Re: [ccp4bb] Big difference between anomalous map and density modification map

2010-10-18 Thread Wu, Mousheng
Hi, Clemens,

sorry for the confusing and unclear expression of my case.

Confused ... what program/procedure did you use for what you call density 
modification and what for solvent flattening?

 my solvent content is supposed to be 65% (one molecule per ASU). Sharp 
automatically did density modification using 37.5% solvent content. that is why 
I run solvent flattening directly from Sharp.

More confusion: what do you mean with anomalous map? One might call a map 
with anomalous differences and some phases such an anomalous map ... but I 
guess you rather mean an electron density map with phases from some procedure 
based on anomalous differences, right?

you are right. the anomalous map I calculated is anomalous differences map 
using FFT 

   fft hklin eden_flat_53.2pc.mtz mapout eden_flat_53.2pc.map e
 LABI F1=FBshasol PHI=PHIBshasol
  fft hklin eden_flat_53.2pc.mtz mapout eden_flat_53.2pc.map e
 LABI F1=FBshasol PHI=PHIBshasol e

yes, I calculated both density maps. the density around all 6 selenium sites is 
poor.


Thank you very much.

mousheng





Mousheng Wu, PhD
Center for Membrane Biology
Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
The University of Texas Medical School at Houston
6431 Fannin Street, Houston, TX, USA, 77030

From: Clemens Vonrhein [vonrh...@globalphasing.com]
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:05 AM
To: Wu, Mousheng
Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Big difference between anomalous map and density  
modification map

Dear Mousheng,

as others, I'm also a bit confused about the steps you did:

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 02:29:12PM -0500, Wu, Mousheng wrote:
 Dear All,

 I have a MAD dataset at 4Å and shelxD can find clear-cut 10
 solutions (my protein has 12 methionines).

Good.

 I ran autosharp to refine them followed by density modification.

Yes.

 After density modification, I ran solvent flattening.

Confused ... what program/procedure did you use for what you call
density modification and what for solvent flattening?

 Then I calculated the anomalous map using the phase from sharp and
 the electron density map from solvent flattening.

More confusion: what do you mean with anomalous map? One might call
a map with anomalous differences and some phases such an anomalous
map ... but I guess you rather mean an electron density map with
phases from some procedure based on anomalous differences, right?

So you calculated an electron density map from SHARP: which map
coefficients did you use? It should be:

  fft hklin eden.mtz mapout eden.map e
  LABI F1=FB PHI=PHIB
  e

How did you calculate the electron density map after density
modification? If you did density modification within the
SHARP/autoSHARP system it should be

  fft hklin eden_flat_53.2pc.mtz mapout eden_flat_53.2pc.map e
  LABI F1=FBshasol PHI=PHIBshasol
  e

Note: do _not_ use any figure-of-merit column when claculating maps!
Nearly all programs will give you map coefficients (amplitude and
phase) that are already correctly weighted!

Note-2: SHARP/autoSHARP outputs slightly different columns - depending
if you want a map of the light-atoms-only or onw that shows the
average HA contribution as well. As a rule: use FB*/PHIB* for MAD/SAD
and Fcent*/PHIcent* for SIRAS/MIRAS.

 The anomalous map shows the density around these 10 selenium sites
 are clear and round.

Good.

 However, the density map from solvent flattening showed that only 4
 selenium sites have clear and round density.

Is the map after density modifcation or the one after density
modification plus solvent flattening? It is very unclear ...

 The density around these 4 sites clearly showed beautiful
 helices. surprisingly, other 6 selenium sites have poor density or
 no density at all.  The electron density around them is not very
 good and the predicted helical density is flat. I check the electron
 density before I ran solvent flattening. The result is same.  I am
 quite confused about the big difference from these two maps.

We first need to establish what steps you performed and how to see if
these are the actually correct maps to look at.

 I also try SnB to find the selenium sites. The solutions are same as
 those from ShelxD. But How to explain the poor density around the
 selenium sites in the density modification map?  Is there any
 problem with my selenium sites?

Remember that the purely HA-phased maps (i.e. directly after SHARP)
will be dominated by those heavy atoms ... so no surprise they are
nice and round Se density.

Se-MET (or S-Met for that matter) often has alternate conformations in
the side-chain: maybe your phases are actually better and therefore
model those side-chains now more accurately, i.e. as disordered
side-chains. If your environment around those sites is also disorderd
('flattened' helices) this is all not surprising.

