Re: Free Cake Ebook : How to build your own blog from scratch
@ JAmesF Sources have sources. It's a tree thing. Wikipedia was my source. Researchers and their studies/articles/whatever are, according to your argument, not sources as they cite information gathered from another source. It goes on. source: a person, book, or document that provides information or evidence. (source: OED) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Free Cake Ebook : How to build your own blog from scratch
>so no - write in english or post in in the corresponding Malaysian >cakePhp forum >thats my opinion The post was in English about something written in Malay. > by the way: > every Malaysian developer who wants to try out cake would need to > understand English anyway And therefore, most Malaysian speakers will look to an English forum for answers they can't find in their mother-tongue. This guy is simply trying to help other speakers of Malay by posting in the lingua franca of CakePHP (and most, but not all, other software). His post was clearly addressed to speakers of Malay. If you are not one of them, it's not for you so keep quiet. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Free Cake Ebook : How to build your own blog from scratch
how is wikipedia a source? did wikipedia do any research? any statistics gained from wikipedia were cited from some other source. the source is the original cited study/article/whatever. wikipedia is great for general infomation but i can tell you that i personally see innaccuracies, biases, and otherwise unprovable/non- factual claims mentioned in many articles. please take wikipedia for what it is, an aggregator of "sources", subject to editorialization. On Jul 30, 9:50 pm, "j0n4s.h4rtm...@googlemail.com" wrote: > Can't you all be a little nicer towards each other? :/ > > Its great to have non-English tutorials around. There is not non- > English group. It would make sense to prefix your initial posting with > [lang] or [lang-LANG] - that way it won't disturb others. > I mostly disagree with euromark. One thing he mentions is very > important though: You can contribute to the cake manual right here in > the language of your choice.http://book.cakephp.org/view/527/Translations > be aware that you should add to the English version what misses > completely and then translate that to your mother language as well. > > Plus: Wikipedia is a source. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Free Cake Ebook : How to build your own blog from scratch
Can't you all be a little nicer towards each other? :/ Its great to have non-English tutorials around. There is not non- English group. It would make sense to prefix your initial posting with [lang] or [lang-LANG] - that way it won't disturb others. I mostly disagree with euromark. One thing he mentions is very important though: You can contribute to the cake manual right here in the language of your choice. http://book.cakephp.org/view/527/Translations be aware that you should add to the English version what misses completely and then translate that to your mother language as well. Plus: Wikipedia is a source. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Free Cake Ebook : How to build your own blog from scratch
(source: Wikipedia) not a source On Jul 30, 4:43 am, leop wrote: > > i dont think a lot of people are able to read that - or know the > > language at all > > i wonder... why not using ENGLISH in the first place? > > I can only assume you made this comment to raise some hackles. While > we're at it why don't we just abolish German (I assume that's your > first language)? > > Malay is the official language in Brunei, Malaysia, Singapore and is > native to Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand. There are also significant > communities in Australia & Bahrain (source: Wikipedia). > > There are plenty of tutorials in English and tutorials in other > languages are always welcome. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Free Cake Ebook : How to build your own blog from scratch
For the record: I'm gr8tful for every publication about cake tips&tricks. In most cases 90% of it I.m familiar with, but I like to read it because of this 10% that will be new, suprising, fresh and useful. So "there's lots of stufff in english" doesn't convince me - I just want to read this one too, but my Malaysian is quite bad ;) So drop text in google translate and just check if it has **basically** the same meaning as original text. If so - make another (english) pdf for the benefit of the rest of ours and Your eternal glory ;) Those of us who don't speak Malaysian want to write here: "good work Azril, I'll link that in my blog, that's how good this e-book is"; but for now, we can't. Greg On 30 Lip, 13:50, "euromark (munich)" wrote: > totally agree with andreas > posting stuff in your