Re: Using or not using PHP framework
Or put it into your libs directory and load it using
App::import('lib', 'MyClass/my_class') which will load
libs/my_class.php in both cases (even if my_class.php is in a subdir
of libs).
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 6:19 AM, CyberSprinters wrote:
> If you want to use a class, you can simply use it as a "vendor", and
> then instantiate within the controller that you want to use, and
> viola...
>
> On Dec 7, 9:15 am, cricket wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Raj wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>>
>> > Thanks so much for your response.
>> > Could you clarify on:
>> > Some people say that while you are working with a framework you get
>> > limited by the no of libraries developed for that framework and would
>> > not be able to benefit from the large no of libraries that exist for
>> > languages like PHP. So I wanted to know if at the stage of development
>> > I feel that CakePHP is not working very fine for me and I want to
>> > switch working with normal PHP language, can I migrate with my
>> > application easily?
>>
>> Migrating back to straight PHP might be quite a chore as you'd have an
>> awful lot of holes to fill in. I guess it depends on the size and
>> complexity of the app.
>>
>> As for libraries, etc. I don't think there's any issue at all. It's
>> not difficult to create a wrapper for most (if not all) libraries.
>> Visit the Bakery [1] and you'll find quite a lot of wrappers people
>> have already built.
>>
>> [1]http://bakery.cakephp.org/
>
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Re: Using or not using PHP framework
To be honest. If you're not sure how much work it would be to migrate from Cake to a "normal" PHP application, then you obviously haven't worked enough with neither PHP nor CakePHP (or any framework for that matter). On Dec 7, 2010, at 4:43 AM, Raj wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks so much for your response. > Could you clarify on: > Some people say that while you are working with a framework you get > limited by the no of libraries developed for that framework and would > not be able to benefit from the large no of libraries that exist for > languages like PHP. So I wanted to know if at the stage of development > I feel that CakePHP is not working very fine for me and I want to > switch working with normal PHP language, can I migrate with my > application easily? > > On Dec 6, 4:26 pm, "Ma'moon" wrote: >> Just take a look at the name, its simply CAKE :-) >> >> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:22 PM, burzum wrote: >>> I disagree that you have to invest 100 hours learning in the begining >>> if you already know PHP. >> >>> When I started using CakePHP I migrated a project that was already two >>> month in development to CakePHP in just two weeks. Sure I did not >>> learn everything in this two weeks but it's easy to learn as you go in >>> my opinion and it worked out very well. >> >>> On 4 Dez., 10:28, Rumkuchen wrote: invest 100 hours learning overhead at the beginning -> then you are as fast as without cake. invest another 50 hours of hard experience -> then you are 10 times faster. It is hard at the beginning, but there is an enormous return of time intested. see it as an advantage, that the documentation is not 100% clear, some parts could be better and so on and so on. But: all this hurdles will help you understanding the framework. >> On 4 Dez., 03:55, Raj wrote: >> > hmmThanks so much for the great advice! >> > On Dec 3, 1:59 pm, Joshua Muheim wrote: >> >> Funny, I first learned Ruby On Rails, too, and then dove into CakePHP >> (because at my current job they don't know anything about a >> programming language called Ruby... sadly). I first had quite some >> struggles because I was used to the comfort of RoR and really missed >> some stuff in CakePHP, but now I have acclimated quite well and I >>> have >> to say that CakePHP is quite cool for the PHP language. :-) >> >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Stephen < >>> step...@ninjacodermonkey.co.uk> wrote: >> I have stopped working without a framework in the background years ago, and I only can recommend it. There's SO much stuff you don't >>> even know about that's handled by a good framework in the background >>> (all sorts of hacking-attempts is taken care of, for example), and with >>> a good plugin system your application can probably use great blocks >>> of code you've developed before or somebody else has already >>> developed. >> I only know CakePHP in the PHP world, so I'm not up to date what >>> else is on the market there, but CakePHP really seems to be a good framework to start with. And what can't hurt, too, is to check out >>> a framework in another language from time to time... I can only >>> suggest you check out Ruby on Rails (Ruby), Django (Python) or Seaside (Smalltalk). You can learn A LOT from such "other worlds". You >>> will be quite embarassed and feel like you have been "naive" before after having done it. It's clearly an enlighting... Somehow it can be compared to taking a virtual drug that opens your consciousness. >>> LSD for programmers! ;-) >> >>> Likewise, and I completely agree. >> >>> I did dive into CakePHP some years ago