Cisco: Provide a reasonable transition path from CCIE Voice to CCIE Collaboration - Sign the Petition!
Please join this campaign: http://chn.ge/17A0zXE On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:01 PM, probert...@gmail.com <probert...@gmail.com>wrote: > Watching this video is ironic: > Ben Ng at Cisco Live 2012: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/23271405 > > But you can hear where the idea for the new name came from. > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Brian Schear > <brian.sch...@vitalsite.com>wrote: > >> It is Ben Ng. Found his linked in profile below which describes his >> position in Cisco. >> >> www.linkedin.com/pub/ben-ng/3/509/940 >> >> Profile on the Cisco site. >> >> https://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le31/communities/netpro/bios/benng.html >> >> Anyone have better contact info to send him respectful and thoughtful >> arguments on this? >> >> Brian >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com [mailto: >> ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf Of Rrcrumm >> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:11 AM >> To: Leslie Meade >> Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com; vma...@ipexpert.com >> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced >> >> Ben Ng comes to mind >> >> On May 29, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Leslie Meade <leslie.me...@lvs1.com> wrote: >> >> > The question is... what if anything can we do ? >> > Where would we start.. >> > >> > >> > >> > -------- Original message -------- >> > From: Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com> >> > Date: >> > To: Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> >> > Cc: OSL Group <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>,Vik Malhi >> > <vma...@ipexpert.com> >> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially >> > announced >> > >> > >> > Granted we all know that taking any CCIE Written will allow us to >> remain CCIE's even if Voice is retired, but I think the frustration is >> Voice and Collaboration are not THAT far apart and no matter how you look >> at it, it all falls under Cisco Unified Communications, which is what the >> name of the new CCIE really should be anyway. The core of the Voice >> blueprint is still there. The Collaboration equipment list looks like a >> refresh of current products, not a forklift of one technology replacing >> another. >> > >> > In my opinion this was too harsh of a move to retire Voice and start >> over again with Collaboration. There are too many similarities between the >> two. >> > >> > >> > >> > On May 29, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com<mailto: >> whl...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Ranting about it won't change anything. I read on line that when they >> retire your CCIE, you can still renew by passing a CCIE level written or >> lab. If this is true then you do not loose your CCIE just the voice tag. >> > >> > That seems to be a difficult pill to swallow but it would not be the >> first from my reading. Storage had this happen earlier this year as have >> several others. See here with the snippet. Now the second is a wiki so we >> would want official confirmation. >> > >> > https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-17226 >> > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Career_Certifications#Retired_CCIE_ >> > tracks >> > Retired CCIE tracks >> > >> > Some previously awarded CCIE specializations have been retired by >> Cisco. These are: >> > >> > * WAN Switching CCIE (Essentially a specialisation focusing on the >> IGX/BPX switch products, which had been acquired as part of the StrataCom< >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StrataCom> acquisition) >> > * ISP Dial CCIE >> > * SNA/IP Integration CCIE (aka CCIE Blue) >> > * Design CCIE (NOTE: The CCIE Design and CCDE are completely >> different design tests in format and subjects examined) >> > >> > People who hold these now-retired certifications can remain CCIEs, >> provided they continue to take recertification exams. They now hold the >> title "CCIE", rather than CCIE Security, or some other specialization. >> > >> > So if we can get official confirmation that we won't be stripped of >> CCIE if you pass the voice lab, it might be good, for those of us that have >> already passed we don't get a chance to change our minds for those that >> have yet to pass, this might be incentive to change your goal. >> > >> > Bill >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, m george <m.george00...@gmail.com >> <mailto:m.george00...