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> okay, but what is kun and kami-sama http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_titles Rich GCU One Line Reply al so des ka arigato, Ky?shi ?? : jlm Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jon said: > okay, but what is kun and kami-sama http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_titles Rich GCU One Line Reply ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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> Although in translation san is usually rendered as a common courtesy > title like Mr. or Ms., unlike these it is never used in self-reference. > domo arigato rob-san; i will remember not to refer to myself as > jon-san when i am in yokohama... > jon jon-kun, you are welcome of course. But be sure not to refer to yourself as jon-sama unless you want to develop a reputation. xponent Kami-Sama Complex Maru rob okay, but what is kun and kami-sama jon Knowledge is Power Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: san
On 8/14/2007 9:47:32 PM, jon louis mann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Although in translation san is usually rendered as a common courtesy > title like Mr. or Ms., unlike these it is never used in > self-reference. > > domo arigato rob-san; i will remember not to refer to myself as > jon-san > when i am in yokohama... > jon jon-kun, you are welcome of course. But be sure not to refer to yourself as jon-sama unless you want to develop a reputation. xponent Kami-Sama Complex Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Although in translation san is usually rendered as a common courtesy title like Mr. or Ms., unlike these it is never used in self-reference. domo arigato rob-san; i will remember not to refer to myself as jon-san when i am in yokohama... jon Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: San Jose Mercury News: Scientology critic seeks pardon
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Re: Grammar is evil and should be (Was Re: SCOUTED: Garrison Keillor on "San Franciscophobia")
On Jun 15, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: Dave Land wrote: Language is a liquid. Newtonian or non-Newtonian? What would be the shearing stress on language, and how would we measure the rate of shear? Take some measurements and that'll tell you. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Garrison Keillor on "San Franciscophobia"
On 15/06/2006, at 5:06 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: William wrote: I don't think the collapse of Western civilisation is a laughing matter. Yur yankin' my chain again, right William? Charlie, is he yankin' my chain again? I can never tell, sorry. :) But Will tends to err on the humourous side, even when he's being damn offensive, so I give him the benefit. Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Grammar is evil and should be (Was Re: SCOUTED: Garrison Keillor on "San Franciscophobia")
On 15 Jun 2006, at 5:48PM, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 15, 2006, at 4:27 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 15 Jun 2006, at 6:47AM, Doug Pensinger wrote: William wrote: Voila / viola Rogue / rouge Lose / loose Fluorescent / flourescent Atheist / athiest Hobbyist / hobbiest Ballot / ballet Customers / costumers Tack / tact Bated / baited Anal/anil I don't think the collapse of Western civilisation is a laughing matter. Do you mean "civilization", or have I missed your British accent in other posts? I'm Scottish. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ "We look to Scotland for all our ideas of civilisation." - Voltaire ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Grammar is evil and should be (Was Re: SCOUTED: Garrison Keillor on "San Franciscophobia")
Dave Land wrote: Language is a liquid. Newtonian or non-Newtonian? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Grammar is evil and should be (Was Re: SCOUTED: Garrison Keillor on "San Franciscophobia")
On Jun 15, 2006, at 4:27 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 15 Jun 2006, at 6:47AM, Doug Pensinger wrote: William wrote: Voila / viola Rogue / rouge Lose / loose Fluorescent / flourescent Atheist / athiest Hobbyist / hobbiest Ballot / ballet Customers / costumers Tack / tact Bated / baited Anal/anil I don't think the collapse of Western civilisation is a laughing matter. Do you mean "civilization", or have I missed your British accent in other posts? I notice that you only reacted thus after Anil's name came up. What's your problem with Anil? He's a damned fine engineer, even if he does have trouble pronouncing certain letters in English. Do you have a problem with our friends from the Subcontinent? Or maybe it was Anal. Do you have a problem in that area (not that I am inviting you to overshare, mind you)? As the one whose/who's incorrect word choice triggered this tack/tact of this particular thread, I'm not really in a position to speak against a desire for proper grammar/grammer, but the collapse of Western civilization? Language is a liquid. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Garrison Keillor on "San Franciscophobia"
William T Goodall wrote: What's most surprising is that several of these aren't even words so it can't be spell checkers that are to blame. Eye halve a spelling chequer, It came with my pea sea, It plainly marques four my revue, Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a key and type a word And weight four it two say Weather eye am wrong oar write- It showes me strait a weigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose bee for too long and eye can put the error rite Its rare lea ever wrong. Eye have run this poem thew it; I am shore your pleased tow no Its letter perfect awl the weigh, My chequer tolled me sew. Andrew ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Garrison Keillor on "San Franciscophobia"
William wrote: I don't think the collapse of Western civilisation is a laughing matter. Yur yankin' my chain again, right William? Charlie, is he yankin' my chain again? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Garrison Keillor on "San Franciscophobia"
On 15 Jun 2006, at 6:47AM, Doug Pensinger wrote: William wrote: Voila / viola Rogue / rouge Lose / loose Fluorescent / flourescent Atheist / athiest Hobbyist / hobbiest Ballot / ballet Customers / costumers Tack / tact Bated / baited Anal/anil I don't think the collapse of Western civilisation is a laughing matter. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ And yes, OSX is marvelous. Its merest bootlace, Windows is not worthy to kiss. - David Brin ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Garrison Keillor on "San Franciscophobia"
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Re: SCOUTED: Garrison Keillor on "San Franciscophobia"
