Re: [ccp4bb] density mod., NSC and software..

2011-12-21 Thread Debreczeni, Judit
DM is kind of past tense (unless you are dealing with multicrystal averaging) 
-- I'd use parrot or shelxe instead (both pretty fast and automated). NCS 
operators as input do not seem to be in fashion these days, so you might have 
to put up with heavy atoms or partial MR models...



I would not necessarily expect NCS related bits of the density to be fully 
identical.



JED.







From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Tommi 
Kajander
Sent: 20 December 2011 16:19
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] density mod., NSC and software..



Dear all,



Stupid question: if i do density modification (flattening and extension say 
from 6 to  4Å)

w/o averaging on a symmetrical, say dimer, would you expect the thing stays 
symmetric nevertheless?

(in particular if there is a strong peak in the NCS??) (seems to me it doenst 
necessarily...)



favorite programs for NCS averiging?? DM obviously, and solomon doesnt do it.  
Others that do it

(with out a PDB or atoms to derive it from, but rather operators)



Thanks,

Tommi



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Structural Biology and Biophysics
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Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac with TLS terminates early when occupancy changed

2011-12-21 Thread Debreczeni, Judit
Hi Krisztian,

I have seen refmac fall over in a similar situation (low-ish res,
partially floppy model) during TLS refinement. You could try to rescue
it by
- using fixed TLS parameters from a previous (successful) refinement
- setting initial B-values to a fixed value
- including the peptide in one of the larger TLS groups (whichever
chain/domain it happens to be bound to)

JED.




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-Original Message-
 From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of
 Krisztian Fodor
 Sent: 20 December 2011 13:57
 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
 Subject: [ccp4bb] Refmac with TLS terminates early when occupancy
 changed


   Hello Guys,

 I am trying to refine a 3.2 A complex structure with Refmac using TLS.
 It seems that I need to decrease the occupancy for a 38 amino acid
 peptide in the structure. However, after changing the occupancy to
 0.50,
 Refmac terminates after 4 rounds of TLS refinement.

 The only error message I can see is this towards the end of the log
 file:
 Problem
   xyz 6480  -1.4325285 -0.92473793  etc.

 And then it says that it is writing out coordinate files etc. which is
 obviously not happening, because the run was terminated too early.

 Is this a bug? Any suggestions?

 Thanks a lot,
 Krisztian


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[ccp4bb] MERGING THREE DATASETS

2011-12-21 Thread arka chakraborty
Hi all,

I have three datasets  with same space-group and identical cell dimensions
which I want to merge together. I remember that this was discussed in the
blog some time back. Nevertheless, I can use some help!

Thanks in advance,

ARKO

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Re: [ccp4bb] MERGING THREE DATASETS

2011-12-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson

Do you still have the unmerged files?
In that case just feed them to pointless and redo scala/etc..

If you only 3 merged data sets, you will have to use combat to convert 
the mtz files into an fake unmerged format then put them through 
pointless/scala to get relative scales and merge them..


Eleanor

On 12/21/2011 11:15 AM, arka chakraborty wrote:

Hi all,

I have three datasets  with same space-group and identical cell dimensions
which I want to merge together. I remember that this was discussed in the
blog some time back. Nevertheless, I can use some help!

Thanks in advance,

ARKO



Re: [ccp4bb] MERGING THREE DATASETS

2011-12-21 Thread Vellieux Frederic
There are several ways to skin a cat. If you have processed your data 
with XDS, XSCALE can also do the job (you have to think of the unit cell 
parameters of the merged data set though - the default may not 
necessarily what you wish to have), and I am certain other data frame 
processing suites will have this offered as an option somewhere... (I 
personally like all the statistics provided by the combat / scala route 
though).


Fred.

Eleanor Dodson wrote:

Do you still have the unmerged files?
In that case just feed them to pointless and redo scala/etc..

If you only 3 merged data sets, you will have to use combat to convert 
the mtz files into an fake unmerged format then put them through 
pointless/scala to get relative scales and merge them..


