Re: 9/11 conspiracies or why the Red Sox collapsed
In a message dated 9/18/2006 11:43:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, I phrased that poorly. He was _always_ an extraordinary, Hall-of-Fame caliber shortstop, because his hitting more than made up for his atrocious fielding. His hitting was never quite as good as people gave it credit for (he was never, ever, in the same league as ARod) but he was always very good. Now he's moved from an excellent shortstop who hits his way into the HOF despite an awful glove to an excellent shortstop who hits his way into the HOF despite a mediocre glove. My point about watching Jeter play every day is that he makes clutch defensive plays just as he makes clutch offensive plays. He does little things well both on offense and defense. I can accept that his range is somewhat limited but to say he has a terrible glove is just not reality. The idea that his arm saves him when his range will not is just not right. The issue is getting a hitter out. It can be argued that great range can overcome an average arm just as easily as it is to argue that a great arm can overcome limited range. I just find it strange that you would say he is a terrible short stop. No one is arguing that A Rod is not a better fielder or that he is not a better power hitter. But Jeter just does not struggle the way A Rod does even when he is a terrible slump (as he did at the beginning of last year). ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: 9/11 conspiracies or why the Red Sox collapsed
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 8:52 PM To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: 9/11 conspiracies or why the Red Sox collapsed In a message dated 9/18/2006 11:43:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, I phrased that poorly. He was _always_ an extraordinary, Hall-of-Fame caliber shortstop, because his hitting more than made up for his atrocious fielding. His hitting was never quite as good as people gave it credit for (he was never, ever, in the same league as ARod) but he was always very good. Now he's moved from an excellent shortstop who hits his way into the HOF despite an awful glove to an excellent shortstop who hits his way into the HOF despite a mediocre glove. My point about watching Jeter play every day is that he makes clutch defensive plays just as he makes clutch offensive plays. He does little things well both on offense and defense. I have a question about making clutch defensive plays. What does that mean? Does it mean that a correlation can be shown between the percentage of times he gets hitters out and the importance of the situation? Is he much more likely to not get a borderline grounder when the Yanks are 5 runs up or 5 runs down and the opposing team has no one on base? The issue is getting a hitter out. Is that something that can be measured? If so, wouldn't a measurement be better than the instinctive averaging done by even an above average fan? Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 9/11 conspiracies or why the Red Sox collapsed
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good to here from you. So even though you are clearly wrong about 9/11 (everyone knows that it was a mutant energizer buddy sent by the Bush daughters because they could not count up to 103 and were therefore insulted by the towers) I hope you have some more insight into the collapse of your beloved sox. I think George talked to George who told Manny David that they had to lose. The future of the free world depends on Yankee victory. Seriously who do you like for MVP Heh. They're falling apart because they made a sequence of ill-advised trades in a hopeless attempt to create a super-team like the Yankees. Right at the beginning of the season I thought trading for Beckett and Lowell would be a bad idea. MVP? Pujols in the NL, even though he's been injured, but if not him, Ryan Howard, I guess. In the AL I think it's definitely Jeter, who's the only AL player in the top 5 (he's fifth, I think) in VORP. He has, rather remarkably, gone from being a truly atrocious shortstop to one who is basically average (he was significantly better than average last year, I think). Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 9/11 conspiracies or why the Red Sox collapsed
In a message dated 9/18/2006 9:58:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He has, rather remarkably, gone from being a truly atrocious shortstop to one who is basically average (he was significantly better than average last year, I think). OK - maybe you will grant that he has gone from a very good shortstop with somewhat limited range but a great arm to an excellent shortstop who can always make a key play. You really have to watch him every day to appreciate how good he is ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 9/11 conspiracies or why the Red Sox collapsed
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/18/2006 9:58:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He has, rather remarkably, gone from being a truly atrocious shortstop to one who is basically average (he was significantly better than average last year, I think). OK - maybe you will grant that he has gone from a very good shortstop with somewhat limited range but a great arm to an excellent shortstop who can always make a key play. You really have to watch him every day to appreciate how good he is Sorry, I phrased that poorly. He was _always_ an extraordinary, Hall-of-Fame caliber shortstop, because his hitting more than made up for his atrocious fielding. His hitting was never quite as good as people gave it credit for (he was never, ever, in the same league as ARod) but he was always very good. Now he's moved from an excellent shortstop who hits his way into the HOF despite an awful glove to an excellent shortstop who hits his way into the HOF despite a mediocre glove. As for the you have to see him play every day...let's talk about hitting for a second. Assume 600 plate appearances in a season. A .250 hitter is a poor one, a .300 hitter is a good one. The difference between a .250 hitter and a .300 hitter over 600 plate appearances is the difference between 180 and 150 hits - 30 hits. That's less than one hit every five days. Even if you were in the press box for every game, the human mind is simply incapable of assessing the difference between the two non-numerically. No one can tell the difference between 1 hit a game and 1.1 hits a game. OK, then think about how much harder judging defense is. Most importantly, being there helps someone in judging hitting, because you always watch the batter and events are unambiguous. The batter gets a hit or he doesn't. In judging defense, though, an observer _isn't_ watching the SS at the key moment (when he takes his first step). Furthermore, the brain has a bias against judging events that don't happen. You don't remember the balls that go pass a SS in bad position - but you do remember the plays that look amazing because the SS was badly positioned when a better positioned SS would have made them routine - and you remember them to that SS's _credit_, instead of as mistakes on his part. So I really don't think that watching Jeter play every day will help you judge his defense - in fact, I think it will probably _hurt_, because you'll see the spectactular plays that he makes, but not the routine ones that he misses. Does he have a fantastic arm? Sure? How does that balance against all the hits that get by him because he didn't move quickly enough to get them? No one can judge that subjectively - the only way to do it is analytically, and we can tell that, analytically, the strength of his arm just wasn't very important. Best, Gautam Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 9/11 conspiracies or why the Red Sox collapsed
Good to here from you. So even though you are clearly wrong about 9/11 (everyone knows that it was a mutant energizer buddy sent by the Bush daughters because they could not count up to 103 and were therefore insulted by the towers) I hope you have some more insight into the collapse of your beloved sox. I think George talked to George who told Manny David that they had to lose. The future of the free world depends on Yankee victory. Seriously who do you like for MVP ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 9/11 conspiracies or why the Red Sox collapsed
Bob wrote: Good to here from you. So even though you are clearly wrong about 9/11 (everyone knows that it was a mutant energizer buddy sent by the Bush daughters because they could not count up to 103 and were therefore insulted by the towers) I hope you have some more insight into the collapse of your beloved sox. I think George talked to George who told Manny David that they had to lose. The future of the free world depends on Yankee victory. Seriously who do you like for MVP Big Hurt. 8^) -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
