Re: [Care2002-developers] Medical Usability: How to Kill Patients Through Bad Design
Lopo de Almeida wrote: Medical Usability: How to Kill Patients Through Bad Design A field study identified twenty-two ways that automated hospital systems can result in the wrong medication being dispensed to patients. Most of these flaws are classic usability problems that have been understood for decades. Usability is often a matter of life or death. In a fighter plane's user interface, for example, taking a second off the time required to operate targeting-and-firing systems offers pilots a dramatic edge in dog-fights. in http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20050411.html This is related to the other study from JAMA already mentioned but now from the point of view of usability. I think this is a very important text to take in consideration on Care2x development. 1, Lopo yes but we must never believe the computer practices medicine. systems are often scape goated for people not doing their jobs double checking, and assessing the patient. Even if it is the right drug the patients condition might change as such it is the humans responsibility to adjust for the change in condition not the computer. begin:vcard fn:Matthew Lottinger n:Lottinger;Matthew adr;dom:;;1001 S. Broad ;New Orleans;LA;70125 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:504-827-3624 version:2.1 end:vcard
[Care2002-developers] URGENT EVERY NEEDED FOR HELP HERE
Elpidio Latorilla wrote: -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: our developers in India, Sri Lanka, and other areas of Asia Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:25:02 -0600 From: matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Care2002-Developers-Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey everyone after hearing about the tidal wave that hit Sri Lanka, India, and Asia. We need to check those we have been working with. Senthilruban from Sri Lanka IMed me earlier he was safe 2000 people dead and they were expecting another tidal wave. Lets check on everyone and see what we can do for them in the comming weeks. Matt --- Elipido, URGENT get back with me. I want to make the disaster database active that we donated earlier this year. Need to put a team together to get this done. I think we should make it available to all our ASIAN developers. It is perfect for this disaster. We did calculations early on found this system was capable of collecting millions of records if the network was deployed properly. For members who have not seen the package it is at www.pcrx911.com, current user name matthew pass word atropine. PatientCareRx has been working on this for some time and we are going to give it away opensource through the GPL. Now I just need a programmer to finish off the barcode generation section, and additional servers. For now I will be available to host on my t-1. Granted it is a development package but it is needed now. Lets get it done. Matt begin:vcard fn:Matthew Lottinger n:Lottinger;Matthew adr;dom:;;1001 S. Broad ;New Orleans;LA;70125 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:504-827-3624 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [Care2002-developers] PCRX911 Disaster Recovery Database donated by Matthew
Elpidio Latorilla wrote: Good news! The PCRX911 disaster recovery database application was donated by Matthew Lottinger of the patientcare2x.com company. You can see an online demo of the package here: http://www.pcrx911.com The pcrx911 will be released as a Care2x plugin once it is packaged. And like the online demo it can also work as a stand alone application. Thanks a lot to Matthew and his crew. Elpidio --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 13. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers Just one thing the it is PatientCareRx lol. Matt begin:vcard fn:Matthew Lottinger n:Lottinger;Matthew adr;dom:;;1001 S. Broad ;New Orleans;LA;70125 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:504-827-3624 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [Care2002-developers] Fwd: web camera java control info
Elpidio Latorilla wrote: This can be done but only in a work-around way. a) Save the image as file in the local machine. b) Then follow the instructions here on uploading image to a patient encounter: http://ciclone.mfh.it/care2002/documentation/index.php/Uploading_Encounter_images Of course, it would be highly desirable to have a one-click functionality to upload a camera image to a patient encounter. If somebody needs it or who is interested to develop it for care2x, please inform us. thanks. elpidio On Tuesday 07 September 2004 01:26, Emir Prcic wrote: btw, how do you upload an image to the server that comes from a network camera (preview in browser, click and upload to a specific patients record during the registration) ??? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idP47alloc_id808opÌk ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers I must have one click functionality, or else my clients will find it too combersome. So I will add it later begin:vcard fn:Matthew Lottinger n:Lottinger;Matthew adr;dom:;;1001 S. Broad ;New Orleans;LA;70125 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:504-827-3624 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [Care2002-developers] Fwd: web camera java control info
Emir, Axis cameras are nice but steep priced for general documentation looking in the 75-125 range. My vision is that when documenting the care 2x user would open the database to where the image will be collect there by creating the relationship to the image and topic of that documentation. This method would assign the image name, date, time, and store the user id of who took the picture automatically. The user would then point the camera at the wound, bruise, etc. in the java applet the user would see the image the camera is collecting in preview form inorder to position the camera where needed. The user then would snap a high resolution still shot hit enter an the image would be collected. This would allow the user to then go back to the data base pull up images documenting the same injuring over time for comparison rapidly. Matt Emir Prcic wrote: Regarding the webcam check the www.axis.com. They have network cameras that are really cool and could help you with some of this. Also the cameras alone have software in java and activex. btw, how do you upload an image to the server that comes from a network camera (preview in browser, click and upload to a specific patients record during the registration) ??? Emir sumeet sawhney wrote: I am interested. Sumeet Sawhney --- Elpidio Latorilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, this is a mail from Matthew with suggestions for the webcam functionality of Care2x. To those interested to work further on this please notify us. elpidio -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: web camera java control info Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 08:43:37 -0500 From: matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elpidio Latorilla [EMAIL PROTECTED], Elpidio Latorilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. http://www.dmp.com.tw/app/webcamera/home_page_ref.htm 2. