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:57:48 -0500, John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:36 PM 12/19/2003 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: In case you hadn't heard the good news... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13579-2003Dec18.html Seized Citizen Is Ordered Released It should be noted that this handle is one of the worst that the Washington Post has ever written. I agree. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Is it Just Me? Re: Thank Goodness
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:09:09 -0500, John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:36 PM 12/19/2003 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: In case you hadn't heard the good news... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13579-2003Dec18.html O.k., is it just me, or am I the only person who read the subject line Thank goodness and saw the words in case you haven't heard the good news and instantly assumed that the link provided would be to this article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16589-2003Dec19.html I mean, a dangerous State deciding to give up chemical and biological weapons, as well as a nuclear weapons program so as to join the rest of the world in the international community.All of that is somehow not the thank goodness - good news story of the day? I just don't get it sometimes. Did I say that that was not good news? Personally though, the integrety of the constitution is more important. I must admit that it proves that the Bush administration is capable of solving problems diplomatically. We could give credit to the Brits I suppose. 8^) -- Doug GSV That's a Joke, Son ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.
In a message dated 12/20/2003 8:36:44 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This guy went into the forest one day. Once there he got it, but he couldn't get it. So he left it there and brought it back home. What did he get? This sounds like a patient zero situation. A man goes into a forest, he picks up a virus, but is immune to the virus, so he can only be a carrier. So my answer is a virus that he is immune to. Am I right? Micahel Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] But the virus was what made his feet stinky. Travis may be in trouble. I think this list is capable of coming up with totally legitimate answers that are not the expected answer. William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Non-PC Humor from other lands
This was retold by VS Naipaul: In days of yore the Shah is reviewing the troops. He holds a rifle before a private and asks, Soldier what is your name? Private Ahmed, your highness! He takes Ahmed's rifle and examines it. What is this Private Ahmad? It is my rifle Sir! The Shah says No. it is your Honor, your Wife, your Sister, your Mother. He hands the rifle back. Private Ahmed steps back in line. The Shah walks down the line and examines a rifle from another private who happens to be a Turk (not a Persian) from d-e-e-p in the hill country. The Shah asks Soldier what is this? The Turk responds, with military precision, It is Private Ahmad's Honor, his Wife, ... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Week 16 NFL Picks
John D. Giorgis wrote: Thank goodness my horrible season of picking the NFL games is almost over. Here is one of my last gasp attempts to try and pick a perfect slate for a single week in the year: In Florida, I like TAMPA BAY to continue their domination of Atlanta. At the half, I think you're going to be at best 1-1 for this afternoon's games. On the bright side, did you know that it can be a lot of fun doing play-by-play for an infant? 1) Hold infant in front of you, facing you. 2) Peer over infant's shoulder to see the TV. 3) As the play is made, describe it in a high-pitched voice with all the enthusiasm you can muster. Between plays, comment on the score, the field, the coaches, etc. in the same enthusiastic, high-pitched voice. 4) Enjoy her smiles in reaction to your talking to her like that. :) Julia Tommy's asleep, Sammy isn't as interested, Dan is busy with something else, so it was just us ladies watching the end of the half ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:43:13 + Just go on the capabilities of that ship within it's own Universe, and apply it to our simulation. Some ships would quite simply have no chance against others. Star Trek Universe starships would take most anything we could throw at them based on what they can do within that Universe. If it's tough it's tough. The Star Trek ships can't even block attacks by other things from the Star Trek Universe! They would be easily blasted by anything. Alberto Monteiro I'm not talking about Federation/Starfleet ships. I mean ships in general from that Universe. Think about the dinosaur ship from Voyager. Or the Edo Guardian, as I have already mentioned. Many, many ships... _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.
From: Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun. Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:41:48 -0700 From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lets play a little game. I'll start things off by throwing a riddle on the table. The first person to correctly answer the riddle has the privilege of posting a riddle of their own. This guy went into the forest one day. Once there he got it, but he couldn't get it. So he left it there and brought it back home. What did he get? This sounds like a patient zero situation. A man goes into a forest, he picks up a virus, but is immune to the virus, so he can only be a carrier. So my answer is a virus that he is immune to. Am I right? Micahel Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is a probable answer to the riddle. However it's not THE answer. I mean if you had asked this particular riddle with a virus in mind as the answer, then a virus would be correct. It's a multi-answerable riddle I suppose. Just keep on guessing what it could be, until you guess correctly. -Travis _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: SCOUTED: Ghostly image at Britain's Hampton Court
From: Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brin Mail List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SCOUTED: Ghostly image at Britain's Hampton Court Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:15:56 -0500 This truly qualifies as a ghost post. (sorry, Nick, couldn't resist using the quotes!) Likely a hoax, but neat none the less because I have been there Ghostly image at Britain's Hampton Court The Associated Press Updated: 2:03 p.m. ET Dec. 19, 2003LONDON - Are there ghostly goings-on at Henry VIII's palace, or is that hazy image of a fellow in fancy robes just a bit of Christmas cheer? Closed-circuit security cameras at Hampton Court Palace, the huge Tudor castle outside London, seem to have snagged an ethereal visitor. Could it be a ghost? We're baffled too - it's not a joke, we haven't manufactured it, said Vikki Wood, a Hampton Court spokeswoman, when asked if the photo the palace released was a Christmas hoax. We genuinely don't know who it is or what it is. Complete article... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3760119/ It could be an entity with a phased cloak...then again it's probably a ghost. -Travis I love those Ghostbusters movies Edmunds _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun. Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:24:08 EST Travis may be in trouble. I think this list is capable of coming up with totally legitimate answers that are not the expected answer. William Taylor lol Actually I just realized my predicament, but covered myself as best I could in my previous post. -Travis keep on guessing Edmunds _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.
From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun. Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:41:48 -0700 From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lets play a little game. I'll start things off by throwing a riddle on the table. The first person to correctly answer the riddle has the privilege of posting a riddle of their own. This guy went into the forest one day. Once there he got it, but he couldn't get it. So he left it there and brought it back home. What did he get? This sounds like a patient zero situation. A man goes into a forest, he picks up a virus, but is immune to the virus, so he can only be a carrier. So my answer is a virus that he is immune to. Am I right? Micahel Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is a probable answer to the riddle. However it's not THE answer. I mean if you had asked this particular riddle with a virus in mind as the answer, then a virus would be correct. It's a multi-answerable riddle I suppose. Just keep on guessing what it could be, until you guess correctly. -Travis Ok, guess number two: A view. He took a picture to bring the view home with him, but left the view there. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.
From: Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun. Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:56:37 -0700 Ok, guess number two: A view. He took a picture to bring the view home with him, but left the view there. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] lol Nope. Yet another good guess though. -Travis _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