On 14 Jun 2006, at 3:48AM, Dave Land wrote: On Jun 12, 2006, at 3:35 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 12 Jun 2006, at 3:04AM, Dave Land wrote: Salon is running a great piece by the inimitable Garrison Kiellor on the ridiculous tact Is that a back-formation from 'tactic'? Because the correct word is 'tack', a figurative usage of the sailing term. You cot me. That's the pries I pay for halving had a peace of my brane removed. That's a better excuse than most English abusers on the internet can manage. It seems like the bad drives out the good with errors becoming more common than the correct use. Some of the more common: Voila / viola Rogue / rouge Lose / loose Fluorescent / flourescent Atheist / athiest Hobbyist / hobbiest Ballot / ballet Customers / costumers Tack / tact Bated / baited What's most surprising is that several of these aren't even words so it can't be spell checkers that are to blame. Every time I see 'baited breath' in print I think of people trying to catch flies in their slack-jawed mouths... -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Theists cannot be trusted as they believe that right and wrong are the arbitrary proclamations of invisible demons. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Garrison Keillor on "San Franciscophobia"
On Jun 12, 2006, at 3:35 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 12 Jun 2006, at 3:04AM, Dave Land wrote: Salon is running a great piece by the inimitable Garrison Kiellor on the ridiculous tact Is that a back-formation from 'tactic'? Because the correct word is 'tack', a figurative usage of the sailing term. You cot me. That's the pries I pay for halving had a peace of my brane removed. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Garrison Keillor on "San Franciscophobia"
On 12 Jun 2006, at 3:04AM, Dave Land wrote: Folks, Salon is running a great piece by the inimitable Garrison Kiellor on the ridiculous tact Is that a back-formation from 'tactic'? Because the correct word is 'tack', a figurative usage of the sailing term. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Theists cannot be trusted as they believe that right and wrong are the arbitrary proclamations of invisible demons. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
SCOUTED: Garrison Keillor on "San Franciscophobia"
Folks, Salon is running a great piece by the inimitable Garrison Kiellor on the ridiculous tact that the Republican party is taking in its attempt to unseat Nancy Pelosi: that she is from San Francisco, where there are known g-a-y people! Horrors! Here's the full text of the story, in case you'd rather not be subjected to their advertising... (I know that not all people think advertising is evil. For them, here's the link, too): http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/06/07/keillor/ San Franciscophobia We're stuck with a terrible war and a worse president, and all the GOP can do is scream, "Pelosi and her Nancy boys are coming"? This is pathetic. By Garrison Keillor June 7, 2006 | People who live in mud huts should not throw mud, especially if it comes from their own roofs. As Scripture says, don't point to the speck in your neighbor's eye when you have a piece of kindling in your own. I see by the papers that the Republicans want to make an issue of Nancy Pelosi in the congressional races this fall: Would you want a San Francisco woman to be Speaker of the House? Will the podium be repainted in lavender stripes with a disco ball overhead? Will she be borne into the chamber by male dancers with glistening torsos and wearing pink tutus? After all, in the unique worldview of old elephants, San Francisco is a code word for g-a-y, and after assembling a record of government lies, incompetence and disaster, the party in power hopes that the fear of g-a-y-s will pull it through in November. Running against Nancy Pelosi, a woman who comes from a district where there are known gay persons, is a nice trick, but it does draw attention to the large shambling galoot who is speaker now, Tom DeLay's enabler for years, a man who, judging by his public mutterances, is about as smart as most high school wrestling coaches. For the past year, Dennis Hastert has been two heartbeats from the presidency. He is a man who seems content just to have a car and driver and three square meals a day. He has no apparent vision beyond the urge to hang onto power. He has succeeded in turning Congress into a branch of the executive branch. If Mr. Hastert becomes the poster boy for the Republican Party, this does not speak well for them as the Party of Ideas. People who want to take a swing at San Francisco should think twice. Yes, the Irish coffee at Fisherman's Wharf is overpriced, and the bus tour of Haight-Ashbury is disappointing (where are the hippies?), but the Bay Area is the cradle of the computer and software industry, which continues to create jobs for our children. The iPod was not developed by Baptists in Waco, Texas. There may be a reason for this. Creative people thrive in a climate of openness and tolerance, since some great ideas start out sounding ridiculous. Creativity is a key to economic progress. Authoritarianism is stifling. I don't believe that Mr. Hewlett and Mr. Packard were gay, but what's important is: In San Francisco, it doesn't matter so much. When the cultural Sturmbannfuhrers try to marshal everyone into straight lines, it has consequences for the economic future of this country. Meanwhile, the Current Occupant goes on impersonating a president. Somewhere in the quiet leafy recesses of the Bush family, somebody is thinking, "Wrong son. Should've tried the smart one." This one's eyes don't quite focus. Five years in office and he doesn't have a grip on it yet. You stand him up next to Tony Blair at a press conference and the comparison is not kind to Our Guy. Historians are starting to place him at or near the bottom of the list. And one of the basic assumptions of American culture is falling apart: the competence of Republicans. You might not have always liked Republicans, but you could count on them to manage the bank. They might be lousy tippers, act snooty, talk through their noses, wear spats and splash mud on you as they race their Pierce-Arrows through the village, but you knew they could do the math. To see them produce a ninny and then follow him loyally into the swamp for five years is disconcerting, like seeing the Rolling Stones take up lite jazz. So here we are at an uneasy point in our history, mired in a costly war and getting nowhere, a supine Congress granting absolute power to a president who seems to get smaller and dimmer, and the best the Republicans can offer is San Franciscophobia? This is beyond pitiful. This is violently stupid. It is painful to look at your father and realize the old man should not be allowed to manage his own money anymore. This is the discovery the country has made about the party in power. They are inept. The checkbook needs to be taken away. They will rant, they will screech, they will wa
Re: Why the City of San Francisco is Wrong
JDG wrote: > > O.k., I promise that this is my last posting tonight on this subject. > "tonight"? I am glad to know that you still have some sense of humour :-) Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Why the City of San Francisco is Wrong