and ended up being baffled >>> and >>> confused because I didn't know anything about objects never mind >>> MVC. >> >>> I got roped into doing a RoR project in a previous job, then I >>> tackled >>> CakePHP again and I never code without a framework anymore >> >>> Kind Regards >>> Stephen >> >>> Check out the new CakePHP Questions >>> sitehttp://cakeqs.organdhelpothers >>> with their CakePHP related questions. >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> "CakePHP" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comFor >>> more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en >> >>> Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://cakeqs.organd help others >>> with their CakePHP related questions. >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "CakePHP" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email t
Re: Using or not using PHP framework
If you want to use a class, you can simply use it as a "vendor", and then instantiate within the controller that you want to use, and viola... On Dec 7, 9:15 am, cricket wrote: > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Raj wrote: > > Hi all, > > > Thanks so much for your response. > > Could you clarify on: > > Some people say that while you are working with a framework you get > > limited by the no of libraries developed for that framework and would > > not be able to benefit from the large no of libraries that exist for > > languages like PHP. So I wanted to know if at the stage of development > > I feel that CakePHP is not working very fine for me and I want to > > switch working with normal PHP language, can I migrate with my > > application easily? > > Migrating back to straight PHP might be quite a chore as you'd have an > awful lot of holes to fill in. I guess it depends on the size and > complexity of the app. > > As for libraries, etc. I don't think there's any issue at all. It's > not difficult to create a wrapper for most (if not all) libraries. > Visit the Bakery [1] and you'll find quite a lot of wrappers people > have already built. > > [1]http://bakery.cakephp.org/ Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Using or not using PHP framework
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Raj wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks so much for your response. > Could you clarify on: > Some people say that while you are working with a framework you get > limited by the no of libraries developed for that framework and would > not be able to benefit from the large no of libraries that exist for > languages like PHP. So I wanted to know if at the stage of development > I feel that CakePHP is not working very fine for me and I want to > switch working with normal PHP language, can I migrate with my > application easily? Migrating back to straight PHP might be quite a chore as you'd have an awful lot of holes to fill in. I guess it depends on the size and complexity of the app. As for libraries, etc. I don't think there's any issue at all. It's not difficult to create a wrapper for most (if not all) libraries. Visit the Bakery [1] and you'll find quite a lot of wrappers people have already built. [1] http://bakery.cakephp.org/ Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Using or not using PHP framework
Hi all, Thanks so much for your response. Could you clarify on: Some people say that while you are working with a framework you get limited by the no of libraries developed for that framework and would not be able to benefit from the large no of libraries that exist for languages like PHP. So I wanted to know if at the stage of development I feel that CakePHP is not working very fine for me and I want to switch working with normal PHP language, can I migrate with my application easily? On Dec 6, 4:26 pm, "Ma'moon" wrote: > Just take a look at the name, its simply CAKE :-) > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:22 PM, burzum wrote: > > I disagree that you have to invest 100 hours learning in the begining > > if you already know PHP. > > > When I started using CakePHP I migrated a project that was already two > > month in development to CakePHP in just two weeks. Sure I did not > > learn everything in this two weeks but it's easy to learn as you go in > > my opinion and it worked out very well. > > > On 4 Dez., 10:28, Rumkuchen wrote: > > > invest 100 hours learning overhead at the beginning -> then you are as > > > fast as without cake. > > > invest another 50 hours of hard experience -> then you are 10 times > > > faster. > > > It is hard at the beginning, but there is an enormous return of time > > > intested. > > > see it as an advantage, that the documentation is not 100% clear, some > > > parts could be better and so on and so on. > > > But: all this hurdles will help you understanding the framework. > > > > On 4 Dez., 03:55, Raj wrote: > > > > > hmmThanks so much for the great advice! > > > > > On Dec 3, 1:59 pm, Joshua Muheim wrote: > > > > > > Funny, I first learned Ruby On Rails, too, and then dove into CakePHP > > > > > (because at my current job they don't know anything about a > > > > > programming language called Ruby... sadly). I first had quite some > > > > > struggles because I was used to the comfort of RoR and really missed > > > > > some stuff in CakePHP, but now I have acclimated quite well and I > > have > > > > > to say that CakePHP is quite cool for the PHP language. :-) > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Stephen < > > step...