Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-18 Thread Sumedha Rubasinghe
+1. This looks much more structured. Also addresses the concern mentioned
by Pradeepan above.
The term graphite will no longer be used with this structure?
/sumedha


On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.com wrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 As per the offline discussion we had with (you, Azeez, Isuru, Pradeep and
 others), we identified that the existing structure has its own complexities
 as illustrated by the Samisa.

 The proposal was to come up with a toplevel project called carbon and
 maintain the structure illustrated in the attached image.

 This change will be a simple SVN move. We will do this once the tomcat
 OSGification is applied to the carbon trunk.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 Graphite brings in complexities in comprehension - is it a new project,
 part of Carbon, extend Carbon etc etc

  Imagine telling a story along the lines of Carbon has this concpet
 called P2 and you install Graphite components onto Carbon products using
 feature manager component


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Supun Malinga sup...@wso2.com wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Azeez,

 Let me explain the rationale behind this orbit level change.

 If you look at the orbit project keeping Carbon aside, it can be
 considered as a third party project,  completely independent from Carbon
 and Graphite projects. The purpose of the orbit project is to produce OSGi
 bundles out of third party legacy jars.  So the orbit project is not
 related to Carbon or Graphite by any means. And also changes to these orbit
 projects is rare, unless we created them in a sloppy manner.  Ideally we
 can upload orbit projects and then developers do not need to build them at
 all.

 But, over the time we've missed used the orbit concept. e.g. we have
 orbit projects corresponding the dependencies projects. These orbits change
 frequently, since the corresponding dependencies change.

 By considering all these aspects, we came up with the following
 structure

 *orbit* (Consists of all the orbit projects which are used by both
 Carbon and Graphite projects.)

 *carbon*
 *|--* *dependencies*
*|-- orbit* (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the Carbon
 level dependencies.)

 *graphite*
 *|-- dependencies*
*|-- orbit*  (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Graphite level dependencies.)

 Please let us know your views on this.


 +1

 thanks,


 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote:

 In this model,. what happens to dependencies  orbits that are common
 to both Carbon  Graphite?


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 We have plans commit Pradeep's change in a hackathon mode. His
 changes is again platform wide change. We can get help from the AS and
 Jaggery team as well.

 Lets plan this during the todays meeting.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe 
 sam...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando 
 prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.com
  wrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.

 Thanks,
 Samisa...

 Samisa Abeysinghe
 VP Engineering
 WSO2 Inc.
 http://wso2.com
 http://wso2.org


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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-18 Thread Afkham Azeez
No graphite. There never was :-)

--
Afkham Azeez
Sent from my phone
On Feb 18, 2012 7:11 PM, Sumedha Rubasinghe sume...@wso2.com wrote:

 +1. This looks much more structured. Also addresses the concern mentioned
 by Pradeepan above.
 The term graphite will no longer be used with this structure?
 /sumedha


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 As per the offline discussion we had with (you, Azeez, Isuru, Pradeep and
 others), we identified that the existing structure has its own complexities
 as illustrated by the Samisa.

 The proposal was to come up with a toplevel project called carbon and
 maintain the structure illustrated in the attached image.

 This change will be a simple SVN move. We will do this once the tomcat
 OSGification is applied to the carbon trunk.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 Graphite brings in complexities in comprehension - is it a new project,
 part of Carbon, extend Carbon etc etc

  Imagine telling a story along the lines of Carbon has this concpet
 called P2 and you install Graphite components onto Carbon products using
 feature manager component


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Supun Malinga sup...@wso2.com wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Azeez,

 Let me explain the rationale behind this orbit level change.

 If you look at the orbit project keeping Carbon aside, it can be
 considered as a third party project,  completely independent from Carbon
 and Graphite projects. The purpose of the orbit project is to produce OSGi
 bundles out of third party legacy jars.  So the orbit project is not
 related to Carbon or Graphite by any means. And also changes to these 
 orbit
 projects is rare, unless we created them in a sloppy manner.  Ideally we
 can upload orbit projects and then developers do not need to build them at
 all.

 But, over the time we've missed used the orbit concept. e.g. we have
 orbit projects corresponding the dependencies projects. These orbits 
 change
 frequently, since the corresponding dependencies change.

 By considering all these aspects, we came up with the following
 structure

 *orbit* (Consists of all the orbit projects which are used by both
 Carbon and Graphite projects.)

 *carbon*
 *|--* *dependencies*
*|-- orbit* (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Carbon level dependencies.)

 *graphite*
 *|-- dependencies*
*|-- orbit*  (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Graphite level dependencies.)

 Please let us know your views on this.


 +1

 thanks,


 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote:

 In this model,. what happens to dependencies  orbits that are common
 to both Carbon  Graphite?


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sameera Jayasoma 
 same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 We have plans commit Pradeep's change in a hackathon mode. His
 changes is again platform wide change. We can get help from the AS and
 Jaggery team as well.

 Lets plan this during the todays meeting.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe 
 sam...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.com
  wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe 
 sam...@wso2.com wrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.

 Thanks,
 Samisa...

 Samisa Abeysinghe
 VP Engineering
 WSO2 Inc.
 http://wso2.com
 http://wso2.org


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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-18 Thread Amila Suriarachchi
Does the term platform correct here? we have Platform-mc to manage carbon
kernel (as given here) and in effect rest of the teams mange other parts
which has mentioned as platform here. IMHO we need to use terms in same
meaning every where.

thanks,
Amila.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.com wrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 As per the offline discussion we had with (you, Azeez, Isuru, Pradeep and
 others), we identified that the existing structure has its own complexities
 as illustrated by the Samisa.

