Re: Filtering
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Filtering Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:16:08 -0600 I am sincere about not wanting to offend anybody to the extent that they leave the list. However, I also agree with everyone who has said that it is ultimately up to each member of the list to decide how to handle threads which upset them. On occasion someone has said something which upset me, but I'm still here . . . Well of course. I couldn't agree with you more. However, in the interests of avoiding a perpetually constipated discussion, in which we will most likely earn the collective title of KOSTO, let me quote something for you which sums everything up quite nicely: This list seeks to be self-moderating That's really all there is to say. (I suppose someone will see that as a challenge . . . ) -- Ronn! :) Doubtful. Then again I once saw a fish swim (if you can believe that!!), so I suppose ANYTHING is possible. -Travis royal blood flows not through these veins Edmunds KOSTO = King Of Stating The Obvious _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering
I just reviewed the archives back from the day I started filtering (I am recieving only OT and BRIN posts). I was only interested in seeing if someone had solved the riddle, but noticed several replies to my Filtering post. I realize that my request that noone post on environmentalist, particulary anything that might be considered an insult to environmentalists, while I am not feeling well is an unreasonably restrictive request. Please know, I am in an extremely stressful situation right now, so am running very on-edge. It is my problem, not the list's, and that is why I went to filtering. I am still filtering, so will not recieve either this post or any of its replies. I appologise if my actions have cause anyone to feel badly. My problems are not the fault of anyone on the list, and, had conditions been better, I probably would have handled the situation much better than I did. Hopefully, things will turn around in my life soon, so I can feel better and be able to participate in such discussion without feeling overwhelmed or going overboard. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering
At 03:23 PM 12/28/03, Michael Harney wrote: I just reviewed the archives back from the day I started filtering (I am recieving only OT and BRIN posts). I was only interested in seeing if someone had solved the riddle, but noticed several replies to my Filtering post. I realize that my request that noone post on environmentalist, particulary anything that might be considered an insult to environmentalists, while I am not feeling well is an unreasonably restrictive request. Please know, I am in an extremely stressful situation right now, so am running very on-edge. It is my problem, not the list's, and that is why I went to filtering. I am still filtering, so will not recieve either this post or any of its replies. I appologise if my actions have cause anyone to feel badly. My problems are not the fault of anyone on the list, and, had conditions been better, I probably would have handled the situation much better than I did. Hopefully, things will turn around in my life soon, so I can feel better and be able to participate in such discussion without feeling overwhelmed or going overboard. Michael, I appreciate that, and I am sorry that mine was the original post which caused your upset. I had a similar situation when Julia lost her dog: D.J. was already sick and while I was still hopeful, I was afraid I might be going to lose him (as I eventually did) and so I couldn't say much at the time. Please do understand that I don't want you or anyone else to leave the list because of anything I or anyone else posts. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering
Doug Pensinger wrote: With all due respect, if we stopped talking about everything that makes someone upset, we may as well shut down the list because we wouldn't even be able to discuss the weather. What do you mean by discuss the weather? I feel highly offended when you all start talking about snow in Christmas, and I have 41 deg in the termometer! Congratulations: you have just entered my filter :-/ Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering
At 06:45 AM 12/22/2003, you wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: With all due respect, if we stopped talking about everything that makes someone upset, we may as well shut down the list because we wouldn't even be able to discuss the weather. What do you mean by discuss the weather? I feel highly offended when you all start talking about snow in Christmas, and I have 41 deg in the termometer! Congratulations: you have just entered my filter :-/ Alberto Monteiro It snowed two days ago but now it's also 41 deg! Kevin T. - VRWC O, wait... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: With all due respect, if we stopped talking about everything that makes someone upset, we may as well shut down the list because we wouldn't even be able to discuss the weather. What do you mean by discuss the weather? I feel highly offended when you all start talking about snow in Christmas, and I have 41 deg in the termometer! Congratulations: you have just entered my filter :-/ 41? You lucky dog -- I only have 18[1]. (No snow here either.) Plus it's windy. Is it windy where you are? It gets very windy here. Or are you going to be envious of my having wind? :) [1] or 64 to those of you who would prefer the temperature in degrees F Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering
Julia Thompson wrote: What do you mean by discuss the weather? I feel highly offended when you all start talking about snow in Christmas, and I have 41 deg in the termometer! 41? You lucky dog -- I only have 18[1]. (No snow here either.) The minimum in Texas is 18? Even here we have some temperatures slightly below that, in Winter. Plus it's windy. Is it windy where you are? We had winds last week. I even had to turn off the new computer during a storm. It gets very windy here. Or are you going to be envious of my having wind? :) No :-) Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering
- Original Message - From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Filtering Julia Thompson wrote: What do you mean by discuss the weather? I feel highly offended when you all start talking about snow in Christmas, and I have 41 deg in the termometer! 41? You lucky dog -- I only have 18[1]. (No snow here either.) The minimum in Texas is 18? Even here we have some temperatures slightly below that, in Winter. The coldest I've seen it in Houston was around 15F. Not often mind you, but it gets below 0C every year, at least for some period of time. xponent Dirt Bunny, No Snow Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering
