Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
if it only occurs with the Mac version of Word: a workaround would be to set up a virtual machine on your Mac in which you run Windows and its version of Word. Anybody tried this? Kay
Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
MathType is a Microsoft Word plugin (on both Windows and Mac OSX). It worked very well for me. http://www.dessci.com/EN/products/mathtype/ Best, Steven On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:09 PM, James Stroud xtald...@gmail.com wrote: I didn’t see the following solution in any other responses. It’s probably the most reasonable one given the constraints of collaboration and publishing. In the absence of using the best software, I found it practical to write the equations in MathType and save them as MathType PDF equations and then add these equations to the document. It is a portable, cross-platform-ish solution. Others only need to install a MathType player, which is free. The advantage is that if your equation gets hosed in the document, you still have the original, editable equation in the PDF. In such cases, you must re-embed it in your document, but it’s better than fully rewriting it. With that said, if you want to work behind a full-featured word processor and have access to the wonders of TeX typesetting, LibreOffice (OpenOffice) + TexMaths is the best for the author during preparation of a manuscript. At this point it is bug free (to my experience), embeds vector equations (SVG) or raster (PNG), is editable, and looks spectacular both when editing and when publishing/printing. The downside is that you have to collaborate with people you can’t force into using the best software. Worse, journals seem to use proprietary publishing software and they want MathType or equation editor with Microsoft word, hence my first solution. James On May 18, 2015, at 5:10 AM, Keller, Jacob kell...@janelia.hhmi.org wrote: There is the possibility of using one of the open-source versions, like openOffice, but those I guess also have their issues. JPK -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Randy Read Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:11 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac Rather off-topic, but maybe someone on the list has found a way to work around this! There's a problem with the Equation Editor in Office 2011 for Mac (i.e. the one that is based on a stripped-down version of MathType, which you get with Insert-Object-Microsoft Equation). You can insert an equation, re-open it and edit it several times, and then suddenly (and seemingly randomly) the equation object will be replaced by a picture showing the equation, which can no longer be edited. I'm writing a rather equation-heavy paper at the moment, and this is driving me crazy. This seems to be a known bug, which has existed from the release of Office 2011. Apparently it happens, unpredictably, when an AutoSave copy of the document is saved, so you can avoid it by turning off the AutoSave feature. The last time this drove me crazy, several years ago, I did try turning off AutoSave. For a while, I was very good about manually saving frequently, but I got into bad habits and eventually Word crashed after I had worked for several hours on a grant proposal without manually saving. So I turned AutoSave back on. At the moment, the least-bad solution seems to be to turn off AutoSave while I'm working on a document with lots of equations and then (hopefully) remember to turn it back on after that document is finished. But it would be great if someone has come up with a better cure for this problem. No doubt someone will suggest switching from Word to LaTeX, but I need to be able to collaborate on paper-writing, and even though I might be willing to invest the effort in learning LaTeX, I can't really expect that of my collaborators. Most people in our field do use Microsoft Word, regardless of its failings. I've also tried using the professional version of MathType, but that requires your collaborators to install it as well - and I don't think that cured the equation to picture problem anyway. Thanks! - Randy J. Read Department of Haematology, University of Cambridge Cambridge Institute for Medical ResearchTel: +44 1223 336500 Wellcome Trust/MRC Building Fax: +44 1223 336827 Hills Road E-mail: rj...@cam.ac.uk Cambridge CB2 0XY, U.K. www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk -- Steven Chou
Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
