Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
At 12:19 PM Tuesday 8/23/2005, Dave Land wrote: On Aug 23, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Aug 23, 2005, at 9:55 AM, Dave Land wrote: Finally, "Wipe OUT" (the activist toilet paper liberation organization) prefers to co-opt the term "Toilet Paper" to eliminate its power to marginalize this most humble of paper products. Sure, but you can't actually say "TP" unless you *are* TP. You're supposed to say "the TP-word" instead. And by describing it as a "humble" paper product you're betraying your own anti-Charminism. Shame on you. It *is* humble. When's the last time you saw or heard it making any claims for itself? If I choose to let paper products of my acquaintance speak for themselves, it is solely to avoid the kind of paternalism that is threatening to put this thread on the sad trajectory of "Mindless and Heartless." Dave Gautam: well-spotted Eee-ew! -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
--- Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gautam: well-spotted, and thanks for the laugh. Gautam does a half-bow in Dave's direction... I actually got the email while at the office and just started laughing like mad in a meeting. My advisor who, despite having twice as many Harvard degrees as I do never misses an opportunity to make fun of me about the place, thought that its placement on an alums list was what made it just right, somehow. Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Freedom is not free" http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
On Aug 23, 2005, at 10:19 AM, Dave Land wrote: If I choose to let paper products of my acquaintance speak for themselves, it is solely to avoid the kind of paternalism that is threatening to put this thread on the sad trajectory of "Mindless and Heartless." Or perhaps "Pulplpess and Coreless". :D -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror" http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
On Aug 23, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Aug 23, 2005, at 9:55 AM, Dave Land wrote: Finally, "Wipe OUT" (the activist toilet paper liberation organization) prefers to co-opt the term "Toilet Paper" to eliminate its power to marginalize this most humble of paper products. Sure, but you can't actually say "TP" unless you *are* TP. You're supposed to say "the TP-word" instead. And by describing it as a "humble" paper product you're betraying your own anti-Charminism. Shame on you. It *is* humble. When's the last time you saw or heard it making any claims for itself? If I choose to let paper products of my acquaintance speak for themselves, it is solely to avoid the kind of paternalism that is threatening to put this thread on the sad trajectory of "Mindless and Heartless." Dave Gautam: well-spotted, and thanks for the laugh. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
On Aug 23, 2005, at 9:55 AM, Dave Land wrote: Finally, "Wipe OUT" (the activist toilet paper liberation organization) prefers to co-opt the term "Toilet Paper" to eliminate its power to marginalize this most humble of paper products. Sure, but you can't actually say "TP" unless you *are* TP. You're supposed to say "the TP-word" instead. And by describing it as a "humble" paper product you're betraying your own anti-Charminism. Shame on you. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror" http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Aug 22, 2005, at 10:09 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Aug 22, 2005, at 10:02 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote: Thusly, we must change the "role" which toilet paper plays to clean other areas, such as the nostrils, or the mouth, other bodily orifices. Oh, I see, so its proper role, according to you, is cleaning? What a typically phallocentric white-male view. I suppose you expect it to be barefoot and pregnant besides! And by the way, it's NOT "toilet paper". Toilet paper is the name given to it by its oppressors. It's REALLY "ribbon-formed tree pulp" (RFTP). If you were REALLY interested in RFTP liberation, you'd be refusing to put ANY role distinctions on it. Only by being unroled can RFTP be truly free to reach the lengths of its potential. Sheesh! "Roll-Formed Tree Pulp" is SO fifteen minutes ago. You say that "TP" is the language of the oppressors, butt "RFTP" is the language of self-appointed effete liberal elite paper product huggers. Please, in future references, use "loose-pressed cellulose sheets." Finally, "Wipe OUT" (the activist toilet paper liberation organization) prefers to co-opt the term "Toilet Paper" to eliminate its power to marginalize this most humble of paper products. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