Eleanor

On 12/21/2011 11:15 AM, arka chakraborty wrote:

Hi all,

I have three datasets  with same space-group and identical cell 
dimensions
which I want to merge together. I remember that this was discussed in 
the

blog some time back. Nevertheless, I can use some help!

Thanks in advance,

ARKO






Re: [ccp4bb] MERGING THREE DATASETS

2011-12-21 Thread harry powell

Hi

I'd have to say that I *really* like using Phil Evan's new program  
Aimless rather than Scala - not sure if it's in CCP4 yet but it is  
available from his own ftp site for a number of platforms -


ftp://ftp.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/pub/pre

(I think).

In my hands it's faster and more reliable most of the time.

So my route from unmerged files would be pointless then aimless...

On 21 Dec 2011, at 11:29, Vellieux Frederic wrote:

There are several ways to skin a cat. If you have processed your  
data with XDS, XSCALE can also do the job (you have to think of the  
unit cell parameters of the merged data set though - the default  
may not necessarily what you wish to have), and I am certain other  
data frame processing suites will have this offered as an option  
somewhere... (I personally like all the statistics provided by the  
combat / scala route though).


Fred.

Eleanor Dodson wrote:

Do you still have the unmerged files?
In that case just feed them to pointless and redo scala/etc..

If you only 3 merged data sets, you will have to use combat to  
convert the mtz files into an fake unmerged format then put them  
through pointless/scala to get relative scales and merge them..


Eleanor

On 12/21/2011 11:15 AM, arka chakraborty wrote:

Hi all,

I have three datasets  with same space-group and identical cell  
dimensions
which I want to merge together. I remember that this was  
discussed in the

blog some time back. Nevertheless, I can use some help!

Thanks in advance,

ARKO






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MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology,
Hills Road,
Cambridge,
CB2 0QH


Re: [ccp4bb] density mod., NSC and software..

2011-12-21 Thread Tommi Kajander
Thanks judit, well one problem here would be that if you cant feed in 
operators, that you got say from the map correlations with
something like GETAX, and you only have two sites (one per monomer) thats not 
enough to define a two-fold... same goes
of course if you dont have a model (because you would need to get the averaging 
to work first... )

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Structural Biology and Biophysics
Institute of Biotechnology
University of Helsinki
Viikinkaari 1
(P.O. Box 65)
00014 Helsinki
Finland
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tommi.kajan...@helsinki.fi

On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Debreczeni, Judit wrote:

 
 DM is kind of past tense (unless you are dealing with multicrystal averaging) 
 -- I'd use parrot or shelxe instead (both pretty fast and automated). NCS 
 operators as input do not seem to be in fashion these days, so you might have 
 to put up with heavy atoms or partial MR models…
  
 I would not necessarily expect NCS related bits of the density to be fully 
 identical.
  
 JED.
  
  
  
 
 
 
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 From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Tommi 
 Kajander
 Sent: 20 December 2011 16:19
 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
 Subject: [ccp4bb] density mod., NSC and software..
  
 Dear all, 
  
 Stupid question: if i do density modification (flattening and extension say 
 from 6 to  4Å)
 w/o averaging on a symmetrical, say dimer, would you expect the thing stays 
 symmetric nevertheless?
 (in particular if there is a strong peak in the NCS??) (seems to me it doenst 
 necessarily...)
  
 favorite programs for NCS averiging?? DM obviously, and solomon doesnt do it. 
  Others that do it
 (with out a PDB or atoms to derive it from, but rather operators)
  
 Thanks,
 Tommi
  
 Tommi Kajander, Ph.D., Docent
 Structural Biology and Biophysics
 Institute of Biotechnology
 University of Helsinki
 Viikinkaari 1
 (P.O. Box 65)
 00014 Helsinki
 Finland
 p. +358-9-19158903
 tommi.kajan...@helsinki.fi
  
