Re: [ccp4bb] Postdoctoral positions(2) in cryo-EM

2020-03-01 Thread Alessandro Vannini
Dear all,
Just a reminder of the Postoctoral positions currently open in our laboratory. 
The positions are for 15 months initially, but extendable to up to 7 years!
Harry up applying shortlisting of candidates started already!

Best wishes,
Ale

PS. Get in touch with me directly if you require further info

> On 10 Feb 2020, at 19:55, Alessandro Vannini  wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> I would like to draw your attention to two postdoctoral positions available 
> immediately in my laboratory to work on cryo-EM determination of complexes 
> operating at the interface of SMC complexes and the transcription apparatus. 
> The projects are well suited for individual with good experience in modern 
> Cryo-EM pipelines. For some projects datasets have been already collected and 
> await further processing while others samples are “cryo” ready. The 
> postdoctoral fellows will be based at the ICR in South Kensington (Glacios, 
> F20 in house + consortium Krios + eBIC) but is expected that will also 
> benefit from the top notch EM facility currently being set up at the Human 
> Technopole, Milan Italy (Krios, Glacios, Talos, Aquilos, CLEM and room 
> temperature tomography 300 Kv scope).
> If interested please apply here:
> 
> https://icr.tal.net/vx/appcentre-ext/brand-0/candidate/so/pm/1/pl/1/opp/995-Postdoctoral-Training-Fellow-in-Cryo-EM/en-G
> 
> For general enquiries please write me directly.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Alessandro 
> 
> 



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[ccp4bb] Postdoctoral positions(2) in cryo-EM

2020-02-10 Thread Alessandro Vannini
Dear all,
I would like to draw your attention to two postdoctoral positions available 
immediately in my laboratory to work on cryo-EM determination of complexes 
operating at the interface of SMC complexes and the transcription apparatus. 
The projects are well suited for individual with good experience in modern 
Cryo-EM pipelines. For some projects datasets have been already collected and 
await further processing while others samples are “cryo” ready. The 
postdoctoral fellows will be based at the ICR in South Kensington (Glacios, F20 
in house + consortium Krios + eBIC) but is expected that will also benefit from 
the top notch EM facility currently being set up at the Human Technopole, Milan 
Italy (Krios, Glacios, Talos, Aquilos, CLEM and room temperature tomography 300 
Kv scope).
If interested please apply here:

https://icr.tal.net/vx/appcentre-ext/brand-0/candidate/so/pm/1/pl/1/opp/995-Postdoctoral-Training-Fellow-in-Cryo-EM/en-G

For general enquiries please write me directly.

Cheers,

Alessandro 


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[ccp4bb] PhD position at the ICR, London, UK

2015-02-20 Thread Alessandro Vannini
Dear CCP4bb readers,

a PhD position (starting in October 2015) is available in my laboratory 
(www.icr.ac.uk/alessandrovannini) at The Institute of Cancer Research (ICR, 
Chelsea, London, UK), to undertake crystallographic, single particle electron 
microscopy analysis and biochemical analysis of large eukaryotic 
transcriptional complexes. We are particularly interested in studying 
macromolecular complexes that are involved in cancer development and several 
projects (which require different skills) are available. 

Applications for PhDs are invited from talented graduates or final year 
undergraduates who hold or expect to gain a first or upper second class honours 
degree or equivalent, or a Masters degree, in a relevant subject. Successful 
candidates will undertake a four-year research training programme under the 
guidance of a supervisory team of our world-class researchers. Projects and 
their primary supervisors are listed below.  Students receive an annual 
stipend, currently £21,000 per annum, as well as having fees and project costs 
paid for the four-year duration. The ICR is a college of the University of 
London and awards degrees of the University.

Our studentships are funded from a range of sources, including Cancer Research 
UK Centre – a strategic partnership between Cancer Research UK, the ICR and The 
Royal Marsden NHS Foundation Trust which aims to enhance translational research 
–the Hensley Nankivell studentship fund, the FC Hunter studentship fund, and 
ICR core funding.

How to apply:
Full details about these studentship projects, and the online application form, 
are available on our website, at:  www.icr.ac.uk/phds. Applications should be 
made online. Please ensure that you read and follow the application 
instructions very carefully. 

