Re: In defense of Biblical marriage
From: William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 03:30:00 + On 21 Feb 2004, at 1:10 am, Travis Edmunds wrote: In order to simplify my position, allow me to just say that God (as a concept) is delivered to us as an infinitely loving and powerful being. We are also led to believe that through prayer we can on some level communicate with God. Now shouldn't we, if God does indeed answer our prayers, need nothing else other than prayer? Well religious doctrine tells us different. But don't you see? I'm now full circle back to where I started. It's the doctrine itself that poses the problem. It's simply a way to keep people in line, by establishing such dazzling intricacies as "the human mind cannot comprehend God's plan". Well if that's not the most depressing thing I've ever heard, then I don't know what is! That reality TV is replacing scripted drama and every show I watch is being cancelled - after I got a widescreen TV and a satellite dish? Hey! I've got nothing bad to say about Survivor. Or a few other select reality shows for that matter. Besides, though dramatic shows may be scripted, they're often boring. And predictable. And redundant. And monotonous. And, did I mention boring? I just think that in keeping things simple, prayer, in conjunction with action, doesn't make any sense at all. My little sister (a home delivered breach-birth so she has to be excused)[1] [2]joined a Charismatic cult for a while (her brain-damage[3] makes her susceptible to cults and shite boyfriends) where they prayed for new washing machines and stuff. It all worked swimmingly until, like any other pyramid scheme, it all collapsed :) [1] My dad was a medical student for while. He got tubercolosis which scuppered things a bit and eventually scraped together enough credits to graduate and become a school-teacher. [2} Aaaargh! It's hideously deformed and has a split skull! No, it's a bottom..aaargh! [3] She didn't finish her BSc. And never fails to have odd conversations -- William T Goodall Well, that's some bad stuff. But I don't follow... -Travis _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: In defense of Biblical marriage
From: Tom Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 20:53:16 -0500 Now shouldn't we, if God does indeed answer our prayers, need nothing else other than prayer? Prayer is about more than asking for things. Jewish prayer involves giving praise and thanks, expressing wishes and hopes, confessing sins and pledging to do better, as well as asking for things. And even when asking for something, Jews understand that God often answers prayers through giving us the strength to go do what needs to be done ourselves rather than simply wishing and waiting. There's an old joke that illustrates this: Every day for years and years, Harry begs God, "O God, please let me win the lottery. Just once, please, let me win the lottery. If you let me win the lottery, I'll be charitable, I'll give a lot of it to the shul, I'll give to UJA, I'll give to the poor. Just let me win the lottery just once, please, God." And this goes on every day, for years and years. And Harry never wins. Finally, he's so upset, he cries out in anguish, "God, why won't you let me win the lottery? I'm a good person, I'm a good Jew, I go to shul, I give to charity, I pray to you, I'm good to my family and community. All I want back is I should win the lottery, just ONCE! And not even for all that much money, I'm not greedy. All I want is to win the lottery, and you NEVER LET ME WIN! WHY, God, WHY? WHY won't you let me win the lottery"? And from the heavens comes a majestic Voice: "Harry,Harry, you gotta help me out here - BUY A TICKET!" There is thought in Judaism that this is in fact HOW God answers prayers - by inspiring us to go out and do what needs to be done. You might then say, who needs God? I won't disagree with you. That is such a loaded question. But it's an interesting one at that. Think about this though. After all you have said and concluded, what does THAT say about religion? -Travis _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: In defense of Biblical marriage
William T Goodall wrote: > My little sister (a home delivered breach-birth so she has to be > excused)[1] [2] > [1] My dad was a medical student for while. He got tubercolosis which > scuppered things a bit and eventually scraped together enough credits > to graduate and become a school-teacher. > [2} Aaaargh! It's hideously deformed and has a split skull! No, it's a > bottom..aaargh! Ouch. Bad enough having one baby pulled out by the feet by a doctor who had experience in delivering babies breach (He's fine now. Oddly enough, the most even-tempered child in the house. Maybe after *that*, nothing could be worse for awhile?) Julia oh, and I don't recommend a pitocin drip without an epidural, but I've probably mentioned that already ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: In defense of Biblical marriage
On 21 Feb 2004, at 1:10 am, Travis Edmunds wrote: In order to simplify my position, allow me to just say that God (as a concept) is delivered to us as an infinitely loving and powerful being. We are also led to believe that through prayer we can on some level communicate with God. Now shouldn't we, if God does indeed answer our prayers, need nothing else other than prayer? Well religious doctrine tells us different. But don't you see? I'm now full circle back to where I started. It's the doctrine itself that poses the problem. It's simply a way to keep people in line, by establishing such dazzling intricacies as "the human mind cannot comprehend God's plan". Well if that's not the most depressing thing I've ever heard, then I don't know what is! That reality TV is replacing scripted drama and every show I watch is being cancelled - after I got a widescreen TV and a satellite dish? I just think that in keeping things simple, prayer, in conjunction with action, doesn't make any sense at all. My little sister (a home delivered breach-birth so she has to be excused)[1] [2]joined a Charismatic cult for a while (her brain-damage[3] makes her susceptible to cults and shite boyfriends) where they prayed for new washing machines and stuff. It all worked swimmingly until, like any other pyramid scheme, it all collapsed :) [1] My dad was a medical student for while. He got tubercolosis which scuppered things a bit and eventually scraped together enough credits to graduate and become a school-teacher. [2} Aaaargh! It's hideously deformed and has a split skull! No, it's a bottom..aaargh! [3] She didn't finish her BSc. And never fails to have odd conversations -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: In defense of Biblical marriage