O.k., I promise that this is my last posting tonight on this subject. The left-leaning magazine Slate posted two very interesting articles on this subject yesterday. The first, by my favorite political reporter, Dahlia Lithwick (whom I regularly disagree with, BTW), focuses on the proper role of the California Attorney-General in this situation: http://slate.msn.com/id/2095945/ The second, by an author I am not familiar with, Richard Thompson Ford, looks at the civil disobedience angle, and raises this ominious paragraph: But I worry about the types of constitutional revelations we might expect in other cities with different political constituencies. Employing San Francisco's argument, a local school board official who personally believes that the constitutional right to religious freedom entitles teachers to lead their classes in prayer could order school principals to allow the practice. A local official who personally believes affirmative action is unconstitutional could refuse to implement a state law requiring it. Further on, Mr. Ford reaches the very interesting conclusion that if San Francisco really wanted to engage in "legal" civil disobedience, it could refuse to issue marriage licenses until the State of California changed its laws to permit homosexual marriages.Read the full story here: http://slate.msn.com/id/2095955/ JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity." - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment)
At 05:44 PM 2/22/2004 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: > Lawyers and high legal fees are >required for both wills and durable powers of attorney when gay partnerships >are involved. I have no doubt that there are difficulties in assigning these rights through the current legal processes, indeed I support civil unions for precisely this reason. I would point out, however, that my ex-girlfirend who is on Medicare managed to assign her medical power of attorney to a non-family-member. So, it can be done. But I agree, the process should be streamlined and made simpler. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity." - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are weaverage?(wasRE: Hate_Amendment)
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 07:27:02AM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: > >From: Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >By the way, since some people seem to not know me very well, I > >should point out that I never mean to discourage anyone from writing > >anything they want to post. If it appears like I am doing so in a > >particular post, look for sarcasm. > > I'm well aware of your views on free speech, hence the big grinning > smiley. ;) That wasn't for your benefit :-) I got your joke, and I knew you understood me, but judging by some replies I'd seen to other things I didn't know if everyone would get the "in joke". -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are weaverage?(wasRE: Hate_Amendment)
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 12:25:52PM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: I sometimes find it hard to take The Fool seriously sometimes since his comments aren't unbiased. I have the same problem with JDG sometimes. Both take rather extremist points of view and often fail to acknowledge a value in other perspectives. And SOMETIMES I should proof before clicking send. But only sometimes. *sigh* :-D Jon Sorry, I'm Never At My Best At 7:00am Maru http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are weaverage?(wasRE: Hate_Amendment)
From: Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are weaverage?(wasRE: Hate_Amendment) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:41:15 -0500 On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 12:25:52PM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: > Surely it's not entirely relevant since there's an agenda behind it. > Of course, with kneem, there's _always_ an agenda. (He must sleep with > Jim Marrs books under his pillow.) > > As for my not posting, to heck with that. :-D How does an agenda make it irrelevant? Well, obviously, I didn't think the comment was relevant to the conversation at hand. I'm less sure of that now, having read more of my recent brin mail. I sometimes find it hard to take The Fool seriously sometimes since his comments aren't unbiased. I have the same problem with JDG sometimes. Both take rather extremist points of view and often fail to acknowledge a value in other perspectives. You seem to have an agenda yourself with your comment to Fool. Perhaps. By the way, since some people seem to not know me very well, I should point out that I never mean to discourage anyone from writing anything they want to post. If it appears like I am doing so in a particular post, look for sarcasm. I'm well aware of your views on free speech, hence the big grinning smiley. ;) Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment)
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:48:22 -0500 At 11:15 AM 2/20/2004 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: >He and my friend >had been together for several years and were living together for more than a >year. As sometimes happens, since both were in their early 30's with no >health problems, neither had thought to update their wills. In all fairness, this is a very key point.Gay couples already do have significant legal power to update their power of attorney, medical power of attorney, and their wills to assign rights to their partners. Accoding to the law, the current definition of 'fairness' doesn't include equality'. It can be much more difficult for gays to obtain the same legal protections that heterosexuals take for granted. Your deceptively simple statement ignores certain realities of life. Remember that the majority of people in this country are not independently wealthy. They do not have the ability to lay out thousands in legal fees to protect the ones they love. For reasons outlined below, a gay will cannot be written using a $20 program with forms. Lawyers and high legal fees are required for both wills and durable powers of attorney when gay partnerships are involved. An option you didn't mention that many people are now opting for, a living trust, also costs a great deal of money to establish. Yet, a simple document that costs less than $30 in most states practically guarantees some of these rights to heterosexual couples that gays will have to spend thousands to gain. A civil marriage certificate does not merely exist for moral purposes. It gives a wife or husband certain legal rights with regard to their partner's wishes and joint possessions. Wills can be practically useless as they are open to contest. They also tend to have a clause in, or are typically interpreted by the courts as, leaving unassigned possessions to the genetic/biological family rather than the family a person has chosen. Recently, many gay couples have had to resort to making multiple subsequent wills -- each containing minor changes in order to prevent families from stepping in and contesting. When multiple subsequent wills exist, a family will need to contest each one. In the meantime, the partner gets nothing. And so we're completely clear about this, families usually do fight. When money is involved, homophobics come out of the woodwork. Probate courts do not work in the partner's favor, either. Depending on the size of an estate, a probate lawyer can cost thousands and the court can cause years of delay. Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average?(was RE: Hate_Amendment)
