[OSL | CCIE_Voice] CTI Application Server (TCP/2748) vs JTAPI Application Server (TCP/2789)

2013-11-02 Thread Somphol Boonjing
Could anyone help explain or refer me to the documentation that help me
understand the role of JTAPI Application Server (tcp/2789) a bit more?   I
am interested to learn about which application server use that particular
port TCP/2789? (CUC / UCCX / CUE / CUPC)

I know that both CUE and CUPC (Deskphone mode) and UCCX, all of them, talk
to CTI Application Server at port TCP/2748, but does JTAPI Application
Serer at TCP/2789 ever get used by any of those application server/client?

Note: I find it very confusing when people use rmjtapi account name (in
case of UCCX) or cuejtapi (in case of CUE) to talk to CTI Application
Server (TCP/2748) which really is a CTI Application Server and is not JTAPI
Application (TCP/2789).

REF:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/port/9_1_1/CUCM_BK_T2CA6EDE_00_tcp-port-usage-guide-91_chapter_01.htmlhttp://www.cisco.com/en/US/customer/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/port/9_1_1/CUCM_BK_T2CA6EDE_00_tcp-port-usage-guide-91_chapter_01.html
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/port/8_0_1/portlist801.html
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/port/7_0/CCM_7.0PortList.pdf

Cisco Unified Communications App

Unified CM

2748 / TCP

CTI application server

Cisco Unified Communications App

Unified CM

2749 / TCP

TLS connection between CTI applications (JTAPI/TSP) and CTIManager

Cisco Unified Communications App

Unified CM

2789 / TCP

JTAPI application server

See Also:

CUPC Port Usage -
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cupc/7_1/english/release/notes/cupc71.htmlhttp://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cisco.com%2Fen%2FUS%2Fcustomer%2Fdocs%2Fvoice_ip_comm%2Fcupc%2F7_1%2Fenglish%2Frelease%2Fnotes%2Fcupc71.htmlsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFrqEzczjzDW2L35ak1yNjFTQ0kPD4lofA
UCCX Port Usage -
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cust_contact/contact_center/crs/express_7_0/configuration/guide/uccx70prtuti.pdf
CUE Integration Guide that suggests TCP/2748 is used (and there is no
reference to TCP/2789 at all) -
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/voicesw/ps5520/products_configuration_example09186a0080289ef0.shtml
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Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CTI Application Server (TCP/2748) vs JTAPI Application Server (TCP/2789)

2013-11-02 Thread Pavan K
Jtapi/tapi interfaces are northbound interfaces which are on top of the CTI
layer.

Taking the example of UCCX, UCCX can sync with ucm and download jtapi
libraries from ccm. Its built in jtapi client uses those libraries to
communicate with CTI on the ucm server.

The term rmjtapi refers to the local credentials used by its jtapi client
to connect to CTI.

Hope that helps
On Nov 2, 2013 4:08 AM, Somphol Boonjing somp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Could anyone help explain or refer me to the documentation that help me
 understand the role of JTAPI Application Server (tcp/2789) a bit more?   I
 am interested to learn about which application server use that particular
 port TCP/2789? (CUC / UCCX / CUE / CUPC)

 I know that both CUE and CUPC (Deskphone mode) and UCCX, all of them, talk
 to CTI Application Server at port TCP/2748, but does JTAPI Application
 Serer at TCP/2789 ever get used by any of those application server/client?

 Note: I find it very confusing when people use rmjtapi account name (in
 case of UCCX) or cuejtapi (in case of CUE) to talk to CTI Application
 Server (TCP/2748) which really is a CTI Application Server and is not JTAPI
 Application (TCP/2789).

 REF:

 http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/port/9_1_1/CUCM_BK_T2CA6EDE_00_tcp-port-usage-guide-91_chapter_01.htmlhttp://www.cisco.com/en/US/customer/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/port/9_1_1/CUCM_BK_T2CA6EDE_00_tcp-port-usage-guide-91_chapter_01.html

 http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/port/8_0_1/portlist801.html

 http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/port/7_0/CCM_7.0PortList.pdf

 Cisco Unified Communications App

 Unified CM

 2748 / TCP

 CTI application server

 Cisco Unified Communications App

 Unified CM

 2749 / TCP

 TLS connection between CTI applications (JTAPI/TSP) and CTIManager

 Cisco Unified Communications App

 Unified CM

 2789 / TCP

 JTAPI application server

 See Also:

 CUPC Port Usage -
 http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cupc/7_1/english/release/notes/cupc71.htmlhttp://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cisco.com%2Fen%2FUS%2Fcustomer%2Fdocs%2Fvoice_ip_comm%2Fcupc%2F7_1%2Fenglish%2Frelease%2Fnotes%2Fcupc71.htmlsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFrqEzczjzDW2L35ak1yNjFTQ0kPD4lofA
 UCCX Port Usage -
 http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cust_contact/contact_center/crs/express_7_0/configuration/guide/uccx70prtuti.pdf
 CUE Integration Guide that suggests TCP/2748 is used (and there is no
 reference to TCP/2789 at all) -
 http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/voicesw/ps5520/products_configuration_example09186a0080289ef0.shtml



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Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CTI Application Server (TCP/2748) vs JTAPI Application Server (TCP/2789)

2013-11-02 Thread Somphol Boonjing
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Pavan K pav.c...@gmail.com wrote:

 Taking the example of UCCX, UCCX can sync with ucm and download jtapi
 libraries from ccm. Its built in jtapi client uses those libraries to
 communicate with CTI on the ucm server.

 The term rmjtapi refers to the local credentials used by its jtapi client
 to connect to CTI.


Hi Pavan,

Thanks for the information.   It is useful with respect to understand how
UCCX and UCM communicate.

Are we then dealing with the use of the JTAPI in two different contexts?

The first context is JTAPI as a layer on top on CTI, in which UCCX talks to
CUCM on port TCP/2748 -- the port that is labeled as CTI Application
Server.


*The second context, a more mysterious one, is the JTAPI Application
Server that is listening on CUCM on port TCP/2789.*
All Port Usage doco for CUPC / UCCX / CUE refers to TCP/2748 -- 1st meaning
of JTAPI.

Strictly in the 2nd context, I am still trying to find any documentation or
application that use the port to talk to CUCM.

There is one clue that I still don't think is accurate is UCCX 9.0.2 Port
Utilization guide (PDF page #12 -
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cust_contact/contact_center/crs/express_9_02/configuration/guide/UCCX_BK_P89325D5_00_port-utilization-guide-uccx-902.pdf
)

It said JTAPI client listens to TCP/2789 on UCCX utilizing QBE over TCP
to talk to CUCM on port TCP/2748.  (And the communication is bi-directional)

That would depict a tcp packet with SRC=TCP/2789 and DST=TCP/2748.   That's
not impossible, but even if that is true, still doesn't answer what JTAPI
Application Server on CUCM server is for and which application utilize that.

What is also important is to be reminded occasionally that UCCX and
CUPC (in Deskphone mode) and CUE (integrated with CUCM) do use the same
port to talk to CUCM, TCP/2748.

Regards,
--Somphol.
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