Re: Liberia's woes
At 08:29 PM 6/27/03 +0100, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 27 Jun 2003 at 13:02, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > At 06:47 PM 6/27/03 +0100, Andrew Crystall wrote: > >On 27 Jun 2003 at 8:59, Chad Cooper wrote: > > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/931163.asp > > > > > > "Angry crowds laid the bodies of murdered civilians, attacked > > > while sheltering in the U.S. diplomatic complex, outside the U.S. > > > Embassy in Liberia's capital, accusing the United States of > > > failing to protect Monrovia's people." > > > >Didn't you read the "in the U.S. diplomatic complex". If they can't > >defend the complex, then they need to seal it off, or to evacuate... > > And if they *had* defended it, the headlines would read "U.S. Butchers > Open Fire, Slaughter Peaceful Demonstrators". Peaceful demonstrators with knives and guns..right. And yes, I'd rather see a "bloodbath" - rioters killed - than innocent people dragged to their deaths. Andy Dawn Falcon At 03:58 PM 6/27/03 -0400, Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: At 13:02 2003-06-27 -0500, Ronn! wrote: On 27 Jun 2003 at 8:59, Chad Cooper wrote: > http://www.msnbc.com/news/931163.asp > > "Angry crowds laid the bodies of murdered civilians, attacked while > sheltering in the U.S. diplomatic complex, outside the U.S. Embassy in > Liberia's capital, accusing the United States of failing to protect > Monrovia's people." And if they *had* defended it, the headlines would read "U.S. Butchers Open Fire, Slaughter Peaceful Demonstrators". Can't Win Maru -- Ronn! :) What, you're sad because people don't like you? If that's your biggest problem, I'd say that things are going pretty well. :-p On a more serious note, I would like to see some action being taken. I'd like to see a UN Force get involved. One has just gone in Congo with orders to shoot and I want to see Canada get involved. Damn it! People are getting killed and maimed. Children are being forced into soldiering and/or sexual slavery. I need to stop now. Jean-Louis "Getting hawkish" Couturier My earlier comment had nothing to do with whether or not what happened is wrong or whether or not someone should do something about it, including the use of force. The point of my comment was simply that if US troops had used force against the people who broke into the diplomatic complex and murdered civilians who had sought shelter there, the ***very same reporters*** who are now criticizing the US for not protecting the civilians seeking shelter would be condemning the US for using deadly force against what they would without question refer to as "peaceful demonstrators" who were "slaughtered" by the "US aggressors". (Then there are people like Alberto who hate both the US and Liberia for their system of weights and measures . . . ;-) ) -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Liberia's woes
At 14:10 2003-06-27 -0700, Chad wrote: Of course, we could just step in a take Charles Taylor out of office fairly easily, without fighting rebel soldiers. But what happens when we do so? We now own Liberia, and would be expected to take care of it until the rebels decide to lay down their arms. I don't see that happening. We already have nearly all of our forces in Iraq right now. I think it is time the allies to run with the ball here. I agree. I'm Canadian. I won't tell you what the US should be doing. I want Canadian troops out there, with other allies, preferably wearing blue helmets. I'd be perfectly willing to put my money where my mouth is and pay taxes to make it happen. Jean-Louis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Liberia's woes
>-Original Message- >From: Jean-Louis Couturier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 12:59 PM >To: Killer Bs Discussion >Subject: Re: Liberia's woes > > >At 13:02 2003-06-27 -0500, Ronn! wrote: >>>On 27 Jun 2003 at 8:59, Chad Cooper wrote: >>> >>> > http://www.msnbc.com/news/931163.asp >>> > >>> > "Angry crowds laid the bodies of murdered civilians, >attacked while >>> > sheltering in the U.S. diplomatic complex, outside the >U.S. Embassy in >>> > Liberia's capital, accusing the United States of failing >to protect >>> > Monrovia's people." >> >>And if they *had* defended it, the headlines would read "U.S. >Butchers >>Open Fire, Slaughter Peaceful Demonstrators". >> >>Can't Win Maru >> >>-- Ronn! :) > >What, you're sad because people don't like you? If that's your >biggest problem, I'd say that things are going pretty well. :-p > >On a more serious note, I would like to see some action being >taken. I'd like to see a UN Force get involved. One has just >gone in Congo with orders to shoot and I want to see Canada get >involved. >From the Telegraph yesterday... "With a US Navy amphibious assault ship, the