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > Vik, >> > >> > A 2nd grader can pass RS/Sec/SP much much easier than Voice IE. Voice >> is still the toughest one & i know some double IE's who couldn't pass >> Voice. If Cisco has lost faith in re-cert, that should apply to every >> track, not just Voice. >> > >> > Naturally, they should have renamed Certification to >> Voice/Collaboration or Voice/Video etc & introduced new version. If they >> had to do this retiring thing, why didn't they do when they introduced V3 >> from V2 ? Old days of Call Manager based on Windows & literally everything >> based on windows, Analog endpoints/VGs/ATAs etc. Retiring CCIE Voice makes >> no sense whatsoever whether be it from marketing point of view or any >> other. Why can't big buck makers at Cisco just rename a Cert rather than >> do something completely rubbish. >> > >> > With just one announcement, they have made many people lose faith in >> Certification process. I am sure Voice labs will be the most deserted labs >> until Feb 2014. >> > >> > At the end of day, we can only request Cisco to "re-consider" this >> decision. I hope folks concerned "collaborate" & put their suggestions >> forward on Cisco Support Community & direct to Cisco Certification teams so >> they "realize" what they are doing is NOT right. >> > >> > I will take some months for us to digest this news. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com >> <mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: >> > As I said before - I would think product marketing had something to say >> about this. Just my opinion. Why for the last 4 years has there been a lack >> of Microsoft products in the exam? Are Microsoft are not relevant or it >> Marketing bullying the content team? >> > >> > At the same time there are many folks out there with a voice IE who >> can't spell SIP. So what do you do about those folks? >> > >> > Historically Cisco have trusted their recertification process as a >> valid check and balance. >> > >> > It looks like they have lost a bit of faith in the written exams as a >> valid means to recertification- and that is no surprise to any of us as we >> all know a 2nd grader could pass one of those exams (and I don't condone >> the means through which that is possible). >> > >> > When the dust has settled I will be advising all existing voice IE's >> two things: look at this as an extra challenge that will reap extra reward >> and secondly - diversify. Collaboration expertise in the very literal sense >> cannot be confined to a monolithic single vendor application time test that >> is going to occur . I would have thought a true collaboration expert would >> (if not now, never) be encouraged to seek skills and experience from a >> wider spectrum of vendors. >> > >> > Rant over. >> > >> > On May 28, 2013, at 20:14, Hesham Abdelkereem <heshamcentr...@gmail.com >> <mailto:heshamcentr...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Yes its really frustrating what Cisco is doing to us. >> > Ok let me tell you this. >> > People now have invested a lot of money in pursuing their CCIE Voice >> > that includes (Verious Workbook fees , Rack Rentals , Home Lab building >> , travel expenses and Lab fees attempts for whatever times) So when people >> achieve CCIE Voice nowadays a year or two later it would be considered old >> and grandfathered. >> > Also , Cisco has released a new lab for 2 months while they are >> planning to abolish the whole syllabus. >> > Why they do that to us???? They already make money out of everything >> especially lab multiple times of lab attempts per each person. >> > >> > CCIE Voice achievers has to send cisco request for Migration without >> Lab test. >> > CCVP it was automatically migrated to CCNP Voice without any additional >> tests. >> > CCNA is migrated to CCNA R/S without any additional tests. >> > In case of Video part then I suggest whether they force CCIE Voice >> people to make CCNA VIDEO or CCNP Video if they will release or they make >> just a migration lab track that includes VIDEO stuff only for a cheaper fee >> something like $500. >> > >> > Thats same for MICROSOFT they abolished MCSE to change it to MCITP >> people usually just add 2 tracks to become full MCITP same when they >> migrate to new MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solutions Experts) there is only >> an upgrade track rather than taking the whole 5 tracks again. >> > >> > >> > Cisco obviously has to do something like that.It's really unfair >> retiring the whole cisco voice totally. >> > Guys to make the new Collaboration lab that would cost anyone over 50K >> to buy telepresence , X9XX routers stuff , 9971 Video Phones , TV's and >> etc.. >> > Even the rack rentals would be 5 times the old voice track as the >> equipment would be way more expensive. >> > >> > Seriously , We have to agree all of us from multiple different voice >> > study group to have a migration track to Collaboration please share >> > your thoughts guys [X] >> > >> > >> > On 28 May 2013 18:56, Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com<mailto: >> m...@markholloway.com>> wrote: >> > Bummer, I was really hoping CCIE Voice candidates would transition to >> Collaboration without any additional lab exams. >> > >> > On May 28, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto: >> vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: >> > >> >> For my initial reaction read here: >> >> >> >> http://bit.ly/12MNK5t >> >> >> >> >> >> Vik Malhi – CCIE #13890 >> >> Managing Partner - IPexpert, Inc. >> >> >> >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 ext 420<tel:%2B1.810.326.1444%20ext%20420> >> >> Fax: +1.810.454.0130<tel:%2B1.810.454.0130> >> >> Mailto: vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >> >> please visit www.ipexpert.com<http://www.ipexpert.com/> >> >> >> >> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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