I didn’t see the following solution in any other responses. It’s probably the most reasonable one given the constraints of collaboration and publishing. In the absence of using the best software, I found it practical to write the equations in MathType and save them as MathType PDF equations and then add these equations to the document. It is a portable, cross-platform-ish solution. Others only need to install a MathType player, which is free. The advantage is that if your equation gets hosed in the document, you still have the original, editable equation in the PDF. In such cases, you must re-embed it in your document, but it’s better than fully rewriting it. With that said, if you want to work behind a full-featured word processor and have access to the wonders of TeX typesetting, LibreOffice (OpenOffice) + TexMaths is the best for the author during preparation of a manuscript. At this point it is bug free (to my experience), embeds vector equations (SVG) or raster (PNG), is editable, and looks spectacular both when editing and when publishing/printing. The downside is that you have to collaborate with people you can’t force into using the best software. Worse, journals seem to use proprietary publishing software and they want MathType or equation editor with Microsoft word, hence my first solution. James On May 18, 2015, at 5:10 AM, Keller, Jacob kell...@janelia.hhmi.org wrote: There is the possibility of using one of the open-source versions, like openOffice, but those I guess also have their issues. JPK -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Randy Read Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:11 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac Rather off-topic, but maybe someone on the list has found a way to work around this! There's a problem with the Equation Editor in Office 2011 for Mac (i.e. the one that is based on a stripped-down version of MathType, which you get with Insert-Object-Microsoft Equation). You can insert an equation, re-open it and edit it several times, and then suddenly (and seemingly randomly) the equation object will be replaced by a picture showing the equation, which can no longer be edited. I'm writing a rather equation-heavy paper at the moment, and this is driving me crazy. This seems to be a known bug, which has existed from the release of Office 2011. Apparently it happens, unpredictably, when an AutoSave copy of the document is saved, so you can avoid it by turning off the AutoSave feature. The last time this drove me crazy, several years ago, I did try turning off AutoSave. For a while, I was very good about manually saving frequently, but I got into bad habits and eventually Word crashed after I had worked for several hours on a grant proposal without manually saving. So I turned AutoSave back on. At the moment, the least-bad solution seems to be to turn off AutoSave while I'm working on a document with lots of equations and then (hopefully) remember to turn it back on after that document is finished. But it would be great if someone has come up with a better cure for this problem. No doubt someone will suggest switching from Word to LaTeX, but I need to be able to collaborate on paper-writing, and even though I might be willing to invest the effort in learning LaTeX, I can't really expect that of my collaborators. Most people in our field do use Microsoft Word, regardless of its failings. I've also tried using the professional version of MathType, but that requires your collaborators to install it as well - and I don't think that cured the equation to picture problem anyway. Thanks! - Randy J. Read Department of Haematology, University of Cambridge Cambridge Institute for Medical ResearchTel: +44 1223 336500 Wellcome Trust/MRC Building Fax: +44 1223 336827 Hills RoadE-mail: rj...@cam.ac.uk Cambridge CB2 0XY, U.K. www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk
Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
Dear Randy et al, May I suggest Lyx, an open-source wysiwyg editor that outputs Latex. The interface is so much like other word processors that it is a snap to learn quickly and you get those Latex files with equations that journals, at least math and physics journals, like. Maybe you could get your colleagues to try it--I did even though I was sure I didn't want to learn Latex. I use it in Linux, where you do one of those configure-make-install-from-source- code installs. Here is the online info for using it on a mac: http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/Mac George Reeke On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 09:10 +0100, Randy Read wrote: Rather off-topic, but maybe someone on the list has found a way to work around this! There’s a problem with the Equation Editor in Office 2011 for Mac (i.e. the one that is based on a stripped-down version of MathType, which you get with Insert-Object-Microsoft Equation). You can insert an equation, re-open it and edit it several times, and then suddenly (and seemingly randomly) the equation object will be replaced by a picture showing the equation, which can no longer be edited. I’m writing a rather equation-heavy paper at