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



Re: [ccp4bb] bias removal server

2011-12-21 Thread Rajesh kumar

Thanks for the clarification. Thanksrajesh

From: hofkristall...@gmail.com
To: ccp4...@hotmail.com; CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] bias removal server
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:41:10 -0800



I am not sure this service is maintained anymore, but given that with automated 
model building pretty much the same can be achieved nowadays (pus benefit of a 
model), the ARP/wARP server in Hamburg is a well-working and up-to-date 
alternative.  BR From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On 
Behalf Of Rajesh kumar
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 10:19 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] bias removal server 
Dear All, Any of you know if the Bias removal server at  http://tuna.tamu.edu/ 
works?My friend says that 'may be the server doesn't exist' as he never heard 
back from them about login info. ThanksRajesh   
 

[ccp4bb] How to patch CCP4 cif2mtz so it can handle PDB entries with Map Coefficients

2011-12-21 Thread Oliver Smart
Some recently released PDB entries (for instance 3u57) have structure 
factor files that contain map coefficients. We think this is a really good 
idea because it means that final maps as interpreted by the 
crystallographer will then be archived and available.


But there is a problem converting such files to mtz with the current 
cif2mtz program; indeed we raised this on the bb in September:

https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=CCP4BB;6be4044e.1109

To get around this we produced a quick-fix patch for cif2mtz that is 
available at:


http://www.globalphasing.com/buster/wiki/index.cgi?CCP4cif2mtzPatchToHandleMapCoefficients


Regards,

Oliver

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[ccp4bb] Making fixes to cif2mtz easier

2011-12-21 Thread Thomas Womack
The patch in 
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=CCP4BB;325e1870.1112 solves the 
problem with 3u57.

A few days ago I read the interesting paper 
http://journals.iucr.org/d/issues/2011/01/00/dz5216/dz5216bdy.html referring to 
a crystal structure containing a diselenide bond; I downloaded the model and 
structure factors for 2xsk, and cif2mtz refused to convert them.

This turns out to be because the Bijvoet pairs measured in the header were 
described as

 _refln.pdbx_F_meas_plus
 _refln.pdbx_F_meas_plus_sigma
 _refln.pdbx_F_meas_minus
 _refln.pdbx_F_meas_minus_sigma

while both the ccp4-6.2.0/lib/data/cif_mm.dic and the 
http://mmcif.pdb.org/dictionaries/ascii/mmcif_pdbx_v40.dic dictionaries require 
these to be

 _refln.pdbx_F_plus
 _refln.pdbx_F_plus_sigma
 _refln.pdbx_F_minus
 _refln.pdbx_F_minus_sigma

It was trivial to fix the problem with a text editor (and this is a case where 
the right answer is to get wwpdb to fix the sf.cif file at their end), but this 
led to some discussion at Global Phasing as to what could be done to make 
cif2mtz handle sf.cif files with unusual data items without requiring modifying 
and recompiling the source code each time.

A summary of where we got to is at 

http://www.globalphasing.com/buster/wiki/index.cgi?CCP4cif2mtzImproveIdeas

I would appreciate any comments on how to proceed in this direction.

Tom

Re: [ccp4bb] How to patch CCP4 cif2mtz so it can handle PDB entries with Map Coefficients

2011-12-21 Thread martyn . winn
Thanks for this. I have recently updated the CCP4-supplied dictionary to 
include standard mmCIF, exchange dictionary, plus extra CCP4 items. This will 
be in the next release.
I was about to update cif2mtz to recognise these extra columns. Will look at 
what you have done, may save me a job.

cif2mtz is based on the ccif library, which complains if you try to load a cif 
file which contains a non-dictionary item. I'm sure in the past I tried to find 
a way round this, and failed.

From the user point of view, the mmcif file is ascii and you can hand-edit the 
column item names. This is the get-out method if cif2mtz fails. Edit the item 
name to something that is recognised.

