Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery
All Australian banks have a code called the BSB code, which stands for Bank/State/Branch. We don't have routing numbers, though - what are they used for? I suspect they are the same as your BSB code. Each country is different; and sending money from overseas is more complex still. Here is what you do to send money to me electronically from outside the US, from my `how-to' file. This talks about routing numbers. Wire transfers to Robert J. Chassell My bank is: Lee Bank 75 Park Street P. O. Box 627 Lee, MA 01238-0627 USA tel: +1 413 243-0117 tel: +1 800 843-4100 fax: +1 413 243-4415 However, my bank is small. Wire transfers go through Fleet Bank, a big bank in Boston, MA, USA. Please instruct your bank to wire Fleet Bank which will then credit my bank, which is Lee Bank, which will credit my account: Fleet Bank, 28 State St., Boston, MA 02109, USA Fleet's routing number 011000138 credit account at Fleet Bank for Lee Bank 0086605045 for further credit to Robert J. Chassell account 1880005590 Lee Bank's routing number 211870870 (You may not need Lee Bank's routing number, but I have included it in case you do.) To ensure that I receive all the necessary information, please also mail a letter to me that tells me your name, address, and telephone number and the date and amount of the bank transfer. Thank you. Robert J. Chassell 98A Golden Hill Rd. P. O. Box 221 Lenox Dale, MA 01242-0221 USA ### Please send money! By doing this, you can convince yourself that this method works, and that the money really does leave you and come to me. Think of it as an investment in your learning! :-) -- Robert J. Chassell Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.teak.cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 10:27:20PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: There are 2 kinds of bank account routing numbers: 1 for deposits, 1 for withdrawals. If you give them the routing number for depositing stuff in your account, they ask for the *other* number. At least, this is my understanding as to how they clean out bank accounts. Do you have any reference on this? I've never signed up for one of those services that allows the phone company or whatever to debit your checking account, but the sign up sheets usually just ask for a voided check. And the every check I've seen has the bank's routing number and the person's account number. I've never heard of an other number. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:27:44AM +1000, Russell Chapman wrote: I don't understand this - every time I sell something on eBay I give away my bank account info for them to put the funds into. How does the bank account info help them? When you say you give away your bank account info, what exactly are you talking about? (I don't mean post the numbers, I mean the descriptive terms for what you give, like routing number, account number, bank name, etc.) -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery
Robert Seeberger wrote: http://www.european-lotteries.org/pdf/dayzers_warning.pdf The scams are getting deep these days xponent Da Winner Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery
-Original Message- From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 5:44 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:27:44AM +1000, Russell Chapman wrote: I don't understand this - every time I sell something on eBay I give away my bank account info for them to put the funds into. How does the bank account info help them? When you say you give away your bank account info, what exactly are you talking about? (I don't mean post the numbers, I mean the descriptive terms for what you give, like routing number, account number, bank name, etc.) I apologize. The Nigerian scam uses this method, but it appears that the lottery scam is usually asking for money to open foreign bank accounts (Dutch Lottery scam), or to pay taxes or fees to cover the transfer from overseas. They usually ask for a money order. Some of the lottery scams do attempt to get bank account info, though, by having the mark fill out an online form. I suspect that some marks feel if they are entering info into an online form, that it is somehow guaranteed or secure. Nerd From Hell -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery
- Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery Robert Seeberger wrote: http://www.european-lotteries.org/pdf/dayzers_warning.pdf The scams are getting deep these days Thanks Sonja xponent Winning Smile Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery
Erik Reuter wrote: When you say you give away your bank account info, what exactly are you talking about? (I don't mean post the numbers, I mean the descriptive terms for what you give, like routing number, account number, bank name, etc.) All Australian banks have a code called the BSB code, which stands for Bank/State/Branch. So my account with ANZ has a BSB of 014-592 (0=nationwide bank, 1=ANZ, 4=Queensland and 592 is the Townsville branch where my account is). At that branch I have a standard cheque account, with a 9 digit account number. So if I give you my BSB and account number, you can pay into my account. You can pay it at any Australian bank or Post Office, but there will be fees and a day's delay compared to paying it into a branch of my bank. You can also add the eBay auction number as the transaction reference, and that will show on my statement. But it won't help you withdraw any. There are plenty of ways of drawing money out of my account without a cheque, online, in person, or even by phone, but this information isn't anywhere near sufficient. This information I've given out to eBay buyers is written on the bottom of every cheque I write as well, so it's hardly secret ... We don't have routing numbers, though - what are they used for? Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery
Sonja van Baardwijk wrote: http://www.european-lotteries.org/pdf/dayzers_warning.pdf Interesting that the warning was posted in English first and Dutch second - one assumes that the scam is aimed at those ignorant Americans...;-) Nice to see your virtual smile again Sonja! Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Robert Seeberger wrote: The scams are getting deep these days Mr. JANZEN LOT ROBERT DAYZERS LOTERIJ NL. [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're gonna run a scam on this scale, you'd think they'd at least bother to register a domain name and redirect mail through it to his netscape address. An address like that kinda lacks credibility... I wonder how they plan on fleecing the winners? Perhaps get you to spend existing cash on next year's lottery in anticipation of your winnings? Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery
This is new class of scam. They attempt to get your bank account info to put the winnings into It is very fraudlent. NFH -Original Message- From: Russell Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:35 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery Robert Seeberger wrote: The scams are getting deep these days Mr. JANZEN LOT ROBERT DAYZERS LOTERIJ NL. [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're gonna run a scam on this scale, you'd think they'd at least bother to register a domain name and redirect mail through it to his netscape address. An address like that kinda lacks credibility... I wonder how they plan on fleecing the winners? Perhaps get you to spend existing cash on next year's lottery in anticipation of your winnings? Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Chad Cooper wrote: This is new class of scam. They attempt to get your bank account info to put the winnings into It is very fraudlent. NFH I don't understand this - every time I sell something on eBay I give away my bank account info for them to put the funds into. How does the bank account info help them? Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:27:44AM +1000, Russell Chapman wrote: I don't understand this - every time I sell something on eBay I give away my bank account info for them to put the funds into. How does the bank account info help them? I'm just guessing, but maybe a con man could figure out a way to contact your bank and con them into wiring money from your account to an account that he can take the money out of? Or if it is a checking account, maybe a con man could print fake checks drawn on your account? Whatever the scheme, I guess they are probably looking for accounts with certain banks which they either have inside contacts with or otherwise know that their security is poor. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery
Russell Chapman wrote: Chad Cooper wrote: This is new class of scam. They attempt to get your bank account info to put the winnings into It is very fraudlent. NFH I don't understand this - every time I sell something on eBay I give away my bank account info for them to put the funds into. How does the bank account info help them? There are 2 kinds of bank account routing numbers: 1 for deposits, 1 for withdrawals. If you give them the routing number for depositing stuff in your account, they ask for the *other* number. At least, this is my understanding as to how they clean out bank accounts. When you sell something on eBay, they have the deposit info. But (I assume) you don't give them the info to make a withdrawal. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery
From: Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert Seeberger wrote: The scams are getting deep these days Mr. JANZEN LOT ROBERT DAYZERS LOTERIJ NL. [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're gonna run a scam on this scale, you'd think they'd at least bother to register a domain name and redirect mail through it to his netscape address. An address like that kinda lacks credibility... Getting a domain just makes them more traceable. They get an account on a free service, usually using false information so that they can't be tracked. I wonder how they plan on fleecing the winners? Perhaps get you to spend existing cash on next year's lottery in anticipation of your winnings? Similar scams to this one ask that you send money to them to alledgedly cover the wire transfer and bank fees. Most people who fall for it are scammed out of tens of thousands of dollars before they realize that they are being scammed. Greed... it always tends to turn people stupid. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much... the wheel, New York, wars, and so on, whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely the dolphins believed themselves to be more intelligent than man for precisely the same reasons. - Douglas Adams ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Russell Chapman wrote: Chad Cooper wrote: This is new class of scam. They attempt to get your bank account info to put the winnings into It is very fraudlent. NFH I don't understand this - every time I sell something on eBay I give away my bank account info for them to put the funds into. How does the bank account info help them? There are 2 kinds of bank account routing numbers: 1 for deposits, 1 for withdrawals. If you give them the routing number for depositing stuff in your account, they ask for the *other* number. At least, this is my understanding as to how they clean out bank accounts. They also might be able to use your bank account numbers to apply for credit cards and perpetrate other types of identity fraud. Pretty scary stuff, because your wrecked credit can keep coming back to haunt you, years after it's supposedly straightened out. -bry _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery
Chad Cooper wrote: This is new class of scam. They attempt to get your bank account info to put the winnings into It is very fraudlent. NFH Robert Seeberger wrote: The scams are getting deep these days Mr. JANZEN LOT ROBERT DAYZERS LOTERIJ NL. [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're gonna run a scam on this scale, you'd think they'd at least bother to register a domain name and redirect mail through it to his netscape address. An address like that kinda lacks credibility... I wonder how they plan on fleecing the winners? Perhaps get you to spend existing cash on next year's lottery in anticipation of your winnings? Cheers Russell C. I had guessed this was one of those where the plan was to get you to simply call the phone number, which would turn out to place exorbinant charges on your phone bill. Although Direct telephone +31 620770197 does seem to actually be in the Netherlands. (But maybe 620 is Dutch for 976?) ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