At 12:20 PM 12/21/03, Michael Harney wrote: I'm filtering once again. I have lots of things to do to prepare for Christmas, so I don't have the time to participate. Additionally, with the increasing posts re: environmentalism, my mind is going in directions that I don't want it to go. I should have known that my requesting that topics I feel strongly about not be brought up would only increase the number of posts on those topics. I'm sorry, Michael. I know I am the one who posted the articles which started the current discussion. I didn't mean to upset you. I thought they might be of interest to some here. What does the rest of the list think? Should we avoid environmental topics entirely from now on, or what? I sure don't to offend anyone or cause anyone to leave the list. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering
- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 12:34 PM Subject: Re: Filtering At 12:20 PM 12/21/03, Michael Harney wrote: I'm filtering once again. I have lots of things to do to prepare for Christmas, so I don't have the time to participate. Additionally, with the increasing posts re: environmentalism, my mind is going in directions that I don't want it to go. I should have known that my requesting that topics I feel strongly about not be brought up would only increase the number of posts on those topics. I'm sorry, Michael. I know I am the one who posted the articles which started the current discussion. I didn't mean to upset you. I thought they might be of interest to some here. What does the rest of the list think? Should we avoid environmental topics entirely from now on, or what? I sure don't to offend anyone or cause anyone to leave the list. No. With all respect to Michael and his sensitivity to various issues, I think it is the responsibility of the reader to do his/her own censoring. We are all adults here and we should be grown up enough to exert a bit of self discipline. I think Michael is a perfect example and I applaud him for handling these issues in the manner he has. You knowits OK to blow up or blow off some steam sometimes. We are all friends here, and friends should make some allowances for individual peculiarities, especially when people are known to be making an effort towards honest discourse and self-moderation. In that sense I think we have very little reason to let ourselves be uptight in regards to controversial subject matter. xponent Self Support Systems Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Filtering Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:34:57 -0600 What does the rest of the list think? Should we avoid environmental topics entirely from now on, or what? I sure don't to offend anyone or cause anyone to leave the list. -- Ronn! :) Assuming it's a sincere question, as I'm not certain whether or not you jest, let me just say that no topic should be avoided, omitted, ostracized, black-listed etc... As db himself says: Come explore one of the most active and intelligent internet discussion groups of all time -- the famed Brin-L list, where cutting edge issues get taken on by truly open minds. Hence, if we truly have open minds, we should tackle anything. If we don't, then it would show a certain level of closed-mindedness in and of itself. -Travis the whole jest/just bit was quite intentional Edmunds _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Filtering Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:00:31 -0600 No. With all respect to Michael and his sensitivity to various issues, I think it is the responsibility of the reader to do his/her own censoring. We are all adults here and we should be grown up enough to exert a bit of self discipline. I think Michael is a perfect example and I applaud him for handling these issues in the manner he has. You knowits OK to blow up or blow off some steam sometimes. We are all friends here, and friends should make some allowances for individual peculiarities, especially when people are known to be making an effort towards honest discourse and self-moderation. In that sense I think we have very little reason to let ourselves be uptight in regards to controversial subject matter. Well put. -Travis _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering
At 12:34 PM 12/21/2003 -0600 Ronn!Blankenship wrote: What does the rest of the list think? Should we avoid environmental topics entirely from now on, or what? I sure don't to offend anyone or cause anyone to leave the list. Full Disclosure:I have seen neither Michael's requests to avaoid a certain subject area, nor the posts that have tackled this subject area. My only knowledge of the situation are from the posts with this subject title. Anyhow, with all due respect to Michael, my answer is no.This List is for full consideration of all the various issues facing human civilization. Obviously there is room for some discretion in the immediate wake of a personal tragedy by a list member but ultimately the List should always return to form and purpose. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering
Ronn! wrote: What does the rest of the list think? Should we avoid environmental topics entirely from now on, or what? I sure don't to offend anyone or cause anyone to leave the list. With all due respect, if we stopped talking about everything that makes someone upset, we may as well shut down the list because we wouldn't even be able to discuss the weather. -- Doug GSV All is Brin. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering
Doug Pensinger wrote: Ronn! wrote: What does the rest of the list think? Should we avoid environmental topics entirely from now on, or what? I sure don't to offend anyone or cause anyone to leave the list. With all due respect, if we stopped talking about everything that makes someone upset, we may as well shut down the list because we wouldn't even be able to discuss the weather. You're right. In severe cases, weather can be upsetting, especially to people affected, and people who are close to some of the people affected. Now, if we could limit it to a purely technical discussion of the weather systems, it *might* be OK, but sooner or later, someone's going to throw a sociopolitical statement into the discussion, and then all hell will break loose. That, or a thunderstorm Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering (was RE: br!n: [LINK] What Science ...)