At 12:31 AM Tuesday 8/23/2005, Maru Dubshinki wrote: On 8/23/05, Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Maru Dubshinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Clearly what we have here is a rather progressive > > youngster, a shining > > example of the further march of liberty: this > > wimmin, or persun, is > > advocating that toilet paper be liberated from its > > constricted role of > > cleaning our bottoms. They hold with Freud that this > > fixation on the > > anus is infantilizing, and retarding of progress > > integrating the self; > > in short blocking personal growth. Thusly, we must > > change the "role" > > which toilet paper plays to clean other areas, such > > as the nostrils, > > or the mouth, other bodily orifices. I dare say > > that in this cry for > > progress we can see a covert dialectic, leading to a > > synthesis of the > > negative, or "shadow" aspects of the whole > > metemphysical nature of > > toilet paper: what could be more subversive than > > turning an item that > > is meant to clean, and tragically, be immediately > > disposed of into a > > representation of the Great Mother that the > > patriarchal Western > > scientific society has repressed and demonized than > > by into the > > embodiment of its enemy, waste, and permament waste > > at that? > > > > ~Maru > > Frighteningly enough, it wasn't entirely clear to me > that this was a satire the first time I read it... > > Gautam Mukunda Didja like how I threw in some legitimate scholarship like Freud's anal fixation theories of sexual maturation, and the Great mother religious motif, and Jung's shadow, just to camouflage the nonsense? Like I already said: keep it up and you could have a great future in academia. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
At 12:02 AM Tuesday 8/23/2005, Maru Dubshinki wrote: On 8/23/05, Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > An example of the true value of a Harvard education, > drawn from a recent post on the Harvard Boston recent > grads email list, as part of a request for a roommate: > > "Looking for someone similar to the two of us already > in the house: mid-20's young professional or grad > student. Someone who is clean, respectful, easy to get > along with, who values having a nice home, and > doesn't mind emptying the dishwasher or changing the > role of toilet paper." > > So, does anyone have any ideas as to new _roles_ for > toilet paper? Apparently the old one isn't sufficient > anymore :-) > > Gautam Mukunda Clearly what we have here is a rather progressive youngster, a shining example of the further march of liberty: this wimmin, or persun, is advocating that toilet paper be liberated from its constricted role of cleaning our bottoms. They hold with Freud that this fixation on the anus is infantilizing, and retarding of progress integrating the self; in short blocking personal growth. Thusly, we must change the "role" which toilet paper plays to clean other areas, such as the nostrils, or the mouth, other bodily orifices. Just be sure you do that _first_, before using it for its traditional role . . . I dare say that in this cry for progress we can see a covert dialectic, leading to a synthesis of the negative, or "shadow" aspects of the whole metemphysical nature of toilet paper: what could be more subversive than turning an item that is meant to clean, and tragically, be immediately disposed of into a representation of the Great Mother that the patriarchal Western scientific society has repressed and demonized than by into the embodiment of its enemy, waste, and permament waste at that? ~Maru I promise I won't do that again. If you can do it regularly, I predict you have a great future in academia . . . -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 11:41 PM Monday 8/22/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote: But you know the question hints at whole new regions of possible activism, starting with PETtp. Pet t.p.? That's why I have a cat: he does not have to be walked at all hours of the day and night by someone armed with a pooper-scooper and plastic bags . . . He Just Goes Out On His Own And Terrorizes The Neighbors' Cats Which Is Why A Few Minutes Ago I Was Out With A Flashlight Calling His Name Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 11:29 PM Monday 8/22/2005, Gautam Mukunda wrote: An example of the true value of a Harvard education, drawn from a recent post on the Harvard Boston recent grads email list, as part of a request for a roommate: "Looking for someone similar to the two of us already in the house: mid-20's young professional or grad student. Someone who is clean, respectful, easy to get along with, who values having a nice home, and doesn't mind emptying the dishwasher or changing the role of toilet paper." So, does anyone have any ideas as to new _roles_ for toilet paper? Apparently the old one isn't sufficient anymore :-) I think they are missing an opportunity if they did not apply to the university curriculum office. I suspect some one in the humanities department ought to be able to come up with a whole course on "The Changing Roles of Toilet Paper in Post-Modern Society" . . . (Still dunno if the jocks could pass it, though . . . ) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 8/23/05, Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Aug 22, 2005, at 10:31 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote: > > > Didja like how I threw in some legitimate scholarship like Freud's > > anal fixation theories of sexual maturation, and the Great mother > > religious motif, and Jung's shadow, just to camouflage the nonsense? > > Since that's how it's usually done by groups with "serious" complaints, > I'd bet that was the part that had Gautam going for a moment. ;) > > Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books Heh. That amuses me almost as much as writing it did. Well shoot- now that I've thought about it a little more, I could have had a decent paragraph ranting against the cultural imperialism of denigrating a person's "unique" spelling. Oh well. ~Maru next time ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