 The proposal was to come up with a toplevel project called carbon and
 maintain the structure illustrated in the attached image.

 This change will be a simple SVN move. We will do this once the tomcat
 OSGification is applied to the carbon trunk.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 Graphite brings in complexities in comprehension - is it a new project,
 part of Carbon, extend Carbon etc etc

  Imagine telling a story along the lines of Carbon has this concpet
 called P2 and you install Graphite components onto Carbon products using
 feature manager component


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Supun Malinga sup...@wso2.com wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Azeez,

 Let me explain the rationale behind this orbit level change.

 If you look at the orbit project keeping Carbon aside, it can be
 considered as a third party project,  completely independent from Carbon
 and Graphite projects. The purpose of the orbit project is to produce OSGi
 bundles out of third party legacy jars.  So the orbit project is not
 related to Carbon or Graphite by any means. And also changes to these orbit
 projects is rare, unless we created them in a sloppy manner.  Ideally we
 can upload orbit projects and then developers do not need to build them at
 all.

 But, over the time we've missed used the orbit concept. e.g. we have
 orbit projects corresponding the dependencies projects. These orbits change
 frequently, since the corresponding dependencies change.

 By considering all these aspects, we came up with the following
 structure

 *orbit* (Consists of all the orbit projects which are used by both
 Carbon and Graphite projects.)

 *carbon*
 *|--* *dependencies*
*|-- orbit* (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the Carbon
 level dependencies.)

 *graphite*
 *|-- dependencies*
*|-- orbit*  (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Graphite level dependencies.)

 Please let us know your views on this.


 +1

 thanks,


 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote:

 In this model,. what happens to dependencies  orbits that are common
 to both Carbon  Graphite?


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 We have plans commit Pradeep's change in a hackathon mode. His
 changes is again platform wide change. We can get help from the AS and
 Jaggery team as well.

 Lets plan this during the todays meeting.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe 
 sam...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando 
 prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.com
  wrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.

 Thanks,
 Samisa...

 Samisa Abeysinghe
 VP Engineering
 WSO2 Inc.
 http://wso2.com
 http://wso2.org


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 **http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez*http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez
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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-18 Thread Senaka Fernando
Hi Sumedha, Pradeeban,

Well it looks much more structured, but it does not address the concern
from Pradeeban. With this structure, someone cannot in anyway do a single
checkout of the whole thing. But in anyway, that should never be a
requirement to anyone in the future. The reason to need to checkout the
whole of carbon is totally because carbon, components and everything
related was always treated as a single chunk and this is an approach to
cleanly separate those concerns. Someone working on component Y will use or
extend the kernel, and should be able to live in total independence. But
there can be situations that a bug in the kernel limits you from doing
something. That would be similar to any other bug in Axis2.

From a developer's perspective, while its important that we spend time and
get things done right, I'd like to to see us agreeing on something
soon, since every move means a new checkout and a new build, which seems to
be taking an age to get through with nasty issues like the missing Jarvana
repository.

Thanks,
Senaka.
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote:

 No graphite. There never was :-)

 --
 Afkham Azeez
 Sent from my phone
 On Feb 18, 2012 7:11 PM, Sumedha Rubasinghe sume...@wso2.com wrote:

 +1. This looks much more structured. Also addresses the concern mentioned
 by Pradeepan above.
 The term graphite will no longer be used with this structure?
 /sumedha


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 As per the offline discussion we had with (you, Azeez, Isuru, Pradeep
 and others), we identified that the existing structure has its own
 complexities as illustrated by the Samisa.

 The proposal was to come up with a toplevel project called carbon and
 maintain the structure illustrated in the attached image.

 This change will be a simple SVN move. We will do this once the tomcat
 OSGification is applied to the carbon trunk.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 Graphite brings in complexities in comprehension - is it a new project,
 part of Carbon, extend Carbon etc etc

  Imagine telling a story along the lines of Carbon has this concpet
 called P2 and you install Graphite components onto Carbon products using
 feature manager component


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Supun Malinga sup...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Azeez,

 Let me explain the rationale behind this orbit level change.

 If you look at the orbit project keeping Carbon aside, it can be
 considered as a third party project,  completely independent from Carbon
 and Graphite projects. The purpose of the orbit project is to produce 
 OSGi
 bundles out of third party legacy jars.  So the orbit project is not
 related to Carbon or Graphite by any means. And also changes to these 
 orbit
 projects is rare, unless we created them in a sloppy manner.  Ideally we
 can upload orbit projects and then developers do not need to build them 
 at
 all.

 But, over the time we've missed used the orbit concept. e.g. we have
 orbit projects corresponding the dependencies projects. These orbits 
 change
 frequently, since the corresponding dependencies change.

 By considering all these aspects, we came up with the following
 structure

 *orbit* (Consists of all the orbit projects which are used by both
 Carbon and Graphite projects.)

 *carbon*
 *|--* *dependencies*
*|-- orbit* (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Carbon level dependencies.)

 *graphite*
 *|-- dependencies*
*|-- orbit*  (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Graphite level dependencies.)

 Please let us know your views on this.


 +1

 thanks,


 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote:

 In this model,. what happens to dependencies  orbits that are
 common to both Carbon  Graphite?


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sameera Jayasoma 
 same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 We have plans commit Pradeep's change in a hackathon mode. His
 changes is again platform wide change. We can get help from the AS and
 Jaggery team as well.

