Re: Brin: The Military Coup Of 2012

2005-09-13 Thread Russell Chapman

Robert G. Seeberger wrote:


http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/1992/dunlap.htm

Preface:
The letter that follows takes us on a darkly imagined excursion into 
the future. A military coup has taken place in the United States--the 
year is 2012


The most interesting thing in this is the prediction, made in 1996, of a 
"wretched performance in the second Gulf War"
Most of the other factors have failed to come to pass - particularly on 
the violent crime side which seems so critical in the scenario.
If there's a coup in the US, it will start in a corporate boardroom, not 
in a command bunker. (In fact, substitute Halliburton for military, and 
many of the events described as precursors *are* occurring.


Cheers
Russell C.


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Re: Brin: The Military Coup Of 2012

2005-09-12 Thread David Brin
You are both scaring me, now.

In fact, I do not perceive the military as our foe,
yet.  The US officer corps is the bulwark of
constitutionalism that stands between us and a cold
wind.

Which is of course the reason that the Troika is
bending all efforts to achieve a ferocious political
purge of the US officer corps.  They are reaming out
the flag officers, re-assigning middle grade men who
don't show zeal for political agendas, using the Iraq
War to lower morale, and using the Congressional
appointment system to pack about a third of every
class in US military academies with fundamentalist
zealots.  It is a detailed and well thought-out
campaign...

...and the imbecille democrats have not even noticed. 
The moderates are fighting a holding action and the
lefties refuse to recognize the humanity of our
military men and women.  Hence they cannot and will
not recognize that our professional protectors now
need OUR protection.

I will clip below a snippet from tonight's blog entry
at http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/

As for the third leg of the troika - the apocolypts -
Heinlein was right to be afraid.

More misc. items of interest:

Firms with Bush-Cheney Ties Clinching Katrina Deals
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/091105C.shtml
Companies with ties to the Bush White House and the
former head of FEMA are clinching some of the
administration's first disaster relief and
reconstruction contracts in the aftermath of Hurricane
Katrina.

In fact, I try only to cite Truthout when the articles
are rich in facts.  Their full-fledged buy into a
left-right view of the Culture War is not my bag.  Nor
is BillMoyers my favorite commentator.  I find him
often tendentious and his softball-worshipful
interviews with Joseph Campbell helped to spread
lefty-mysticism, even while Moyers claims to be
fighting mysticism of the right.  Still, the following
transcribed speech shows him at his best, as he
accepts an award for promoting moderate dialogue
between science and faith, at a time when others want
war between these two human traits.

Bill Moyers on 9/11 and the Sport of God
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/091105X.shtml  
Excerpt follows (read the paragraph all the way to its
scary end.)

Excerpt: ”Suddenly we were immersed in the
pathology of a "holy war" as defined by
fundamentalists on both sides. You could see this
pathology play out in General William Boykin. A
professional soldier, General Boykin had taken up with
a small group called the Faith Force Multiplier whose
members apply military principles to evangelism with a
manifesto summoning warriors "to the spiritual warfare
for souls." After Boykin had led Americans in a battle
against a Somalian warlord he announced: "I know my
God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real
God and his God was an idol." 

“Now Boykin was going about evangelical revivals
preaching that America was in a holy war as "a
Christian nation" battling Satan and that America's
Muslim adversaries will be defeated "only if we come
against them in the name of Jesus." For such an hour,
America surely needed a godly leader. So General
Boykin explained how it was that the candidate who had
lost the election in 2000 nonetheless wound up in the
White House. President Bush, he said, "was not elected
by a majority of the voters - he was appointed by
God." Not surprising, instead of being reprimanded for
evangelizing while in uniform, General Boykin is now
the Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for
Intelligence.”



--- Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Robert G. Seeberger quoted:
> >
> > The letter that follows takes us on a darkly
> imagined excursion into
> > the future. A military coup has taken place in the
> United States--the
> > year is 2012--and General Thomas E. T. Brutus,
> Commander-in-Chief of
> > the Unified Armed Forces of the United States, now
> occupies the White
> > House as permanent Military Plenipotentiary. (...)
> 
> Bah. Heinlein must be spinning on his grave, because
> 2012 is
> the year he turned the USA into a religious
> dictatorship, when
> Nehemiah Scudder wins the "election" by getting a
> little over
> 20% of the voters of a little over half the states -
> enough to
> win in the "Electoral" College.
> 
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Re: Brin: The Military Coup Of 2012

2005-09-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship

At 07:01 AM Monday 9/12/2005, Robert G. Seeberger wrote:

http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/1992/dunlap.htm

Preface:
The letter that follows takes us on a darkly imagined excursion into
the future. A military coup has taken place in the United States--the
year is 2012--and General Thomas E. T. Brutus, Commander-in-Chief of
the Unified Armed Forces of the United States, now occupies the White
House as permanent Military Plenipotentiary. His position has been
ratified by a national referendum, though scattered disorders still
prevail and arrests for acts of sedition are underway. A senior
retired officer of the Unified Armed Forces, known here simply as
Prisoner 222305759, is one of those arrested, having been convicted by
court-martial for opposing the coup. Prior to his execution, he is
able to smuggle out of prison a letter to an old War College classmate
discussing the "Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012." In it,
he argues that the coup was the outgrowth of trends visible as far
back as 1992.



So, just like everything else bad, it was Clinton's fault.


-- Ronn!  :)



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Re: Brin: The Military Coup Of 2012

2005-09-12 Thread PAT MATHEWS

From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Robert G. Seeberger quoted:
>
> The letter that follows takes us on a darkly imagined excursion into
> the future. A military coup has taken place in the United States--the
> year is 2012--and General Thomas E. T. Brutus, Commander-in-Chief of
> the Unified Armed Forces of the United States, now occupies the White
> House as permanent Military Plenipotentiary. (...)

Bah. Heinlein must be spinning on his grave, because 2012 is
the year he turned the USA into a religious dictatorship, when
Nehemiah Scudder wins the "election" by getting a little over
20% of the voters of a little over half the states - enough to
win in the "Electoral" College.


EVERYONE, from Bob Heinlein to well-respected demographers to New Agers 
citing the Mayan Calendar, see 2012 as the Climax of the Crisis. It makes me 
think when so many different streams converge, that we are onto something.


E.T. Brutus? Not G. J. Caesar? (Kown as "Big Julie" among his friends.)

Pat


Alberto Monteiro

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Re: Brin: The Military Coup Of 2012

2005-09-12 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Robert G. Seeberger quoted:
>
> The letter that follows takes us on a darkly imagined excursion into
> the future. A military coup has taken place in the United States--the
> year is 2012--and General Thomas E. T. Brutus, Commander-in-Chief of
> the Unified Armed Forces of the United States, now occupies the White
> House as permanent Military Plenipotentiary. (...)

Bah. Heinlein must be spinning on his grave, because 2012 is
the year he turned the USA into a religious dictatorship, when
Nehemiah Scudder wins the "election" by getting a little over
20% of the voters of a little over half the states - enough to
win in the "Electoral" College.

Alberto Monteiro

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