@ninjacodermonkey.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > >> I have stopped working without a framework in the background years > > > > > >> ago, and I only can recommend it. There's SO much stuff you don't > > even > > > > > >> know about that's handled by a good framework in the background > > (all > > > > > >> sorts of hacking-attempts is taken care of, for example), and with > > a > > > > > >> good plugin system your application can probably use great blocks > > of > > > > > >> code you've developed before or somebody else has already > > developed. > > > > > > >> I only know CakePHP in the PHP world, so I'm not up to date what > > else > > > > > >> is on the market there, but CakePHP really seems to be a good > > > > > >> framework to start with. And what can't hurt, too, is to check out > > a > > > > > >> framework in another language from time to time... I can only > > suggest > > > > > >> you check out Ruby on Rails (Ruby), Django (Python) or Seaside > > > > > >> (Smalltalk). You can learn A LOT from such "other worlds". You > > will be > > > > > >> quite embarassed and feel like you have been "naive" before after > > > > > >> having done it. It's clearly an enlighting... Somehow it can be > > > > > >> compared to taking a virtual drug that opens your consciousness. > > LSD > > > > > >> for programmers! ;-) > > > > > > > Likewise, and I completely agree. > > > > > > > I did dive into CakePHP some years ago and ended up being baffled > > and > > > > > > confused because I didn't know anything about objects never mind > > MVC. > > > > > > > I got roped into doing a RoR project in a previous job, then I > > tackled > > > > > > CakePHP again and I never code without a framework anymore > > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions > > sitehttp://cakeqs.organdhelpothers > > > > > > with their CakePHP related questions. > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > > > "CakePHP" group. > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comFor > > > > > > more options, visit this group at > > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://cakeqs.organd help others > > with their CakePHP related questions. > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "CakePHP" group. > > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comFor > > more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en Check out the new CakePHP Q
Re: Using or not using PHP framework
Just take a look at the name, its simply CAKE :-) On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:22 PM, burzum wrote: > I disagree that you have to invest 100 hours learning in the begining > if you already know PHP. > > When I started using CakePHP I migrated a project that was already two > month in development to CakePHP in just two weeks. Sure I did not > learn everything in this two weeks but it's easy to learn as you go in > my opinion and it worked out very well. > > On 4 Dez., 10:28, Rumkuchen wrote: > > invest 100 hours learning overhead at the beginning -> then you are as > > fast as without cake. > > invest another 50 hours of hard experience -> then you are 10 times > > faster. > > It is hard at the beginning, but there is an enormous return of time > > intested. > > see it as an advantage, that the documentation is not 100% clear, some > > parts could be better and so on and so on. > > But: all this hurdles will help you understanding the framework. > > > > On 4 Dez., 03:55, Raj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hmmThanks so much for the great advice! > > > > > On Dec 3, 1:59 pm, Joshua Muheim wrote: > > > > > > Funny, I first learned Ruby On Rails, too, and then dove into CakePHP > > > > (because at my current job they don't know anything about a > > > > programming language called Ruby... sadly). I first had quite some > > > > struggles because I was used to the comfort of RoR and really missed > > > > some stuff in CakePHP, but now I have acclimated quite well and I > have > > > > to say that CakePHP is quite cool for the PHP language. :-) > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Stephen < > step...@ninjacodermonkey.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > >> I have stopped working without a framework in the background years > > > > >> ago, and I only can recommend it. There's SO much stuff you don't > even > > > > >> know about that's handled by a good framework in the background > (all > > > > >> sorts of hacking-attempts is taken care of, for example), and with > a > > > > >> good plugin system your application can probably use great blocks > of > > > > >> code you've developed before or somebody else has already > developed. > > > > > > >> I only know CakePHP in the PHP world, so I'm not up to date what > else > > > > >> is on the market there, but CakePHP really seems to be a good > > > > >> framework to start with. And what can't hurt, too, is to check out > a > > > > >> framework in another language from time to time... I can only > suggest > > > > >> you check out Ruby on Rails (Ruby), Django (Python) or Seaside > > > > >> (Smalltalk). You can learn A LOT from such "other worlds". You > will be > > > > >> quite embarassed and feel like you have been "naive" before after > > > > >> having done it. It's clearly an enlighting... Somehow it can be > > > > >> compared to taking a virtual drug that opens your consciousness. > LSD > > > > >> for programmers! ;-) > > > > > > > Likewise, and I completely agree. > > > > > > > I did dive into CakePHP some years ago and ended up being baffled > and > > > > > confused because I didn't know anything about objects never mind > MVC. > > > > > > > I got roped into doing a RoR project in a previous job, then I > tackled > > > > > CakePHP again and I never code without a framework anymore > > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions > sitehttp://cakeqs.organdhelpothers > > > > > with their CakePHP related questions. > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > > "CakePHP" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comFor > > > > > more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others > with their CakePHP related questions. > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "CakePHP" group. > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comFor > more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Using or not using PHP framework
I disagree that you have to invest 100 hours learning in the begining if you already know PHP. When I started using CakePHP I migrated a project that was already two month in development to CakePHP in just two weeks. Sure I did not learn everything in this two weeks but it's easy to learn as you go in my opinion and it worked out very well. On 4 Dez., 10:28, Rumkuchen wrote: > invest 100 hours learning overhead at the beginning -> then you are as > fast as without cake. > invest another 50 hours of hard experience -> then you are 10 times > faster. > It is hard at the beginning, but there is an enormous return of time > intested. > see it as an advantage, that the documentation is not 100% clear, some > parts could be better and so on and so on. > But: all this hurdles will help you understanding the framework. > > On 4 Dez., 03:55, Raj wrote: > > > > > > > > > hmmThanks so much for the great advice! > > > On Dec 3, 1:59 pm, Joshua Muheim wrote: > > > > Funny, I first learned Ruby On Rails, too, and then dove into CakePHP > > > (because at my current job they don't know anything about a > > > programming language called Ruby... sadly). I first had quite some > > > struggles because I was used to the comfort of RoR and really missed > > > some stuff in CakePHP, but now I have acclimated quite well and I have > > > to say that CakePHP is quite cool for the PHP language. :-) > > > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Stephen > > > wrote: > > > > >> I have stopped working without a framework in the background years > > > >> ago, and I only can recommend it. There's SO much stuff you don't even > > > >> know about that's handled by a good framework in the background (all > > > >> sorts of hacking-attempts is taken care of, for example), and with a > > > >> good plugin system your application can probably use great blocks of > > > >> code you've developed before or somebody else has already developed. > > > > >> I only know CakePHP in the PHP world, so I'm not up to date what else > > > >> is on the market there, but CakePHP really seems to be a good > > > >> framework to start with. And what can't hurt, too, is to check out a > > > >> framework in another language from time to time... I can only suggest > > > >> you check out Ruby on Rails (Ruby), Django (Python) or Seaside > > > >> (Smalltalk). You can learn A LOT from such "other worlds". You will be > > > >> quite embarassed and feel like you have been "naive" before after > > > >> having done it. It's clearly an enlighting... Somehow it can be > > > >> compared to taking a virtual drug that opens your consciousness. LSD > > > >> for programmers! ;-) > > > > > Likewise, and I completely agree. > > > > > I did dive into CakePHP some years ago and ended up being baffled and > > > > confused because I didn't know anything about objects never mind MVC. > > > > > I got roped into doing a RoR project in a previous job, then I tackled > > > > CakePHP again and I never code without a framework anymore > > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Stephen > > > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://cakeqs.organdhelpothers > > > > with their CakePHP related questions. > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups > > > > "CakePHP" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this > > > > group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Using or not using PHP framework