 Lets plan this during the todays meeting.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.com
  wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando 
 prad...@wso2.com wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe 
 sam...@wso2.com wrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.

 Thanks,
 Samisa...

 Samisa Abeysinghe
 VP Engineering
 WSO2 Inc.
 http://wso2.com
 http://wso2.org


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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-18 Thread Amila Suriarachchi
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Senaka Fernando sen...@wso2.com wrote:

 Hi Sumedha, Pradeeban,

 Well it looks much more structured, but it does not address the concern
 from Pradeeban. With this structure, someone cannot in anyway do a single
 checkout of the whole thing. But in anyway, that should never be a
 requirement to anyone in the future. The reason to need to checkout the
 whole of carbon is totally because carbon, components and everything
 related was always treated as a single chunk and this is an approach to
 cleanly separate those concerns. Someone working on component Y will use or
 extend the kernel, and should be able to live in total independence. But
 there can be situations that a bug in the kernel limits you from doing
 something. That would be similar to any other bug in Axis2.


+1. I am also thinking in same direction.

I feel this re grouping is going backward. The idea of this re structuring
is to *think* orbit, core and others (currently named as graphite) are
independent things. So all of them should be in top level. As Senaka
pointed out in future people should be able to build graphite without
checking out core. i.e. it should point to a stable core version. IMHO this
checking out every thing is the old concept.

The other point is when looking at the re groping I got the feeling that we
have just bring the branching point to second level which was there in the
carbon level.

thanks,
Amila.





 From a developer's perspective, while its important that we spend time and
 get things done right, I'd like to to see us agreeing on something
 soon, since every move means a new checkout and a new build, which seems to
 be taking an age to get through with nasty issues like the missing Jarvana
 repository.

 Thanks,
 Senaka.
 On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote:

 No graphite. There never was :-)

 --
 Afkham Azeez
 Sent from my phone
 On Feb 18, 2012 7:11 PM, Sumedha Rubasinghe sume...@wso2.com wrote:

 +1. This looks much more structured. Also addresses the concern
 mentioned by Pradeepan above.
 The term graphite will no longer be used with this structure?
 /sumedha


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 As per the offline discussion we had with (you, Azeez, Isuru, Pradeep
 and others), we identified that the existing structure has its own
 complexities as illustrated by the Samisa.

 The proposal was to come up with a toplevel project called carbon and
 maintain the structure illustrated in the attached image.

 This change will be a simple SVN move. We will do this once the tomcat
 OSGification is applied to the carbon trunk.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 Graphite brings in complexities in comprehension - is it a new
 project, part of Carbon, extend Carbon etc etc

  Imagine telling a story along the lines of Carbon has this concpet
 called P2 and you install Graphite components onto Carbon products using
 feature manager component


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Supun Malinga sup...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Sameera Jayasoma 
 same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Azeez,

 Let me explain the rationale behind this orbit level change.

 If you look at the orbit project keeping Carbon aside, it can be
 considered as a third party project,  completely independent from Carbon
 and Graphite projects. The purpose of the orbit project is to produce 
 OSGi
 bundles out of third party legacy jars.  So the orbit project is not
 related to Carbon or Graphite by any means. And also changes to these 
 orbit
 projects is rare, unless we created them in a sloppy manner.  Ideally we
 can upload orbit projects and then developers do not need to build them 
 at
 all.

 But, over the time we've missed used the orbit concept. e.g. we have
 orbit projects corresponding the dependencies projects. These orbits 
 change
 frequently, since the corresponding dependencies change.

 By considering all these aspects, we came up with the following
 structure

 *orbit* (Consists of all the orbit projects which are used by both
 Carbon and Graphite projects.)

 *carbon*
 *|--* *dependencies*
*|-- orbit* (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Carbon level dependencies.)

 *graphite*
 *|-- dependencies*
*|-- orbit*  (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Graphite level dependencies.)

 Please let us know your views on this.


 +1

 thanks,


 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.comwrote:

 In this model,. what happens to dependencies  orbits that are
 common to both Carbon  Graphite?


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.com
  wrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 We have plans commit Pradeep's change in a hackathon mode. His
 changes is again platform wide change. We can get help from the AS and
 Jaggery team as well.

 Lets plan this during the todays 

Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-18 Thread Nuwan Bandara
HI

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Senaka Fernando sen...@wso2.com wrote:

 Hi Sumedha, Pradeeban,

 Well it looks much more structured, but it does not address the concern
 from Pradeeban. With this structure, someone cannot in anyway do a single
 checkout of the whole thing. But in anyway, that should never be a
 requirement to anyone in the future. The reason to need to checkout the
 whole of carbon is totally because carbon, components and everything
 related was always treated as a single chunk and this is an approach to
 cleanly separate those concerns. Someone working on component Y will use or
 extend the kernel, and should be able to live in total independence. But
 there can be situations that a bug in the kernel limits you from doing
 something. That would be similar to any other bug in Axis2.


+1, this is correct and IMO, this is what Sameera had suggested in his
mail. We have three top level projects; kernal, orbit and platform, each
has a separate parent pom, and each has a separate trunk and a branch, so
someone who is working on a platform component can checkout the platform
stuff, and work on it. he doesn't need to checkout the kernel. Same goes to
the kernal.

IMO, this structure is clean so +1, I also feel grouping all three of these
projects as Carbon also correct coz all three of these projects
are maintained  as segments of WSO2 Carbon.