Cheers

Clemens

--

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* Clemens Vonrhein, Ph.D. vonrhein AT GlobalPhasing DOT

[ccp4bb] Big difference between anomalous map and density modification map

2010-10-17 Thread Wu, Mousheng
Dear All,

I have a MAD dataset at 4Å and shelxD can find clear-cut 10 solutions (my 
protein has 12 methionines). I ran autosharp to refine them followed by density 
modification. After density modification, I ran solvent flattening. Then I 
calculated the anomalous map using the phase from sharp and the electron 
density map from solvent flattening. The anomalous map  shows the density 
around these 10 selenium sites are clear and round. However, the density map 
from solvent flattening showed that only 4 selenium sites have clear and round 
density.The density around these 4 sites clearly showed beautiful helices. 
surprisingly, other 6 selenium sites have poor density or no density at all.  
The electron density around them is not very good and the predicted helical 
density is flat. I check the electron density before I ran solvent flattening. 
The result is same.  I am quite confused about the big difference from these 
two maps.  I also try SnB to find the selenium sites. The solutions are same as 
those from ShelxD. But How to explain the poor density around the selenium 
sites in the density modification map?  Is there any problem with my selenium 
sites? Any suggestion from crystallographic experts?  Thanks.


Mousheng Wu, PhD
Center for Membrane Biology
Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
The University of Texas Medical School at Houston
6431 Fannin Street, Houston, TX, USA, 77030

[ccp4bb] struggling with molecular replacement

2007-07-26 Thread Wu, Mousheng
hi, everyone!
 
I am struggling with my crystal structure in a very big unit cell. my protein 
is about 16KDa. probably there are about 20 molecules in the asymmetric unit. I 
tried to use molecular replacement to solve the structure. However, there is 
only one NMR structure available for me. The second trouble is there are so 
many molecules in the ASU.  I tried use NMR structure as a model to solve it. 
MolRep gave me 4 solutions. I refined it first and see the map. The map looks 
quite reasonable. some parts of the model fit the density and some do not . i 
tried to trace one molecule first. you can image how hard it is. 
 
Does anyone have such experience?  how can i find so many solutions with NMR 
model? your suggestions are much appreciated!
 
Mousheng Wu


[ccp4bb] oxalate

2007-07-26 Thread Wu, Mousheng
As Anthony and Jeremy suggested, I tried to fit oxalate into the
density. It perfectly matches the density.

Thank all of you. I should read more papers now to make it sense.

 



[ccp4bb] unknown density in structure

2007-07-26 Thread Wu, Mousheng
Hi, everyone,

 

I am recently solving a structure at 1.8A. After I fitted all residues
into the model, I found that there was an extra density in a pocket
consisted of E, N, R and other hydrophobic residues. The density is
strong and connected like a butterfly.  I checked the crystallization
condition. I can not figure out what it is. It seems that it is not from
the crystallization components.  

 

Does anyone know how to figure out what the density is? Is there any
program or database I can use to predict the potential ligand?

Thanks.

 

Mousheng 



Re: [ccp4bb] unknown density in structure

2007-07-26 Thread Wu, Mousheng
There are four molecules in the asymmetric unit. And this density is
present in every molecules.

-Original Message-
From: ANA MARIA MISIC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 5:24 PM
To: Wu, Mousheng 
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] unknown density in structure

Hi Mousheng - Did you check to see if that falls on a special position?
That can lead to a buildup of electron density, and the symmetrical
shape is suspect.

good luck

Ana M. Misic
Research Assistant
Department of Biomolecular Chemistry
Department of Bacteriology
University of Wisconsin - Madison
420 Henry Mall, Rm 230
Madison, WI 53706

Lab Phone: (608)265-9282
Fax: (608)262-9865

- Original Message -
From: Wu, Mousheng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, July 26, 2007 4:21 pm
Subject: [ccp4bb] unknown density in structure
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK


 Hi, everyone,
 
  
 
 I am recently solving a structure at 1.8A. After I fitted all residues
 into the model, I found that there was an extra density in a pocket
 consisted of E, N, R and other hydrophobic residues. The density is
 strong and connected like a butterfly.  I checked the crystallization
 condition. I can not figure out what it is. It seems that it is not
from
 the crystallization components.  
 
  
 
 Does anyone know how to figure out what the density is? Is there any
 program or database I can use to predict the potential ligand?
 
 Thanks.
 
  
 
 Mousheng