the moment, and this is driving me crazy. This seems to be a known bug, which has existed from the release of Office 2011. Apparently it happens, unpredictably, when an AutoSave copy of the document is saved, so you can avoid it by turning off the AutoSave feature. The last time this drove me crazy, several years ago, I did try turning off AutoSave. For a while, I was very good about manually saving frequently, but I got into bad habits and eventually Word crashed after I had worked for several hours on a grant proposal without manually saving. So I turned AutoSave back on. At the moment, the least-bad solution seems to be to turn off AutoSave while I’m working on a document with lots of equations and then (hopefully) remember to turn it back on after that document is finished. But it would be great if someone has come up with a better cure for this problem. No doubt someone will suggest switching from Word to LaTeX, but I need to be able to collaborate on paper-writing, and even though I might be willing to invest the effort in learning LaTeX, I can’t really expect that of my collaborators. Most people in our field do use Microsoft Word, regardless of its failings. I’ve also tried using the professional version of MathType, but that requires your collaborators to install it as well — and I don’t think that cured the equation to picture problem anyway. Thanks! - Randy J. Read Department of Haematology, University of Cambridge Cambridge Institute for Medical ResearchTel: +44 1223 336500 Wellcome Trust/MRC Building Fax: +44 1223 336827 Hills RoadE-mail: rj...@cam.ac.uk Cambridge CB2 0XY, U.K. www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk
Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
Hi Randy, You could use a LyX--LaTeXiT--MS Word workflow to solve the equation editing issue without anyone learning LaTeX syntax. The LyX document with equations can be exported to a LaTeX *.tex file, and you can open this tex file in any text editor to copy the equations encoded in LaTeX syntax for pasting into the LaTeXiT gui. Alternatively, you can select and copy the equation in the LyX document and paste it directly into the LaTeXiT gui to get back the LaTeX encoding. LyX gui is very easy to start using productively without reading the manual. However, I do not know of a way to directly use ENDNOTE with LyX. I use LyX to assemble my early drafts, and then I move the draft into MS Word when I need to start adding citations. In MS Word 2011 on a Mac, it is painful to scroll through a large document (10 pages) with tables and figures, whereas a 1000 page document in LyX can be scrolled through in a flash. LyX has been used to assemble books. Best regards, Blaine Blaine Mooers, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Director of the Laboratory of Biomolecular Structure and Function Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center S.L. Young Biomedical Research Center Rm. 466 Shipping address: 975 NE 10th Street, BRC 466 Oklahoma City, OK 73104-5419 Letter address: P.O. Box 26901, BRC 466 Oklahoma City, OK 73190 office: (405) 271-8300 lab: (405) 271-8313 fax: (405) 271-3910 e-mail: blaine-moo...@ouhsc.edu Faculty webpage: http://www.oumedicine.com/department-of-biochemistry-and-molecular-biology/faculty/blaine-mooers-ph-d- Small Angle Scattering webpage: http://www.oumedicine.com/docs/default-source/ad-biochemistry-workfiles/small-angle-scattering-links-27aug2014.html?sfvrsn=0 X-ray lab webpage: http://www.oumedicine.com/department-of-biochemistry-and-molecular-biology/department-facilities/macromolecular-crystallography-laboratory From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of George Reeke [re...@mail.rockefeller.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:17 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac Dear Randy et al, May I suggest Lyx, an open-source wysiwyg editor that outputs Latex. The interface is so much like other word processors that it is a snap to learn quickly and you get those Latex files with equations that journals, at least math and physics journals, like. Maybe you could get your colleagues to try it--I did even though I was sure I didn't want to learn Latex. I use it in Linux, where you do one of those configure-make-install-from-source- code installs. Here is the online info for using it on a mac: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wiki.lyx.org_Mac_Macd=AwIFaQc=qRnFByZajCb3ogDwk-HidsbrxD-31vTsTBEIa6TCCEkr=39ovrj_9gtbpqLqHj52qObHez22uGBx1oHrj21rIdIIm=LcTP6vjD81n8gdU8pO7MO0O_G5V4cd6IYIjH5HR5LAQs=ZKNr8DjE1hiSYE6bjdgorDpAUWU_3gUFfRH9urzCZxIe= George Reeke On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 09:10 +0100, Randy Read wrote: Rather off-topic, but maybe someone on the list has found a way to work around this! There’s a problem with the Equation Editor in Office 2011 