Now shouldn't we, if God does indeed answer our prayers, need nothing else other than prayer? Prayer is about more than asking for things. Jewish prayer involves giving praise and thanks, expressing wishes and hopes, confessing sins and pledging to do better, as well as asking for things. And even when asking for something, Jews understand that God often answers prayers through giving us the strength to go do what needs to be done ourselves rather than simply wishing and waiting. There's an old joke that illustrates this: Every day for years and years, Harry begs God, "O God, please let me win the lottery. Just once, please, let me win the lottery. If you let me win the lottery, I'll be charitable, I'll give a lot of it to the shul, I'll give to UJA, I'll give to the poor. Just let me win the lottery just once, please, God." And this goes on every day, for years and years. And Harry never wins. Finally, he's so upset, he cries out in anguish, "God, why won't you let me win the lottery? I'm a good person, I'm a good Jew, I go to shul, I give to charity, I pray to you, I'm good to my family and community. All I want back is I should win the lottery, just ONCE! And not even for all that much money, I'm not greedy. All I want is to win the lottery, and you NEVER LET ME WIN! WHY, God, WHY? WHY won't you let me win the lottery"? And from the heavens comes a majestic Voice: "Harry,Harry, you gotta help me out here - BUY A TICKET!" There is thought in Judaism that this is in fact HOW God answers prayers - by inspiring us to go out and do what needs to be done. You might then say, who needs God? I won't disagree with you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: In defense of Biblical marriage
From: William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:58:02 + On 20 Feb 2004, at 11:24 pm, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 04:50 PM 2/20/04, Travis Edmunds wrote: Fair enough. One always needs to hope from time to time. But hope is perpetually optimistic. And it's been my experience that optimism is in most cases, a complete disregard for the truth. Isn't it awfully depressing to live your life always be expecting the worst? But that way you only get nice surprises, and every day! Haha! That's one way to look at it I suppose. -Travis _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: In defense of Biblical marriage
From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:24:16 -0600 At 04:50 PM 2/20/04, Travis Edmunds wrote: Fair enough. One always needs to hope from time to time. But hope is perpetually optimistic. And it's been my experience that optimism is in most cases, a complete disregard for the truth. Isn't it awfully depressing to live your life always be expecting the worst? -- Ronn! :) Well I wouldn't know. I'm not the eternal pessimist! In fact I can be optimistic to no end. I just realize that it's fanciful thinking more so than truthful thinking. But I still hide behind the veil of false hopes. It's how I stay sane. -Travis _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: In defense of Biblical marriage
From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:21:44 -0600 At 12:16 PM 2/20/04, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:02:22 -0600 At 08:46 PM 2/19/04, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "xBrin-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:51:14 -0600 Any good religious person believes prayer should be balanced by action. I don't necessarily think that's true. Especially since prayer is the action. Besides, if one has to "balance" prayer with something, anything, then it kind of defeats the purpose in the first place doesn't it? "Pray as if everything depends on God, then work as if everything depends on you." -- Ronn! :) I seem to be interpreting that in a few different ways. "What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be [ye] warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what [doth it] profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" (James 2:14-20) -- Ronn! :) Ah! Now I see from whence you come. -Travis _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: In defense of Biblical marriage
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:56:16 EST > Fair enough. One always needs to hope from time to time. But hope is > perpetually optimistic. And it's been my experience that optimism is in most > cases, a complete disregard for the truth. > I can't _prove_ faith, and I'm not trying to. I was merely putting forth the position (or, rather, _a_ position) that exists within my faith. It's how I try to live my life. My choice. Doesn't have to persuade you, or anyone else. Just what I think. Tom Beck I was hoping you'd say that. I was also "optimistic" that you were simply putting forth a position and not preaching. So I hope you can forgive me for taking such a hard line. I just had to be sure. My argument still stands however. Even in the face of religious doctrine. Of course people are encouraged through their faith to take affirmative action in conjunction with prayer! How else could results be realized? It's in that encouragement though, that things begin to fall apart. Or rather they begin to to get bogged down in a whole lot of gobbledygook. In order to simplify my position, allow me to just say that God (as a concept) is delivered to us as an infinitely loving and powerful being. We are also led to believe that through prayer we can on some level communicate with God. Now shouldn't we, if God does indeed answer our prayers, need nothing else other than prayer? Well religious doctrine tells us different. But don't you see? I'm now full circle back to where I started. It's the doctrine itself that poses the problem. It's simply a way to keep people in line, by establishing such dazzling intricacies as "the human mind cannot comprehend God's plan". Well if that's not the most depressing thing I've ever heard, then I don't know what is! I like to think that we have the potential to understand and better our knowledge of the Universe don't you? I just think that in keeping things simple, prayer, in conjunction with action, doesn't make any sense at all. -Travis _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: In defense of Biblical marriage
