Re: Forget global warming, let's make a difference
Apropos of nothing specific, I read in DW a couple weeks back that Germany is in the process of dismantling its nuke reactors and returning to fossil fuels for power. ¿Que? Wind farms often get voted down in the US, mostly because no one wants to live near one. Folks seem to think they're ugly. And lately there's been advertising done *here* as well, trying to boost the image of coal. The suggestion is that coal miners are all hardbodied men and women in their early to mid twenties, who spend most of their time in the mines standing upright and striking alluring poses. Can a coal-powered SUV be far behind? What the hell is *wrong* with people? -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Forget global warming, let's make a difference
On 6/15/05, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apropos of nothing specific, I read in DW a couple weeks back that Germany is in the process of dismantling its nuke reactors and returning to fossil fuels for power. ¿Que? Wind farms often get voted down in the US, mostly because no one wants to live near one. Folks seem to think they're ugly. And lately there's been advertising done *here* as well, trying to boost the image of coal. The suggestion is that coal miners are all hardbodied men and women in their early to mid twenties, who spend most of their time in the mines standing upright and striking alluring poses. Can a coal-powered SUV be far behind? What the hell is *wrong* with people? I like wind farms as long as I don't live within a mile of one. That seems to be no problem here in Texas or most areas in the US. The UK and Europe are leaving us far behind in applying this technology. Wind farms are not a panacea - there are strong doubts that it can supply more than 15% of a nation's energy needs in the next few decades. -- Gary Denton Easter Lemming Blogs http://elemming.blogspot.com http://elemming2.blogspot.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Forget global warming, let's make a difference
On Jun 15, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Gary Denton wrote: On 6/15/05, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wind farms often get voted down in the US, mostly because no one wants to live near one. Folks seem to think they're ugly. And lately there's been advertising done *here* as well, trying to boost the image of coal. The suggestion is that coal miners are all hardbodied men and women in their early to mid twenties, who spend most of their time in the mines standing upright and striking alluring poses. Can a coal-powered SUV be far behind? What the hell is *wrong* with people? I like wind farms as long as I don't live within a mile of one. That seems to be no problem here in Texas or most areas in the US. Why, exactly, wouldn't you want to live within a mile of one? They're big enough that one mile won't make that much of a difference, so I can't think it's the eyesore factor. I do not live within a mile of one -- more like about 40 miles -- so I don't have an intimate relationship with them. I know that the wind farm at Altamont Pass here in Northern California comes under a lot of criticism for the number of birds, especially raptors, that are killed there. In fact, Altamont Pass it the most lethal wind farm in North America for raptors. So is it the smell of rotting birds? Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Forget global warming, let's make a difference
At 03:37 PM Wednesday 6/15/2005, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 15, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Gary Denton wrote: On 6/15/05, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wind farms often get voted down in the US, mostly because no one wants to live near one. Folks seem to think they're ugly. And lately there's been advertising done *here* as well, trying to boost the image of coal. The suggestion is that coal miners are all hardbodied men and women in their early to mid twenties, who spend most of their time in the mines standing upright and striking alluring poses. Can a coal-powered SUV be far behind? What the hell is *wrong* with people? I like wind farms as long as I don't live within a mile of one. That seems to be no problem here in Texas or most areas in the US. Why, exactly, wouldn't you want to live within a mile of one? They're big enough that one mile won't make that much of a difference, so I can't think it's the eyesore factor. I do not live within a mile of one -- more like about 40 miles -- so I don't have an intimate relationship with them. I know that the wind farm at Altamont Pass here in Northern California comes under a lot of criticism for the number of birds, especially raptors, that are killed there. In fact, Altamont Pass it the most lethal wind farm in North America for raptors. So is it the smell of rotting birds? Or is it simply that virtually everybody wants unlimited cheap energy but also says NIMBY to any energy-generation technology, whether for reasons of esthetics, pollution, possible danger, or for no particular reason whatsoever? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Brin: Re: Forget global warming, let's make a difference
* David Brin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Please drop dead. Eventually, perhaps. You are a bona fide asshole and I want to hear from you never again. I can keep playing these games as long as you can. I was going to let it drop, but you obviously don't want it to drop. You want to play games. Okay. I may be an asshole, but at least I'm a REAL asshole, not a pretend one. You big whining sissy! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 6/14/05, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * David Brin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Please drop dead. Eventually, perhaps. You are a bona fide asshole and I want to hear from you never again. I can keep playing these games as long as you can. I was going to let it drop, but you obviously don't want it to drop. You want to play games. Okay. I may be an asshole, but at least I'm a REAL asshole, not a pretend one. You big whining sissy! Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit! -Team America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_America:_World_Police) ~Maru seemed time to lower the level of discourse again ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Forget global warming, let's make a difference
Erik Reuter wrote: http://www.money.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2005/06/13/ccpers13.xmlmenuId=242sSheet=/money/2005/06/13/ixfrontcity.html Personal view: Forget global warming. Let's make a real difference snip Moreover, they should also tell what they expect the cost of the Kyoto Protocol to be. That may not come easy to natural scientists, but there is plenty of literature on the subject, and the best guess is that the cost of doing a very little good for the third world 100 years from now would be $150billion per year for the rest of this century. Interestingly, New Zealand is going to find the cost much sooner than most. An early adopter of Kyoto, they now find themselves in the curious position of running out of electrical power as demands increase and generating capacity stalls. They have abundant geo-thermal power sources, steady coastal winds, enormous hydro-electrical potential, long reserves of coal, and plenty of natural gas (and a friendly neighbour with plenty of uranium), but every single proposed wind-farm, geo-steam plant and hydro-electric dam has now been successfully stopped by environmentalists protecting their own little part of the world, and the natural gas and coal plants that no-one is objecting to would be in contravention of Kyoto because it would mean a greenhouse gas emission increase for the country. Effectively, Kyoto punishes New Zealand because it has BEEN USING greenhouse friendly methods by requiring reductions from a low starting point. Maybe they'll have to buy power from us because we haven't signed... Cheers Russell C. --- This email (including any attachments) is confidential and copyright. The School makes no warranty about the content of this email. Unless expressly stated, this email does not bind the School and does not necessarily constitute the opinion of the School. If you have received this email in error, please delete it and notify the sender. --- GWAVAsig ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