Closing date: Friday 6th March 2015

Best regards,

Alessandro

**
Dr. Alessandro Vannini
Team Leader, Division of Structural Biology
The Institute of Cancer Research
Chester Beatty Laboratories
237 Fulham Road
London, SW3 6JB
United Kingdom

Tel: +44 - (0)20- 7153 - 5557
Fax: +44 - (0)20- 7153 - 5457
Email: alessandro.vann...@icr.ac.uk

www.icr.ac.uk/alessandrovannini
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Re: [ccp4bb] PostDoc - Structural Biology - Cancer

2013-11-22 Thread Alessandro Vannini
Dear CCP4ers,


apologies but the actual deadline for the advertised post is the 29th November 
2013 (and not 2014). So only one week left to apply and not one year.

Best,

Alessandro



A post-doctoral position is available immediately in the laboratory of Dr. 
Alessandro Vannini, within the Division of Structural Biology at The Institute 
of Cancer Research in Chelsea, London, UK. We are looking for highly motivated 
individuals with a strong interest in structural characterization of 
multi-subunit macromolecular complexes. We currently employ single particle 
electron microscopy analysis and X-ray crystallography, as well as biochemical 
and biophysical analysis, to elucidate the role of the RNA Polymerase III and 
associated factors in cancer development.

The Division of Structural Biology has managed facilities for protein 
crystallography (Bruker Microstar and CCD detector and crystallisation robots), 
cryo-electron microscopy (FEI Tecnai F20 and T12), and protein production with 
expertise in multi-subunit expression (insect cell, yeast and bacterial 
expression, including a 60 L fermentor). The Division is also well equipped 
with equipment for biophysical analysis (e.g. ITC, fluorescence, multi-angle 
light scattering).

Applicants should possess a PhD (or equivalent) in biochemistry or molecular 
biology and a sound knowledge in production and purification of macromolecular 
complexes for structural biology analysis. Previous experience with 
purification of multi-subunit complexes and/or biochemistry of protein-nucleic 
acid complexes would be beneficial. Previous experience in protein 
crystallography and/or single particle electron microscopy would be desirable. 

Appointment will be on Fixed Term Contract for 3 years in the first instance, 
with a starting salary in the range of £28,425 to £34,944 p.a. inclusive (based 
on previous post-doctoral experience).  

CV and covering letter must be submitted online at 
http://www.icr.ac.uk/jobsearch

Job Ref. No. 1378320
Closing Date: 29th November 2013

For informal inquiries you can contact me directly at 
alessandro.vann...@icr.ac.uk


[ccp4bb] PostDoc - Structural Biology - Cancer

2013-11-19 Thread Alessandro Vannini
Dear CCP4ers,

a post-doctoral position is available immediately in the laboratory of Dr. 
Alessandro Vannini, within the Division of Structural Biology at The Institute 
of Cancer Research in Chelsea, London, UK. We are looking for highly motivated 
individuals with a strong interest in structural characterization of 
multi-subunit macromolecular complexes. We currently employ single particle 
electron microscopy analysis and X-ray crystallography, as well as biochemical 
and biophysical analysis, to elucidate the role of the RNA Polymerase III and 
associated factors in cancer development.

The Division of Structural Biology has managed facilities for protein 
crystallography (Bruker Microstar and CCD detector and crystallisation robots), 
cryo-electron microscopy (FEI Tecnai F20 and T12), and protein production with 
expertise in multi-subunit expression (insect cell, yeast and bacterial 
expression, including a 60 L fermentor). The Division is also well equipped 
with equipment for biophysical analysis (e.g. ITC, fluorescence, multi-angle 
light scattering).

Applicants should possess a PhD (or equivalent) in biochemistry or molecular 
biology and a sound knowledge in production and purification of macromolecular 
complexes for structural biology analysis. Previous experience with 
purification of multi-subunit complexes and/or biochemistry of protein-nucleic 
acid complexes would be beneficial. Previous experience in protein 
crystallography and/or single particle electron microscopy would be desirable. 