 From a developer's perspective, while its important that we spend time and
 get things done right, I'd like to to see us agreeing on something
 soon, since every move means a new checkout and a new build, which seems to
 be taking an age to get through with nasty issues like the missing Jarvana
 repository.


+1, true lets finalize on one thing and do a restructure, else it causes
alot of valuable time. It took at least two days to get the stuff build
correctly after the restructure happened last weekend.

Regards,
/Nuwan



 Thanks,
 Senaka.
 On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote:

 No graphite. There never was :-)

 --
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 Sent from my phone
 On Feb 18, 2012 7:11 PM, Sumedha Rubasinghe sume...@wso2.com wrote:

 +1. This looks much more structured. Also addresses the concern
 mentioned by Pradeepan above.
 The term graphite will no longer be used with this structure?
 /sumedha


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 As per the offline discussion we had with (you, Azeez, Isuru, Pradeep
 and others), we identified that the existing structure has its own
 complexities as illustrated by the Samisa.

 The proposal was to come up with a toplevel project called carbon and
 maintain the structure illustrated in the attached image.

 This change will be a simple SVN move. We will do this once the tomcat
 OSGification is applied to the carbon trunk.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 Graphite brings in complexities in comprehension - is it a new
 project, part of Carbon, extend Carbon etc etc

  Imagine telling a story along the lines of Carbon has this concpet
 called P2 and you install Graphite components onto Carbon products using
 feature manager component


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Supun Malinga sup...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Sameera Jayasoma 
 same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Azeez,

 Let me explain the rationale behind this orbit level change.

 If you look at the orbit project keeping Carbon aside, it can be
 considered as a third party project,  completely independent from Carbon
 and Graphite projects. The purpose of the orbit project is to produce 
 OSGi
 bundles out of third party legacy jars.  So the orbit project is not
 related to Carbon or Graphite by any means. And also changes to these 
 orbit
 projects is rare, unless we created them in a sloppy manner.  Ideally we
 can upload orbit projects and then developers do not need to build them 
 at
 all.

 But, over the time we've missed used the orbit concept. e.g. we have
 orbit projects corresponding the dependencies projects. These orbits 
 change
 frequently, since the corresponding dependencies change.

 By considering all these aspects, we came up with the following
 structure

 *orbit* (Consists of all the orbit projects which are used by both
 Carbon and Graphite projects.)

 *carbon*
 *|--* *dependencies*
*|-- orbit* (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Carbon level dependencies.)

 *graphite*
 *|-- dependencies*
*|-- orbit*  (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Graphite level dependencies.)

 Please let us know your views on this.


 +1

 thanks,


 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.comwrote:

 In this model,. what happens to dependencies  orbits that are
 common to both Carbon  Graphite?


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.com
  wrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 We have plans commit Pradeep's change 

Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-13 Thread Samisa Abeysinghe
Graphite brings in complexities in comprehension - is it a new project,
part of Carbon, extend Carbon etc etc

Imagine telling a story along the lines of Carbon has this concpet called
P2 and you install Graphite components onto Carbon products using feature
manager component


On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Supun Malinga sup...@wso2.com wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Azeez,

 Let me explain the rationale behind this orbit level change.

 If you look at the orbit project keeping Carbon aside, it can be
 considered as a third party project,  completely independent from Carbon
 and Graphite projects. The purpose of the orbit project is to produce OSGi
 bundles out of third party legacy jars.  So the orbit project is not
 related to Carbon or Graphite by any means. And also changes to these orbit
 projects is rare, unless we created them in a sloppy manner.  Ideally we
 can upload orbit projects and then developers do not need to build them at
 all.

 But, over the time we've missed used the orbit concept. e.g. we have
 orbit projects corresponding the dependencies projects. These orbits change
 frequently, since the corresponding dependencies change.

 By considering all these aspects, we came up with the following structure

 *orbit* (Consists of all the orbit projects which are used by both
 Carbon and Graphite projects.)

 *carbon*
 *|--* *dependencies*
*|-- orbit* (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the Carbon
 level dependencies.)

 *graphite*
 *|-- dependencies*
*|-- orbit*  (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Graphite level dependencies.)

 Please let us know your views on this.


 +1

 thanks,


 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote:

 In this model,. what happens to dependencies  orbits that are common to
 both Carbon  Graphite?


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 We have plans commit Pradeep's change in a hackathon mode. His changes
 is again platform wide change. We can get help from the AS and Jaggery team
 as well.

 Lets plan this during the todays meeting.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe 
 sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.

 Thanks,
 Samisa...

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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-13 Thread Samisa Abeysinghe
This more like it.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.com wrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 As per the offline discussion we had with (you, Azeez, Isuru, Pradeep and
 others), we identified that the existing structure has its own complexities
 as illustrated by the Samisa.

 The proposal was to come up with a toplevel project called carbon and
 maintain the structure illustrated in the attached image.

 This change will be a simple SVN move. We will do this once the tomcat
 OSGification is applied to the carbon trunk.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 Graphite brings in complexities in comprehension - is it a new project,
 part of Carbon, extend Carbon etc etc

  Imagine telling a story along the lines of Carbon has this concpet
 called P2 and you install Graphite components onto Carbon products using
 feature manager component


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Supun Malinga sup...@wso2.com wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Azeez,

 Let me explain the rationale behind this orbit level change.

 If you look at the orbit project keeping Carbon aside, it can be
 considered as a third party project,  completely independent from Carbon
 and Graphite projects. The purpose of the orbit project is to produce OSGi
 bundles out of third party legacy jars.  So the orbit project is not
 related to Carbon or Graphite by any means. And also changes to these orbit
 projects is rare, unless we created them in a sloppy manner.  Ideally we
 can upload orbit projects and then developers do not need to build them at
 all.