USS Kearsarge, just off the Liberian coast carrying 1,200 marines, Mr Bush has the option of ordering a significant deployment to one of Africa's most chaotic countries." Bush has asked both parties to come together and for the president of Liberia to step down. Straw polls in Monrovia indicate nearly unanimous support for US troops to restore peace in Monrovia. We are being positioned to be that force. > >Damn it! People are getting killed and maimed. Children are >being forced into soldiering and/or sexual slavery. I need to >stop now. I feel stongly like you do, but how can guns solve this problem? Any action from us or NATO or the UN will result in professional soldiers being forced to decide whether or not to fire upon hostile forces, those forces being young children, followed by rebel soldiers. Our soldiers, just like in Somalia, will have to make split second decisions as to whether or not to kill armed children. Of course, we could just step in a take Charles Taylor out of office fairly easily, without fighting rebel soldiers. But what happens when we do so? We now own Liberia, and would be expected to take care of it until the rebels decide to lay down their arms. I don't see that happening. We already have nearly all of our forces in Iraq right now. I think it is time the allies to run with the ball here. Nerd From Hell > >Jean-Louis "Getting hawkish" Couturier > >___ >http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l > ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Liberia's woes
At 13:02 2003-06-27 -0500, Ronn! wrote: On 27 Jun 2003 at 8:59, Chad Cooper wrote: > http://www.msnbc.com/news/931163.asp > > "Angry crowds laid the bodies of murdered civilians, attacked while > sheltering in the U.S. diplomatic complex, outside the U.S. Embassy in > Liberia's capital, accusing the United States of failing to protect > Monrovia's people." And if they *had* defended it, the headlines would read "U.S. Butchers Open Fire, Slaughter Peaceful Demonstrators". Can't Win Maru -- Ronn! :) What, you're sad because people don't like you? If that's your biggest problem, I'd say that things are going pretty well. :-p On a more serious note, I would like to see some action being taken. I'd like to see a UN Force get involved. One has just gone in Congo with orders to shoot and I want to see Canada get involved. Damn it! People are getting killed and maimed. Children are being forced into soldiering and/or sexual slavery. I need to stop now. Jean-Louis "Getting hawkish" Couturier ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Liberia's woes
On 27 Jun 2003 at 13:02, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > At 06:47 PM 6/27/03 +0100, Andrew Crystall wrote: > >On 27 Jun 2003 at 8:59, Chad Cooper wrote: > > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/931163.asp > > > > > > "Angry crowds laid the bodies of murdered civilians, attacked > > > while sheltering in the U.S. diplomatic complex, outside the U.S. > > > Embassy in Liberia's capital, accusing the United States of > > > failing to protect Monrovia's people." > > > >Didn't you read the "in the U.S. diplomatic complex". If they can't > >defend the complex, then they need to seal it off, or to evacuate... > > And if they *had* defended it, the headlines would read "U.S. Butchers > Open Fire, Slaughter Peaceful Demonstrators". Peaceful demonstrators with knives and guns..right. And yes, I'd rather see a "bloodbath" - rioters killed - than innocent people dragged to their deaths. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Liberia's woes
At 06:47 PM 6/27/03 +0100, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 27 Jun 2003 at 8:59, Chad Cooper wrote: > http://www.msnbc.com/news/931163.asp > > "Angry crowds laid the bodies of murdered civilians, attacked while > sheltering in the U.S. diplomatic complex, outside the U.S. Embassy in > Liberia's capital, accusing the United States of failing to protect > Monrovia's people." Didn't you read the "in the U.S. diplomatic complex". If they can't defend the complex, then they need to seal it off, or to evacuate... And if they *had* defended it, the headlines would read "U.S. Butchers Open Fire, Slaughter Peaceful Demonstrators". Can't Win Maru -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Liberia's woes
On 27 Jun 2003 at 8:59, Chad Cooper wrote: > http://www.msnbc.com/news/931163.asp > > "Angry crowds laid the bodies of murdered civilians, attacked while > sheltering in the U.S. diplomatic complex, outside the U.S. Embassy in > Liberia's capital, accusing the United States of failing to protect > Monrovia's people." Didn't you read the "in the U.S. diplomatic complex". If they can't defend the complex, then they need to seal it off, or to evacuate... Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