for Mac (i.e. the one that is based on a stripped-down version of MathType, which you get with Insert-Object-Microsoft Equation). You can insert an equation, re-open it and edit it several times, and then suddenly (and seemingly randomly) the equation object will be replaced by a picture showing the equation, which can no longer be edited. I’m writing a rather equation-heavy paper at the moment, and this is driving me crazy. This seems to be a known bug, which has existed from the release of Office 2011. Apparently it happens, unpredictably, when an AutoSave copy of the document is saved, so you can avoid it by turning off the AutoSave feature. The last time this drove me crazy, several years ago, I did try turning off AutoSave. For a while, I was very good about manually saving frequently, but I got into bad habits and eventually Word crashed after I had worked for several hours on a grant proposal without manually saving. So I turned AutoSave back on. At the moment, the least-bad solution seems to be to turn off AutoSave while I’m working on a document with lots of equations and then (hopefully) remember to turn it back on after that document is finished. But it would be great if someone has come up with a better cure for this problem. No doubt someone will suggest switching from Word to LaTeX, but I need to be able to collaborate on paper-writing, and even though I might be willing to invest the effort in learning LaTeX, I can’t really expect that of my collaborators. Most people in our field do use Microsoft Word, regardless of its failings. I’ve also tried using the professional version of MathType, but that requires your collaborators to install it as well — and I don’t think
Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
Hi All, what happened to Randy happened to me several times in the past, with one most remarkable example being editing the 47 page long text that were mostly formulas. While most responses so far suggest using latex or flavors thereof, I for one would still be using MS Word mostly because I find it impractical to convince collaborators to use something else. The only solution that works for me so far is being disciplined about this issue by periodically checking to make sure this trouble did not occur (which is annoying to say the least!). All the best, Pavel On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Randy Read rj...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Rather off-topic, but maybe someone on the list has found a way to work around this! There’s a problem with the Equation Editor in Office 2011 for Mac (i.e. the one that is based on a stripped-down version of MathType, which you get with Insert-Object-Microsoft Equation). You can insert an equation, re-open it and edit it several times, and then suddenly (and seemingly randomly) the equation object will be replaced by a picture showing the equation, which can no longer be edited. I’m writing a rather equation-heavy paper at the moment, and this is driving me crazy. This seems to be a known bug, which has existed from the release of Office 2011. Apparently it happens, unpredictably, when an AutoSave copy of the document is saved, so you can avoid it by turning off the AutoSave feature. The last time this drove me crazy, several years ago, I did try turning off AutoSave. For a while, I was very good about manually saving frequently, but I got into bad habits and eventually Word crashed after I had worked for several hours on a grant proposal without manually saving. So I turned AutoSave back on. At the moment, the least-bad solution seems to be to turn off AutoSave while I’m working on a document with lots of equations and then (hopefully) remember to turn it back on after that document is finished. But it would be great if someone has come up with a better cure for this problem. No doubt someone will suggest switching from Word to LaTeX, but I need to be able to collaborate on paper-writing, and even though I might be willing to invest the effort in learning LaTeX, I can’t really expect that of my collaborators. Most people in our field do use Microsoft Word, regardless of its failings. I’ve also tried using the professional version of MathType, but that requires your collaborators to install it as well — and I don’t think that cured the equation to picture problem anyway. Thanks! - Randy J. Read Department of Haematology, University of Cambridge Cambridge Institute for Medical ResearchTel: +44 1223 336500 Wellcome Trust/MRC Building Fax: +44 1223 336827 Hills Road E-mail: rj...@cam.ac.uk Cambridge CB2 0XY, U.K. www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk
Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
Certainly LyX is very nice for beginners, and yes you can start typing
without reading the manual (Although I do recommend reading the manual).