Cheers
Martyn

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 -Original Message-
 From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of
 Oliver Smart
 Sent: 21 December 2011 14:40
 To: ccp4bb
 Subject: [ccp4bb] How to patch CCP4 cif2mtz so it can handle PDB
 entries with Map Coefficients
 
 Some recently released PDB entries (for instance 3u57) have structure
 factor files that contain map coefficients. We think this is a really
 good
 idea because it means that final maps as interpreted by the
 crystallographer will then be archived and available.
 
 But there is a problem converting such files to mtz with the current
 cif2mtz program; indeed we raised this on the bb in September:
 https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=CCP4BB;6be4044e.1109
 
 To get around this we produced a quick-fix patch for cif2mtz that is
 available at:
 
 http://www.globalphasing.com/buster/wiki/index.cgi?CCP4cif2mtzPatchToHa
 ndleMapCoefficients
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Oliver
 
 | Dr Oliver Smart |
 | Global Phasing Ltd., Cambridge UK   |
 | http://www.globalphasing.com/people/osmart/ |


Re: [ccp4bb] MERGING THREE DATASETS

2011-12-21 Thread arka chakraborty
Hi,

The solution provided by Mr. Dodson worked out well! Also it was nice to
learn about the other options available.

Thanks a lot!

ARKO

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:13 PM, harry powell ha...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.ukwrote:

 Hi

 I'd have to say that I *really* like using Phil Evan's new program
 Aimless rather than Scala - not sure if it's in CCP4 yet but it is
 available from his own ftp site for a number of platforms -


 ftp://ftp.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/**pub/preftp://ftp.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/pub/pre

 (I think).

 In my hands it's faster and more reliable most of the time.

 So my route from unmerged files would be pointless then aimless...


 On 21 Dec 2011, at 11:29, Vellieux Frederic wrote:

  There are several ways to skin a cat. If you have processed your data
 with XDS, XSCALE can also do the job (you have to think of the unit cell
 parameters of the merged data set though - the default may not necessarily
 what you wish to have), and I am certain other data frame processing suites
 will have this offered as an option somewhere... (I personally like all the
 statistics provided by the combat / scala route though).

 Fred.

 Eleanor Dodson wrote:

 Do you still have the unmerged files?
 In that case just feed them to pointless and redo scala/etc..

 If you only 3 merged data sets, you will have to use combat to convert
 the mtz files into an fake unmerged format then put them through
 pointless/scala to get relative scales and merge them..

 Eleanor

 On 12/21/2011 11:15 AM, arka chakraborty wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have three datasets  with same space-group and identical cell
 dimensions
 which I want to merge together. I remember that this was discussed in
 the
 blog some time back. Nevertheless, I can use some help!

 Thanks in advance,

 ARKO




 Harry
 --
 Dr Harry Powell,
 MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology,
 Hills Road,
 Cambridge,
 CB2 0QH




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*Chennai,India*


Re: [ccp4bb] MERGING THREE DATASETS

2011-12-21 Thread arka chakraborty
Hi,


 would like to apologize for addressing Dr. Dodson incorrrectly...it was
 purely unintentional...


regards.

ARKO



 On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:13 PM, harry powell ha...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.ukwrote:

 Hi

 I'd have to say that I *really* like using Phil Evan's new program
 Aimless rather than Scala - not sure if it's in CCP4 yet but it is
 available from his own ftp site for a number of platforms -


 ftp://ftp.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/**pub/preftp://ftp.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/pub/pre

 (I think).

 In my hands it's faster and more reliable most of the time.

 So my route from unmerged files would be pointless then aimless...


 On 21 Dec 2011, at 11:29, Vellieux Frederic wrote:

  There are several ways to skin a cat. If you have processed your data
 with XDS, XSCALE can also do the job (you have to think of the unit cell
 parameters of the merged data set though - the default may not necessarily
 what you wish to have), and I am certain other data frame processing suites
 will have this offered as an option somewhere... (I personally like all the
 statistics provided by the combat / scala route though).

