Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced
Could not say it any better Sent from my iPad On May 29, 2013, at 11:28 PM, William Bell b...@ucguerrilla.commailto:b...@ucguerrilla.com wrote: Brian, That was a great write up. Thanks -Bill -- William Bell, CCIE #38914 blog: http://ucguerrilla.com Follow me on twitter @ucguerrilla On May 30, 2013, at 1:11 AM, Brian Schear brian.sch...@vitalsite.commailto:brian.sch...@vitalsite.com wrote: My 2 cents. https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/thread/56611 From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.commailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com [mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.commailto:boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf OfWilliam Bell Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:28 PM To: somp...@gmail.commailto:somp...@gmail.com Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.commailto:ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced You can also post to Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/Cisco.Learning) or this thread on the Cisco learning community (https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/thread/56590?tstart=0). The learning community also has Google+ and other social media accounts. There is one team that manages most of the social media and another team that manages the learning community. I am sure they will listen and bubble up the input they receive. Volume counts. -Bill -- William Bell, CCIE #38914 blog: http://ucguerrilla.com twitter: @ucguerrilla On May 29, 2013, at 8:30 PM, Somphol Boonjing wrote: Bill, Thanks for the twitter account, I just send out my feedback too. I think another point that needs clarification I think is what guidelines is used to EOL the certification? Without transparency, the risk to have sudden and unexplained EOL announcement of any CCIE track can be very real. Without the guideline, no one would know in advance whether CCIE Collaboration will be retired and the new track is created as CCIE Synergy when CUCM is upgraded to version 14.1 in 3-5 years?What makes us think this is a one off? What if the guidelines clearly stated that if the material changes for 30%, the track will be retired and a new track will be created? (What if this is an implicit guideline on their port?)Will people still think it is worth the effort? The lack of transparency and guidelines on how the decision is reached make the CCIE cert easily one of the most risky investment of time and commitment. It is hard, required high level of commitment and can be short-lived without proper communication upfront. By the way, I don't think Cisco will lose money over this. Imaging a few year from now, CCIE Voice will be faded away and will totally be useless. All the job ads will be for CCIE Collaboration. Do you think more and more former CCIE Voice will reset the CCIE Collaboration lab knowing that the new material is not that much anyway. The exam however is tricky and picky, and on average it take some thing like 3.xx times to pass it. (OK, I will discount it to 2 attempts for former CCIE Voice) So assuming 50% of exiting CCIE Voice holders -- appx 1500 - 2000 of them takes this path, Cisco wouldn't be losing revenue do they? 2000 (50% of current CCIE Voice Holder) x $1500 (Lab cost) x 2 (On average, two attempts) = $6,000,000.- Mind you that $6 million is nothing for the company of its size, but the point is they won't be losing money. --Somphol On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:31 AM, William Bell b...@ucguerrilla.commailto:b...@ucguerrilla.com wrote: Yeah, it is kind of ironic that the collaboration feature is disabled in a collaborative community article on the IE Collaboration cert. BTW, the twitter handle you can use to get the message to a broader audience is @LearningAtCisco. I think it is a good idea to direct messages to these folks. Of course I recommend being polite. -Bill -- William Bell, CCIE #38914 blog: http://ucguerrilla.comhttp://ucguerrilla.com/ twitter: @ucguerrilla On May 29, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Martin Sloan wrote: I thought so too. I could see if it was getting obnoxious but all of the comments were pretty professional. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:12 PM, William Bell b...@ucguerrilla.commailto:b...@ucguerrilla.com wrote: They did disable commenting. That's interesting. -- William Bell, CCIE #38914 blog: http://ucguerrilla.comhttp://ucguerrilla.com/ twitter: @ucguerrilla On May 29, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Martin Sloan wrote: Is it just me or did they disable commenting on the v4 lab topics post? https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-20804 I wanted to commend William Bell on hitting the nail on the head and put my own 2 cents in. I'm able to place a comment in the equipment list post here: https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-20804but not the other. Does anyone have comment options on the exam topics page? On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Rrcrumm rrcr...@yahoo.commailto:rrcr...@yahoo.com wrote: Ben Ng comes to mind On May 29, 2013, at 7:28 AM,
[OSL | CCIE_Voice] TEHO BEST PRACTICE
Dear Experts, Guys have a very tricky question for you. Suppose you are asked to call from HQ (408) to 972 TEHO 1ST you will use remote gateway SB (972) and Second you will use SLRG Ok my question here If I will use the Remote gateway siteb What should I do my pattern , ANI AND DNIS manipulation? If I call 972 numbers from HQ via SB 972 Gateway Should I make my pattern 91972.XXX make my ANI 408XXX NATIONAL DNIS 7 Digits Subscriber or 10 DIGIT NATIONAL Please let me know the best practice Which one makes more sense to make ANI 10 DIGIT 408XX NATIONAL DNIS 7 DIGIT LOCAL or ANI 10 DIGIT 408XXX NATIONAL DNIS 10 DIGIT NATIONAL and prefix 1972 Thank you so much in advance. Hesham ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced
Agreed, nailed it! Jamie Parr CCIE #38633 (voice) Engineer - IT jamp...@cisco.com Phone: +44 20 8824 2641 Mobile: +44 7590622049 -Original Message- From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com [mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Meade Sent: 30 May 2013 07:42 To: William Bell Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced Could not say it any better Sent from my iPad On May 29, 2013, at 11:28 PM, William Bell b...@ucguerrilla.commailto:b...@ucguerrilla.com wrote: Brian, That was a great write up. Thanks -Bill -- William Bell, CCIE #38914 blog: http://ucguerrilla.com Follow me on twitter @ucguerrilla On May 30, 2013, at 1:11 AM, Brian Schear brian.sch...@vitalsite.commailto:brian.sch...@vitalsite.com wrote: My 2 cents. https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/thread/56611 From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.commailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com [mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.commailto:boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf OfWilliam Bell Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:28 PM To: somp...@gmail.commailto:somp...@gmail.com Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.commailto:ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced You can also post to Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/Cisco.Learning) or this thread on the Cisco learning community (https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/thread/56590?tstart=0). The learning community also has Google+ and other social media accounts. There is one team that manages most of the social media and another team that manages the learning community. I am sure they will listen and bubble up the input they receive. Volume counts. -Bill -- William Bell, CCIE #38914 blog: http://ucguerrilla.com twitter: @ucguerrilla On May 29, 2013, at 8:30 PM, Somphol Boonjing wrote: Bill, Thanks for the twitter account, I just send out my feedback too. I think another point that needs clarification I think is what guidelines is used to EOL the certification? Without transparency, the risk to have sudden and unexplained EOL announcement of any CCIE track can be very real. Without the guideline, no one would know in advance whether CCIE Collaboration will be retired and the new track is created as CCIE Synergy when CUCM is upgraded to version 14.1 in 3-5 years?What makes us think this is a one off? What if the guidelines clearly stated that if the material changes for 30%, the track will be retired and a new track will be created? (What if this is an implicit guideline on their port?)Will people still think it is worth the effort? The lack of transparency and guidelines on how the decision is reached make the CCIE cert easily one of the most risky investment of time and commitment. It is hard, required high level of commitment and can be short-lived without proper communication upfront. By the way, I don't think Cisco will lose money over this. Imaging a few year from now, CCIE Voice will be faded away and will totally be useless. All the job ads will be for CCIE Collaboration. Do you think more and more former CCIE Voice will reset the CCIE Collaboration lab knowing that the new material is not that much anyway. The exam however is tricky and picky, and on average it take some thing like 3.xx times to pass it. (OK, I will discount it to 2 attempts for former CCIE Voice) So assuming 50% of exiting CCIE Voice holders -- appx 1500 - 2000 of them takes this path, Cisco wouldn't be losing revenue do they? 2000 (50% of current CCIE Voice Holder) x $1500 (Lab cost) x 2 (On average, two attempts) = $6,000,000.- Mind you that $6 million is nothing for the company of its size, but the point is they won't be losing money. --Somphol On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:31 AM, William Bell b...@ucguerrilla.commailto:b...@ucguerrilla.com wrote: Yeah, it is kind of ironic that the collaboration feature is disabled in a collaborative community article on the IE Collaboration cert. BTW, the twitter handle you can use to get the message to a broader audience is @LearningAtCisco. I think it is a good idea to direct messages to these folks. Of course I recommend being polite. -Bill -- William Bell, CCIE #38914 blog: http://ucguerrilla.comhttp://ucguerrilla.com/ twitter: @ucguerrilla On May 29, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Martin Sloan wrote: I thought so too. I could see if it was getting obnoxious but all of the comments were pretty professional. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:12 PM, William Bell b...@ucguerrilla.commailto:b...@ucguerrilla.com wrote: They did disable commenting. That's interesting. -- William Bell, CCIE #38914 blog: http://ucguerrilla.comhttp://ucguerrilla.com/ twitter: @ucguerrilla On May 29, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Martin Sloan wrote: Is it just me or did they disable commenting on the v4 lab topics post? https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-20804
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] TEHO BEST PRACTICE