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enie=UTF-8q=web+camera+java+controlspell= 1 3. http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/research/embedded/other/www_conf/web_cam.html This may be how we control the camera in the care2x package. Note by doing this we cut 100's hours per year out of training personnel, difficulty, and actually aquiring the image. Matt --- begin:vcard fn:Matthew Lottinger n:Lottinger;Matthew adr;dom:;;1001 S. Broad ;New Orleans;LA;70125 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:504-827-3624 version:2.1 end:vcard __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5047alloc_id=10808op=click ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers Ok I will write the specs on how it should work. This is very important. Because the whole point here is to limit work load, increase effieciency, and make images a standard part of documentation. Phase one we need to get a standard USB web camera to work through java. Starting there I think the crew needs to research the hardware. The hardware should work on linux, windows, and mac so we have the greatest coverage. Specifications will be written by the end of the week. Matt begin:vcard fn:Matthew Lottinger n:Lottinger;Matthew adr;dom:;;1001 S. Broad ;New Orleans;LA;70125 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:504-827-3624 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [Care2002-developers] Fwd: web camera java control info
sumeet sawhney wrote: I am interested. Sumeet Sawhney --- Elpidio Latorilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, this is a mail from Matthew with suggestions for the webcam functionality of Care2x. To those interested to work further on this please notify us. elpidio -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: web camera java control info Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 08:43:37 -0500 From: matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elpidio Latorilla [EMAIL PROTECTED], Elpidio Latorilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. http://www.dmp.com.tw/app/webcamera/home_page_ref.htm 2. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enie=UTF-8q=web+camera+java+controlspell= 1 3. http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/research/embedded/other/www_conf/web_cam.html This may be how we control the camera in the care2x package. Note by doing this we cut 100's hours per year out of training personnel, difficulty, and actually aquiring the image. Matt --- begin:vcard fn:Matthew Lottinger n:Lottinger;Matthew adr;dom:;;1001 S. Broad ;New Orleans;LA;70125 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:504-827-3624 version:2.1 end:vcard __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5047alloc_id=10808op=click ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers Ok I will write the specs on how it should work. This is very important. Because the whole point here is to limit work load, increase effieciency, and make images a standard part of documentation. Phase one we need to get a standard USB web camera to work through java. Starting there I think the crew needs to research the hardware. The hardware should work on linux, windows, and mac so we have the greatest coverage. Specifications will be written by the end of the week. Matt begin:vcard fn:Matthew Lottinger n:Lottinger;Matthew adr;dom:;;1001 S. Broad ;New Orleans;LA;70125 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:504-827-3624 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [Care2002-developers] Credits and screenshots for pre-deployment 2.0.2
Elpidio Latorilla wrote: Hi all, Here are the screenshots and credits for the pre-deployment 2.0.2 that you can test now online at http://www.care2x.org/foundry/ 1) Java control panel for encounters' images http://ciclone.mfh.it/care2002/images/view.php?gid=9phid=12 Credits to Vinay Boocha for suggesting the ImageJ application. 2) Processing encounter images with ImageJ applet http://ciclone.mfh.it/care2002/images/view.php?gid=9phid=13 3) Alternate Menu design Javascript drop-down tree http://ciclone.mfh.it/care2002/images/view.php?gid=7phid=18 Credits to Mr. J. Mollin of HCCGmbh company for creating this menu design for their german custom version of Care2x. 4) Alternate menu design Big icons http://ciclone.mfh.it/care2002/images/view.php?gid=7phid=17 Thanks, Elpidio Latorilla --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idP47alloc_id808opÌk ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers Very very nice. Matt begin:vcard fn:Matthew Lottinger n:Lottinger;Matthew adr;dom:;;1001 S. Broad ;New Orleans;LA;70125 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:504-827-3624 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [Care2002-developers] Fwd: web camera java control info