Appointment will be on Fixed Term Contract for 3 years in the first instance, 
with a starting salary in the range of £28,425 to £34,944 p.a. inclusive (based 
on previous post-doctoral experience).  

CV and covering letter must be submitted online at 
http://www.icr.ac.uk/jobsearch

Job Ref. No. 1378320
Closing Date: 29th November 2014

For informal inquiries you can contact me directly at 
alessandro.vann...@icr.ac.uk


[ccp4bb] Post-doctoral position Structural Biology

2013-10-27 Thread Alessandro Vannini
Dear CCP4ers,

a post-doctoral position  is immediately available in my lab at the Institute 
of Cancer Research, Chelsea, London to study multi-subunit enzymes, 
transcription factors and regulatory complexes involved in RNA Polymerase III 
transcription (www.icr.ac.uk/alessandrovannini). The position is offered 
initially for 3 years but can be further extended. Expression and purification 
protocols from endogenous and recombinant sources have been already established 
in the lab and hybrid techniques (X-ray crystallography and EM) will be 
employed for structural characterization.
Please find below details on how to apply. For informal inquiries you can 
contact me directly at alessandro.vann...@icr.ac.uk .

Best,

Ale


A post-doctoral position is available immediately in the laboratory of Dr. 
Alessandro Vannini, Division of Structural Biology at The Institute of Cancer 
Research. We are looking for highly motivated individuals with a strong 
interest in structural characterization of multi-subunit macromolecular 
complexes. We currently employ single particle electron microscopy analysis and 
X-ray crystallography, as well as biochemical and biophysical analysis, to 
elucidate the role of the RNA Polymerase III and associated factors in cancer 
development.

The Division of Structural Biology has managed facilities for protein 
crystallography (Bruker Microstar and CCD detector and crystallisation robots), 
cryo-electron microscopy (FEI Tecnai F20 and T12), and protein production with 
expertise in multi-subunit expression (insect cell, yeast and bacterial 
expression, including a 60 L fermentor). The Division is also well equipped 
with equipment for biophysical analysis (e.g. ITC, fluorescence, multi-angle 
light scattering).

Applicants should possess a PhD (or equivalent) in biochemistry or molecular 
biology and a sound knowledge in production and purification of macromolecular 
complexes for structural biology analysis. Previous experience with 
purification of multi-subunit complexes and/or biochemistry of protein-nucleic 
acid complexes would be beneficial. Previous experience in protein 
crystallography and/or single particle electron microscopy would be desirable. 

Appointment will be on Fixed Term Contract for 3 years in the first instance, 
with a starting salary in the range of £28,425 to £34,944 p.a. inclusive (based 
on previous post-doctoral experience).  

CV and covering letter must be submitted online at 
http://www.icr.ac.uk/jobsearch

Job Ref. No. 1378320
Closing Date: 29th November 2013


[ccp4bb] Postdoctoral position, structural biology of multi-subunit macromolecular complexes

2013-09-03 Thread Alessandro Vannini
Dear CCP4ers,

a PostDoctoral position is immediately available in Alessandro Vannini's lab at 
the Institute of Cancer Research in central London to structurally and 
functionally characterise large multi-subunit complexes involved in eukaryotic 
transcription (www.icr.ac.uk/alessandrovannini). 

We are looking for highly motivated and creative individuals with a strong 
interest in structural characterization of multi-subunit complexes. We 
currently employ single particle electron microscopy analysis and x-ray 
crystallography, as well as biochemical and biochemical analysis, to elucidate 
the role of the RNA Polymerase III transcription apparatus in cancer and other 
fundamental cellular processes.

The lab is well equipped with a fleet of AKTAs (including a brand new AKTA 
Pure) and have access to divisional managed facilities for protein 
crystallography (Bruker Microstar and CCD detector and crystallisation robots), 
cryo-electron microscopy (FEI Tecnai F20 and T12), and protein production with 
expertise in multi-subunit expression (insect cell, yeast and bacterial 
expression, including a 60 L fermentor). The Division is also well equipped 
with equipment for biophysical analysis (e.g. ITC, fluorescence, multi-angle 
light scattering).