Well put, Rumkuchen. One might also mention how much you will learn through the use of the framework, interaction with the community, and studying the contributed plugins. On Dec 4, 11:28 am, Rumkuchen wrote: > invest 100 hours learning overhead at the beginning -> then you are as > fast as without cake. > invest another 50 hours of hard experience -> then you are 10 times > faster. > It is hard at the beginning, but there is an enormous return of time > intested. > see it as an advantage, that the documentation is not 100% clear, some > parts could be better and so on and so on. > But: all this hurdles will help you understanding the framework. > > On 4 Dez., 03:55, Raj wrote: > > > hmmThanks so much for the great advice! > > > On Dec 3, 1:59 pm, Joshua Muheim wrote: > > > > Funny, I first learned Ruby On Rails, too, and then dove into CakePHP > > > (because at my current job they don't know anything about a > > > programming language called Ruby... sadly). I first had quite some > > > struggles because I was used to the comfort of RoR and really missed > > > some stuff in CakePHP, but now I have acclimated quite well and I have > > > to say that CakePHP is quite cool for the PHP language. :-) > > > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Stephen > > > wrote: > > > > >> I have stopped working without a framework in the background years > > > >> ago, and I only can recommend it. There's SO much stuff you don't even > > > >> know about that's handled by a good framework in the background (all > > > >> sorts of hacking-attempts is taken care of, for example), and with a > > > >> good plugin system your application can probably use great blocks of > > > >> code you've developed before or somebody else has already developed. > > > > >> I only know CakePHP in the PHP world, so I'm not up to date what else > > > >> is on the market there, but CakePHP really seems to be a good > > > >> framework to start with. And what can't hurt, too, is to check out a > > > >> framework in another language from time to time... I can only suggest > > > >> you check out Ruby on Rails (Ruby), Django (Python) or Seaside > > > >> (Smalltalk). You can learn A LOT from such "other worlds". You will be > > > >> quite embarassed and feel like you have been "naive" before after > > > >> having done it. It's clearly an enlighting... Somehow it can be > > > >> compared to taking a virtual drug that opens your consciousness. LSD > > > >> for programmers! ;-) > > > > > Likewise, and I completely agree. > > > > > I did dive into CakePHP some years ago and ended up being baffled and > > > > confused because I didn't know anything about objects never mind MVC. > > > > > I got roped into doing a RoR project in a previous job, then I tackled > > > > CakePHP again and I never code without a framework anymore > > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Stephen > > > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://cakeqs.organdhelpothers > > > > with their CakePHP related questions. > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups > > > > "CakePHP" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this > > > > group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Using or not using PHP framework
invest 100 hours learning overhead at the beginning -> then you are as fast as without cake. invest another 50 hours of hard experience -> then you are 10 times faster. It is hard at the beginning, but there is an enormous return of time intested. see it as an advantage, that the documentation is not 100% clear, some parts could be better and so on and so on. But: all this hurdles will help you understanding the framework. On 4 Dez., 03:55, Raj wrote: > hmmThanks so much for the great advice! > > On Dec 3, 1:59 pm, Joshua Muheim wrote: > > > Funny, I first learned Ruby On Rails, too, and then dove into CakePHP > > (because at my current job they don't know anything about a > > programming language called Ruby... sadly). I first had quite some > > struggles because I was used to the comfort of RoR and really missed > > some stuff in CakePHP, but now I have acclimated quite well and I have > > to say that CakePHP is quite cool for the PHP language. :-) > > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Stephen > > wrote: > > > >> I have stopped working without a framework in the background years > > >> ago, and I only can recommend it. There's SO much stuff you don't even > > >> know about that's handled by a good framework in the background (all > > >> sorts of hacking-attempts is taken care of, for example), and with a > > >> good plugin system your application can probably use great blocks of > > >> code you've developed before or somebody else has already developed. > > > >> I only know CakePHP in the PHP world, so I'm not up to date what else > > >> is on the market there, but CakePHP really seems to be a good > > >> framework to start with. And what can't hurt, too, is to check out a > > >> framework in another language from time to time... I can only suggest > > >> you check out Ruby on Rails (Ruby), Django (Python) or Seaside > > >> (Smalltalk). You can learn A LOT from such "other worlds". You will be > > >> quite embarassed and feel like you have been "naive" before after > > >> having done it. It's clearly an enlighting... Somehow it can be > > >> compared to taking a virtual drug that opens your consciousness. LSD > > >> for programmers! ;-) > > > > Likewise, and I completely agree. > > > > I did dive into CakePHP some years ago and ended up being baffled and > > > confused because I didn't know anything about objects never mind MVC. > > > > I got roped into doing a RoR project in a previous job, then I tackled > > > CakePHP again and I never code without a framework anymore > > > > Kind Regards > > > Stephen > > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://cakeqs.organdhelp others > > > with their CakePHP related questions. > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "CakePHP" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group > > > at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