weather national or local, should be decided on gateway level. from HQ it should be national and from SB it should be local. regards, From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com [mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf Of Hesham Abdelkereem Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:30 PM To: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com Subject: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] TEHO BEST PRACTICE Dear Experts, Guys have a very tricky question for you. Suppose you are asked to call from HQ (408) to 972 TEHO 1ST you will use remote gateway SB (972) and Second you will use SLRG Ok my question here If I will use the Remote gateway siteb What should I do my pattern , ANI AND DNIS manipulation? If I call 972 numbers from HQ via SB 972 Gateway Should I make my pattern 91972.XXX make my ANI 408XXX NATIONAL DNIS 7 Digits Subscriber or 10 DIGIT NATIONAL Please let me know the best practice Which one makes more sense to make ANI 10 DIGIT 408XX NATIONAL DNIS 7 DIGIT LOCAL or ANI 10 DIGIT 408XXX NATIONAL DNIS 10 DIGIT NATIONAL and prefix 1972 Thank you so much in advance. Hesham ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced
Over 500 views and 10 comments overnight. I suspect passing along the link and trying to get as many comments as possible would be good. https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/thread/56611 Brian -Original Message- From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com [mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Parr (jamparr) Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:38 AM To: Leslie Meade; William Bell Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced Agreed, nailed it! Jamie Parr CCIE #38633 (voice) Engineer - IT jamp...@cisco.com Phone: +44 20 8824 2641 Mobile: +44 7590622049 -Original Message- From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com [mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Meade Sent: 30 May 2013 07:42 To: William Bell Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced Could not say it any better Sent from my iPad On May 29, 2013, at 11:28 PM, William Bell b...@ucguerrilla.commailto:b...@ucguerrilla.com wrote: Brian, That was a great write up. Thanks -Bill -- William Bell, CCIE #38914 blog: http://ucguerrilla.com Follow me on twitter @ucguerrilla On May 30, 2013, at 1:11 AM, Brian Schear brian.sch...@vitalsite.commailto:brian.sch...@vitalsite.com wrote: My 2 cents. https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/thread/56611 From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.commailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com [mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.commailto:boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf OfWilliam Bell Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:28 PM To: somp...@gmail.commailto:somp...@gmail.com Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.commailto:ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced You can also post to Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/Cisco.Learning) or this thread on the Cisco learning community (https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/thread/56590?tstart=0). The learning community also has Google+ and other social media accounts. There is one team that manages most of the social media and another team that manages the learning community. I am sure they will listen and bubble up the input they receive. Volume counts. -Bill -- William Bell, CCIE #38914 blog: http://ucguerrilla.com twitter: @ucguerrilla On May 29, 2013, at 8:30 PM, Somphol Boonjing wrote: Bill, Thanks for the twitter account, I just send out my feedback too. I think another point that needs clarification I think is what guidelines is used to EOL the certification? Without transparency, the risk to have sudden and unexplained EOL announcement of any CCIE track can be very real. Without the guideline, no one would know in advance whether CCIE Collaboration will be retired and the new track is created as CCIE Synergy when CUCM is upgraded to version 14.1 in 3-5 years?What makes us think this is a one off? What if the guidelines clearly stated that if the material changes for 30%, the track will be retired and a new track will be created? (What if this is an implicit guideline on their port?)Will people still think it is worth the effort? The lack of transparency and guidelines on how the decision is reached make the CCIE cert easily one of the most risky investment of time and commitment. It is hard, required high level of commitment and can be short-lived without proper communication upfront. By the way, I don't think Cisco will lose money over this. Imaging a few year from now, CCIE Voice will be faded away and will totally be useless. All the job ads will be for CCIE Collaboration. Do you think more and more former CCIE Voice will reset the CCIE Collaboration lab knowing that the new material is not that much anyway. The exam however is tricky and picky, and on average it take some thing like 3.xx times to pass it. (OK, I will discount it to 2 attempts for former CCIE Voice) So assuming 50% of exiting CCIE Voice holders -- appx 1500 - 2000 of them takes this path, Cisco wouldn't be losing revenue do they? 2000 (50% of current CCIE Voice Holder) x $1500 (Lab cost) x 2 (On average, two attempts) = $6,000,000.- Mind you that $6 million is nothing for the company of its size, but the point is they won't be losing money. --Somphol On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:31 AM, William Bell b...@ucguerrilla.commailto:b...@ucguerrilla.com wrote: Yeah, it is kind of ironic that the collaboration feature is disabled in a collaborative community article on the IE Collaboration cert. BTW, the twitter handle you can use to get the message to a broader audience is @LearningAtCisco. I think it is a good idea to direct messages to these folks. Of course I recommend being polite. -Bill -- William Bell, CCIE #38914 blog: http://ucguerrilla.comhttp://ucguerrilla.com/ twitter: @ucguerrilla On May 29, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Martin Sloan wrote: I thought so