Applicants should possess a PhD (or equivalent) in biochemistry or molecular 
biology with a sound knowledge of multi-subunit complex production and 
purification. Experience in purification of  recombinant and/or endogenous 
proteins for structural biology analysis is essential for this post. Experience 
in protein crystallography and/or single particle electron microscopy would be 
desirable. Individuals with a strong background in biochemical characterization 
of transcription machineries  wishing to learn structural biology techniques 
will be taken into serious consideration.

The lab is located in the heart of central London, in the vibrant area of South 
Kensington.

Appointment will be on Fixed Term Contract for 2 years in the first instance, 
with a starting salary in the range of £28,087 to £34,529 p.a. inclusive (based 
on previous post-doctoral experience).  

CV and cover letter must be submitted online at http://www.icr.ac.uk/jobsearch 

Informal enquiries can be sent directly to alessandro.vann...@.icr.ac.uk 

Job Ref. No. 1355633

Closing Date: 15/09/2013


Cheerio,

Ale


[ccp4bb] Postdoctoral position at the ICR, central London

2013-08-04 Thread Alessandro Vannini
Dear CCP4ers,

a PostDoctoral position is immediately available in Alessandro Vannini's lab at 
the Institute of Cancer Research in central London to structurally and 
functionally characterise large multi-subunit complexes involved in eukaryotic 
transcription (www.icr.ac.uk/alessandrovannini). 

We are looking for highly motivated and creative individuals with a strong 
interest in structural characterization of multi-subunit complexes. We 
currently employ single particle electron microscopy analysis and x-ray 
crystallography, as well as biochemical and biochemical analysis, to elucidate 
the role of the RNA Polymerase III transcription apparatus in cancer and other 
fundamental cellular processes (www.icr.ac.uk/alessandrovannini).

The lab is well equipped with a fleet of AKTAs (including a brand new AKTA 
Pure) and have access to divisional managed facilities for protein 
crystallography (Bruker Microstar and CCD detector and crystallisation robots), 
cryo-electron microscopy (FEI Tecnai F20 and T12), and protein production with 
expertise in multi-subunit expression (insect cell, yeast and bacterial 
expression, including a 60 L fermentor). The Division is also well equipped 
with equipment for biophysical analysis (e.g. ITC, fluorescence, multi-angle 
light scattering).

Applicants should possess a PhD (or equivalent) in biochemistry or molecular 
biology with a sound knowledge of multi-subunit complex production and 
purification. Experience in purification of  recombinant and/or endogenous 
proteins for structural biology analysis is essential for this post. Experience 
in protein crystallography and/or single particle electron microscopy would be 
desirable. Individuals with a strong background in biochemical characterization 
of transcription machineries  wishing to learn structural biology techniques 
will be taken into serious consideration.

The lab is located in the heart of central London, in the vibrant area of South 
Kensington.

Appointment will be on Fixed Term Contract for 2 years in the first instance, 
with a starting salary in the range of £28,087 to £34,529 p.a. inclusive (based 
on previous post-doctoral experience).  

CV and cover letter must be submitted online at http://www.icr.ac.uk/jobsearch 

Informal enquiries can be sent directly to alessandro.vann...@.icr.ac.uk 

Job Ref. No. 1355633

Closing Date: 15/09/2013


Cheerio,

Ale


[ccp4bb] Postdoctoral position at The Institute of Cancer Research, Chelsea - London

2013-05-18 Thread Alessandro Vannini
Following on a BBSRC New Investigator Award, a post-doctoral position is 
available immediately in the laboratory of Dr. Alessandro Vannini, Division of 
Structural Biology at The Institute of Cancer Research in London 
(www.icr.ac.uk/alessandrovannini). We are looking for highly motivated and 
creative individuals with a strong interest in structural characterization of 
large multi-subunit complexes. We currently employ single particle electron 
microscopy analysis and x-ray crystallography, as well as biochemical and 
biochemical analysis, to elucidate the role of the RNA Polymerase III 
transcription apparatus in cancer and other fundamental cellular processes. 