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hmmThanks so much for the great advice! On Dec 3, 1:59 pm, Joshua Muheim wrote: > Funny, I first learned Ruby On Rails, too, and then dove into CakePHP > (because at my current job they don't know anything about a > programming language called Ruby... sadly). I first had quite some > struggles because I was used to the comfort of RoR and really missed > some stuff in CakePHP, but now I have acclimated quite well and I have > to say that CakePHP is quite cool for the PHP language. :-) > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Stephen > wrote: > > >> I have stopped working without a framework in the background years > >> ago, and I only can recommend it. There's SO much stuff you don't even > >> know about that's handled by a good framework in the background (all > >> sorts of hacking-attempts is taken care of, for example), and with a > >> good plugin system your application can probably use great blocks of > >> code you've developed before or somebody else has already developed. > > >> I only know CakePHP in the PHP world, so I'm not up to date what else > >> is on the market there, but CakePHP really seems to be a good > >> framework to start with. And what can't hurt, too, is to check out a > >> framework in another language from time to time... I can only suggest > >> you check out Ruby on Rails (Ruby), Django (Python) or Seaside > >> (Smalltalk). You can learn A LOT from such "other worlds". You will be > >> quite embarassed and feel like you have been "naive" before after > >> having done it. It's clearly an enlighting... Somehow it can be > >> compared to taking a virtual drug that opens your consciousness. LSD > >> for programmers! ;-) > > > Likewise, and I completely agree. > > > I did dive into CakePHP some years ago and ended up being baffled and > > confused because I didn't know anything about objects never mind MVC. > > > I got roped into doing a RoR project in a previous job, then I tackled > > CakePHP again and I never code without a framework anymore > > > Kind Regards > > Stephen > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://cakeqs.organd help others > > with their CakePHP related questions. > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "CakePHP" group. > > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
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Funny, I first learned Ruby On Rails, too, and then dove into CakePHP (because at my current job they don't know anything about a programming language called Ruby... sadly). I first had quite some struggles because I was used to the comfort of RoR and really missed some stuff in CakePHP, but now I have acclimated quite well and I have to say that CakePHP is quite cool for the PHP language. :-) On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Stephen wrote: > >> I have stopped working without a framework in the background years >> ago, and I only can recommend it. There's SO much stuff you don't even >> know about that's handled by a good framework in the background (all >> sorts of hacking-attempts is taken care of, for example), and with a >> good plugin system your application can probably use great blocks of >> code you've developed before or somebody else has already developed. >> >> I only know CakePHP in the PHP world, so I'm not up to date what else >> is on the market there, but CakePHP really seems to be a good >> framework to start with. And what can't hurt, too, is to check out a >> framework in another language from time to time... I can only suggest >> you check out Ruby on Rails (Ruby), Django (Python) or Seaside >> (Smalltalk). You can learn A LOT from such "other worlds". You will be >> quite embarassed and feel like you have been "naive" before after >> having done it. It's clearly an enlighting... Somehow it can be >> compared to taking a virtual drug that opens your consciousness. LSD >> for programmers! ;-) > > Likewise, and I completely agree. > > I did dive into CakePHP some years ago and ended up being baffled and > confused because I didn't know anything about objects never mind MVC. > > I got roped into doing a RoR project in a previous job, then I tackled > CakePHP again and I never code without a framework anymore > > Kind Regards > Stephen > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others > with their CakePHP related questions. > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "CakePHP" group. > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