Puvanendran SenthilRuban wrote: Really interesting. It will be more useful for telemedicine env. Matt, I would like to start work on this. Regards Senthil --- Elpidio Latorilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, this is a mail from Matthew with suggestions for the webcam functionality of Care2x. To those interested to work further on this please notify us. elpidio -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: web camera java control info Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 08:43:37 -0500 From: matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elpidio Latorilla [EMAIL PROTECTED], Elpidio Latorilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. http://www.dmp.com.tw/app/webcamera/home_page_ref.htm 2. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enie=UTF-8q=web+camera+java+controlspell= 1 3. http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/research/embedded/other/www_conf/web_cam.html This may be how we control the camera in the care2x package. Note by doing this we cut 100's hours per year out of training personnel, difficulty, and actually aquiring the image. Matt --- begin:vcard fn:Matthew Lottinger n:Lottinger;Matthew adr;dom:;;1001 S. Broad ;New Orleans;LA;70125 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:504-827-3624 version:2.1 end:vcard = P.Senthilruban B.Sc Eng. (Hons), MIEEE, AMABE. Senior Software Engineer Sri Lanka. TP: +94-777-667296 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5047alloc_id=10808op=click ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers after the forms are done, rapid charting by grid image is done, and we have happy customer that is next on the list. I want the elpido to get his guys to donate if possible the controls package. I have some really cool ideas for you to do with them will. send out line late next weeks. Lets just say the form will name and archive the data automatically, you will then use java to put together a comparative imaging program. This goes beyond just telemedicine, this is in daily use digital diaganostics. Note the rapid charting image solution is essential for my concept to work with this efficiently. Smile your not being left out, lol. Matt begin:vcard fn:Matthew Lottinger n:Lottinger;Matthew adr;dom:;;1001 S. Broad ;New Orleans;LA;70125 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:504-827-3624 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [Care2002-developers] AIDS ARV ART with Care2x
Roel De Meester wrote: I follow you , for doing research you should always collect as much data as possible and never throw away 'trivial' data in advance. But in case of HIV Therapy followup, the 10 institutes/centres that i know (and for which i would like to develop an ARV module) do not hospitalize the HIV infected people. The aim of the institutes is to follow up the patients, give them appropriate therapy and keep them from getting AIDS. Besides that they do clinical studies, collect data, do research etc... Mind.. I'm not a doctor. I'm a humble software developer who happens to know some people in these institutes and i helped them to setup a simple database from which they can query some data. I'd like to help them out by merging there current way of working into Care2x to take benefits from both. matthew wrote: Roel Remember this if you get too focused you will loose capibilities you will need a future period of time. Especially when you start tracking true stastices related to patient care. For instance it may seem superfical to track patient beds, equipment, but when you have to start looking for the cause of a VRE or MRSA out break in your aids patients you will ned this data because this equipment can become the means of spreading the desease from patient to patient. You should collect the data and trim how you present the data to the end user, but you should always collect the data inorder to leave your research options open. Matt Roel De Meester wrote: I've been thinking for weeks/months about converting Care2x into an EMR directed at clinics and medical centres doing longterm studies on HIV/AIDS patient. Last month a major report was released by Rhino.org.. [ *http://tinyurl.com/5kfaz* ] Main conclusions about Care2x to support ART Advantages: It runs on a modern web thin client web server platform and is all open source software. It will run on any hardware platform. It is scalable and can run large enterprises. Open source will let you maintain and modify the software to meet your needs. Disadvantages: This is a large software package with many functions that may not be necessary in smaller hospitals and may interfere with effective training and use. Although this software can be used for outpatient EMR, it is not designed for that use. The extra features have the potential to cause confusion when they are not used. This software will require modification to support ART. The main issue is that Care2x is development to process almost all information in a large scale clinic, while for ART the most important things are 1. Only Out Patients. 2. Main users are a)Administration[check-in], b)(Social)Nurses, c)Doctors, d)Bio-statisticians Will the Care2x PM solve these issues? What is the current status of this 'branch'? Where are we now on the timescale of http://www.care2x.org/img/timetable-pm1k.png Who are the main developers for this 'branch'? Is any-one interested in helping me to create the ART module? For your information: There were Some other Care2002 discussions involving the use of Care2x in AIDS -related situations [ *http://tinyurl.com/6v7l3 , **http://tinyurl.com/5atcc** ]. * Greetings Roel De Meester Roel in about 2 weeks we will be making available a new nursing admission chart form. I think you will find it useful. Let me know if you want me to send you some sample screen shots. Matt begin:vcard fn:Matthew Lottinger n:Lottinger;Matthew adr;dom:;;1001 S. Broad ;New Orleans;LA;70125 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:504-827-3624 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [Care2002-developers] Hello
Elpidio Latorilla wrote: Hi, there are dicom files which this viewer version cannot load. Unfortunately, the developers seem to have abandoned the development of this application. We are trying to find java programmers who can fix this. You can also try to use ImageJ from here. http://rsb.info.nih.gov/ij/ it is open source and can run as java applet. However, you need to use it as external application opening the dicom files in classic way. regards, elpidio On Friday 27 August 2004 07:45, Walter Nunez wrote: Hello everybody We have a problem with DICOM viewer (care2x_b201), it does not load the image. In the web page of developers describe the bug but there is no more information. Somebody could solve it? Thanks in advance WALTER ALFONSO NÚÑEZ RIVERA MD Attachment: 1 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idP47alloc_id808opÌk ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers Elpidio, This is not high on my list but lets keep it on my list. Matt begin:vcard fn:Matthew Lottinger n:Lottinger;Matthew adr;dom:;;1001 S. Broad ;New Orleans;LA;70125 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:504-827-3624 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [Care2002-developers] HIPAA Compliance...first conviction by US Gov.