[OSL | CCIE_Voice] Ccie voice lab version
Hi Would u telll which ccie voice lab version is latest. ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] Ccie voice lab version
What is version?? It's Collaboration Cheers! Have you had your breakfast, I don't feel like Lunch since yesterday.. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Dharambir kumar varma dharambi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Would u telll which ccie voice lab version is latest. ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced
Watching this video is ironic: Ben Ng at Cisco Live 2012: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/23271405 But you can hear where the idea for the new name came from. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Brian Schear brian.sch...@vitalsite.comwrote: It is Ben Ng. Found his linked in profile below which describes his position in Cisco. www.linkedin.com/pub/ben-ng/3/509/940 Profile on the Cisco site. https://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le31/communities/netpro/bios/benng.html Anyone have better contact info to send him respectful and thoughtful arguments on this? Brian -Original Message- From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com [mailto: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf Of Rrcrumm Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:11 AM To: Leslie Meade Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com; vma...@ipexpert.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced Ben Ng comes to mind On May 29, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Leslie Meade leslie.me...@lvs1.com wrote: The question is... what if anything can we do ? Where would we start.. Original message From: Mark Holloway m...@markholloway.com Date: To: Bill Lake whl...@gmail.com Cc: OSL Group ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com,Vik Malhi vma...@ipexpert.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced Granted we all know that taking any CCIE Written will allow us to remain CCIE's even if Voice is retired, but I think the frustration is Voice and Collaboration are not THAT far apart and no matter how you look at it, it all falls under Cisco Unified Communications, which is what the name of the new CCIE really should be anyway. The core of the Voice blueprint is still there. The Collaboration equipment list looks like a refresh of current products, not a forklift of one technology replacing another. In my opinion this was too harsh of a move to retire Voice and start over again with Collaboration. There are too many similarities between the two. On May 29, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Bill Lake whl...@gmail.commailto: whl...@gmail.com wrote: Ranting about it won't change anything. I read on line that when they retire your CCIE, you can still renew by passing a CCIE level written or lab. If this is true then you do not loose your CCIE just the voice tag. That seems to be a difficult pill to swallow but it would not be the first from my reading. Storage had this happen earlier this year as have several others. See here with the snippet. Now the second is a wiki so we would want official confirmation. https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-17226 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Career_Certifications#Retired_CCIE_ tracks Retired CCIE tracks Some previously awarded CCIE specializations have been retired by Cisco. These are: * WAN Switching CCIE (Essentially a specialisation focusing on the IGX/BPX switch products, which had been acquired as part of the StrataCom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StrataCom acquisition) * ISP Dial CCIE * SNA/IP Integration CCIE (aka CCIE Blue) * Design CCIE (NOTE: The CCIE Design and CCDE are completely different design tests in format and subjects examined) People who hold these now-retired certifications can remain CCIEs, provided they continue to take recertification exams. They now hold the title CCIE, rather than CCIE Security, or some other specialization. So if we can get official confirmation that we won't be stripped of CCIE if you pass the voice lab, it might be good, for those of us that have already passed we don't get a chance to change our minds for those that have yet to pass, this might be incentive to change your goal. Bill On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, m george m.george00...@gmail.com mailto:m.george00...@gmail.com wrote: Vik, A 2nd grader can pass RS/Sec/SP much much easier than Voice IE. Voice is still the toughest one i know some double IE's who couldn't pass Voice. If Cisco has lost faith in re-cert, that should apply to every track, not just Voice. Naturally, they should have renamed Certification to Voice/Collaboration or Voice/Video etc introduced new version. If they had to do this retiring thing, why didn't they do when they introduced V3 from V2 ? Old days of Call Manager based on Windows literally everything based on windows, Analog endpoints/VGs/ATAs etc. Retiring CCIE Voice makes no sense whatsoever whether be it from marketing point of view or any other. Why can't big buck makers at Cisco just rename a Cert rather than do something completely rubbish. With just one announcement, they have made many people lose faith in Certification process. I am sure Voice labs will be the most deserted labs until Feb 2014. At the end of day, we can only request Cisco to re-consider this decision. I hope folks concerned collaborate put their suggestions forward on Cisco Support