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> I have stopped working without a framework in the background years > ago, and I only can recommend it. There's SO much stuff you don't even > know about that's handled by a good framework in the background (all > sorts of hacking-attempts is taken care of, for example), and with a > good plugin system your application can probably use great blocks of > code you've developed before or somebody else has already developed. > > I only know CakePHP in the PHP world, so I'm not up to date what else > is on the market there, but CakePHP really seems to be a good > framework to start with. And what can't hurt, too, is to check out a > framework in another language from time to time... I can only suggest > you check out Ruby on Rails (Ruby), Django (Python) or Seaside > (Smalltalk). You can learn A LOT from such "other worlds". You will be > quite embarassed and feel like you have been "naive" before after > having done it. It's clearly an enlighting... Somehow it can be > compared to taking a virtual drug that opens your consciousness. LSD > for programmers! ;-) > Likewise, and I completely agree. I did dive into CakePHP some years ago and ended up being baffled and confused because I didn't know anything about objects never mind MVC. I got roped into doing a RoR project in a previous job, then I tackled CakePHP again and I never code without a framework anymore Kind Regards Stephen Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Using or not using PHP framework
I have stopped working without a framework in the background years ago, and I only can recommend it. There's SO much stuff you don't even know about that's handled by a good framework in the background (all sorts of hacking-attempts is taken care of, for example), and with a good plugin system your application can probably use great blocks of code you've developed before or somebody else has already developed. I only know CakePHP in the PHP world, so I'm not up to date what else is on the market there, but CakePHP really seems to be a good framework to start with. And what can't hurt, too, is to check out a framework in another language from time to time... I can only suggest you check out Ruby on Rails (Ruby), Django (Python) or Seaside (Smalltalk). You can learn A LOT from such "other worlds". You will be quite embarassed and feel like you have been "naive" before after having done it. It's clearly an enlighting... Somehow it can be compared to taking a virtual drug that opens your consciousness. LSD for programmers! ;-) Give it a try, you won't regret it for sure! On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:31 PM, huoxito wrote: > I worked with standard, procedural php for a year, still do on the > company unfortunatly. But on the last three months I began to develop > in cakephp and mvc and it's being great, i'm stunned how far better > coded my projects can be with cakephp > > On 2 dez, 03:20, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit > wrote: >> I would thoroughly recommend/encourage/endorse making a contribution though. >> You'd normally pay for something this good, it'll be profitable for you and >> it will help keep it growing. >> >> Jeremy Burns >> Class Outfit >> >> jeremybu...@classoutfit.comhttp://www.classoutfit.com >> >> On 2 Dec 2010, at 06:18, ambati kiran wrote: >> >> > no. >> > Its free of cost. its open source. >> > cakephp.org is where you can download cakephp and to get good information. >> >> > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://cakeqs.organd help others >> > with their CakePHP related questions. >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "CakePHP" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group >> > athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others > with their CakePHP related questions. > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "CakePHP" group. > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Using or not using PHP framework
I worked with standard, procedural php for a year, still do on the company unfortunatly. But on the last three months I began to develop in cakephp and mvc and it's being great, i'm stunned how far better coded my projects can be with cakephp On 2 dez, 03:20, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit wrote: > I would thoroughly recommend/encourage/endorse making a contribution though. > You'd normally pay for something this good, it'll be profitable for you and > it will help keep it growing. > > Jeremy Burns > Class Outfit > > jeremybu...@classoutfit.comhttp://www.classoutfit.com > > On 2 Dec 2010, at 06:18, ambati kiran wrote: > > > no. > > Its free of cost. its open source. > > cakephp.org is where you can download cakephp and to get good information. > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://cakeqs.organd help others > > with their CakePHP related questions. > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "CakePHP" group. > > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Using or not using PHP framework
I would thoroughly recommend/encourage/endorse making a contribution though. You'd normally pay for something this good, it'll be profitable for you and it will help keep it growing. Jeremy Burns Class Outfit jeremybu...@classoutfit.com http://www.classoutfit.com On 2 Dec 2010, at 06:18, ambati kiran wrote: > no. > Its free of cost. its open source. > cakephp.org is where you can download cakephp and to get good information. > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others > with their CakePHP related questions. > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "CakePHP" group. > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Using or not using PHP framework