Puvanendran SenthilRuban wrote: Hi, For Medical records, We need to have some techniques for privacy and security of medical records. Easiest option is as you mention we can have clear record functionality. It may be not recommended because we are going to lose history of records. Other options is special encryption for database. It is really important for current healthcare datbases. Another option is mixer of above two, After each cyle(can be per day/week) all records will clear from current database and move to encrpted database. That database can access with some special permissions or some securtiy measeure. Any comments or idea? Thanks Regards, P.Senthilruban --- Elpidio Latorilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, yes, sadly there will be always lawbreakers no matter how hard the penalty is :( Perhaps, what care2x can do in this matter is to improve its documentation of user activities to easily discover and track misuse and provide the authorities the needed data. Also, the ability to revert the data to the original clean status is highly desirable. elpidio On Wednesday 25 August 2004 05:40, Carson Ward wrote: Sadly this article demonstrates the necessity of the guidelines called HIPAA. In the US identity theft has begun to run rampant. As big a pain in the butt as the rules may be... not to mention the additional complication it does attempt to protect the patient, or at least provide additional legal avenues for the patient to recover damages caused by such activity. I want to further investigate the legal responsibility and ramifications, specifically to open source software, and its developers. The article in its original form can be found at http://www.hipaacomply.com/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers = P.Senthilruban B.Sc Eng. (Hons), MIEEE, AMABE. Senior Software Engineer Sri Lanka. TP: +94-777-667296 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers Working on it on my end we are looking at encryption, scared of clearing database due to the fact that we can not change or loose data. Matt begin:vcard fn:Matthew Lottinger n:Lottinger;Matthew adr;dom:;;1001 S. Broad ;New Orleans;LA;70125 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:504-827-3624 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [Care2002-developers] RE - hospital solutions??
Alexander Hölzel wrote: Hi all, I am watching oqo and other developments for more than 18 month now. Nice. But nothing new. No-one has ever seen a concrete peace of hardware. I suppose developers are still seeking founding to set up production line for this industry study item. Wearable computer (WC) is also not more than a design study. The only purpose is to make any announcement which might positively influence on stock quotes of the involved companies (infineon e.a.). They try to use the first mover advantage. Presumably there already are taking place heavy patenting activties in this area. May be industry will get blocked totally in these activities, so we will not see WC within the next 20 years. BTW: Who would like to wear a thick jacket, weighing several pounds inside the hospital ? BTW2: To my opinion wearable computing is total fake: It is so easy to attach some press-buttons to a piece of tissue. What is really state-of-the-art is to be seen and studied -as always and ever- in the military area: Did you guys see any soldiers equipped with wearable computers in the TV ?? (Yes they have wireless communication build into their helmets..but else ? Is this good for their health ?) To my opinion, it will take several years before we see real-world applications on the market for wearable computing. And, again: this race will be won by power technology more than by computing technology. I do not even know of any bluetooth-application which was officially certified for medical use. On the contrary: hospital managers tell, wireless technology is not even a serious issue in potentially life-threating environments, like hospitals. I am really surprised how easy-believing the community seems to be towards fairy tails from shareholder-industry. Cheers Alex - Original Message - From: Daniel Hinostroza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:36 PM Subject: [Care2002-developers] RE - hospital solutions?? Hi Manuel, personally I think Sony has a better product than OQO. Check the U70. It's still too big for the whitecoat pocket and pricey (2600 USD) but you can tell they're heading in the right direction. Also, far as I know the OQO isn't for sale yet as its a prototype... Kind regards, Daniel -- Manuel Montemayor wrote: This ultra personal computer would be our solution. Is powerful, portable, and versatile. with wireless Ethernet connection and Bluetooth. Not are selling for the moment but probably it cost´s $2,000.00 USD look at http://www.oqo.com Regards Manuel Montemayor -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Elpidio Latorilla Enviado el: Viernes, 30 de Julio de 2004 11:22 a.m. Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [Care2002-developers] interesting wearable mp3 player - hospital solutions?? That is very interesting. It is surely worth a try. Care2x with Bluetooth. Sounds medically compatible :-) elpidio On Thursday 29 July 2004 18:54, bear wrote: it would seem that some of these features would be easily exploited to make a comfortable, lightweight, wearable computer for in-hospital use. battery lasts 8 hours - a nice video headset would be a plus... http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=25600 323 bear --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by OSTG. Have you noticed the changes on Linux.com, ITManagersJournal and NewsForge in the past few weeks? Now, one more big change to announce. We are now OSTG- Open Source Technology Group. Come see the changes on the new OSTG site. www.ostg.com ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers I have tested some wearable computers for our projects most are not designed to be worn and people are getting into patent positions to prevent competition and growth. Many companies are sue happy if you disparage their products, so I will not name names. I will only say that the technology is there if people were to be serious about making the technology rather than hyping themselves at trade shows. Matt begin:vcard fn:Matthew Lottinger n:Lottinger;Matthew adr;dom:;;1001 S. Broad ;New Orleans;LA;70125 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:504-827-3624 version:2.1 end:vcard