The Division of Structural Biology has managed facilities for protein 
crystallography (Bruker Microstar and CCD detector and crystallisation robots), 
cryo-electron microscopy (FEI Tecnai F20 and T12), and protein production with 
expertise in multi-subunit expression (insect cell, yeast and bacterial 
expression, including a 60 L fermentor). The Division is also well equipped 
with equipment for biophysical analysis (e.g. ITC, fluorescence, multi-angle 
light scattering). 

Applicants should possess a PhD (or equivalent) in biochemistry or molecular 
biology with a sound knowledge of multi-subunit complex production and 
purification. Experience in purification of multi-subunit protein complexes and 
yeast genetics is essential for this post. Experience in protein 
crystallography and/or single particle electron microscopy and protein 
production in insect cells (MultiBac) would be desirable, but individuals with 
a strong background in yeast genetics and/or biochemistry of multi-subunit 
complexes wishing to learn structural biology techniques will be taken into 
serious consideration. 

Appointment will be on Fixed Term Contract for 2 years in the first instance, 
with a starting salary in the range of £28,087 to £33,318 p.a. inclusive (based 
on previous post-doctoral experience).
Informal enquiries to alessandro.vann...@icr.ac.uk and applications must be 
submitted in line with the instructions on our website: 
http://www.icr.ac.uk/jobs/index.shtml, quoting reference 1336320.

Closing date June 20th 2013.

Dr. Alessandro Vannini
Team Leader, Division of Structural Biology
The Institute of Cancer Research
Chester Beatty Laboratories
237 Fulham Road
London, SW3 6JB
United Kingdom


[ccp4bb] Post-Doc position at ICR, London

2012-04-17 Thread Alessandro Vannini
We seek to appoint a post-doctoral training fellow to the Division of 
Structural Biology in the new team led by Dr Alessandro Vannini to undertake 
crystallographic, single particle electron microscopy analysis and biochemical 
analysis of large macromolecular complexes that assemble at RNA Polymerase III 
loci across the eukaryotic genome, in order to mechanistically understand their 
role in cancer and other fundamental cellular processes 
(www.icr.ac.uk/alessandrovannini).

The Division of Structural Biology has managed facilities for protein 
crystallography (Bruker Microstar and CCD detector and crystallisation robots), 
cryo-electron microscopy (FEI Tecnai F20 and T12), and protein production with 
expertise in multi-subunit expression (insect cell, yeast and bacterial 
expression, including a 60 L fermentor). The Division is also well equipped 
with equipment for biophysical analysis (e.g. ITC, fluorescence, multi-angle 
light scattering).

Applicants should possess a PhD (or equivalent) in biochemistry or molecular 
biology with a sound knowledge of protein crystallography an/or single particle 
electron microscopy. Experience in the biochemical and biophysical 
characterization of multi-subunit and protein-nuclei acids complexes is highly 
desirable. Experience in protein production in insect cells (MultiBac) or yeast 
genetics would be an advantage.

Appointment will be on Fixed Term Contract for 3 years in the first instance, 
with a starting salary in the range of £27,536 to £33,852 p.a. inclusive (based 
on previous post-doctoral experience).

For further particulars and details of how to apply, please check the current 
vacancies in the division of Structural Biology on our online application 
website (https://www.icr.ac.uk/jobs/index.shtml) and refer to this vacancy (n. 
1228522).

Closing date: 16th May 2012

Please direct informal inquiries to Dr. Alessandro Vannini at 
alessandro.vann...@icr.ac.uk


[ccp4bb] Job posts - ICR, London, UK

2012-01-13 Thread Alessandro Vannini
Dear CCP4bb readers,

a postdoctoral position and a scientific officer / higher scientific officer 
position are available  at The Institute of Cancer Research (ICR, Chelsea, 
London, UK), to undertakes crystallographic, single particle electron 
microscopy analysis and biochemical analysis of large eukaryotic 
transcriptional complexes. We are particularly interested in studying 
macromolecular complexes that are involved in cancer development and several 
projects (which require different skills) are available. 

The Division of Structural Biology of the ICR has managed facilities for 
protein crystallography (Bruker Microstar and CCD detector and crystallisation 
robots), cryo-electron microscopy (FEI Tecnai F20 and T12), and protein 
production with expertise in multi-subunit expression (insect cell, yeast and 
bacterial expression including a 60 L fermentor). The Division is also well 
equipped with equipment for biophysical analysis (e.g. ITC, fluorescence, 
multi-angle light scattering).