no. Its free of cost. its open source. cakephp.org is where you can download cakephp and to get good information. Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Using or not using PHP framework
is there any kind of fee I have to pay if I am using it for a commericial software ? and is there much to learn to get started with it..& where can I get the learning resources. Thanks so much.. Rajkumar On Dec 2, 6:26 am, Phang Mulianto wrote: > if you try with cake, you won't look back again cause once you got the tools > in you control..you rockkk !!! > > anyway, if you want to switch back from cake to traditional way of doing > things in php, the format is still php and your code can be used, but you > need some MVC clean up if not using cake, except if you do mvc in your other > coding standart . . . > > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Tilen Majerle wrote: > > > Your programming will be more clean and easily for editing if u use > > framework > > > yes, in cakephp are .ctp files for views, which means "cake template" > > > in finally...i will say that cakephp will really help u if u work on a > > large project... > > -- > > Tilen Majerle > >http://majerle.eu > > > 2010/12/1 Raj > > > What changes will my web application finally have if I use a cakephp > >> framework rather than not using it? > >> Can I later on change my application without the framework? Does the > >> file types & formats of my application application remain the same > >> whther or not I chose to use framework? > > >> I think the file type does gets changed..normally its .php but with > >> cakephp its something else > > >> Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://cakeqs.organd help > >> others with their CakePHP related questions. > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "CakePHP" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comFor > >> more options, visit this group at > >>http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en > > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions sitehttp://cakeqs.organd help > > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "CakePHP" group. > > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comFor > > more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Using or not using PHP framework
if you try with cake, you won't look back again cause once you got the tools in you control..you rockkk !!! anyway, if you want to switch back from cake to traditional way of doing things in php, the format is still php and your code can be used, but you need some MVC clean up if not using cake, except if you do mvc in your other coding standart . . . On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Tilen Majerle wrote: > Your programming will be more clean and easily for editing if u use > framework > > yes, in cakephp are .ctp files for views, which means "cake template" > > in finally...i will say that cakephp will really help u if u work on a > large project... > -- > Tilen Majerle > http://majerle.eu > > > > 2010/12/1 Raj > > What changes will my web application finally have if I use a cakephp >> framework rather than not using it? >> Can I later on change my application without the framework? Does the >> file types & formats of my application application remain the same >> whther or not I chose to use framework? >> >> I think the file type does gets changed..normally its .php but with >> cakephp its something else >> >> Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help >> others with their CakePHP related questions. >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "CakePHP" group. >> To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comFor >> more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en >> > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help > others with their CakePHP related questions. > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "CakePHP" group. > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comFor > more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
Re: Using or not using PHP framework
Your programming will be more clean and easily for editing if u use framework yes, in cakephp are .ctp files for views, which means "cake template" in finally...i will say that cakephp will really help u if u work on a large project... -- Tilen Majerle http://majerle.eu 2010/12/1 Raj > What changes will my web application finally have if I use a cakephp > framework rather than not using it? > Can I later on change my application without the framework? Does the > file types & formats of my application application remain the same > whther or not I chose to use framework? > > I think the file type does gets changed..normally its .php but with > cakephp its something else > > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others > with their CakePHP related questions. > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "CakePHP" group. > To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comFor > more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en > Check out the new CakePHP Questions site http://cakeqs.org and help others with their CakePHP related questions. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cake-php+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en