RE: [Care2002-developers] Need to hire some programmers for our care2x development
Off shore work is fine. Reasonable will be based upon experience, productivity, and resume. We are a start up company, and will need programmers to aument our local programmer to accomplish specific tasks. I really would like to get together a pool of talent that I can hire on an hourly or project basis as needed. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Need to hire some programmers for our care2x development Well, what is 'reasonable' and where is it? Or can it be done off-shore? On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:22:46 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote We are moving foreward with our work to use care2x in the hospice and palliative care area need to hire some reasonibly priced programmers to assist in work. If anyone is interested please let me know. Elipido I would also like to possibly farm out some consulting work to you. Email me personally. Matt mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers ++ D.A.Dokter ** Wyldebeast Wunderliebe http://www.wyldebeast-wunderliebe.com/ Powered by unsavoury.net --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers --- This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings Training. Attend Black Hat Briefings Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
RE: [Care2002-developers] Fwd: secure prescription ordering
Will write a scheme and then let you guy brain storm it out. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jonathon Coombes Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 5:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Fwd: secure prescription ordering On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 08:41, Elpidio Latorilla wrote: issue was raised today by an employee of my customer. Can we integrate a digitial signiture into the prescription order process especially for level 2 narcotics. That will be sent automatically in and encrypted format to the customers pharamacy of choice. If so how would we do it. We would need to include in the script the physicians DEA number, a relationship to all narcotics or controlled substances that will create a log of scripts for review at the end of the day written by this physician to head off improper or forged scripts. I think this will be difficult to implement at an international level of use. The biggest problem will be that many pharmacies are not on the net constantly, or even at all in many cases. Secondly, various countries handle drug purchases differently. For example, we are currently working on integrating what is known as the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme in Care2x here in Australia. This scheme is basically to allow general population to get subsidies on many prescription drugs. There are strict rules and protocols to adhere to when filling out a prescription to allow this to happen and be tracked. I would think there are other similar situations in different countries around the world. I certainly think that securing the default ordering methods to use proper security with certificates etc would be an advantage no matter what your country of origin. Regards Jonathon --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Oracle 10g Get certified on the hottest thing ever to hit the market... Oracle 10g. Take an Oracle 10g class now, and we'll give you the exam FREE. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3149alloc_id=8166op=click ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Oracle 10g Get certified on the hottest thing ever to hit the market... Oracle 10g. Take an Oracle 10g class now, and we'll give you the exam FREE. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3149alloc_id=8166op=click ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
RE: [Care2002-developers] Proofing
??? confusion. Not good for long term health of project. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wilfried Goedert Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 8:53 AM To: Elpidio Latorilla Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Proofing -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: MD5 Guten Tag Elpidio Latorilla, Let follow the next point of your concern. point a) am Freitag, 14. Mai 2004 um 01:00 schrieben Sie: EL Hi Wilfried, EL On Thursday 13 May 2004 03:18, Wilfried Goedert wrote: I hope to make a lovely high flexible info system that offers some orientation inside care2x. I don't like to touch the main developement of care2x what is placed at care2x.net, care2x.com and care2x.org EL All these things are nice and respectable and surely helpful for dessiminating EL information. But it starts to create confusion because: EL a) EL Your domain says care2x but its website says care2x-plugins This is a historical thing :-) There was a discussion about normalizing the domains. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=6377870 It was a never ending story which content mangement system now to use. at this time i started with Adjem to test all this content management systems, we tried to put them into the CI of the historical page. Do you remember? :-) http://web.archive.org/web/20030623184458/www.care2x.com/modul.php?thispage= headlinesm_titel=NEWSm_item=Headlineslang=en We used phpnuke, postnuke, mambo and saw it is highly difficult to transfer them into a CI. At a time as others discussed what they like or not, we did a very time consumpting work of testing it all. Also we tried alternative designs. You saw them all and you had access to them. http://web9.gotodoc.com/gallery/album04/care2x_001 http://web9.gotodoc.com/gallery/album04/conference http://web9.gotodoc.com/gallery/album04/care2x In that time i prepared the idea of plugins and again. It was clear that plugins will be integrate into a CMS. With the plugin idea i tested typo3. You prepared the new care2x webpage but it was a decition that nowone have to know what you plan in the background. You told me that adjem made the design but that he personally don't know, that he have done it. See the screenshot we have done with our experiments, and see now the webdesign you choose. The white little corners show that you are using the screenshots, crop and scale it. http://care2x.net/care2x/index.php At a time you posted information and use white pages every one saw in the scrollbars the blue colors I showed Adjem the colors of the scrollbars and asked them to make a fast hack for the template you see now in care2x.de This is the status we have now at care2x.net, care2x.org, care2x.com 1. You like to use frames in the future. 