Re: Hello (hello, hello) (Or, The thread that will not die)

2006-04-03 Thread David Land


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Re: Hello (hello, hello) (Or, The thread that will not die)

2006-04-03 Thread David Land

David Land wrote:


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There was more to the original message, but I think Nick's server may 
have gobbled it up. I'll talk to him tomorrow and see if that's the case.


In the meanwhile, talk (or sing) amongst yourselves.

Dave
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Re: Hello (hello, hello) (Or, The thread that will not die)

2006-04-03 Thread Ronn!Blankenship

At 02:15 AM Monday 4/3/2006, David Land wrote:


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Simon & Garfunkle?


--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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Re: Hello (hello, hello) (Or, The thread that will not die)

2006-04-03 Thread Julia Thompson

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

At 02:15 AM Monday 4/3/2006, David Land wrote:


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Simon & Garfunkle?


Garfunkel.

And have you been reading the comic Get Fuzzy?

http://www.comics.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/getfuzzy-20060328.html

(Ronn! might appreciate some of the ones for the rest of that week, as 
well.)


Julia



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Re: Hello (hello, hello) (Or, The thread that will not die)

2006-04-03 Thread Travis Edmunds



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Re: Hello (hello, hello) (Or, The thread that will not die)

2006-04-03 Thread Dave Land

On Apr 3, 2006, at 5:26 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:


Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

At 02:15 AM Monday 4/3/2006, David Land wrote:

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Simon & Garfunkle?


Garfunkel.

And have you been reading the comic Get Fuzzy?

http://www.comics.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/getfuzzy-20060328.html

(Ronn! might appreciate some of the ones for the rest of that week,  
as well.)


I love this group: give them nothing, and they riff on that!

BTW: Never heard of Get Fuzzy before, but thanks for the recco: great  
stuff.


Dave

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Re: Another study show cell-phone tumor link

2006-04-03 Thread bemmzim
Acoustic neuromas are slow-growing noncancerous tumors that develop on
a nerve linking the brain and the inner ear."

Technically these tumors are more accurately called vestibular schwannomas 
(They arise from the vestibular branch (balance controlling) rather than the 
cochlear (hearing contolling - thus acoustic) branch of the 8th cranial nerve 
and the cells are scwhann cells not neural cells). They are benign neoplasms 
(not sure where the popularly stated notion that benign tumors are not cancers 
comes from but  this is not really a good distinction since the border between 
benign and malignant tumors of many types is not sharp). 
""We looked at DNA damage in animals, not in humans, and found that
cell phone radiation can damage DNA," he said. The body's immune system
has the ability to repair DNA breaks, but sometimes it can make a
mistake and cause a mutation, which could be the first step toward
cancer, Lai said."
 
In instances like this dose is all important. How much radiation over how long 
a period of time? What size are the animals? (Radiation may penetrate to the 
vestibular nerves more easily in a small animal than a human). The fact of the 
matter is that I have been doing neuroradiology for about 30 years and I have 
seen no rise in the incidence of vestibular scwhannomas in my practice and none 
of my colleagues has commented to me that they have seen any increased 
incidence. I will hold an informal poll at the next national neuroradiology 
meeting in May and get back to you all but for the moment I remain very 
skeptical


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Re: Another study show cell-phone tumor link

2006-04-03 Thread bemmzim
 
Q. for Dr. Z: Is an acoustic neuroma considered a type of "brain tumor"? (Based 
on what I have read on the subject, ISTM the answer is "No," but then IANAMD, 
nor do I play one on TV . . . ) 

 It is not a tumor of the brain but rather a tumor arising from cells  (schwann 
cells) that cover nerves leaving the brain. Most but not all are benign. 
Generically we lump all of these together and central nervous system tumors but 
they do not arise from the cells that typically cause tumors in the brain 
itself. "Brain tumor most often arise from support cells in the brain 
(astrocytes, oligodendrocytes, ependymocytes) and lest commonly from neurons 
(Ganglioglioma, Central Neurocytoma, Primitive neuroectodermal tumors). Nerves 
cells rarely divide after developement and therefore are not subject to harmful 
mutations. 
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Re: Another study show cell-phone tumor link

2006-04-03 Thread Dave Land

On Apr 3, 2006, at 12:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

"Brain tumor most often arise from support cells in the brain  
(astrocytes, oligodendrocytes, ependymocytes) and lest commonly  
from neurons (Ganglioglioma, Central Neurocytoma, Primitive  
neuroectodermal tumors). Nerves cells rarely divide after  
developement and therefore are not subject to harmful mutations.


From my experience, I recommend a nice Mixed Oligo-Astrocytoma of  
the frontal lobe over, for example, Anaplastic Ependymoma. The  
former, in my experience, is a happy little indolent tumor that is  
easily removed and treated with just about the gentlest chemotherapy  
that can be had. The latter, in my experience is a rotten, murdering  
bastard that is evil and should be eradicated.