Applicants for the postdoctoral position should possess a PhD (or equivalent) 
in biochemistry or molecular biology with a sound knowledge of protein 
purification for structural biology analysis. Experience in recombinant protein 
production and purification as well as protein crystallography and/or single 
particle electron microscopy is essential.  Experience in the biochemistry of 
multi-subunit protein complexes, yeast genetics or protein production in insect 
cells (MultiBac) would be an advantage.
Appointment will be on Fixed Term Contract for 3 years in the first instance, 
with a starting salary in the range of £27,536 to £33,852 p.a. inclusive (based 
on previous post-doctoral experience). 
For further particulars and details of how to apply, please refer to this 
vacancy on our online application portal: Ref n. 1228522


Applicants for the scientific officer / higher scientific officer should 
possess a BSc. (or equivalent) in molecular biology or cell biology with sound 
knowledge of cloning techniques. Experience in molecular cloning and protein 
expression is essential. Experience in yeast genetics and/or or protein 
production in insect cells (MultiBac) would be an advantage.
Appointment will be on Fixed Term Contract for 3 years in the first instance, 
with a starting salary in the range of £23,000 to £29,545 p.a. inclusive 
dependant on skills and experience.
In addition to annual performance related pay awards we offer a generous leave 
entitlement of 25 days annual leave per annum which rises to a maximum of 30 
days per annum related to length of service, as well as 8 bank/public holidays 
and 3 additional ICR-set privilege days per annum.
For further particulars and details of how to apply, please refer to this 
vacancy on our online application portal: Ref n. 1228533

Closing date: 8th February 2012

Please direct informal inquiries to Dr. Alessandro Vannini at 
alessandro.vann...@icr.ac.uk

Please DO NOT send your application to Dr. Alessandro Vannini; CVs must be 
submitted in line with the instructions above.



Re: [ccp4bb] About SAD phasing

2010-08-30 Thread Alessandro Vannini
no it's called SAD exactly for that reason .. it's SAD that somebody  
developed a phasing method that does not solve the phase problem!


sorry, stupid joke ...

google (at least)  is our friend btw 

ale


P please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to
***
Dr. Alessandro Vannini, PhD
Cramer lab
Gene Center, Deparment of Chemistry and Biochemistry
Ludwig-Maximilian-Universität München
Feodor-Lynen-Str. 25
81377 München
Tel. : +49-89-2180-76955


On 30 Aug 2010, at 20:32, Jane Bailey wrote:


Hi, All

I would like to ask whether is it possible to allocate the Se site  
and obtain the phase by just using the SAD data set (no native  
dataset used)?


Thanks,
Qing





Re: [ccp4bb] Halide soaking

2009-03-31 Thread Alessandro Vannini

Hi,
it worked very nice for me in 1 out of 1 case where I tried it :-).  
Very well diffracting crystals (1.8  Ang), rather small protein 20  
kDa, 50 %solvent content, 1 mol/ASU. 20-30 s soak in 0.5 M NaBr  
resulted in 6 nice ordered sites.
It was crucial for us  to collect a 3 wavelength MAD data set. A SAD  
data set (using just the peak, even if with high redundancy ) was not  
enough to obtain traceable electron density map, even-though

one could distinguish clearly protein boundaries and solvent channels.

Good luck

Ale

On 31 Mar 2009, at 18:19, tat cheung cheng wrote:


Hi all

I am now trying to do bromide soaking, but i am not really sure does  
the bromide atom enter my crystal. So is there any signs that  
indicate the entry of bromide atom? e.g. does the space group, cell  
dimension change? or just nothing change, and the bromide atom just  
get in?

Thanks very much.

T.C. Cheng


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Re: [ccp4bb] structure (factor) amplitude

2009-01-12 Thread Alessandro Vannini

Dear Tassos,

just to add some pepper to the conversation,
I am obliged to say that Chichero (as it's typed) in modern (as well  
as in old) italian would be pronounced in exactly the same way as  
greek Kikero ...

Does it help, or make more confusion ???