On 22 Feb 2004, at 2:17 am, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 10:06:18PM +, Richard Baker wrote: And I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED*, *SHOCKED!!!* that Erik didn't write this! ...or did he? Too easy. Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ My theory has always been that The Fool is Howard Dean, actually... I think he's Bill Gates... -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ "It is our belief, however, that serious professional users will run out of things they can do with UNIX." - Ken Olsen, President of DEC, 1984. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are weaverage?(was RE: Hate_Amendment)
"Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > At 10:21 PM 2/21/04, Julia Thompson wrote: > >"Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > Julia asked: "Well, what if it's *not* going to be used by astronomers at > an astronomical observatory [...] ?" > > Answer: A person getting out of bed after a couple of hours or more and > sleepily walking to the bathroom without turning on any room lights until > s/he gets to the bathroom in order not to disturb anyone else who may still > be asleep is probably at least as likely to select the wrong switch, and > the resulting involuntary cry of "AAARGH!!" is likely to end up disturbing > said other sleepers anyway . . . I see. I don't think it'll be *that* much worse than turning on the regular light whose switch is right next to the unused one. We don't have dimmer switches in the bathrooms. > > Julia > > > >who can explain the unused light switch, really... > > Does that mean that you also have a story to share? Well, when we were going over the wiring plans for the house, the architect had indicated a switch for the light in each bathroom and a switch for the fan. Dan wanted the fans to be on timer switches. For some reason, the full bath downstairs has the correct number of switches (2 different lights in there, 2 switches at one door, 1 switch at the other door that just turns on the light over the sink) but the other 3 bathrooms have 2 switches, 1 light over the toilet and 1 fan powered by the timer switch. So in the two upstairs bathrooms, there's an extra switch already there for the heat fan. Unless *that* wants to be on its own timer switch, in which case the interesting problem will be turning on the heat lamp when you really, really needed the ventilation fan. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average?(was RE: Hate_Amendment)
At 10:21 PM 2/21/04, Julia Thompson wrote: "Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > At 10:04 PM 2/21/04, Julia Thompson wrote: > >Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > > > > Someone called for an electrician? > > > > > > xponent > > > House Calls Maru > > > rob > > > >Yeah, you know anything about installing a heat light in a bathroom? > > Yes. *Don't* put the switch next to the light switch. Particularly if the > bathroom is located in an astronomical observatory and is likely to be used > in the middle of the night by astronomers whose eyes are completely > dark-adapted after hours in the dark, and the switch for the light is a > dimmer switch so they can be turned on very faintly so as not to blind > anyone . . . Well, what if it's *not* going to be used by astronomers at an astronomical observatory and there's a switch available next to the light switch that nothing else is using right now? > > Julia > > > >Only Half-Kidding Maru > > Not Kidding At All Maru > > -- Ronn! :) I have a feeling there's a story behind that Gee, whatever would make you think that, just from such a detailed, specific account of why not to do things that way? :-P In brief: when they built the new BYU observatory on a mountain some distance from campus, the architects apparently found a regulation that there had to be some sort of heater in the bathrooms, and, owing to lack of space, etc., they installed a heat lamp in the ceiling of each bathroom and put the switch for it next to the dimmer switch for the room lights. Suffice it to say that whether or not the installation is in an astronomical observatory or a private home (1) it is very easy when entering a dark room in the middle of the night to accidentally get the wrong one of two switches which are next to each other, separated by only a couple of inches or so, and (2) a 250-watt "infrared" heat lamp puts out a rather significant amount of radiation in the visible part of the electromagnetic spectrum. The usual indication that someone had accidentally selected the wrong switch was a cry of "AAARGH!!" which could be heard throughout the entire building as the victim's dark-adapted eyeballs were stabbed by the unexpected light. Julia asked: "Well, what if it's *not* going to be used by astronomers at an astronomical observatory [...] ?" Answer: A person getting out of bed after a couple of hours or more and sleepily walking to the bathroom without turning on any room lights until s/he gets to the bathroom in order not to disturb anyone else who may still be asleep is probably at least as likely to select the wrong switch, and the resulting involuntary cry of "AAARGH!!" is likely to end up disturbing said other sleepers anyway . . . Julia who can explain the unused light switch, really... Does that mean that you also have a story to share? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (wasRE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment)
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 02:38 PM 2/21/2004 -0700 Michael Harney wrote: > >See, one of the same judges that "shot it down" on what you call a > >technicality said that the plantiffs (the people seeking to stop the > >marriages) would probably win on their merrits. > > > >This isn't a case of judicial activism using symantics to strike down > >something they disagree with, > > The above does not demonstrate at all the judge's beliefs. > > Rather it seems far more likely that the judge is conceding that he will > have to issue a ruling that he personally disagrees with, and thus > prolonged the inevitable on a technicality. > > A semicolon. Really. Yes, a semicolon, really. I find what you chose to snip very telling. You even cut one of my sentences in half to not include a vrey important point: That the judge did not have the authority to enforce the order as it was written. You don't want a real discussion of the facts, you just want to polarize people with an "us against them" mentality, rather than trying to disolve those barriers with a productive discussion. I've heard enough. Both you and The Fool are too stuborn to have a discussion with. I've tried to encourage both of you to try to be more rational and reasonable in discussions, but to no avail. > Did anyone say "due process" around here? Did someone say that the order, as it was written, was something a judge did not have the authority to order? Oh, yeah, one of the judges did! The order got its due process and it was struck down on genuine legal grounds. If the plantiffs submit a properly worded order and it is summarily struck down by judges, *then* I might agree that it's judicial activism, but until that happens, I'm tired of listening to your rhetoric. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (wasRE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment)