 Fred.

 Eleanor Dodson wrote:

 Do you still have the unmerged files?
 In that case just feed them to pointless and redo scala/etc..

 If you only 3 merged data sets, you will have to use combat to convert
 the mtz files into an fake unmerged format then put them through
 pointless/scala to get relative scales and merge them..

 Eleanor

 On 12/21/2011 11:15 AM, arka chakraborty wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have three datasets  with same space-group and identical cell
 dimensions
 which I want to merge together. I remember that this was discussed in
 the
 blog some time back. Nevertheless, I can use some help!

 Thanks in advance,

 ARKO




 Harry
 --
 Dr Harry Powell,
 MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology,
 Hills Road,
 Cambridge,
 CB2 0QH




 --

 *ARKA CHAKRABORTY*
 *CAS in Crystallography and Biophysics*
 *University of Madras*
 *Chennai,India*




-- 

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*CAS in Crystallography and Biophysics*
*University of Madras*
*Chennai,India*


[ccp4bb] linux upgrade preferences for CCP4

2011-12-21 Thread Paul Kraft
hello,
I'm considering upgrading my linux software from CENTOS5 to perhaps Fedora or 
UBUNTO. Does anyone have an opinion about the best linux version to upgrade to 
for not only CCP4 but also for general robustness and for the best standard 
apps..Thanks
Paul

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Re: [ccp4bb] linux upgrade preferences for CCP4

2011-12-21 Thread Sabuj Pattanayek
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Paul Kraft haresea...@yahoo.com wrote:
 hello,
 I'm considering upgrading my linux software from CENTOS5 to perhaps Fedora
 or UBUNTO. Does anyone have an opinion about the best linux version to

centos 6


Re: [ccp4bb] linux upgrade preferences for CCP4

2011-12-21 Thread David Schuller
Opinions? You want opinions? On this mailing list? This one ought to 
keep us going until the new year.


As for Fedora v. Ubuntu, my opinion is that Fedora is better for a 
centrally managed system, whereas Ubuntu is perhaps more convenient for 
a single owner-operator.


Fedora uses the RPM system for software distribution. and it's easy to 
install a lot of pre-packaged libraries and applications, including Coot 
and Pymol. If you do stereo, installation of the nVidia proprietary 
drivers is easy enough using the RPMFusion repository. The 
akmod-nvidia module rebuilds the driver automatically for a kernel 
upgrade.


But as for robustness? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I can't use that word in 
the same sentence as Fedora. It is Red Hat's bleeding edge product, 
where they introduce all the latest, greatest bugs. Fedora 15 and 16 do 
not have a graphical application for managing system services, because 
they just switched to systemctl and do not have all the details worked 
out yet.


A current issue in the Linux community is desktops. Fedora switched from 
Gnome 2 to Gnome 3 in their previous release (15). G3 has a whole bushel 
of bugs and some nonintuitive features. Ubuntu switched from Gnome to 
their own Unity desktop, which has sent some users fleeing to the Mint 
distribution.


I am just now contemplating a switch in the opposite direction, from 
Fedora to Scientific Linux 6. Like CENTOS, SL is a repackaging based on 
the Red Hat Enterprise source code, and is FREE. It has backing from 
some of the big physics labs, including CERN and Fermilab.


The price of stability is that you don't get all the latest stuff. In 
SL6.1, the current version of Firefox is 3.6.24, and the image rendering 
is SLOW. I am wondering if I want to go back that far in time.


Also, SL does not have their own bugzilla. If you encounter a bug, they 
tell you to take it to RedHat. You can imagine the finger-pointing 
circles that is going to lead to.