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced
Cisco: Provide a reasonable transition path from CCIE Voice to CCIE Collaboration - Sign the Petition! Please join this campaign: http://chn.ge/17A0zXE On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:01 PM, probert...@gmail.com probert...@gmail.comwrote: Watching this video is ironic: Ben Ng at Cisco Live 2012: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/23271405 But you can hear where the idea for the new name came from. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Brian Schear brian.sch...@vitalsite.comwrote: It is Ben Ng. Found his linked in profile below which describes his position in Cisco. www.linkedin.com/pub/ben-ng/3/509/940 Profile on the Cisco site. https://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le31/communities/netpro/bios/benng.html Anyone have better contact info to send him respectful and thoughtful arguments on this? Brian -Original Message- From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com [mailto: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf Of Rrcrumm Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:11 AM To: Leslie Meade Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com; vma...@ipexpert.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced Ben Ng comes to mind On May 29, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Leslie Meade leslie.me...@lvs1.com wrote: The question is... what if anything can we do ? Where would we start.. Original message From: Mark Holloway m...@markholloway.com Date: To: Bill Lake whl...@gmail.com Cc: OSL Group ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com,Vik Malhi vma...@ipexpert.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced Granted we all know that taking any CCIE Written will allow us to remain CCIE's even if Voice is retired, but I think the frustration is Voice and Collaboration are not THAT far apart and no matter how you look at it, it all falls under Cisco Unified Communications, which is what the name of the new CCIE really should be anyway. The core of the Voice blueprint is still there. The Collaboration equipment list looks like a refresh of current products, not a forklift of one technology replacing another. In my opinion this was too harsh of a move to retire Voice and start over again with Collaboration. There are too many similarities between the two. On May 29, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Bill Lake whl...@gmail.commailto: whl...@gmail.com wrote: Ranting about it won't change anything. I read on line that when they retire your CCIE, you can still renew by passing a CCIE level written or lab. If this is true then you do not loose your CCIE just the voice tag. That seems to be a difficult pill to swallow but it would not be the first from my reading. Storage had this happen earlier this year as have several others. See here with the snippet. Now the second is a wiki so we would want official confirmation. https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-17226 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Career_Certifications#Retired_CCIE_ tracks Retired CCIE tracks Some previously awarded CCIE specializations have been retired by Cisco. These are: * WAN Switching CCIE (Essentially a specialisation focusing on the IGX/BPX switch products, which had been acquired as part of the StrataCom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StrataCom acquisition) * ISP Dial CCIE * SNA/IP Integration CCIE (aka CCIE Blue) * Design CCIE (NOTE: The CCIE Design and CCDE are completely different design tests in format and subjects examined) People who hold these now-retired certifications can remain CCIEs, provided they continue to take recertification exams. They now hold the title CCIE, rather than CCIE Security, or some other specialization. So if we can get official confirmation that we won't be stripped of CCIE if you pass the voice lab, it might be good, for those of us that have already passed we don't get a chance to change our minds for those that have yet to pass, this might be incentive to change your goal. Bill On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, m george m.george00...@gmail.com mailto:m.george00...@gmail.com wrote: Vik, A 2nd grader can pass RS/Sec/SP much much easier than Voice IE. Voice is still the toughest one i know some double IE's who couldn't pass Voice. If Cisco has lost faith in re-cert, that should apply to every track, not just Voice. Naturally, they should have renamed Certification to Voice/Collaboration or Voice/Video etc introduced new version. If they had to do this retiring thing, why didn't they do when they introduced V3 from V2 ? Old days of Call Manager based on Windows literally everything based on windows, Analog endpoints/VGs/ATAs etc. Retiring CCIE Voice makes no sense whatsoever whether be it from marketing point of view or any other. Why can't big buck makers at Cisco just rename a Cert rather than do something completely rubbish. With just one announcement, they have made many people lose faith in Certification
[OSL | CCIE_Voice] Cisco: Provide a reasonable transition path from CCIE Voice to CCIE Collaboration
*Cisco: Provide a reasonable transition path from CCIE Voice to CCIE Collaboration *- Sign the Petition! For the interested candidates... Please join this campaign: http://chn.ge/17A0zXE I already did. Now its your turn. Initially shared by Martin Sloan (martinsloa...@gmail.com) -- Suresh Bhandari ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com