 But, over the time we've missed used the orbit concept. e.g. we have
 orbit projects corresponding the dependencies projects. These orbits change
 frequently, since the corresponding dependencies change.

 By considering all these aspects, we came up with the following
 structure

 *orbit* (Consists of all the orbit projects which are used by both
 Carbon and Graphite projects.)

 *carbon*
 *|--* *dependencies*
*|-- orbit* (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the Carbon
 level dependencies.)

 *graphite*
 *|-- dependencies*
*|-- orbit*  (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Graphite level dependencies.)

 Please let us know your views on this.


 +1

 thanks,


 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote:

 In this model,. what happens to dependencies  orbits that are common
 to both Carbon  Graphite?


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 We have plans commit Pradeep's change in a hackathon mode. His
 changes is again platform wide change. We can get help from the AS and
 Jaggery team as well.

 Lets plan this during the todays meeting.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe 
 sam...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando 
 prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.com
  wrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.

 Thanks,
 Samisa...

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 VP Engineering
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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-13 Thread Sameera Jayasoma
kernel - This contains the carbon-core related stuff.
platform - This is the new graphite project. This is a simple svn mv.

I will write a detailed document explaining above projects as well as
branching strategy, support process etc.

Thanks,
Sameera.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.com wrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 As per the offline discussion we had with (you, Azeez, Isuru, Pradeep and
 others), we identified that the existing structure has its own complexities
 as illustrated by the Samisa.

 The proposal was to come up with a toplevel project called carbon and
 maintain the structure illustrated in the attached image.

 This change will be a simple SVN move. We will do this once the tomcat
 OSGification is applied to the carbon trunk.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 Graphite brings in complexities in comprehension - is it a new project,
 part of Carbon, extend Carbon etc etc

  Imagine telling a story along the lines of Carbon has this concpet
 called P2 and you install Graphite components onto Carbon products using
 feature manager component


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Supun Malinga sup...@wso2.com wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Azeez,

 Let me explain the rationale behind this orbit level change.

 If you look at the orbit project keeping Carbon aside, it can be
 considered as a third party project,  completely independent from Carbon
 and Graphite projects. The purpose of the orbit project is to produce OSGi
 bundles out of third party legacy jars.  So the orbit project is not
 related to Carbon or Graphite by any means. And also changes to these orbit
 projects is rare, unless we created them in a sloppy manner.  Ideally we
 can upload orbit projects and then developers do not need to build them at
 all.

 But, over the time we've missed used the orbit concept. e.g. we have
 orbit projects corresponding the dependencies projects. These orbits change
 frequently, since the corresponding dependencies change.

 By considering all these aspects, we came up with the following
 structure

 *orbit* (Consists of all the orbit projects which are used by both
 Carbon and Graphite projects.)

 *carbon*
 *|--* *dependencies*
*|-- orbit* (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the Carbon
 level dependencies.)

 *graphite*
 *|-- dependencies*
*|-- orbit*  (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Graphite level dependencies.)

 Please let us know your views on this.


 +1

 thanks,


 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote:

 In this model,. what happens to dependencies  orbits that are common
 to both Carbon  Graphite?


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 We have plans commit Pradeep's change in a hackathon mode. His
 changes is again platform wide change. We can get help from the AS and
 Jaggery team as well.

 Lets plan this during the todays meeting.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe 
 sam...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando 
 prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.com
  wrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.

 Thanks,
 Samisa...

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 VP Engineering
 WSO2 Inc.
 http://wso2.com
 http://wso2.org


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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-13 Thread Samisa Abeysinghe
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.com wrote:

 kernel - This contains the carbon-core related stuff.
 platform - This is the new graphite project. This is a simple svn mv.

 I will write a detailed document explaining above projects as well as
 branching strategy, support process etc.


We might want to wait till wider feedback on this.



 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 As per the offline discussion we had with (you, Azeez, Isuru, Pradeep and
 others), we identified that the existing structure has its own complexities
 as illustrated by the Samisa.

 The proposal was to come up with a toplevel project called carbon and
 maintain the structure illustrated in the attached image.

 This change will be a simple SVN move. We will do this once the tomcat
 OSGification is applied to the carbon trunk.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 Graphite brings in complexities in comprehension - is it a new project,
 part of Carbon, extend Carbon etc etc

  Imagine telling a story along the lines of Carbon has this concpet
 called P2 and you install Graphite components onto Carbon products using
 feature manager component


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Supun Malinga sup...@wso2.com wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Azeez,

 Let me explain the rationale behind this orbit level change.

 If you look at the orbit project keeping Carbon aside, it can be
 considered as a third party project,  completely independent from Carbon
 and Graphite projects. The purpose of the orbit project is to produce OSGi
 bundles out of third party legacy jars.  So the orbit project is not
 related to Carbon or Graphite by any means. And also changes to these 
 orbit
 projects is rare, unless we created them in a sloppy manner.  Ideally we
 can upload orbit projects and then developers do not need to build them at
 all.

 But, over the time we've missed used the orbit concept. e.g. we have
 orbit projects corresponding the dependencies projects. These orbits 
 change
 frequently, since the corresponding dependencies change.

 By considering all these aspects, we came up with the following
 structure

 *orbit* (Consists of all the orbit projects which are used by both
 Carbon and Graphite projects.)

 *carbon*
 *|--* *dependencies*
*|-- orbit* (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Carbon level dependencies.)