On 12/21/2011 03:29 PM, Paul Kraft wrote:

hello,
I'm considering upgrading my linux software from CENTOS5 to perhaps 
Fedora or UBUNTO. Does anyone have an opinion about the best linux 
version to upgrade to for not only CCP4 but also for general 
robustness and for the best standard apps..Thanks

Paul
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Re: [ccp4bb] linux upgrade preferences for CCP4

2011-12-21 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday, 21 December 2011, Paul Kraft wrote:
 hello,
 I'm considering upgrading my linux software from CENTOS5 to perhaps Fedora or 
 UBUNTO. Does anyone have an opinion about the best linux version to upgrade 
 to for not only CCP4 but also for general robustness and for the best 
 standard apps..Thanks

Well, since you ask...

My preference is for Mandriva, followed by Suse.
IMHO neither Fedora nor RHEL (of which CENTOS is a clone) are as
suitable right out of the box for use either at home or in the
lab.  We (lab scientists) are just not in their target audience,
so their packaging and configuration defaults are not the best
for our use.  Oh, and I much prefer a KDE desktop, which is only
an afterthought at best in the distros you mention.

Ethan


Re: [ccp4bb] linux upgrade preferences for CCP4

2011-12-21 Thread mjvdwoerd

Paul,

Wait a while, and then CENTOS 6 (or not wait a while). In my opinion neither of 
your choices are as stable as CENTOS. The big drawback is that CENTOS does not 
have the latest gadgets - but gadgets and stability are mutually exclusive, by 
definition. I have lately been annoyed because I obtained a program that needs 
C-libraries that are not available in CENTOS5, so I can appreciate your 
thinking, but I am not planning on moving away from CENTOS. It is completely 
maintenance-free nothing ever crashes and all standard programs work on it. 

Uh-oh, I think I just heard a breaking-sound in the computer room. :-)

Mark



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From: Paul Kraft haresea...@yahoo.com
To: CCP4BB CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Sent: Wed, Dec 21, 2011 1:29 pm
Subject: [ccp4bb] linux upgrade preferences for CCP4



hello,
I'm considering upgrading my linux software from CENTOS5 to perhaps Fedora or 
UBUNTO. Does anyone have an opinion about the best linux version to upgrade to 
for not only CCP4 but also for general robustness and for the best standard 
apps..Thanks
Paul

 
Dr. Paul Kraft
Structural Biologist
cell 586-596-2770
email: haresea...@yahoo.com
email: kraft_proteome_resea...@yahoo.com






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Re: [ccp4bb] linux upgrade preferences for CCP4

2011-12-21 Thread Sabuj Pattanayek
 The price of stability is that you don't get all the latest stuff. In SL6.1,
 the current version of Firefox is 3.6.24, and the image rendering is SLOW. I
 am wondering if I want to go back that far in time.

Not out of the box, but the latest ffx works in centos6. I think there
are third party repos for ffx, but I just download and maintain that
separately (e.g. in /opt or /usr/local ), which basically amounts to
clicking update in the about box of ffx.

 Also, SL does not have their own bugzilla. If you encounter a bug, they tell
 you to take it to RedHat. You can imagine the finger-pointing circles that
 is going to lead to.

Centos 6 does but it's really not that big of a help either and
neither is RHAT's bugzilla unless it's something that effects the
majority of servers that RHAT gets paid to support (e.g. some bug in
NFS, the filesystem, or kernel)


[ccp4bb] OT: LN2 autofill

2011-12-21 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
Hi Fellows,

I am looking for some advice re LN2 autofill. I want to automatically refill
an open special-use foam Dewar 
on the crystal harvesting robot from an unpressurized  secondary storage
Dewar. We found this system
http://www.norhof.com/fillingexample.html
and it seems to do what we need and also seems reasonably priced (little
more than 5k)  plus
shipping from Europe.
I wonder if someone has experience with US available alternatives or finds
some gotcha I missed...

Maybe off-board if considered mission creep... 