At 02:38 PM 2/21/2004 -0700 Michael Harney wrote: >See, one of the same judges that "shot it down" on what you call a >technicality said that the plantiffs (the people seeking to stop the >marriages) would probably win on their merrits. > >This isn't a case of judicial activism using symantics to strike down >something they disagree with, The above does not demonstrate at all the judge's beliefs. Rather it seems far more likely that the judge is conceding that he will have to issue a ruling that he personally disagrees with, and thus prolonged the inevitable on a technicality. A semicolon. Really. Did anyone say "due process" around here? JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity." - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment)
At 11:15 AM 2/20/2004 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: >He and my friend >had been together for several years and were living together for more than a >year. As sometimes happens, since both were in their early 30's with no >health problems, neither had thought to update their wills. In all fairness, this is a very key point.Gay couples already do have significant legal power to update their power of attorney, medical power of attorney, and their wills to assign rights to their partners. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity." - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average?(was RE: Hate_Amendment)
"Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > At 10:04 PM 2/21/04, Julia Thompson wrote: > >Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > > > > Someone called for an electrician? > > > > > > xponent > > > House Calls Maru > > > rob > > > >Yeah, you know anything about installing a heat light in a bathroom? > > Yes. *Don't* put the switch next to the light switch. Particularly if the > bathroom is located in an astronomical observatory and is likely to be used > in the middle of the night by astronomers whose eyes are completely > dark-adapted after hours in the dark, and the switch for the light is a > dimmer switch so they can be turned on very faintly so as not to blind > anyone . . . Well, what if it's *not* going to be used by astronomers at an astronomical observatory and there's a switch available next to the light switch that nothing else is using right now? > > Julia > > > >Only Half-Kidding Maru > > Not Kidding At All Maru > > -- Ronn! :) I have a feeling there's a story behind that Julia who can explain the unused light switch, really... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Hate_Amendment)
At 10:04 PM 2/21/04, Julia Thompson wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "William T Goodall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we > average?(wasRE: Hate_Amendment) > > > > > On 22 Feb 2004, at 1:49 am, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > > > Erik Reuter wrote: > > >> > > >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 10:06:18PM +, Richard Baker wrote: > > >> > > >>> And I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED*, *SHOCKED!!!* that Erik > didn't > > >>> write this! ...or did he? > > >> > > >> Too easy. > > > > > > And I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED*, *SHOCKED!!!* that Erik > didn't > > > respond in this thread with being *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED* or > > > *SHOCKED!!!* for some reason or another. > > > > And I'm that you're `shocked` :) Or is that 'shocked' ? > Well > > it's certainly ?shocking? anyway... > > > > Someone called for an electrician? > > xponent > House Calls Maru > rob Yeah, you know anything about installing a heat light in a bathroom? Yes. *Don't* put the switch next to the light switch. Particularly if the bathroom is located in an astronomical observatory and is likely to be used in the middle of the night by astronomers whose eyes are completely dark-adapted after hours in the dark, and the switch for the light is a dimmer switch so they can be turned on very faintly so as not to blind anyone . . . Julia Only Half-Kidding Maru Not Kidding At All Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - arewe average?(wasRE: Hate_Amendment)
Robert Seeberger wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "William T Goodall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we > average?(wasRE: Hate_Amendment) > > > > > On 22 Feb 2004, at 1:49 am, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > > > Erik Reuter wrote: > > >> > > >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 10:06:18PM +, Richard Baker wrote: > > >> > > >>> And I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED*, *SHOCKED!!!* that Erik > didn't > > >>> write this! ...or did he? > > >> > > >> Too easy. > > > > > > And I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED*, *SHOCKED!!!* that Erik > didn't > > > respond in this thread with being *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED* or > > > *SHOCKED!!!* for some reason or another. > > > > And I'm that you're `shocked` :) Or is that 'shocked' ? > Well > > it's certainly ?shocking? anyway... > > > > Someone called for an electrician? > > xponent > House Calls Maru > rob Yeah, you know anything about installing a heat light in a bathroom? Julia Only Half-Kidding Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average?(wasRE: Hate_Amendment)
Gautam Mukunda wrote: > My theory has always been that The Fool is Howard > Dean, actually... And the boy-I'm-glad-I-wasn't-drinking-anything-when-I-read-that-post award for the evening goes to Gautam. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average?(wasRE: Hate_Amendment)
- Original Message - From: "William T Goodall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average?(wasRE: Hate_Amendment) > > On 22 Feb 2004, at 1:49 am, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > Erik Reuter wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 10:06:18PM +, Richard Baker wrote: > >> > >>> And I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED*, *SHOCKED!!!* that Erik didn't > >>> write this! ...or did he? > >> > >> Too easy. > > > > And I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED*, *SHOCKED!!!* that Erik didn't > > respond in this thread with being *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED* or > > *SHOCKED!!!* for some reason or another. > > And I'm that you're `shocked` :) Or is that 'shocked' ? Well > it's certainly ?shocking? anyway... > Someone called for an electrician? xponent House Calls Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average?(was RE: Hate_Amendment)
--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 10:06:18PM +, Richard > Baker wrote: > > > And I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED*, > *SHOCKED!!!* that Erik didn't > > write this! ...or did he? > > Too easy. > > Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ My theory has always been that The Fool is Howard Dean, actually... = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Freedom is not free" http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average?(wasRE: Hate_Amendment)