mother tongue in an english forum is just not > appropriate > how would you feel if everybody starts to use his mother tongue > this would be a multiculti whatever group without anybody beeing able > to read anything else > > so no - write in english or post in in the corresponding Malaysian > cakePhp forum > thats my opinion > > by the way: > every Malaysian developer who wants to try out cake would need to > understand English anyway > (so for the rest of the 2xx countries/languages on this planet) > maybe there already is some translation in the cookbook for you guys - > but the comments and functions are still explained in english - you > would not get very far, anyway. > > on some topics its just best practice to communicate in the language > accepted as world language. at least as long as you want to > communicate with people "abroad" (and not just your neighbors or > friends) > and the cake community probably is one of those cases :) > > take it as an advice for the feature ebooks - if you want to share > them with the rest of the world > i bet everybody could live with it, even those Malaysian programmers > you wanted to address > > On 30 Jul., 10:52, Andreas Derksen wrote: > > > hi, > > well, in comparison to english, its still to less people who understand > > that language ;) > > > most open source stuff is written in english, to make it available to all. > > > anyway, thanks for that effort, i'd like to read that ebook, but > > unfortunately i don't understand malay ;) i would appreciate an > > international version of that ebook, as there are to less free (e)books > > out there imho. > > > greets > > Andreas > > > leop schrieb: > > > >> i dont think a lot of people are able to read that - or know the > > >> language at all > > >> i wonder... why not using ENGLISH in the first place? > > > > I can only assume you made this comment to raise some hackles. While > > > we're at it why don't we just abolish German (I assume that's your > > > first language)? > > > > Malay is the official language in Brunei, Malaysia, Singapore and is > > > native to Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand. There are also significant > > > communities in Australia & Bahrain (source: Wikipedia). > > > > There are plenty of tutorials in English and tutorials in other > > > languages are always welcome. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Free Cake Ebook : How to build your own blog from scratch
totally agree with andreas posting stuff in your mother tongue in an english forum is just not appropriate how would you feel if everybody starts to use his mother tongue this would be a multiculti whatever group without anybody beeing able to read anything else so no - write in english or post in in the corresponding Malaysian cakePhp forum thats my opinion by the way: every Malaysian developer who wants to try out cake would need to understand English anyway (so for the rest of the 2xx countries/languages on this planet) maybe there already is some translation in the cookbook for you guys - but the comments and functions are still explained in english - you would not get very far, anyway. on some topics its just best practice to communicate in the language accepted as world language. at least as long as you want to communicate with people "abroad" (and not just your neighbors or friends) and the cake community probably is one of those cases :) take it as an advice for the feature ebooks - if you want to share them with the rest of the world i bet everybody could live with it, even those Malaysian programmers you wanted to address On 30 Jul., 10:52, Andreas Derksen wrote: > hi, > well, in comparison to english, its still to less people who understand > that language ;) > > most open source stuff is written in english, to make it available to all. > > anyway, thanks for that effort, i'd like to read that ebook, but > unfortunately i don't understand malay ;) i would appreciate an > international version of that ebook, as there are to less free (e)books > out there imho. > > greets > Andreas > > leop schrieb: > > >> i dont think a lot of people are able to read that - or know the > >> language at all > >> i wonder... why not using ENGLISH in the first place? > > > I can only assume you made this comment to raise some hackles. While > > we're at it why don't we just abolish German (I assume that's your > > first language)? > > > Malay is the official language in Brunei, Malaysia, Singapore and is > > native to Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand. There are also significant > > communities in Australia & Bahrain (source: Wikipedia). > > > There are plenty of tutorials in English and tutorials in other > > languages are always welcome. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Free Cake Ebook : How to build your own blog from scratch