So there,

Dave

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Re: Another study show cell-phone tumor link

2006-04-03 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 4/2/2006 8:40:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Alternative hypothesis explaining the correlation between brain 
> tumors and cell phone use which afaik the study has not ruled 
> out:  it is the behavioral effects of a pre-existing brain tumor 
> which causes certain people to drive everywhere and walk everywhere 
> with a cell phone stuck in their ear because they apparently believe 
> someone is interested in hearing them talk constantly and give a 
> running commentary on their lives . . .
> 
> So everyone in New York has a brain tumor?
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Re: Another study show cell-phone tumor link

2006-04-03 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 4/3/2006 4:54:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> From my experience, I recommend a nice Mixed Oligo-Astrocytoma of  
> the frontal lobe over, for example, Anaplastic Ependymoma. The  
> former, in my experience, is a happy little indolent tumor that is  
> easily removed and treated with just about the gentlest chemotherapy  
> that can be had. The latter, in my experience is a rotten, murdering  
> bastard that is evil and should be eradicated

The word anaplastic is always bad. By far the best brain tumor to have is 
Juvenile Pilocytic Astrocytoma of the cerebellum. Totally benign completely 
resectable. If you are going to have an oligo it is betterf to be a pure oligo 
but 
the right anterior ftontal lobe is a good place because a wide resection is 
possible. On balance however the best is no tumor at all.
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Delay steps down

2006-04-03 Thread Robert G. Seeberger
The news seems to be that Tom Delay is dropping out of the race for 
Congressional re-election.
Having been recently absorbed into his collective I'm breathing a sigh 
of relief.


xponent
Politics Today Maru
rob 


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Re: Another study show cell-phone tumor link

2006-04-03 Thread Charlie Bell


On Apr 4, 2006, at 4:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The word anaplastic is always bad. By far the best brain tumor to  
have is

Juvenile Pilocytic Astrocytoma of the cerebellum.


Might I suggest that "least worst" might be a better descriptive  
ranking when talking about tumours?


Charlie

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Re: Delay steps down

2006-04-03 Thread Julia Thompson

Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
The news seems to be that Tom Delay is dropping out of the race for 
Congressional re-election.
Having been recently absorbed into his collective I'm breathing a sigh 
of relief.



xponent
Politics Today Maru
rob 


Got a link?

(I'm pretty happy, as well, if that's what's going on.  Now there's just 
that mess with Ronnie Earle to keep him in our paper here)


Julia
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Brin: A New James Morrow

2006-04-03 Thread Robert G. Seeberger

In The Last Witchfinder, James Morrow covers some of the same 
territory Doctor Brin points us toward and should be a novel of 
interest.

http://www.scifi.com/sfw/interviews/sfw12472.html


Quote:

A second tributary feeding the cataract that became Witchfinder was 
the creeping theocracy, gimcrack spirituality and anti-Enlightenment 
irrationality that saturated my native republic during the '80s and 
'90s. These tendencies are flowering fully under George W. Bush, but 
they go back to the Reagan era. Then, as now, the American affection 
for nonsense was ubiquitous. On the one hand, you had postmodern 
academics dismissing the Enlightenment because it supposedly places 
destructive technologies and specious arguments at the disposal of 
oppressors. On the other hand, you had religious conservatives 
detesting the Enlightenment because it leads to secularism and the 
satanic Mr. Darwin. On the third hand, there were the New Age 
mysticism-mongers, who hated the Enlightenment for allegedly 
engendering a cosmically clueless scientism. My satiric bone began to 
vibrate. I postulated that if you ever got the postmodern left, the 
religious right and the mystic fringe agreeing on anything, it 
couldn't possibly be true—and so I resolved to write a novel 
celebrating the Enlightenment.


xponent
Topical Maru
rob 


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Re: Another study show cell-phone tumor link

2006-04-03 Thread Ronn!Blankenship

At 08:21 PM Monday 4/3/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 4/2/2006 8:40:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Alternative hypothesis explaining the correlation between brain
> tumors and cell phone use which afaik the study has not ruled
> out:  it is the behavioral effects of a pre-existing brain tumor
> which causes certain people to drive everywhere and walk everywhere
> with a cell phone stuck in their ear because they apparently believe
> someone is interested in hearing them talk constantly and give a
> running commentary on their lives . . .

So everyone in New York has a brain tumor?



Thou hast said . . .


--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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Re: Delay steps down

2006-04-03 Thread Ronn!Blankenship

At 11:09 PM Monday 4/3/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:

Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
The news seems to be that Tom Delay is dropping out of the race for 
Congressional re-election.
Having been recently absorbed into his collective I'm breathing a 
sigh of relief.


xponent
Politics Today Maru
rob


Got a link?

(I'm pretty happy, as well, if that's what's going on.  Now there's 
just that mess with Ronnie Earle to keep him in our paper here)


Julia



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--Ronn!  :)

"Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country 
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER 
GOD.  Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that 
would be eliminated from schools too?"

   -- Red Skelton

(Someone asked me to change my .sig quote back, so I did.)




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Re: Delay steps down

2006-04-03 Thread Robert G. Seeberger

On 4/3/2006 11:09:31 PM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
> > The news seems to be that Tom Delay is dropping out of the race 
> > for
> > Congressional re-election.
> > Having been recently absorbed into his collective
> I'm breathing a sigh
> > of relief.
> >
> >
> > xponent
> > Politics Today Maru
> > rob
>
> Got a link?
>
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/04/delay.election/index.html

Just a month after easily winning a contested primary for his House 
seat in suburban Houston, embattled Rep. Tom DeLay has decided to drop 
out of his re-election race and plans to resign from Congress by the 
end of May.


xponent
Happy Happy Joy Joy Maru
rob 


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