But there are lots of problems with compatibility (like Lyx 2.X cannot open
Lyx 1.6.x files or something like that). And sometimes if you do
\usepackage{whatever} in the preamble and that package was going to be
loaded by LyX, then you wil end up with a package clash... and there is
where the beginner gets lost. The citation manager that I like to use with
LyX (or LaTeX) is called Jabref (F5 to open the look for dialog; choose
database -pubmed; input pubmed id; click on import and generate key; and
finally with one button you can push that reference into LyX).
Why I like about sharelatex is that you can start by a minimum input,
others can watch you in real time...far away...and then they can be as good
..as you (limiting factor) in a couple of days.
2015-05-19 11:39 GMT-05:00 Mooers, Blaine H.M. (HSC)
blaine-moo...@ouhsc.edu:
Hi Randy,
You could use a LyX--LaTeXiT--MS Word workflow to solve the equation
editing issue without anyone learning LaTeX syntax.
The LyX document with equations can be exported to a LaTeX *.tex file,
and you can open this tex file in any text editor to copy the equations
encoded in LaTeX syntax for pasting into the LaTeXiT gui. Alternatively,
you can select and copy the equation in the LyX document and paste it
directly into the LaTeXiT gui to get back the LaTeX encoding.
LyX gui is very easy to start using productively without reading the
manual. However, I do not know of a way to directly use ENDNOTE with LyX. I
use LyX to assemble my early drafts, and then I move the draft into MS Word
when I need to start adding citations. In MS Word 2011 on a Mac, it is
painful to scroll through a large document (10 pages) with tables and
figures, whereas a 1000 page document in LyX can be scrolled through in a
flash. LyX has been used to assemble books.
Best regards,
Blaine
Blaine Mooers, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Director of the Laboratory of Biomolecular Structure and Function
Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center
S.L. Young Biomedical Research Center Rm. 466
Shipping address:
975 NE 10th Street, BRC 466
Oklahoma City, OK 73104-5419
Letter address:
P.O. Box 26901, BRC 466
Oklahoma City, OK 73190
office: (405) 271-8300 lab: (405) 271-8313 fax: (405) 271-3910
e-mail: blaine-moo...@ouhsc.edu
Faculty webpage:
http://www.oumedicine.com/department-of-biochemistry-and-molecular-biology/faculty/blaine-mooers-ph-d-
Small Angle Scattering webpage:
http://www.oumedicine.com/docs/default-source/ad-biochemistry-workfiles/small-angle-scattering-links-27aug2014.html?sfvrsn=0
X-ray lab webpage:
http://www.oumedicine.com/department-of-biochemistry-and-molecular-biology/department-facilities/macromolecular-crystallography-laboratory
From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of George
Reeke [re...@mail.rockefeller.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:17 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
Dear Randy et al,
May I suggest Lyx, an open-source wysiwyg editor that outputs
Latex. The interface is so much like other word processors that
it is a snap to learn quickly and you get those Latex files with
equations that journals, at least math and physics journals, like.
Maybe you could get your colleagues to try it--I did even though
I was sure I didn't want to learn Latex. I use it in Linux,
where you do one of those configure-make-install-from-source-
code installs. Here is the online info for using it on a mac:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wiki.lyx.org_Mac_Macd=AwIFaQc=qRnFByZajCb3ogDwk-HidsbrxD-31vTsTBEIa6TCCEkr=39ovrj_9gtbpqLqHj52qObHez22uGBx1oHrj21rIdIIm=LcTP6vjD81n8gdU8pO7MO0O_G5V4cd6IYIjH5HR5LAQs=ZKNr8DjE1hiSYE6bjdgorDpAUWU_3gUFfRH9urzCZxIe=
George Reeke
On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 09:10 +0100, Randy Read wrote:
Rather off-topic, but maybe someone on the list has found a way to work
around this!