Best regards, BR
-
Scientists are there to find the laws of nature. 
Engineers are there to work around them.
-


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Re: [ccp4bb] linux upgrade preferences for CCP4

2011-12-21 Thread George Reeke
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 15:40 -0500, Sabuj Pattanayek wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Paul Kraft haresea...@yahoo.com wrote:
  hello,
  I'm considering upgrading my linux software from CENTOS5 to perhaps Fedora
  or UBUNTO. Does anyone have an opinion about the best linux version to
 
 centos 6

FWIW, I use RHEL 5 = CentOS 5 and recently upgraded to 6.
Everything I use (not crystallographic software) works fine
except vmware workstation currently does not work on it,
so if you use vmware (I use it to run Windows inside Linux)
you have to wait a while.
   Best to all from an old lurker,
   George Reeke


Re: [ccp4bb] linux upgrade preferences for CCP4

2011-12-21 Thread Sabuj Pattanayek
 FWIW, I use RHEL 5 = CentOS 5 and recently upgraded to 6.
 Everything I use (not crystallographic software) works fine
 except vmware workstation currently does not work on it,

Tried upgrading to vmware workstation v8? Compat guide :

http://www.vmware.com/resources/compatibility/search.php?deviceCategory=softwaretestConfig=17

says that v8 works with RHEL6/CENTOS6 as the host OS. VirtualBox is a
decent alternative if you don't want to pay.


Re: [ccp4bb] linux upgrade preferences for CCP4

2011-12-21 Thread David Schuller

Fedora releases are supported for about a year from initial release.

Red Hat Enterprise, Centos and Scientific Linux are all supported for 
about 5 years.



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Re: [ccp4bb] [off topic] Control of crystals' direction and position in the drop.

2011-12-21 Thread Nian Huang
I tried the bookend drop method. It didn't work for me but hopefully it
will benefit other people.
There is only one thing I need to add to the detailed protocol from Martyn.
I had trouble not cutting through the plastic slides. Even I could do it,
it was impossible to peel a layer up. So in the end, it became much easier
for me by just cutting a cross in the middle of the coverslip, raising up
one corner of the cross, and sealing it with a clear tape. Hopefully it can
help.

Nian

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:32 PM, MARTYN SYMMONS 
martainn_oshioma...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Attached is a picture of making the bookend setup - step b. shows the
 razor levering up the flap from the plastic coverslip  - be careful not to
 cut right through (I have done that and the drop dries extra quick in such
 a case) also be careful to apply the protein/well droplet as shown with to
 the shiny side of the lifted flap. (Apologies for the attachment).

 hope your crystals go well.

 Martyn
 --
 *From:* Nian Huang huangn...@gmail.com
 *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 15 November 2011, 17:44

 *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] [off topic] Control of crystals' direction and
 position in the drop.

 Thank you guys. I basically tried almost everything that I can find in the
 hampton catalogue and in this bulletin, seeding, hanging, sitting,
 sandwitch drops (which made things worse), temperature, gel, oil batch, and
 additive screens. Manipulating the crystal with fiber increases the chance
 to make it grow twin. The book end coverslip sounds a fantasic idea. It
 might be just going to work.

 Best,

 Nian





Re: [ccp4bb] linux upgrade preferences for CCP4

2011-12-21 Thread Francois Berenger

On 12/22/2011 06:56 AM, David Schuller wrote:

Fedora releases are supported for about a year from initial release.

Red Hat Enterprise, Centos and Scientific Linux are all supported for
about 5 years.


Ubuntu has long term support distributions as well:

Starting with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS [...] versions will receive 5 years support

Previous versions were 3 years for desktop and 5 years for server.

cf. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS

Regards,
F.


[ccp4bb] bug in Coot when saving coordinates

2011-12-21 Thread Michael Murphy
I am adding solvent molecules into unmodelled blobs of density in Coot.
When  I am finished, I merge molecules, then save my coordinates. For some
reason Coot is saving two copies of each molecule that I have modelled and
assigns them different chain ID's. I notice this when I open it in PyMol
and when I open the coot pdb file using a text editor. Is there a reason
why Coot does this?, or a way that I can save my work in the same state
that I prepared it in?