2. Only HTML page - No Content Management System for the developers. 3. No rights for others to change every information themself. At this point i remember to your mail http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=6377870 The problem was for adjem: How to make a design in CI, if he only knows about the colors? All other things are secret. I asked you to give him a tip. You didn't agree. All is secret. I followed. Because i am aware. Typo3 is able to make with the same database thousands of different webpages. It is multilanguage ready. There are 2 Concepts how to make it. http://typo3.org/documentation/tips-tricks/multi-language-sites-in-typo3/ The design was the whole time only for demonstration, as long you say all is secret. Noone have to know. At the care2x.de account itself it is no more possible to use ftp. For any CMS update i only need to download the updates of the CMS set 3 links new and at this moment every typo3 account at my servers are have the update. If something happened i only need to set the links back. So if there is a need of ftp, every Typo3 account gets an external ftp outsourced to another place. Point a can be answered now: Because all you like to prepare is secret, plugins is a interim design at care2x.de It is easy to use the same database i build now up for the care2x developers resource for the plugin resource , the care2x-cd resource and others. This CMS is the Mercedes of the CMS. We don't need to drive a bicycle. Janis Joplin mercedes lyrics Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ? My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends. Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends, So Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ? If to use the CI and the logo of care2x the copyright holder have to declare in which way it is allowed to use the logo. Lopo Lencastre de Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Humaneasy Consulting) This is absolutely not clear for me at the moment. Otherwise the logo used at the care2x.de page have this license. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/1.0/ If lopo decide to use another copyright creative commons here are a lot of possibilities.
RE: [Care2002-developers] Care2x Immunization module
this weekend I will get with my doctors and see what is needed. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Elpidio Latorilla Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 11:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x Immunization module HI Matt, yes, that is a great idea. I am overloaded for now, but perhaps you can start the work on this. The rough outline of the work will be like this: a) add the fields to the care_encounter_immunization table b) add the inputs to the /modules/registration/gui_bridge/default/gui_input_show_immunization.php c) Rewrite the/modules/registration/show_immunization.php d) eventually rewrite some classes elpidio On Wednesday 12 May 2004 15:32, matthew wrote: have yet to test immunization module, just getting done with attack of termites in home. However, guys are you including a method of tracking lot, and batch of vacine given. This would be very important for materials management (so you can rotate your stock) and adverse reaction reporting? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: SourceForge.net Broadband Sign-up now for SourceForge Broadband and get the fastest 6.0/768 connection for only $19.95/mo for the first 3 months! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id%62alloc_ida84opÌk ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: SourceForge.net Broadband Sign-up now for SourceForge Broadband and get the fastest 6.0/768 connection for only $19.95/mo for the first 3 months! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id%62alloc_ida84op=click ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
RE: [Care2002-developers] discard intranet email module
did not hijack anything. I tried to upload x3 three never got it working. easier to send snail mail since I am a new father and dont have time figure out this thing today. Wilfried I am trying very hard to push Care2x in america, and am sharing data that I recieve as fast and freely as I can. If you have problem with my hijacking a thread or anything else let me know and I will decide accordingly whether Care2x is right for me. I neither have the time or the patience to deal with personality issues have a baby to raise and business to run. I appreciated the offer to upload I tried ealier and was going to try again tomorrow when I had time, but in the mean time I sent the CD. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wilfried Goedert Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:51 AM To: matthew Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] discard intranet email module Hallo matthew, you did again hijack a thread with your posting. Anyways it seems that you are not in need of the upload possibility. So i close the demo upload account. If you like to use it, send a private mail to me. you wrote: m had considered using it later but my heart is not tied to it. m Elpidio snail mail from louisiana on its way one cd, more cds to follow. -- Mit freundlichen Grüssen Wilfried Goedert mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Oracle 10g Get certified on the hottest thing ever to hit the market... Oracle 10g. Take an Oracle 10g class now, and we'll give you the exam FREE. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3149alloc_id=8166op=click ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Sleepycat Software Learn developer strategies Cisco, Motorola, Ericsson Lucent use to deliver higher performing products faster, at low TCO. http://www.sleepycat.com/telcomwpreg.php?From=osdnemail3 ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