There’s a problem with the Equation Editor in Office 2011 for Mac (i.e.
the one that is based on a stripped-down version of MathType, which you get
with Insert-Object-Microsoft Equation). You can insert an equation,
re-open it and edit it several times, and then suddenly (and seemingly
randomly) the equation object will be replaced by a picture showing the
equation, which can no longer be edited. I’m writing a rather
equation-heavy paper at the moment, and this is driving me crazy.
This seems to be a known bug, which has existed from the release of
Office 2011. Apparently it happens, unpredictably, when an AutoSave copy
of the document is saved, so you can avoid it by turning off the AutoSave
feature. The last time this drove me crazy, several years ago, I did try
turning off
Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
On May 18, 2015, at 4:31 AM, Nicolas Soler nso...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk wrote: You just have to learn the (easy) equation syntax or just use this: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/18172/tex-fog William G. Scott http://scottlab.ucsc.edu/~wgscott
Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
Hi Randy,
It's not ideal, but until the bug gets fixed or there's a more elegant
solution, could you just set up your own autosave?
It'd mean opening a terminal and running a command before starting, but if you
had a little script like the below running while you were working you'd at
least ensure you wouldn't lose too much work if something crashed:
#!/bin/bash
[[ $# -ne 1 ]] echo Usage: $0 path_to_file exit 1
while true;
do
cp $1 ${1}.bak
sleep 60
done
Best wishes,
Jens
From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Randy Read
[rj...@cam.ac.uk]
Sent: 18 May 2015 09:10
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
Rather off-topic, but maybe someone on the list has found a way to work around
this!
There’s a problem with the Equation Editor in Office 2011 for Mac (i.e. the one
that is based on a stripped-down version of MathType, which you get with
Insert-Object-Microsoft Equation). You can insert an equation, re-open it
and edit it several times, and then suddenly (and seemingly randomly) the
equation object will be replaced by a picture showing the equation, which can
no longer be edited. I’m writing a rather equation-heavy paper at the moment,
and this is driving me crazy.
This seems to be a known bug, which has existed from the release of Office
2011. Apparently it happens, unpredictably, when an AutoSave copy of the
document is saved, so you can avoid it by turning off the AutoSave feature.
The last time this drove me crazy, several years ago, I did try turning off
AutoSave. For a while, I was very good about manually saving frequently, but I
got into bad habits and eventually Word crashed after I had worked for several
hours on a grant proposal without manually saving. So I turned AutoSave back
on.
At the moment, the least-bad solution seems to be to turn off AutoSave while
I’m working on a document with lots of equations and then (hopefully) remember
to turn it back on after that document is finished. But it would be great if
someone has come up with a better cure for this problem.
No doubt someone will suggest switching from Word to LaTeX, but I need to be
able to collaborate on paper-writing, and even though I might be willing to
invest the effort in learning LaTeX, I can’t really expect that of my
collaborators. Most people in our field do use Microsoft Word, regardless of
its failings. I’ve also tried using the professional version of MathType, but
that requires your collaborators to install it as well — and I don’t think that
cured the equation to picture problem anyway.
Thanks!
-
Randy J. Read
Department of Haematology, University of Cambridge
Cambridge Institute for Medical ResearchTel: +44 1223 336500
Wellcome Trust/MRC Building Fax: +44 1223 336827
Hills RoadE-mail:
rj...@cam.ac.uk
Cambridge CB2 0XY, U.K.