On Aug 22, 2005, at 10:31 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote: Didja like how I threw in some legitimate scholarship like Freud's anal fixation theories of sexual maturation, and the Great mother religious motif, and Jung's shadow, just to camouflage the nonsense? Since that's how it's usually done by groups with "serious" complaints, I'd bet that was the part that had Gautam going for a moment. ;) -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror" http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Maru Dubshinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Didja like how I threw in some legitimate > scholarship like Freud's > anal fixation theories of sexual maturation, and the > Great mother > religious motif, and Jung's shadow, just to > camouflage the nonsense? > > ~Maru Heck, judging by some of the stuff I've seen, it is impossible to differentiate anyways... Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Freedom is not free" http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
On 8/23/05, Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Maru Dubshinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Clearly what we have here is a rather progressive > > youngster, a shining > > example of the further march of liberty: this > > wimmin, or persun, is > > advocating that toilet paper be liberated from its > > constricted role of > > cleaning our bottoms. They hold with Freud that this > > fixation on the > > anus is infantilizing, and retarding of progress > > integrating the self; > > in short blocking personal growth. Thusly, we must > > change the "role" > > which toilet paper plays to clean other areas, such > > as the nostrils, > > or the mouth, other bodily orifices. I dare say > > that in this cry for > > progress we can see a covert dialectic, leading to a > > synthesis of the > > negative, or "shadow" aspects of the whole > > metemphysical nature of > > toilet paper: what could be more subversive than > > turning an item that > > is meant to clean, and tragically, be immediately > > disposed of into a > > representation of the Great Mother that the > > patriarchal Western > > scientific society has repressed and demonized than > > by into the > > embodiment of its enemy, waste, and permament waste > > at that? > > > > ~Maru > > Frighteningly enough, it wasn't entirely clear to me > that this was a satire the first time I read it... > > Gautam Mukunda Didja like how I threw in some legitimate scholarship like Freud's anal fixation theories of sexual maturation, and the Great mother religious motif, and Jung's shadow, just to camouflage the nonsense? ~Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 8/23/05, Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Aug 22, 2005, at 10:02 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote: > > > Thusly, we must change the "role" > > which toilet paper plays to clean other areas, such as the nostrils, > > or the mouth, other bodily orifices. > > Oh, I see, so its proper role, according to you, is cleaning? What a > typically phallocentric white-male view. I suppose you expect it to be > barefoot and pregnant besides! > > And by the way, it's NOT "toilet paper". Toilet paper is the name given > to it by its oppressors. It's REALLY "ribbon-formed tree pulp" (RFTP). > > If you were REALLY interested in RFTP liberation, you'd be refusing to > put ANY role distinctions on it. Only by being unroled can RFTP be > truly free to reach the lengths of its potential. > > > -- > Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books I shall not lower myself to answer the baseless calumnies of this persun, save to note solely that the statement "phallocentric white-male view" is especially ripe for deconstruction and deviant textual readings coming from him. Furthermore, if this "Ockrossa" *really* did care, like he claims, about RFTP freedom, he would never say such biased, regressive, and outrageous to liberated sensibilities things like "lengths of its potential." What about square RFTPs, you insensitive clod?! Are their viewpoints of no value, non-privileged and censored?! ~Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