RE: [Care2002-developers] discard intranet email module
Daniel, I think communication between doctors is essential also but we may need to decide what format this should occur in. Especially in light of the HIPPA laws in the states this has become my biggest headache. Some sort of tiered communciation structure with the patient having ultimate authority whom their record is shared with for consultation is what is needed and what the HIPPA law in the states tries to enforce. Elpido does it have to be a email or is some other type of encrypted messaging system possible, and could this be more efficient? Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Daniel Zilli Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] discard intranet email module Hi, I am thinking of discarding the intranet email module which does not use the standard format because it adds additional burden of maintaining it. It is wiser to use a web based emailer which uses standard email protocol and we will be freed from maintaining the module. My question to all. What do you think? Is anybody really using the intranet emailer module? This function that the doctors can change messages with each others is essential, but if the actual module is a problem, let's change! A web based email is a very good choose or maybe we can use too, something like instant messages applications which is easier to use. Just my opinions.. Bests Daniel Zilli --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Oracle 10g Get certified on the hottest thing ever to hit the market... Oracle 10g. Take an Oracle 10g class now, and we'll give you the exam FREE. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3149alloc_id=8166op=click ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Sleepycat Software Learn developer strategies Cisco, Motorola, Ericsson Lucent use to deliver higher performing products faster, at low TCO. http://www.sleepycat.com/telcomwpreg.php?From=osdnemail3 ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
RE: [Care2002-developers] discard intranet email module
had considered using it later but my heart is not tied to it. Elpidio snail mail from louisiana on its way one cd, more cds to follow. matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Elpidio Latorilla Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 1:32 AM To: care2x developers Subject: [Care2002-developers] discard intranet email module Hi all, I am thinking of discarding the intranet email module which does not use the standard format because it adds additional burden of maintaining it. It is wiser to use a web based emailer which uses standard email protocol and we will be freed from maintaining the module. My question to all. What do you think? Is anybody really using the intranet emailer module? thanks in advance for your opinion. elpidio --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Oracle 10g Get certified on the hottest thing ever to hit the market... Oracle 10g. Take an Oracle 10g class now, and we'll give you the exam FREE. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id149alloc_id66opLk ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Oracle 10g Get certified on the hottest thing ever to hit the market... Oracle 10g. Take an Oracle 10g class now, and we'll give you the exam FREE. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3149alloc_id=8166op=click ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
[Care2002-developers] What is wrong with the develer forumn??
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[Care2002-developers] THE HOSPICE offers a specialized program of supportive and palliative care for patients with life limiting illnesses
Elipido, see right number 13, we must develop a clear concise consent form for patients to get their wound monitoring pictures, and identification pictures. Matt bill of right.rtf Description: MS-Word document
[Care2002-developers] Gold mine fo data for hospice, pallative care, and home care admissions--data can also be used for admission assement at hospital
Ok guys here we go I am only going to key in the data necessary that is not currently in Care2x admissions form can be pre entered 1. Numbers 1. medicare (US) 2. Medicaid (US) 3. Patient state of residence (US) 2. Highest level of formal education 1. less than 8th grade 2. 9th to 12 grade 3. High school graduate/GED 4. Some college or technical degree 5. Graduate degree 6. Advance degree 3. Level of comprehension (MY PERSONAL THOUGHT WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK) 1. language of fluency 2. secondary language fluent or not fluent 3. mathematical understanding (important when trying to teach self medication if a patient has no comprehension of unit or cc how can they give their own insulin or other injectable?) 4. Religious affiliations--especially important when understanding what is permissible both in treatment and upon death. Can blood product be given, can medications from animal product be given, does burial have to occur same day, Autopsys are they permitted (if not generally how do you explain to family it is required by law), alcohol is it permissible both as base for medication or consumption. If a specifice tenant of the religion may cause difficulty in treatment the database should flag information for care giver to ask the patient or guardian respectfully. Then the care giver should enter the family's preference in a short narrative since many people deviate from our exact understanding of our religious overviews. 