On 22 Feb 2004, at 1:49 am, Julia Thompson wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 10:06:18PM +, Richard Baker wrote: And I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED*, *SHOCKED!!!* that Erik didn't write this! ...or did he? Too easy. And I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED*, *SHOCKED!!!* that Erik didn't respond in this thread with being *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED* or *SHOCKED!!!* for some reason or another. And I'm that you're `shocked` :) Or is that 'shocked' ? Well it's certainly ?shocking? anyway... -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who study history are doomed to repeat it. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (wasRE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment)
Michael Harney wrote: > This isn't a case of judicial activism using symantics to strike down > something they disagree with, it is clearly a wrongly worded order, and is > something that the judges *cannot* order. I would *never* want a wrongly > worded order to be issued in court, as all court orders are legally binding. > If there is anyone to be angry at, be angry at the lawyer that > prepared/submitted it. It's who I would be angry at if an issue important > to me was shot down in court because the documents submitted were not > correct/appropriate. A lawyer should know what is and is not neccessary, > and should know not make mistakes like that. In fact, if I thought I might have reason to need a lawyer in California anytime soon, I'd want to know which lawyer it was that prepared the document, so's I'd know to *avoid* that lawyer. I bet whoever it was is in pretty hot water with his or her buddies. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average?(wasRE: Hate_Amendment)
Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 10:06:18PM +, Richard Baker wrote: > > > And I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED*, *SHOCKED!!!* that Erik didn't > > write this! ...or did he? > > Too easy. And I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED*, *SHOCKED!!!* that Erik didn't respond in this thread with being *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED* or *SHOCKED!!!* for some reason or another. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average?(was RE: Hate_Amendment)
On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 10:06:18PM +, Richard Baker wrote: > And I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED*, *SHOCKED!!!* that Erik didn't > write this! ...or did he? Too easy. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average?(was RE: Hate_Amendment)
The Fool said: >> And I must say that I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, I tell you, to find none > of >> Brin-L's reisdent left-wingers criticzing this absurdity, and in >> fact, several of them praising it. > > And I must say that I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, I tell you, to find none > of Brin-L's reisdent right-wingers criticzing this absurdity (allowing > a Traitorous Co-conspiator go free), and in fact, one of them > virtually praising it. And I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, *SHOCKED*, *SHOCKED!!!* that Erik didn't write this! ...or did he? Rich ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average?(was RE: Hate_Amendment)
> From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 02:34 PM 2/20/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote: > >John, > > > >>>I assume you've been watching the news about the semicolon that saved San > >>>Francisco. It's been nice having something to cheer about while watching > >>>the local newscast. :-D > >> > >> I presume by the smiley that you aren't serious. > >> > >> Surely that kind of judicial ruling is not good for a free society. > > > >Do you mean that it is /not/ the job of Judges to insist that legal > >documents be constructed so as to insure that their meaning is clear? > > You have GOT to be kidding me, right? > > To quote Ivanova "You're using the letter of the law to defeat the spirit > of the law." > > I'm sorry, but forcing a multi-day delay in a legal process over a > semicolon is cynical, craven, crass, and unbecoming of a judge no matter > what side you are on. I'm sorry, but allowing a Traitorous Co-conspiratior (the others were pardoned by Shrub-Daddy) like John Poindexter to go free because of a technicality is cynical, craven, crass, and unbecoming of a judge no matter what side you are on. > > And I must say that I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, I tell you, to find none of > Brin-L's reisdent left-wingers criticzing this absurdity, and in fact, > several of them praising it. And I must say that I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, I tell you, to find none of Brin-L's reisdent right-wingers criticzing this absurdity (allowing a Traitorous Co-conspiator go free), and in fact, one of them virtually praising it. > JDG - Who is frankly sick and tired of liberals on Brin-L cynically > insisting upon so-falled "fair-mindedness" from conservatives, and seeing > scant sign of it from themselves. The Fool - Who is frankly sick and tired of conservative on Brin-L cynically insisting upon so-called "fair-mindedness" from liberals, and seeing scant sign of it from themselves. > Did somebody once mention "due process" on this List?I couldn't tell. Did somebody once mention "High Crimes" on this List?I couldn't tell. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment)
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 02:34 PM 2/20/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote: > >John, > > > >>>I assume you've been watching the news about the semicolon that saved San > >>>Francisco. It's been nice having something to cheer about while watching > >>>the local newscast. :-D > >> > >> I presume by the smiley that you aren't serious. > >> > >> Surely that kind of judicial ruling is not good for a free society. > > > >Do you mean that it is /not/ the job of Judges to insist that legal > >documents be constructed so as to insure that their meaning is clear? > > You have GOT to be kidding me, right? > > To quote Ivanova "You're using the letter of the law to defeat the spirit > of the law." > > I'm sorry, but forcing a multi-day delay in a legal process over a > semicolon is cynical, craven, crass, and unbecoming of a judge no matter > what side you are on. > > And I must say that I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, I tell you, to find none of > Brin-L's reisdent left-wingers criticzing this absurdity, and in fact, > several of them praising it. > > JDG - Who is frankly sick and tired of liberals on Brin-L cynically > insisting upon so-falled "fair-mindedness" from conservatives, and seeing > scant sign of it from themselves. > > Did somebody once mention "due process" on this List?I couldn't tell. > Did you even *read* the article. quote: - The Proposition 22 Legal Defense and Education Fund had asked the judge to issue an order commanding the city to "cease and desist issuing marriage licenses to and/or solemnizing marriages of same-sex couples; to show cause before this court." "The way you've written this it has a semicolon where it should have the word 'or'," the judge told them. "I don't have the authority to issue it under these circumstances." - The semicolon changes the meaning of what is written, and the judge said he didn't have the authority to order it as it was written. It isn't just symantics and technicalities, it's a matter of *law*. The article also said: - The second judge told the plaintiffs that they would likely succeed on the merits eventually, but that for now, he couldn't accept their proposed court order because of a punctuation error. - See, one of the same judges that "shot it down" on what you call a technicality said that the plantiffs (the people seeking to stop the marriages) would probably win on their merrits. This isn't a case of judicial activism using symantics to strike down something they disagree with, it is clearly a wrongly worded order, and is something that the judges *cannot* order. I would *never* want a wrongly worded order to be issued in court, as all court orders are legally binding. If there is anyone to be angry at, be angry at the lawyer that prepared/submitted it. It's who I would be angry at if an issue important to me was shot down in court because the documents submitted were not correct/appropriate. A lawyer should know what is and is not neccessary, and should know not make mistakes like that. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment)
At 02:34 PM 2/20/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote: >John, > >>>I assume you've been watching the news about the semicolon that saved San >>>Francisco. It's been nice having something to cheer about while watching >>>the local newscast. :-D >> >> I presume by the smiley that you aren't serious. >> >> Surely that kind of judicial ruling is not good for a free society. > >Do you mean that it is /not/ the job of Judges to insist that legal >documents be constructed so as to insure that their meaning is clear? You have GOT to be kidding me, right? To quote Ivanova "You're using the letter of the law to defeat the spirit of the law." I'm sorry, but forcing a multi-day delay in a legal process over a semicolon is cynical, craven, crass, and unbecoming of a judge no matter what side you are on. And I must say that I am *shocked*, SHOCKED, I tell you, to find none of Brin-L's reisdent left-wingers criticzing this absurdity, and in fact, several of them praising it. JDG - Who is frankly sick and tired of liberals on Brin-L cynically insisting upon so-falled "fair-mindedness" from conservatives, and seeing scant sign of it from themselves. Did somebody once mention "due process" on this List?I couldn't tell. ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity." - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment)
John, I assume you've been watching the news about the semicolon that saved San Francisco. It's been nice having something to cheer about while watching the local newscast. :-D I presume by the smiley that you aren't serious. Surely that kind of judicial ruling is not good for a free society. Do you mean that it is /not/ the job of Judges to insist that legal documents be constructed so as to insure that their meaning is clear? Dave "Language is hard" Land David M. Land[EMAIL PROTECTED] 408-551-0427 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (wasRE: Hate_Amendment)
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 06:44:56PM -, iaamoac wrote: > Actually, it was irrelevant Erik. Hardly. It is a similar problem, but you treat it doesn't seem to offend you, since it doesn't hamper your efforts to coerce others to follow your whims. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (wasRE: Hate_Amendment)
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This > was a relevant counter-example Actually, it was irrelevant Erik. I asked whether a particular judicial ruling is good for a free society, and he brought up a judicial ruling that is over a decade old, without ever responding to the original question, Of course, "such nonsense to avoid the issue is not unexpected" JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average?(wasRE: Hate_Amendment)
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 12:25:52PM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: > Surely it's not entirely relevant since there's an agenda behind it. > Of course, with kneem, there's _always_ an agenda. (He must sleep with > Jim Marrs books under his pillow.) > > As for my not posting, to heck with that. :-D How does an agenda make it irrelevant? You seem to have an agenda yourself with your comment to Fool. By the way, since some people seem to not know me very well, I should point out that I never mean to discourage anyone from writing anything they want to post. If it appears like I am doing so in a particular post, look for sarcasm. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average?(wasRE: Hate_Amendment)
From: Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average?(wasRE: Hate_Amendment) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:24:23 -0500 On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 11:17:57AM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: > >From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Surely the kind of judicial ruling that let Treasonous Iran-Contra > >Conspirator Poindexter go free is not good for a free society. > > Surely such baiting and trolling attacks would be better launched in > private. Surely your misguided comments should not be posted at all, Jon. This was a relevant counter-example and not the slightest bit insulting (unusual from Fool, yes, but nevertheless...) Surely it's not entirely relevant since there's an agenda behind it. Of course, with kneem, there's _always_ an agenda. (He must sleep with Jim Marrs books under his pillow.) As for my not posting, to heck with that. :-D Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (wasRE: Hate_Amendment)
> Surely such baiting and trolling attacks would be > better launched in > private. Not for him, since he has an agenda and will use as many opportunities as he can to push it forward, no matter the relevance. Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (wasRE: Hate_Amendment)
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 11:17:57AM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: > >From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Surely the kind of judicial ruling that let Treasonous Iran-Contra > >Conspirator Poindexter go free is not good for a free society. > > Surely such baiting and trolling attacks would be better launched in > private. Surely your misguided comments should not be posted at all, Jon. This was a relevant counter-example and not the slightest bit insulting (unusual from Fool, yes, but nevertheless...) -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (wasRE: Hate_Amendment)
From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (wasRE: Hate_Amendment) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:00:52 -0600 > From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 01:57 PM 2/18/2004 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: > >I assume you've been watching the news about the semicolon that saved San > >Francisco. It's been nice having something to cheer about while watching > >the local newscast. :-D > > I presume by the smiley that you aren't serious. > > Surely that kind of judicial ruling is not good for a free society. Surely the kind of judicial ruling that let Treasonous Iran-Contra Conspirator Poindexter go free is not good for a free society. Surely such baiting and trolling attacks would be better launched in private. Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment)