--- Maru Dubshinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Clearly what we have here is a rather progressive > youngster, a shining > example of the further march of liberty: this > wimmin, or persun, is > advocating that toilet paper be liberated from its > constricted role of > cleaning our bottoms. They hold with Freud that this > fixation on the > anus is infantilizing, and retarding of progress > integrating the self; > in short blocking personal growth. Thusly, we must > change the "role" > which toilet paper plays to clean other areas, such > as the nostrils, > or the mouth, other bodily orifices. I dare say > that in this cry for > progress we can see a covert dialectic, leading to a > synthesis of the > negative, or "shadow" aspects of the whole > metemphysical nature of > toilet paper: what could be more subversive than > turning an item that > is meant to clean, and tragically, be immediately > disposed of into a > representation of the Great Mother that the > patriarchal Western > scientific society has repressed and demonized than > by into the > embodiment of its enemy, waste, and permament waste > at that? > > ~Maru Frighteningly enough, it wasn't entirely clear to me that this was a satire the first time I read it... Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Freedom is not free" http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
On Aug 22, 2005, at 10:02 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote: Thusly, we must change the "role" which toilet paper plays to clean other areas, such as the nostrils, or the mouth, other bodily orifices. Oh, I see, so its proper role, according to you, is cleaning? What a typically phallocentric white-male view. I suppose you expect it to be barefoot and pregnant besides! And by the way, it's NOT "toilet paper". Toilet paper is the name given to it by its oppressors. It's REALLY "ribbon-formed tree pulp" (RFTP). If you were REALLY interested in RFTP liberation, you'd be refusing to put ANY role distinctions on it. Only by being unroled can RFTP be truly free to reach the lengths of its potential. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror" http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This post made in honor of Ronn
On 8/23/05, Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > An example of the true value of a Harvard education, > drawn from a recent post on the Harvard Boston recent > grads email list, as part of a request for a roommate: > > "Looking for someone similar to the two of us already > in the house: mid-20's young professional or grad > student. Someone who is clean, respectful, easy to get > along with, who values having a nice home, and > doesn't mind emptying the dishwasher or changing the > role of toilet paper." > > So, does anyone have any ideas as to new _roles_ for > toilet paper? Apparently the old one isn't sufficient > anymore :-) > > Gautam Mukunda Clearly what we have here is a rather progressive youngster, a shining example of the further march of liberty: this wimmin, or persun, is advocating that toilet paper be liberated from its constricted role of cleaning our bottoms. They hold with Freud that this fixation on the anus is infantilizing, and retarding of progress integrating the self; in short blocking personal growth. Thusly, we must change the "role" which toilet paper plays to clean other areas, such as the nostrils, or the mouth, other bodily orifices. I dare say that in this cry for progress we can see a covert dialectic, leading to a synthesis of the negative, or "shadow" aspects of the whole metemphysical nature of toilet paper: what could be more subversive than turning an item that is meant to clean, and tragically, be immediately disposed of into a representation of the Great Mother that the patriarchal Western scientific society has repressed and demonized than by into the embodiment of its enemy, waste, and permament waste at that? ~Maru I promise I won't do that again. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Aug 22, 2005, at 9:29 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: So, does anyone have any ideas as to new _roles_ for toilet paper? Apparently the old one isn't sufficient anymore :-) Well, the second most common role for toilet paper has been petty vandalism of neighbors' houses. (Years ago a friend of mine TPed all the houses on his block *except that of someone he didn't like*. Rather devious, that.) But you know the question hints at whole new regions of possible activism, starting with PETtp. I mean, consider that the TP you use was probably a "battery roll" -- something kept confined in a suffocating layer of cellophane, squeezed mercilessly to evaluate its tenderness, and then liberated briefly only to be caged in a dim, mildew-smelling space away from light and in conditions of dubious sanitation. And, of course, once it's finally let into the light, it's impaled and left hanging, then flensed gradually, tissue-layer by tissue-layer, and what happens next is something you wouldn't want your worst enemy to experience. I say it's about time the roles for toilet paper were changed. Burn Mr. Whipple in effigy! Please don't USE the Charmin! Wipe out the oppressors! -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror" http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