1. Muslim 2. Jew 3. Orthodox Jew 4. Christian 1. Jehovah's Witness 2. more to come 5. Other religions to follow 5. Consent for treatement signed Date_ (these documents need to be attached to file by upload through scanner) 1. Signed by 1. Patient 2. Guardian (scanned attachment of legal documents stating status of guardian for patients above age of consent 18 in US should be attached) 6. Living arrangement upon discharge (should in discharge summary) 1. Patient's own home 2. Home of family member/friend 3. Boarding home 4. assisted living/retirement center 5. hospital /acute care facility (in US wound care hospitals and such. over seas don't know how it works) 6. skilled nursing facilitie ( on step above normal nursing home) 7. long term care/nursing home 8. other___ 7. Additions to Patient's relationship status: 1. domestic partner 2. common law marriage (in some state in US couples living together are considered married after a certain number of years living together. Giving the spouse legal status concerning consent and guardianship) 3. separated 4. unknown 5. if in relationship name and address of spouse should be recorded 8. Does spouse/partner function as the primary care giver? radial button yes or no should be asked on admit and discharge 1. If no, name primary care giver 1. Relationship of caregiver to patient 1. spouse 2. natural child 3. step child 4. adopted child 5. sibling 6. parent 7. friend or neighbor 8. community/church volunteer 9. paid help 10. other_ 11. section for brief narrative should be provided 2. Household dynamics (discharge social worker form should only be firmly required by hospice or palliative care.) 1. Members of household shold provide for unlimited members in database 1. each members data should include 1. Name 2. age 3. Sex 4. relationship to patient 1. spouse 2. natural child 3. step child 4. adopted child 5. sibling 6. parent 7. friend or neighbor 8. community/church volunteer 9. paid help 10. other_ 11. section for brief narrative should be provided 2. Family members/significant others not a member not living with patient 1. each
[Care2002-developers] PatientCareRx has firmly gotten its first customer and intends to deploy care2x
I know it has been months since we last posted to the list, after much rangling and work we have gotten our first customer and intend to deploy care2x make modification for our needs then send those modification on the reset of the developers for consideration. My initial customer will operate a hospice and palitive care institute for home bound patients. We will treate this a vitual hospital which makes care2x a perfect solution. Additionally we will be adding home a home based telemedicine system to the mix in the very near future for both healthly and unhealthly patients creating a virtual housecall. Last we talked I wanted to make our PCRx911 disaster database available for possible integration but got side tracked when one of our few windows machines caught fire then got infected with a virus after rebuild. Please tell me the preferable method for making this available as tar or other file type for developers to see the back end. Will need to hire developer programmers to customize this program for our needs anyone interested please contact Matthew Lottinger asap. Some bug reports when I try to up date the currency it will not accept the US dollar into the data base, constantly having to enter passwords is their anyway to get the system to maintain state for say 15 at a time allowing someone logged to freely navigate during that time period, how do I change the look of the cite to say institute powered by Care2x., how do I generate barcodes for products in inventory, and fianlly on the barcode lable sheet what kind of lable sheet is that formatted for? Our company intends due to hippa compliance issures to integrated smart card identification into the system, and possibly biometric finger prints in the future. Nursing reports need a lot of work will begin on that today, and post format in the comming days this is necessary due to the way medicare and insurance is reimbursed here and our need for a digital diagnostic reports in the future. Matt --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470alloc_id=3638op=click ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
[Care2002-developers] re wellness clinic
James PatientCareRx, is very interested in this type of system for our telemedicine concepts for home based patients. Matt --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470alloc_id=3638op=click ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
[Care2002-developers] new branches
Ok Elipido the following new branchs may be necessary. The first problem is here in America Healthcare is very complex business in that cost versus reimbursement can easily destroy a healthcare institution. My customer needs to know the following information on an on going basis. cost versus reimbursment interms of profit. for instance the cost of treating a patient comprises of the follow sets of data that can be readily derived from the care2x patient record. 1. labor cost all expressed a cost based upon the hourly rate of the provider spent with the patient during each enconter 1. nursing 2. physical therapy 3. physician 4. nurse practicianer 2. Medical supply usage 1. disposable medical supply cost --when used in patients chart this cost should be immediately charged 2. Durable medical equiment 3. Liability insurance 4. Optional cost 1. travel cost for home care 5. reimbursement rate as set by medicare, medicaid, insurance, or fee for service Each days services should be expressed in the form of both a spread sheet and pie chart per patient in the system. With weekly, monthly, and yearly reports being presented in the line graph form. Further more each individual employee needs to be presented daily and weekly basis in the form of a pie chart based upon their types of reimbursement this breaks down like this for instance Revenue component 1. fee for services--patients paying out of pocket 2. medicare 3. medicaid 4. private insurance versus Cost component 1. supply usage 2. hourly rate 3. lost time travel, restocking, ect 4. paper work correction for reimbursemtent and other clerical time More financial information to be monitored to be provided next week. branch 2 a focused nursing admittance for not a narrative. The current format of Care2x leaves too much up to the nurse to document rather than prompting her for the necessary data for future digital diagnostic programs and minimum standard required of a chart. this fortunately can be rapidly corrected. Our company in conjunction with our customer will create this format in the next two weeks. Then we will need to employ some developers to code this. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470alloc_id=3638op=click ___ Care2002-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