Well sure. And you can make exactly the same objection to ANY reason ANYONE puts forward for doing ANYTHING. The measure of a measure taken is of course not the sincerity of the person taking it, but its effect on others. I'm simply saying that Judaism believes in more than mere faith as a guide to living. It's a start, not a finish. Tom Beck -- "I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last." - Dr. Jerry Pournelle > And who exactly do you trust to decide what is and is not the proper > perfection? Who would you trust to make decisions on how the world > should be completed, (or if you believe as such), how God intended it > to be completed? > > I know of a lot of really bad things that have been done in the name > of God. Do you believe that those who did them did not firmly believe > that they were doing God's bidding? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: In defense of Biblical marriage
On 20 Feb 2004, at 11:24 pm, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 04:50 PM 2/20/04, Travis Edmunds wrote: Fair enough. One always needs to hope from time to time. But hope is perpetually optimistic. And it's been my experience that optimism is in most cases, a complete disregard for the truth. Isn't it awfully depressing to live your life always be expecting the worst? But that way you only get nice surprises, and every day! -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ "It is our belief, however, that serious professional users will run out of things they can do with UNIX." - Ken Olsen, President of DEC, 1984. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: In defense of Biblical marriage
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: In defense of Biblical marriage >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:53:23 EST >Judaism >teaches us that we are His partners in completing His creation. In Hebrew >it's >called Tikun Olam, "healing the world" or "perfecting the world." That God >deliberately left the world incomplete so that people could experience the >fulfillment of accomplishing its completion themselves. And who exactly do you trust to decide what is and is not the proper perfection? Who would you trust to make decisions on how the world should be completed, (or if you believe as such), how God intended it to be completed? I know of a lot of really bad things that have been done in the name of God. Do you believe that those who did them did not firmly believe that they were doing God's bidding? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: In defense of Biblical marriage
At 04:50 PM 2/20/04, Travis Edmunds wrote: Fair enough. One always needs to hope from time to time. But hope is perpetually optimistic. And it's been my experience that optimism is in most cases, a complete disregard for the truth. Isn't it awfully depressing to live your life always be expecting the worst? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: In defense of Biblical marriage
At 12:16 PM 2/20/04, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:02:22 -0600 At 08:46 PM 2/19/04, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "xBrin-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:51:14 -0600 Any good religious person believes prayer should be balanced by action. I don't necessarily think that's true. Especially since prayer is the action. Besides, if one has to "balance" prayer with something, anything, then it kind of defeats the purpose in the first place doesn't it? "Pray as if everything depends on God, then work as if everything depends on you." -- Ronn! :) I seem to be interpreting that in a few different ways. "What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be [ye] warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what [doth it] profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" (James 2:14-20) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: In defense of Biblical marriage
> Fair enough. One always needs to hope from time to time. But hope is > perpetually optimistic. And it's been my experience that optimism is in most > cases, a complete disregard for the truth. > I can't _prove_ faith, and I'm not trying to. I was merely putting forth the position (or, rather, _a_ position) that exists within my faith. It's how I try to live my life. My choice. Doesn't have to persuade you, or anyone else. Just what I think. Tom Beck www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last." - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: In defense of Biblical marriage