On 19 Dec 2002 at 18:37, Nick Arnett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Erik Reuter Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: br!n: [LINK] What Science Fiction Author Are You? To anyone using Outlook Express filters, maybe you can help Amanda? NicK, I think you use the evil email program? I'm using Outlook 2000... for no darn good reason except that a couple of companies where I worked required it. I was a Eudora fan until then. Still have my wife on it. I'm not sure if Outlook Express does filters the same way or not. In any event, filtering is one of the worst things about Outlook. The I use Pegasus Mail. It's got a fairly robust and easy-to-use rules-based filtering feature, which has a basic but functional GUI to help you. Personally, I just delete threads I'm not following. The volume from Brin-L is typically smaller than either Starfire-L or general misc. E-mail I get. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering the Digests (Was: Re: Fwd: Moderation)
Horn, John wrote: Pegasus Mail v4.0 has an option that claims to be able to pull apart a digest into its individual pieces. I've never tried it as I receive individual messages. But that's a possibility. Entourage also has the option of bursting digests into individual emails, but I have not used it so don't know how well it works. Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering the Digests (Was: Re: Fwd: Moderation)
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 01:07:27AM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Erik, (or anyone else with sufficient computer expertise), would you be so kind as to help resolve a problem I've been having? Digest users, by definition, cannot filter their messages from the list. Do you have any suggestions as to how filtering the digests might be accomplished effectively? No, I don't, at least, not what you seem to want. I've always thought that individual emails are the best way to get an email list for a number of reasons: 1) timeliness 2) easy of replying (the information is all there in the header) 3) threading (the emails automatically reference the ones they are replying to) 4) filtering While it is technically feasible to filter the digests, it adds complexity to the problem, and I usually take the path of least complexity in solving a technical problem. So, since I've never tried or even read about the problem of filtering digests, I can't offer any specific recommendations. I believe this would also serve the rest of the list, since as of now, digest users aren't free to ignore, sort or killfile their list mail and must receive (and read) whatever is sent to the list. Well, technically, they are free to ignore since they CAN choose the individual mails and then filter them as they choose. But if it is your PREFERENCE to get the digest, then you are going to have more difficulty filtering. Can you suggest any other constructive recourse? I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Jon I am sure there is a way to do it. At worst you would have to write your own program (perl would be a good choice of languages) but if you are running a form of Linux (or other forms of UNIX) I can think of an easier way. There is a program called formail that can take actions on each piece of email in a file, including a digest. If you are Linux-challenged, you might be able to find something similar for your OS. I'd suggest trying Google and download.com searches if no one else suggests a program you can use. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Filtering the Digests
Erik Reuter wrote: I've always thought that individual emails are the best way to get an email list for a number of reasons: Me too. I only get lists using digest when the list allows attachments or html messages that carry spam, and the digests filter them [Yahoogroup lists that allow attachments are a hell: lammers always write in html cum spam :-/] OTOH, digests that include all messages are useless: you don't save downloading time, it makes replying harder, and - worse - you can't peek at the messages and see if they are ignorable [the brin-l has achieved the Sturgeon threshold: I am ignoring about 90% of the messages] May I suggest some alternate behaviours for the digests? It would be hard to implement, but it might also be fun: (a) The digest lists _only_ sender, date/time, subject and (eventually) reply-to. So, someone (or SomeOne O:-)) might get the list in both digest and all messages mode, send the non-digest to a dummy folder, look at the digest and see if there's anything worth reading, and, if that's the case, go to the messagem themselves. Some other alternatives: (b) (a) plus the first _n_ lines that are non-quotes This option would require a constant dinging of those that don't follow the standard quoting norms (c) Separate all messages by subject, so that each digest would be formed by messages in some sequence This option would require a constant dinging of those that don't respect the subject standard Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