 *graphite*
 *|-- dependencies*
*|-- orbit*  (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Graphite level dependencies.)

 Please let us know your views on this.


 +1

 thanks,


 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote:

 In this model,. what happens to dependencies  orbits that are common
 to both Carbon  Graphite?


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sameera Jayasoma 
 same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 We have plans commit Pradeep's change in a hackathon mode. His
 changes is again platform wide change. We can get help from the AS and
 Jaggery team as well.

 Lets plan this during the todays meeting.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe 
 sam...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.com
  wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe 
 sam...@wso2.com wrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.

 Thanks,
 Samisa...

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 VP Engineering
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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-13 Thread Supun Malinga
Hi,

Also it would be a good idea to make sure code can be frozen from each sub
level(kernel,  orbit and platform).
AFAIU it has to be configured with svn.

thanks,

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.com wrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 As per the offline discussion we had with (you, Azeez, Isuru, Pradeep and
 others), we identified that the existing structure has its own complexities
 as illustrated by the Samisa.

 The proposal was to come up with a toplevel project called carbon and
 maintain the structure illustrated in the attached image.

 This change will be a simple SVN move. We will do this once the tomcat
 OSGification is applied to the carbon trunk.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 Graphite brings in complexities in comprehension - is it a new project,
 part of Carbon, extend Carbon etc etc

  Imagine telling a story along the lines of Carbon has this concpet
 called P2 and you install Graphite components onto Carbon products using
 feature manager component


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Supun Malinga sup...@wso2.com wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Azeez,

 Let me explain the rationale behind this orbit level change.

 If you look at the orbit project keeping Carbon aside, it can be
 considered as a third party project,  completely independent from Carbon
 and Graphite projects. The purpose of the orbit project is to produce OSGi
 bundles out of third party legacy jars.  So the orbit project is not
 related to Carbon or Graphite by any means. And also changes to these orbit
 projects is rare, unless we created them in a sloppy manner.  Ideally we
 can upload orbit projects and then developers do not need to build them at
 all.

 But, over the time we've missed used the orbit concept. e.g. we have
 orbit projects corresponding the dependencies projects. These orbits change
 frequently, since the corresponding dependencies change.

 By considering all these aspects, we came up with the following
 structure

 *orbit* (Consists of all the orbit projects which are used by both
 Carbon and Graphite projects.)

 *carbon*
 *|--* *dependencies*
*|-- orbit* (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the Carbon
 level dependencies.)

 *graphite*
 *|-- dependencies*
*|-- orbit*  (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the
 Graphite level dependencies.)

 Please let us know your views on this.


 +1

 thanks,


 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote:

 In this model,. what happens to dependencies  orbits that are common
 to both Carbon  Graphite?


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 We have plans commit Pradeep's change in a hackathon mode. His
 changes is again platform wide change. We can get help from the AS and
 Jaggery team as well.

 Lets plan this during the todays meeting.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe 
 sam...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando 
 prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.com
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 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.

 Thanks,
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[Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Sameera Jayasoma
Hi Devs,

We have now completed the SVN restructure effort. Please checkout orbit[1],
carbon[2] and graphite[3] svn repositories. Carefully go through the
following instructions before building.

1) Take fresh checkouts of the orbit[1], carbon[2] and graphite[3] svn
repositories. Avoid using the existing local carbon checkout, if any.
2) Backup your .m2 repository and start the build with a fresh one. This
step is optional.
3) Build orbit[1] project.
4) Build carbon[2] project.
5) Build graphite[3] project.

Apart from some test failures, build is stable now.

I would like to thank Pradeep, Dileepa and Chethiya for their help to get
this done during the past two days.

Thanks,
Sameera.

[1] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/orbit/
[2] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/carbon/
[3] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/graphite/

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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
Great job guys :). This will help tremendously as we go forward with Carbon
becoming more and more of a stable platform!

Sanjiva.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.com wrote:

 Hi Devs,

 We have now completed the SVN restructure effort. Please checkout
 orbit[1], carbon[2] and graphite[3] svn repositories. Carefully go through
 the following instructions before building.

 1) Take fresh checkouts of the orbit[1], carbon[2] and graphite[3] svn
 repositories. Avoid using the existing local carbon checkout, if any.
 2) Backup your .m2 repository and start the build with a fresh one. This
 step is optional.
 3) Build orbit[1] project.
 4) Build carbon[2] project.
 5) Build graphite[3] project.

 Apart from some test failures, build is stable now.

 I would like to thank Pradeep, Dileepa and Chethiya for their help to get
 this done during the past two days.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 [1] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/orbit/
 [2] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/carbon/
 [3] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/graphite/

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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
Hmmm is there a future step we need to take to make each of the repos into
separate projects? That is:

/repos/wso2/{orbit,carbon,graphite}/{trunk,branches,tags}

I guess without that we still have to branch etc. all together. I guess
this change is the one which is a lot more dramatic in terms of impact to
support etc..

Sanjiva.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@wso2.comwrote:

 Great job guys :). This will help tremendously as we go forward with
 Carbon becoming more and more of a stable platform!

 Sanjiva.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Devs,

 We have now completed the SVN restructure effort. Please checkout
 orbit[1], carbon[2] and graphite[3] svn repositories. Carefully go through
 the following instructions before building.

 1) Take fresh checkouts of the orbit[1], carbon[2] and graphite[3] svn
 repositories. Avoid using the existing local carbon checkout, if any.
 2) Backup your .m2 repository and start the build with a fresh one. This
 step is optional.
 3) Build orbit[1] project.
 4) Build carbon[2] project.
 5) Build graphite[3] project.

