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On 20 Jun 2005, at 3:52 am, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Damon Agretto wrote: Yeah, cause we all REALLY know it was Dungeons Dragons that drove him to do it... I must be the most evil person in the list, because I am christian, communist, heavy metal fan and DD player. Don't leave out Linux user! That blasphemy could get you burned at the stake in Redmond :) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ A bad thing done for a good cause is still a bad thing. It's why so few people slap their political opponents. That, and because slapping looks so silly. - Randy Cohen. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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William T Goodall wrote: I must be the most evil person in the list, because I am christian, communist, heavy metal fan and DD player. Don't leave out Linux user! That blasphemy could get you burned at the stake in Redmond :) Using Linux is part of the commie stuff. Communists either use Linux or a pirated Windoze. Evil Alberto ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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WHOOPS; sorry wrong post. I was activly ignoring this thread. Leonard Matusik [EMAIL PROTECTED] A bad thing done for a good cause is still a bad thing. It's why so few people slap their political opponents. That, and because slapping looks so silly. - Randy Cohen. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l - Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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William T Goodall wrote: On 18 Jun 2005, at 8:51 pm, KZK wrote: Tens of millions killed by Indian (continental) cult 'thugees'. Hundreds of millions killed by roman catholic church. Story at eleven. Are you a new troll or an old troll with a new address? I must be a new troll. Lol. I was just pointing out that Mr. Ockrassa's Slanderous remarks are no different from pres. Bush and other Lying, weaseling Rightwing leaders accuse atheists of being the the cause of the holocaust. Nor is it very far removed from Reverend Falwells viciously slanderous remarks: I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen' about 911. Not very different at all. In fact it is the same tactics being used by the Rightwing media to slander Sen. Durbin and misdirect attention away from Guantanamo Bay and torture. The question is not whether the US man who murdered his 9 children was like Stalin--clearly he was not. The question is whether he is different enough. If all you can say to defend this child murderer is point to Stalin and say Stalin was worse then you are despicable indeed. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:16:10 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote Naturally; but then, we *all* believe our opinions to be correct. If we felt otherwise, we would not hold those opinions. But sometimes we forget that they are *only* opinions, unfortunately. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voicemail: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 10:16 AM Sunday 6/19/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:16:10 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote Naturally; but then, we *all* believe our opinions to be correct. If we felt otherwise, we would not hold those opinions. But sometimes we forget that they are *only* opinions, unfortunately. A guy I knew in the Air Force was fond of saying Everybody is entitled to his own ridiculous opinion . . . _ or her, if applicable Generic Male Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 19 Jun 2005, at 6:39 pm, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:16 AM Sunday 6/19/2005, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:16:10 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote Naturally; but then, we *all* believe our opinions to be correct. If we felt otherwise, we would not hold those opinions. But sometimes we forget that they are *only* opinions, unfortunately. A guy I knew in the Air Force was fond of saying Everybody is entitled to his own ridiculous opinion . . . It's that kind of disregard for critical thinking that allows the pernicious evil of religion to flourish and bring misery and suffering to millions around the world. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Aerospace is plumbing with the volume turned up. - John Carmack ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:05 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: McMocracy :-) Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jun 18, 2005, at 11:24 PM, KZK wrote: William T Goodall wrote: Are you a new troll or an old troll with a new address? I must be a new troll. Lol. I was just pointing out that Mr. Ockrassa's Slanderous remarks are no different from pres. Bush and other Lying, weaseling Rightwing leaders accuse atheists of being the the cause of the holocaust. Nor is it very far removed from Reverend Falwells viciously slanderous remarks: I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen' about 911. Not very different at all. I had