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:29:04 -0500 At 01:57 PM 2/18/2004 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: >I assume you've been watching the news about the semicolon that saved San >Francisco. It's been nice having something to cheer about while watching >the local newscast. :-D I presume by the smiley that you aren't serious. Surely that kind of judicial ruling is not good for a free society. No, I'm totally serious. I have zero problem with judges sending it back if there were errors in it. They are completely entitled to do so under the law, even if the error in question may seem frivolous to a layperson. Personally, I'm cheering for other reasons. I strongly support gay marriage. Last year a friend's partner died unexpectedly. He and my friend had been together for several years and were living together for more than a year. As sometimes happens, since both were in their early 30's with no health problems, neither had thought to update their wills. For months now, I've watched a very dear friend whom I've known since childhood go through pure hell as his partner's family and friends (who had incidentally rejected his partner when he came out) have acted like vultures at a feast. My friend is entitled to few or no rights under either federal or his state's law. Had they been able to get married, things would have been very different. As far as I'm concerned, this is purely a matter of dignity, respect and human decency. Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Hate_Amendment)
> From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 01:57 PM 2/18/2004 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: > >I assume you've been watching the news about the semicolon that saved San > >Francisco. It's been nice having something to cheer about while watching > >the local newscast. :-D > > I presume by the smiley that you aren't serious. > > Surely that kind of judicial ruling is not good for a free society. Surely the kind of judicial ruling that let Treasonous Iran-Contra Conspirator Poindexter go free is not good for a free society. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment)
At 01:57 PM 2/18/2004 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: >I assume you've been watching the news about the semicolon that saved San >Francisco. It's been nice having something to cheer about while watching >the local newscast. :-D I presume by the smiley that you aren't serious. Surely that kind of judicial ruling is not good for a free society. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity." - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
San Diego Fire far from Br!n's
In a message dated 10/29/2003 8:28:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > The list doesn't know exactly where you are relative > > to all that bright non > > ellectrical night time illumination. > Please pass on to the list that we're all fine here. > 15 miles or so from the flames that licked withing > half a mile of Cheryl's mother's house. The air > quality yesterday was horrid. Better now. > > Oh. To hear an interesting recent speech about > TECHNOLOGICAL NIGHTMARES carried on NPR -- offering > perspectives by a renowned futurist economist -- go to > http://www.buwi.org/shows/2003/10/20031026.asp > Professor Streetn offers a number of exceptionally > wise perspectives about future threats and > opportunities. I'm biased, of course, since he spends > five minutes or so talking favorably about my book The > Transparent Society. > > db > ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Listref] Segway hits legal pothole in San Francisco
Robert Seeberger wrote: > Ammiano also said Segway's campaign rubbed officials the > wrong way. > "Segway didn't help themselves by hiring very expensive > lobbyists," he said. "I think that backfired on them, too." > New Hampshire-based Segway hired lobbying firms but has > made no contributions to any public officials or > candidates, said Matt Dailida, the company's director > of state government affairs. So in other words, they lost their market in San Francisco because they didn't bribe enough politicians. That article fits right in with the one about the Republican Congress... :-( __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama => [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
[Listref] Segway hits legal pothole in San Francisco
http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=21348§ion=NEWS&year= 2003&month=1&day=20 With its congested streets and love of geek chic, San Francisco might have been expected to embrace Segway, the environmentally friendly, self-balancing personal vehicle that aims to entice people out of their smog-spewing cars. Instead, the city today becomes the first large municipality to outlaw the Segway Human Transporter on its sidewalks - more than a month before the chariot-like vehicles are made available to the public. The Board of Supervisors acted last month after intense lobbying by Segway LLC in state capitols to change laws to permit the two-wheeled vehicles on sidewalks. Thirty-three states, including California, approved Segway-enabling legislation. But that doesn't mean major cities will roundly embrace the scooters touted by inventor Dean Kamen when he introduced them to great fanfare in December 2001, as apt to "change civilization." State law allows cities to opt out. The upright device - controlled by body movements with the help of tiny computers and gyroscopes - has been tested across the country by postal workers, police officers and meter readers. They're on sale to the public at Amazon.com for $4,950 each and will begin shipping in March. Critics say the Segway is a safety hazard on sidewalks because it weighs 69 pounds and travels at up to 12.5 mph - three times faster than the typical pedestrian. No state is requiring that its drivers be trained, although some have set minimum age and helmet requirements. "We don't want to say that it doesn't ever make sense. But in urban settings there isn't enough room for all the pedestrians," said Ellen Vanderslice, president of America WALKs, a pedestrian advocacy group based in Portland, Ore. In hilly San Francisco, officials feared the battery-powered Segways would cause more problems than they would solve, particularly for the disabled and seniors. "There were statistics submitted to us about injuries, and the Segways themselves did not have adequate safety features to alert people they might be behind them," said Tom Ammiano, a San Francisco supervisor who supported the ban. Segway officials say the scooters have been tested for 100,000 hours on city streets nationwide without injury. Ammiano also said Segway's campaign rubbed officials the wrong way. "Segway didn't help themselves by hiring very expensive lobbyists," he said. "I think that backfired on them, too." New Hampshire-based Segway hired lobbying firms but has made no contributions to any public officials or candidates, said Matt Dailida, the company's director of state government affairs. xponent Toys Maru rob You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