 Apart from some test failures, build is stable now.

 I would like to thank Pradeep, Dileepa and Chethiya for their help to get
 this done during the past two days.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 [1] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/orbit/
 [2] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/carbon/
 [3] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/graphite/

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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Pradeep Fernando
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.com wrote:

 Hi Devs,

 We have now completed the SVN restructure effort. Please checkout
 orbit[1], carbon[2] and graphite[3] svn repositories. Carefully go through
 the following instructions before building.

 1) Take fresh checkouts of the orbit[1], carbon[2] and graphite[3] svn
 repositories. Avoid using the existing local carbon checkout, if any.
 2) Backup your .m2 repository and start the build with a fresh one. This
 step is optional.
 3) Build orbit[1] project.
 4) Build carbon[2] project.
 5) Build graphite[3] project.

 Apart from some test failures, build is stable now.

 I would like to thank Pradeep, Dileepa and Chethiya for their help to get
 this done during the past two days.


and charith and shammi, for helping out with bamboo builds.
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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Pradeep Fernando
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.com wrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.

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2012-02-12 Thread Samisa Abeysinghe
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.com wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.

Thanks,
Samisa...

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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Pradeep Fernando
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.com wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.


 please have it 12 noon.


after * 12 noon


 thanks,
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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Pradeep Fernando
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.com wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.


please have it 12 noon.

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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Samisa Abeysinghe
Invite was sent last Friday

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.com wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.


 please have it 12 noon.


 after * 12 noon


 thanks,
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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Pradeep Fernando
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.com wrote:

 Invite was sent last Friday

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.


 please have it 12 noon.


 after * 12 noon o



my bad. sorry.


 thanks,
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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Sameera Jayasoma
Hi Sanjiva,

Following is model we've been following. We have top level trunk, branches
and tags repositories.

https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/
https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/branches/
https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/tags/

e.g. Previous Carbon project trunk, branch and tags were created as
following.

https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/carbon/
https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/branches/carbon/
https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/tags/carbon/

We thought of following the same structure for these new orbit and graphite
projects.

I understand your point.  Lets have a discussion on this.

Thanks,
Sameera.


On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:04 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hmmm is there a future step we need to take to make each of the repos into
 separate projects? That is:

 /repos/wso2/{orbit,carbon,graphite}/{trunk,branches,tags}

 I guess without that we still have to branch etc. all together. I guess
 this change is the one which is a lot more dramatic in terms of impact to
 support etc..

 Sanjiva.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@wso2.comwrote:

 Great job guys :). This will help tremendously as we go forward with
 Carbon becoming more and more of a stable platform!

 Sanjiva.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Devs,

 We have now completed the SVN restructure effort. Please checkout
 orbit[1], carbon[2] and graphite[3] svn repositories. Carefully go through
 the following instructions before building.

 1) Take fresh checkouts of the orbit[1], carbon[2] and graphite[3] svn
 repositories. Avoid using the existing local carbon checkout, if any.
 2) Backup your .m2 repository and start the build with a fresh one. This
 step is optional.
 3) Build orbit[1] project.
 4) Build carbon[2] project.
 5) Build graphite[3] project.

 Apart from some test failures, build is stable now.

 I would like to thank Pradeep, Dileepa and Chethiya for their help to
 get this done during the past two days.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 [1] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/orbit/
 [2] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/carbon/
 [3] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/graphite/

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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Sameera Jayasoma
Hi Samisa,

We have plans commit Pradeep's change in a hackathon mode. His changes is
again platform wide change. We can get help from the AS and Jaggery team as
well.

Lets plan this during the todays meeting.

Thanks,
Sameera.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.com wrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.

 Thanks,
 Samisa...

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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Afkham Azeez
In this model,. what happens to dependencies  orbits that are common to
both Carbon  Graphite?

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.com wrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 We have plans commit Pradeep's change in a hackathon mode. His changes is
 again platform wide change. We can get help from the AS and Jaggery team as
 well.

 Lets plan this during the todays meeting.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.

 Thanks,
 Samisa...

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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Kathiravelu Pradeeban
Currently [1] lists the below,

   - .. https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/
   - carbon/ https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/carbon/
   - commons/ https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/commons/
   - graphite/ https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/graphite/
   - interop/ https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/interop/
   - orbit/ https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/orbit/
   - ozone/ https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/ozone/
   - stratos/ https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/stratos/
   - tools/ https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/tools/
   - wsf/ https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/wsf/


It is somewhat misleading in the importance scale and a bit more difficult
in checking out.
Presence of ozone, stratos, and wsf here are somewhat confusing, at least
for me.
If someone wants to have a one-checkout of all from [1], he will be
checking out unrelated stuff like the above I mentioned.

We might need a bit of clean up in [1], I feel.

[1] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/

Regards,
Pradeeban.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.com wrote:

 Hi Devs,

 We have now completed the SVN restructure effort. Please checkout
 orbit[1], carbon[2] and graphite[3] svn repositories. Carefully go through
 the following instructions before building.

 1) Take fresh checkouts of the orbit[1], carbon[2] and graphite[3] svn
 repositories. Avoid using the existing local carbon checkout, if any.
 2) Backup your .m2 repository and start the build with a fresh one. This
 step is optional.
 3) Build orbit[1] project.
 4) Build carbon[2] project.
 5) Build graphite[3] project.

 Apart from some test failures, build is stable now.