no idea that Mr. Ockrassa's comments on an obscure mailing list had led to the deaths of thousands upon thousands of Iraqis and Americans. Impeach Warren Ockrassa! In fact it is the same tactics being used by the Rightwing media to slander Sen. Durbin and misdirect attention away from Guantanamo Bay and torture. The question is not whether the US man who murdered his 9 children was like Stalin--clearly he was not. The question is whether he is different enough. If all you can say to defend this child murderer is point to Stalin and say Stalin was worse then you are despicable indeed. Where did /anybody/ defend this guy? I think several people in this thread have pointed out that the mere fact that he was a religious zealot and the fact that he killed his children does not taint religion itself or those who find comfort and community in it. The question is whether we continue to support the annoying tendency of certain posters to assert that it was this insane individual's religious zealotry that caused him to kill his children, when it is at least as likely that his insanity drove him to both his religious zealotry and the murder of his children. Maybe it's time for someone to take up the cause of knee-jerk criticisms of crazy people? Every time any crazy act is mentioned on list, that person needs to chime in with See, craziness is evil and should be eradicated. Dave Religion is the Mass of the Opiates Land ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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The question is whether we continue to support the annoying tendency of certain posters to assert that it was this insane individual's religious zealotry that caused him to kill his children, when it is at least as likely that his insanity drove him to both his religious zealotry and the murder of his children. Yeah, cause we all REALLY know it was Dungeons Dragons that drove him to do it... Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: Esci's BMP-1 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jun 18, 2005, at 11:24 PM, KZK wrote: I was just pointing out that Mr. Ockrassa's Slanderous remarks are no different from pres. Bush and other Lying, weaseling Rightwing leaders accuse atheists of being the the cause of the holocaust. How much wind would it take from your sails to know I'm an atheist myself? I just dislike horse-pounding. William sometimes seems to play a one-note tune. There's a lot more to any discussion than religion is bad mm'kay. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Religious Zealots Murder Each Other == A Romanian nun has died after being bound to a cross, gagged and left alone for three days in a cold room in a convent, Romanian police have said. Members of the convent in north-west Romania claim Maricica Irina Cornici was possessed and that the crucifixion had been part of an exorcism ritual. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4107524.stm == That's a little more like it. Keep it in the family. *In* the family. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Warren Ockrassa wrote: Religious Zealots Murder Each Other == A Romanian nun has died after being bound to a cross, gagged and left alone for three days in a cold room in a convent, Romanian police have said. Members of the convent in north-west Romania claim Maricica Irina Cornici was possessed and that the crucifixion had been part of an exorcism ritual. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4107524.stm == That's a little more like it. Keep it in the family. *In* the family. Sounds incestuous when you put it that way Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Damon Agretto wrote: Yeah, cause we all REALLY know it was Dungeons Dragons that drove him to do it... I must be the most evil person in the list, because I am christian, communist, heavy metal fan and DD player. Evil Alberto ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jun 19, 2005, at 7:52 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I must be the most evil person in the list, because I am christian, communist, heavy metal fan and DD player. And a furriner. And prob'ly a turr'rist. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4106038.stm US father murdered nine children Wesson is said to have exerted tyrannical control over his family A US court has convicted a man of killing nine of his children, many of whom he had fathered through incest. Marcus Wesson, a 58-year-old religious zealot who ran his family like a cult, could face the death penalty. He was arrested last year after police found nine bodies with identical bullet wounds at his home - a massacre that shocked the Californian town of Fresno. Wesson's lawyers had argued that eight of the victims were shot dead by his daughter, who then killed herself. The victims ages ranged from one to 25 years old. The jury took two weeks to convict Wesson on all nine counts of murder. It also found him guilty of 14 counts of raping and molesting seven of his daughters and nieces. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Aerospace is plumbing with the volume turned up. - John Carmack ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Millions Killed by Atheist Governments == Tiananmen Square, the symbolic political heart of China, was open to the public. But extra carloads of police watched tourists on the vast plaza, where weeks of student-led demonstrations that drew tens of thousands ended in a military attack 16 years ago Saturday. Troops killed hundreds and perhaps thousands of protesters that day. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8099306/ == The letter, written by two underground Christian women, Li Ailian and Wang Yue, reports that in efforts to find and apprehend Gong and suppress the South China Church, police arrested and severely beat at least 25 Christians, killing two of them, while torturing others with electric prods. http://www.worthynews.com/news-features-2/chinese-christians-killed- tortured.html == Lenin and Stalin had already killed more than 12 million enemies of the state before Hitler and the Nazis took power in 1933. http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articlesprint/ChapmanSovietP.htm == -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Jun 2005, at 10:58 am, Warren Ockrassa wrote: Millions Killed by Atheist Governments Lenin and Stalin had already killed more than 12 million enemies of the state before Hitler and the Nazis took power in 1933. Stalinism and Nazism are both quasi-religions. Thanks for giving more evidence of the evil of religion. I wasn't going to mention them...yet. Irrational beliefs aren't restricted to belief in supernatural ghoulies, ghosties and gods after all. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ If you listen to a UNIX shell, can you hear the C? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Religious zealot slaughters children Stalinism and Nazism are both quasi-religions. Capitalism and Democracy are quasi-religions too. So now that we have redefined everything that exists as a religion, I hypothesize that You, William are evil! G xponent In The Genes Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jun 18, 2005, at 6:37 AM, William T Goodall wrote: Stalinism and Nazism are both quasi-religions. Thanks for giving more evidence of the evil of religion. I wasn't going to mention them...yet. Irrational beliefs aren't restricted to belief in supernatural ghoulies, ghosties and gods after all. And how rational is it to pursue religion as being the evil in the universe? Doesn't such behavior presume that the *atheistic* group are The Ones Who Possess The Truth? Atheists who promote the cause with cultish, exclusionary and evangelical disregard for others' sensibilities -- who say in essence that we're right while everyone else is wrong -- are every bit as guilty of quasi-religious thinking as those they denigrate, and I am glad not to be of that mindset. It's possible to disbelieve and not be a self-righteous jerk about it as well. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 11:39 AM Saturday 6/18/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jun 18, 2005, at 6:37 AM, William T Goodall wrote: Stalinism and Nazism are both quasi-religions. Thanks for giving more evidence of the evil of religion. I wasn't going to mention them...yet. Irrational beliefs aren't restricted to belief in supernatural ghoulies, ghosties and gods after all. And how rational is it to pursue religion as being the evil in the universe? Doesn't such behavior presume that the *atheistic* group are The Ones Who Possess The Truth? Well, of course. That goes without saying. But if you have any doubt about it, just ask one of them. :P Atheists who promote the cause with cultish, exclusionary and evangelical disregard for others' sensibilities -- who say in essence that we're right while everyone else is wrong -- are every bit as guilty of quasi-religious thinking as those they denigrate, and I am glad not to be of that mindset. It's possible to disbelieve and not be a self-righteous jerk about it as well. You no doubt realize that you've provided so many openings here that it would be no fun to take any of them . . . ;) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Jun 2005, at 4:20 pm, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Religious zealot slaughters children Stalinism and Nazism are both quasi-religions. Capitalism and Democracy are quasi-religions too. I don't think you are right there. Perhaps you could explain why you think so? The reason I call Stalinism and Nazism quasi-religions (after the theologian Paul Tillich) is that they share enough of the identifying features of a religion to be called a religion. One of these identifying features is a prophetic figure whose revelations form the basis of the religion. Such figures include Jesus, Hitler, Buddha, Marx. No corresponding individual exists for capitalism or democracy. Another feature is the holy text: Bible, Mein Kampf, Das Kapital, Koran. Again, no such text exists for capitalism or democracy. Another feature of religion is community - you are of the faith or not, a member of the Party or not. Again, not a feature of capitalism or democracy. And so