:-)

alE

PS. I am also for Structure factor amplitude. I learned it like that  
and, you know, change is bad 



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Cramer lab
Gene Center, Deparment of Chemistry and Biochemistry
Ludwig-Maximilian-Universität München
Feodor-Lynen-Str. 25
81377 München
Tel. : +49-89-2180-76955


On 12 Jan 2009, at 15:15, Anastassis Perrakis wrote:

This chain reminds me of another discussion we had during dinner at  
Grenoble in the late '90s.

The topic of the argument was how to pronounce the name 'Cicero'.
Namely, my Italian friend (Gino C) was claiming it should be  
pronounced like in modern Italian, 'Chichero',
while I was claiming that since the contemporary Greeks transcribed  
it as 'Kikero' (with a k)

it should indeed sound as in modern Greek, Kikero.

My learned Dutch colleague (Mark vR) after a few minutes of this  
rather dull argument he exclaimed in the well known

Dutch diplomatic manner: 'But, who chares?'

Not that I don't care, but I would personally understand the same  
thing in both cases - and I am enjoying the argument.


A.

PS Wikipedia says: Marcus Tullius Cicero (Classical Latin pronounced  
[ˈkikeroː], usually pronounced /ˈsɪsəɹəʊ/ in English; January  
3, 106 BC – December 7, 43 BC) was a Roman statesman, lawyer,  
political theorist, philosopher, and Roman constitutionalist.


On Jan 12, 2009, at 14:48, Ian Tickle wrote:


Hi Gerard  Marc

My answer was my interpretation of Bernhard's original question what
*is* the currently accepted name of the object whose description is
'structure factor amplitude' ?, and was based both on authoritative
precedent, i.e. ITC Vol. B, and on frequency of current usage, i.e.
Google hits.  Carroll was making the point that in logic the name  
of an
object is minimally only an arbitrary string of characters  
(preferably

pronounceable!), like the name of a variable in a program, which
minimally need have no semantic connotations whatsoever: a rose by  
any
other name would smell as sweet.  The only requirement is that it  
must
not be ambiguous, i.e. you can't have two different objects within  
the
same context with the same name.  For example my name 'Ian'  
provides no
semantic clues as to my description (except perhaps that I'm male),  
and

causes no problems provided no other 'Ian's enter the discussion.
However alternate names for the same object are clearly allowed
(consider names of objects in different languages).

In this case I am not offering an opinion on what I think the name
*should be*, I am merely reporting on what the name *is* (however
illogical), based on precedent and usage.  However I do accept your
argument that when making up the compound name of an object, it  
should
as far as possible also be accurately descriptive in the way it  
relates
to the names of related objects, consistent with the conflicting  
needs
for abbreviation and lack of ambiguity.  You are going much further  
than

me: you are answering a different question what *should be* the
accepted name of ... ?.  In this case you have clearly made a strong
argument, which I accept, for establishing an alternate name for this
particular object.  However one should not create new names or change
the names of objects lightly, if misunderstandings are to be avoided.
Fortunately in this case it can be done with minimal  
misunderstanding on

the part of the readers of Bernhard's textbook (though others may
disagree on that point), provided it is pointed out that there is
precedent for an alternative name for the object in question, and
perhaps a reference should be made to the original authoritative
definition.

Cheers

-- Ian


-Original Message-
From: Gerard Bricogne [mailto:g...@globalphasing.com]
Sent: 12 January 2009 12:09
To: Ian Tickle
Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] structure (factor) amplitude

Dear Ian,

   My reply to this question will be less literate and less
democratic
than yours. In spite of the nice Alice quote, I remain in
favour of trying
to use compound names whose internal structure is, as much as
possible,
isomorphic to the composition of meanings they refer to
(even though I am
not necessarily an unconditional fanatic of OOP). Even if,
allegedly, only
God has a name for each object that completely specifies it
and even gives
it its very existence, I feel it is not unrealistic nor
immodest to do our
best to achieve this in our scientific language. If we
modelled the rigour
of scientific language on that of Lewis Carroll's, we would
be in serious
trouble (perhaps this is why scientists enjoy his humour so
much: it is
like taking