 I would like to thank Pradeep, Dileepa and Chethiya for their help to get
 this done during the past two days.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 [1] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/orbit/
 [2] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/carbon/
 [3] https://svn.wso2.org/repos/wso2/trunk/graphite/

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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Sameera Jayasoma
Hi Azeez,

Let me explain the rationale behind this orbit level change.

If you look at the orbit project keeping Carbon aside, it can be considered
as a third party project,  completely independent from Carbon and Graphite
projects. The purpose of the orbit project is to produce OSGi bundles out
of third party legacy jars.  So the orbit project is not related to Carbon
or Graphite by any means. And also changes to these orbit projects is rare,
unless we created them in a sloppy manner.  Ideally we can upload orbit
projects and then developers do not need to build them at all.

But, over the time we've missed used the orbit concept. e.g. we have orbit
projects corresponding the dependencies projects. These orbits change
frequently, since the corresponding dependencies change.

By considering all these aspects, we came up with the following structure

*orbit* (Consists of all the orbit projects which are used by both Carbon
and Graphite projects.)

*carbon*
*|--* *dependencies*
   *|-- orbit* (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the Carbon
level dependencies.)

*graphite*
*|-- dependencies*
   *|-- orbit*  (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the Graphite
level dependencies.)

Please let us know your views on this.

Thanks,
Sameera.


On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote:

 In this model,. what happens to dependencies  orbits that are common to
 both Carbon  Graphite?


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 We have plans commit Pradeep's change in a hackathon mode. His changes is
 again platform wide change. We can get help from the AS and Jaggery team as
 well.

 Lets plan this during the todays meeting.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.

 Thanks,
 Samisa...

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 VP Engineering
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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Afkham Azeez
Sounds good.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.com wrote:

 Hi Azeez,

 Let me explain the rationale behind this orbit level change.

 If you look at the orbit project keeping Carbon aside, it can be
 considered as a third party project,  completely independent from Carbon
 and Graphite projects. The purpose of the orbit project is to produce OSGi
 bundles out of third party legacy jars.  So the orbit project is not
 related to Carbon or Graphite by any means. And also changes to these orbit
 projects is rare, unless we created them in a sloppy manner.  Ideally we
 can upload orbit projects and then developers do not need to build them at
 all.

 But, over the time we've missed used the orbit concept. e.g. we have orbit
 projects corresponding the dependencies projects. These orbits change
 frequently, since the corresponding dependencies change.

 By considering all these aspects, we came up with the following structure

 *orbit* (Consists of all the orbit projects which are used by both Carbon
 and Graphite projects.)

 *carbon*
 *|--* *dependencies*
*|-- orbit* (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the Carbon
 level dependencies.)

 *graphite*
 *|-- dependencies*
*|-- orbit*  (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the Graphite
 level dependencies.)

 Please let us know your views on this.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote:

 In this model,. what happens to dependencies  orbits that are common to
 both Carbon  Graphite?


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 We have plans commit Pradeep's change in a hackathon mode. His changes
 is again platform wide change. We can get help from the AS and Jaggery team
 as well.

 Lets plan this during the todays meeting.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.

 Thanks,
 Samisa...

 Samisa Abeysinghe
 VP Engineering
 WSO2 Inc.
 http://wso2.com
 http://wso2.org


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Re: [Carbon-dev] Orbit, Carbon and Graphite - New Face of Carbon SVN Repository.

2012-02-12 Thread Supun Malinga
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.com wrote:

 Hi Azeez,

 Let me explain the rationale behind this orbit level change.

 If you look at the orbit project keeping Carbon aside, it can be
 considered as a third party project,  completely independent from Carbon
 and Graphite projects. The purpose of the orbit project is to produce OSGi
 bundles out of third party legacy jars.  So the orbit project is not
 related to Carbon or Graphite by any means. And also changes to these orbit
 projects is rare, unless we created them in a sloppy manner.  Ideally we
 can upload orbit projects and then developers do not need to build them at
 all.

 But, over the time we've missed used the orbit concept. e.g. we have orbit
 projects corresponding the dependencies projects. These orbits change
 frequently, since the corresponding dependencies change.

 By considering all these aspects, we came up with the following structure

 *orbit* (Consists of all the orbit projects which are used by both Carbon
 and Graphite projects.)

 *carbon*
 *|--* *dependencies*
*|-- orbit* (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the Carbon
 level dependencies.)

 *graphite*
 *|-- dependencies*
*|-- orbit*  (These orbit projects produce bundles out of the Graphite
 level dependencies.)

 Please let us know your views on this.


+1

thanks,


 Thanks,
 Sameera.


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Afkham Azeez az...@wso2.com wrote:

 In this model,. what happens to dependencies  orbits that are common to
 both Carbon  Graphite?


 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Sameera Jayasoma same...@wso2.comwrote:

 Hi Samisa,

 We have plans commit Pradeep's change in a hackathon mode. His changes
 is again platform wide change. We can get help from the AS and Jaggery team
 as well.

 Lets plan this during the todays meeting.

 Thanks,
 Sameera.

 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Pradeep Fernando prad...@wso2.comwrote:



 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe sam...@wso2.comwrote:

 And do we have Tomcat OSGi stuff in there now?

 No, not yet. Plan is to add them within next two days.


 Note that both AS and Jaggery are blocked on this.

 We have arrange a meeting too to discuss these today.

 Thanks,
 Samisa...

 Samisa Abeysinghe
 VP Engineering
 WSO2 Inc.
 http://wso2.com
 http://wso2.org


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