on... -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ The three chief virtues of a programmer are: Laziness, Impatience and Hubris - Larry Wall ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jun 18, 2005, at 9:48 AM, William T Goodall wrote: One of these identifying features is a prophetic figure whose revelations form the basis of the religion. Such figures include Jesus, Hitler, Buddha, Marx. No corresponding individual exists for capitalism or democracy. George Washington is a local one. Thomas Jefferson. That drooling damned-fool ex-cowboy Reagan. And the other George W. These have achieved something like legendary status among certain circles, deserved or not. Rush Limbaugh used to be thought of as a great evangelizer of certain flavors of democracy, as well as a particular mode of capitalism. He might still be among the tragically inbred. Money is worshipped in the US, to be certain. Apparently you *haven't* seen a Wal-Mart management conference if you really believe that money-grubbing isn't an event closely tied to religious zeal. Another feature is the holy text: Bible, Mein Kampf, Das Kapital, Koran. Again, no such text exists for capitalism or democracy. Apparently you've never heard some Americans go on about the Constitution. And of course there's the American crucifix -- the flag. Another feature of religion is community - you are of the faith or not, a member of the Party or not. Again, not a feature of capitalism or democracy. On what planet do you live? Or have you been totally unaware of what's been happening in the US for the last half of a decade? This is one of the most virulently capitalistic nations ever, and between that crushing drive to have everything *and* the obsessive need to foist McMocracy onto the rest of the world, we've managed to get ourselves on the shit lists of about half the nations on Earth. That's only possible because of the prophetic leaders, the slavish adherence to holy writs and the absolute certainty of American rectitude over all else. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jun 18, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: And how rational is it to pursue religion as being the evil in the universe? Doesn't such behavior presume that the *atheistic* group are The Ones Who Possess The Truth? Well, of course. That goes without saying. But if you have any doubt about it, just ask one of them. :P Naturally; but then, we *all* believe our opinions to be correct. If we felt otherwise, we would not hold those opinions. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Jun 2005, at 6:16 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jun 18, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: And how rational is it to pursue religion as being the evil in the universe? Doesn't such behavior presume that the *atheistic* group are The Ones Who Possess The Truth? Well, of course. That goes without saying. But if you have any doubt about it, just ask one of them. :P Naturally; but then, we *all* believe our opinions to be correct. If we felt otherwise, we would not hold those opinions. I don't think my opinions are necessarily correct, they're just the best opinions I've managed to come up with so far. Of course I *act* as if they were correct because, provisionally, they are. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Invest in a company any idiot can run because sooner or later any idiot is going to run it. - Warren Buffet ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Jun 2005, at 6:05 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jun 18, 2005, at 9:48 AM, William T Goodall wrote: One of these identifying features is a prophetic figure whose revelations form the basis of the religion. Such figures include Jesus, Hitler, Buddha, Marx. No corresponding individual exists for capitalism or democracy. George Washington is a local one. Thomas Jefferson. That drooling damned-fool ex-cowboy Reagan. And the other George W. These have achieved something like legendary status among certain circles, deserved or not. Rush Limbaugh used to be thought of as a great evangelizer of certain flavors of democracy, as well as a particular mode of capitalism. He might still be among the tragically inbred. Money is worshipped in the US, to be certain. Apparently you *haven't* seen a Wal-Mart management conference if you really believe that money-grubbing isn't an event closely tied to religious zeal. Another feature is the holy text: Bible, Mein Kampf, Das Kapital, Koran. Again, no such text exists for capitalism or democracy. Apparently you've never heard some Americans go on about the Constitution. And of course there's the American crucifix -- the flag. snip You're stretching an actual definition into a metaphor. The features I listed (plus several others) are the ways anthropologists and theologians identify religions as opposed to other kinds of organisations like zaibatsu or bowling leagues. It might be an apt and amusing metaphor but it is not actually the case that capitalism is a religion or quasi-religion. It is the case for Nazism and Stalinism however. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ 'The true sausage buff will sooner or later want his own meat grinder.' -- Jack Schmidling ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jun 18, 2005, at 11:19 AM, William T Goodall wrote: You're stretching an actual definition into a metaphor. The features I listed (plus several others) are the ways anthropologists and theologians identify religions as opposed to other kinds of organisations like zaibatsu or bowling leagues. It might be an apt and amusing metaphor but it is not actually the case that capitalism is a religion or quasi-religion. It is the case for Nazism and Stalinism however. Hmm. You're going to have to come up with some evidence to support the claims you've made -- first, that what I've pointed out is any more or less metaphorical than what you've posited; and second, that what you've posited has definite characteristics that are *not* what you define as metaphor. FWIW, I wasn't referring earlier to Nazis -- I was pointing out the atrocities committed by atheists. Naziism wasn't atheistic. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Jun 2005, at 7:45 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Jun 18, 2005, at 11:19 AM, William T Goodall wrote: You're stretching an actual definition into a metaphor. The features I listed (plus several others) are the ways anthropologists and theologians identify religions as opposed to other kinds of organisations like zaibatsu or bowling leagues. It might be an apt and amusing metaphor but it is not actually the case that capitalism is a religion or quasi-religion. It is the case for Nazism and Stalinism however. Hmm. You're going to have to come up with some evidence to support the claims you've made -- first, that what I've pointed out is any more or less metaphorical than what you've posited; A definition isn't a metaphor. Nazism and Stalinism are, strictly, religions under the definition of religion you can find in the Encyclopaedia Britannica. They are termed 'quasi-religions' since they don't have the historical associations of religions, but in every other way they are religions. So there is nothing metaphorical about what I'm saying. and second, that what you've posited has definite characteristics that are *not* what you define as metaphor. A metaphor is 'a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable'. The term religion *is* literally applicable to Nazism and Stalinism and is therefore not a metaphorical usage. FWIW, I wasn't referring earlier to Nazis -- I was pointing out the atrocities committed by atheists. Naziism wasn't atheistic. Theism and religion are orthogonal concepts. There are non-theistic religions and non-religious theists. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ A computer without Windows is like a cake without mustard. - anonymous ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Tens of millions killed by Indian (continental) cult 'thugees'. Hundreds of millions killed by roman catholic church. Story at eleven. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Behalf Of William T Goodall Another feature is the holy text: Bible, Mein Kampf, Das Kapital, Koran. Again, no such text exists for capitalism or democracy. What about Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations? That's clearly a holy text of capitalism. And Alexis de Tocqueville's Democracy In America... - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Jun 2005, at 11:33 pm, Horn, John wrote: Behalf Of William T Goodall Another feature is the holy text: Bible, Mein Kampf, Das Kapital, Koran. Again, no such text exists for capitalism or democracy. What about Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations? That's clearly a holy text of capitalism. And Alexis de Tocqueville's Democracy In America... Well most capitalists probably haven't heard of Adam Smith and it doesn't stop them doing business, and most people who vote in a democracy haven't heard of de Tocqueville. Every Christian knows of the Bible, every Nazi of Mein Kampf, every Maoist of The Little Red Book... I think the difference is sufficiently clear cut. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Invest in a company any idiot can run because sooner or later any idiot is going to run it. - Warren Buffet ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18 Jun 2005, at 8:51 pm, KZK wrote: Tens of millions killed by Indian (continental) cult 'thugees'. Hundreds of millions killed by roman catholic church. Story at eleven. Are you a new troll or an old troll with a new address? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ How long a minute is depends on which side of the bathroom door you're on. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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William T Goodall wrote: On 18 Jun 2005, at 8:51 pm, KZK wrote: Tens of millions killed by Indian (continental) cult 'thugees'. Hundreds of millions killed by roman catholic church. Story at eleven. Are you a new troll or an old troll with a new address? Do you want to know badly enough to check header info yourself? :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