hi, well, in comparison to english, its still to less people who understand that language ;) most open source stuff is written in english, to make it available to all. anyway, thanks for that effort, i'd like to read that ebook, but unfortunately i don't understand malay ;) i would appreciate an international version of that ebook, as there are to less free (e)books out there imho. greets Andreas leop schrieb: >> i dont think a lot of people are able to read that - or know the >> language at all >> i wonder... why not using ENGLISH in the first place? >> >> > I can only assume you made this comment to raise some hackles. While > we're at it why don't we just abolish German (I assume that's your > first language)? > > Malay is the official language in Brunei, Malaysia, Singapore and is > native to Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand. There are also significant > communities in Australia & Bahrain (source: Wikipedia). > > There are plenty of tutorials in English and tutorials in other > languages are always welcome. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Free Cake Ebook : How to build your own blog from scratch
> i dont think a lot of people are able to read that - or know the > language at all > i wonder... why not using ENGLISH in the first place? > I can only assume you made this comment to raise some hackles. While we're at it why don't we just abolish German (I assume that's your first language)? Malay is the official language in Brunei, Malaysia, Singapore and is native to Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand. There are also significant communities in Australia & Bahrain (source: Wikipedia). There are plenty of tutorials in English and tutorials in other languages are always welcome. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Free Cake Ebook : How to build your own blog from scratch
It may be free, but not open :P Tried to copy text to google translate, but it seems to be protected ; ( So it's no use for lots of people right now. You probably should have post info about it on Malaysian cakePhp forum instead of teasing with us :P On Jul 29, 1:27 pm, Azril Nazli wrote: > For those who can understand Malay language, I just made this Ebook to > help you out understand CakePHP > > http://blog.mamakspot.my/blog/posts/view/19/Ebook-Panduan-Bina-Blog-G... > > or > > http://mamakspot.googlecode.com/files/Azril%20Nazli%20Books%20-%20Mem... > > Written in Malay language ( Malaysia Official Language ) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Free Cake Ebook : How to build your own blog from scratch
actually it should be ModelName (camelCased!) On 29 Jul., 15:02, Jogi Silalahi wrote: > Just give a comment, > i see on your tutorial : > $variable[‘Model name’][‘field name’] > > it should be written : > $variable[‘Model_name’][‘field_name’] > > CMIIW. > > On 7/29/09, Azril Nazli wrote: > > > > > For those who can understand Malay language, I just made this Ebook to > > help you out understand CakePHP > > >http://blog.mamakspot.my/blog/posts/view/19/Ebook-Panduan-Bina-Blog-G... > > > or > > >http://mamakspot.googlecode.com/files/Azril%20Nazli%20Books%20-%20Mem... > > > Written in Malay language ( Malaysia Official Language ) > > -- > - Jogi Henra Ersa Silalahi - > Del Polytechnic of Informatics > Tobasa - North Sumatera > Mobile : +6281361702670http://jogisilalahi.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Free Cake Ebook : How to build your own blog from scratch
Just give a comment, i see on your tutorial : $variable[‘Model name’][‘field name’] it should be written : $variable[‘Model_name’][‘field_name’] CMIIW. On 7/29/09, Azril Nazli wrote: > > For those who can understand Malay language, I just made this Ebook to > help you out understand CakePHP > > http://blog.mamakspot.my/blog/posts/view/19/Ebook-Panduan-Bina-Blog-Guna-CakePHP-versi-0-1 > > or > > http://mamakspot.googlecode.com/files/Azril%20Nazli%20Books%20-%20Membina%20Blog%20menggunakan%20CakePHP.pdf > > Written in Malay language ( Malaysia Official Language ) > > > > > -- - Jogi Henra Ersa Silalahi - Del Polytechnic of Informatics Tobasa - North Sumatera Mobile : +6281361702670 http://jogisilalahi.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Free Cake Ebook : How to build your own blog from scratch
i dont think a lot of people are able to read that - or know the language at all i wonder... why not using ENGLISH in the first place? On 29 Jul., 13:27, Azril Nazli wrote: > For those who can understand Malay language, I just made this Ebook to > help you out understand CakePHP > > http://blog.mamakspot.my/blog/posts/view/19/Ebook-Panduan-Bina-Blog-G... > > or > > http://mamakspot.googlecode.com/files/Azril%20Nazli%20Books%20-%20Mem... > > Written in Malay language ( Malaysia Official Language ) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