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:53:23 EST > I don't necessarily think that's true. Especially since prayer is the > action. Besides, if one has to "balance" prayer with something, anything, > then it kind of defeats the purpose in the first place doesn't it? > Not in Judaism. At least not in Conservative Judaism. There's something Napoleon supposedly said to his generals that sums it up perfectly: "Pray as if everything depends upon God. But fight as if everything depends upon you." Prayer is NOT enough. Really? I had no idea anyone knew the answer to that. All I know is that I know NOTHING of God (as a concept), and that action, on the part of humans is the only tangible thing in this type of discussion. Divine intervention? Please... Which brings me back to my point. If we have to balance prayer with action, then it doesn't really validate prayer very much does it? Unless one were predisposed to bury themselves in academia of the religious sort. God expects us to do His work in His world. Who exactly has been speaking to God, in order to garner this information? Judaism teaches us that we are His partners in completing His creation. In Hebrew it's called Tikun Olam, "healing the world" or "perfecting the world." That God deliberately left the world incomplete so that people could experience the fulfillment of accomplishing its completion themselves. No offense, but I'd rather put my "faith" into tangible things. If I jump into the water, I'm gonna get wet. Things of that nature. People pray for a lot of reasons. Not just for things but for strength, for guidance, for hope, for direction. And after that, we have to go out into the world and put our faith into action. Tom Beck Fair enough. One always needs to hope from time to time. But hope is perpetually optimistic. And it's been my experience that optimism is in most cases, a complete disregard for the truth. -Travis "placebo effect" Edmunds _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: In defense of Biblical marriage
> I don't necessarily think that's true. Especially since prayer is the > action. Besides, if one has to "balance" prayer with something, anything, > then it kind of defeats the purpose in the first place doesn't it? > Not in Judaism. At least not in Conservative Judaism. There's something Napoleon supposedly said to his generals that sums it up perfectly: "Pray as if everything depends upon God. But fight as if everything depends upon you." Prayer is NOT enough. God expects us to do His work in His world. Judaism teaches us that we are His partners in completing His creation. In Hebrew it's called Tikun Olam, "healing the world" or "perfecting the world." That God deliberately left the world incomplete so that people could experience the fulfillment of accomplishing its completion themselves. People pray for a lot of reasons. Not just for things but for strength, for guidance, for hope, for direction. And after that, we have to go out into the world and put our faith into action. Tom Beck www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last." - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: In defense of Biblical marriage
From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:02:22 -0600 At 08:46 PM 2/19/04, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "xBrin-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:51:14 -0600 Any good religious person believes prayer should be balanced by action. I don't necessarily think that's true. Especially since prayer is the action. Besides, if one has to "balance" prayer with something, anything, then it kind of defeats the purpose in the first place doesn't it? "Pray as if everything depends on God, then work as if everything depends on you." -- Ronn! :) I seem to be interpreting that in a few different ways. Anyway, how about this? "I know nothing of God, or the Devil. I have never seen a vision nor learned a secret that would damn or save my soul" That was where I was going with my original post. And I think that's along the same lines of your quote. I think. -Travis _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: In defense of Biblical marriage
At 08:46 PM 2/19/04, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "xBrin-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:51:14 -0600 Any good religious person believes prayer should be balanced by action. I don't necessarily think that's true. Especially since prayer is the action. Besides, if one has to "balance" prayer with something, anything, then it kind of defeats the purpose in the first place doesn't it? "Pray as if everything depends on God, then work as if everything depends on you." -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: In defense of Biblical marriage
From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "xBrin-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:51:14 -0600 Any good religious person believes prayer should be balanced by action. I don't necessarily think that's true. Especially since prayer is the action. Besides, if one has to "balance" prayer with something, anything, then it kind of defeats the purpose in the first place doesn't it? -Travis _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
In defense of Biblical marriage
<<http://www.thecommongood.org/CGN/3_3/biblicalmarriage.html>> In defense of Biblical marriage The Presidential Prayer Team is currently urging us to: "Pray for the President as he seeks wisdom on how to legally codify the definition of marriage. Pray that it will be according to Biblical principles. With any forces insisting on variant definitions of marriage, pray that God's Word and His standards will be honored by our government." This is true. Any good religious person believes prayer should be balanced by action. So here, in support of the Prayer Team's admirable goals, is a proposed Constitutional Amendment codifying marriage entirely on biblical principles: A. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5) B. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21) C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21) D. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden. (Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30) E. Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9) F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. (Gen. 38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10) G. In lieu of marriage, if there are no acceptable men in your town, it is required that you get your dad drunk and have sex with him (even if he had previously offered you up as a sex toy to men young and old), tag-teaming with any sisters you may have. Of course, this rule applies only if you are female. (Gen 19:31-36) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