www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk
Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
Hi Randy, I too suggest LaTeXiT. To add to what has already been suggested, LaTeXiT allows the assembly of a custom library of equations. You can send your collaborators this library as a file, and they could make minor edits to the equations in LaTexit gui editor without having to learn the full syntax of LaTeX. Minor edits would be self-explanatory to implement. Then they could export the edited equations for insertion into the current draft in MS Word. If they can't install LaTeXiT, you can send them the equations in the LaTeX format in a plain text file, and they could edit the equations in the LaTeXiT syntax, which can be deduced by comparing the syntax to the final equation. They could then return the edited plain text file to you for you to copy and paste into LaTeXiT. If that is too hard for them, they could always write out the edited equation on paper with a pen or pencil, scan it into a pdf, and e-mail it back to you for typesetting in LaTeXiT. An alternative would be to move the document into RMarkdown via RStudio (a gui interface to R) which is much easier to master than LaTeX while still having access to the LaTeX equation syntax. This document can be quickly converted (by knitting) to doc, pdf and html within the RStudio gui. The exported document might require additional editing if the conversion does not go well. If you are using ENDNOTE and not BibTeX for managing citations, the workflow may become more complicated. Best regards, Blaine Blaine Mooers, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Director of the Laboratory of Biomolecular Structure and Function Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center S.L. Young Biomedical Research Center Rm. 466 Shipping address: 975 NE 10th Street, BRC 466 Oklahoma City, OK 73104-5419 Letter address: P.O. Box 26901, BRC 466 Oklahoma City, OK 73190 office: (405) 271-8300 lab: (405) 271-8313 fax: (405) 271-3910 e-mail: blaine-moo...@ouhsc.edu Faculty webpage: http://www.oumedicine.com/department-of-biochemistry-and-molecular-biology/faculty/blaine-mooers-ph-d- Small Angle Scattering webpage: http://www.oumedicine.com/docs/default-source/ad-biochemistry-workfiles/small-angle-scattering-links-27aug2014.html?sfvrsn=0 X-ray lab webpage: http://www.oumedicine.com/department-of-biochemistry-and-molecular-biology/department-facilities/macromolecular-crystallography-laboratory From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Randy Read [rj...@cam.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 3:10 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac Rather off-topic, but maybe someone on the list has found a way to work around this! There’s a problem with the Equation Editor in Office 2011 for Mac (i.e. the one that is based on a stripped-down version of MathType, which you get with Insert-Object-Microsoft Equation). You can insert an equation, re-open it and edit it several times, and then suddenly (and seemingly randomly) the equation object will be replaced by a picture showing the equation, which can no longer be edited. I’m writing a rather equation-heavy paper at the moment, and this is driving me crazy. This seems to be a known bug, which has existed from the release of Office 2011. Apparently it happens, unpredictably, when an AutoSave copy of the document is saved, so you can avoid it by turning off the AutoSave feature. The last time this drove me crazy, several years ago, I did try turning off AutoSave. For a while, I was very good about manually saving frequently, but I got into bad habits and eventually Word crashed after I had worked for several hours on a grant proposal without manually saving. So I turned AutoSave back on. At the moment, the least-bad solution seems to be to turn off AutoSave while I’m working on a document with lots of equations and then (hopefully) remember to turn it back on after that document is finished. But it would be great if someone has come up with a better cure for this problem. No doubt someone will suggest switching from Word to LaTeX, but I need to be able to collaborate on paper-writing, and even though I might be willing to invest the effort in learning LaTeX, I can’t really expect that of my collaborators. Most people in our field do use Microsoft Word, regardless of its failings. I’ve also tried using the professional version of MathType, but that requires your collaborators to install it as well — and I don’t think that cured the equation to picture problem anyway. Thanks! - Randy J. Read Department of Haematology, University of Cambridge Cambridge Institute for Medical ResearchTel: +44 1223 336500 Wellcome Trust/MRC Building Fax: +44 1223 336827 Hills RoadE-mail: rj...@cam.ac.uk Cambridge CB2 0XY, U.K
[ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
Rather off-topic, but maybe someone on the list has found a way to work around this! There’s a problem with the Equation Editor in Office 2011 for Mac (i.e. the one that is based on a stripped-down version of MathType, which you get with Insert-Object-Microsoft Equation). You can insert an equation, re-open it and edit it several times, and then suddenly (and seemingly randomly) the equation object will be replaced by a picture showing the equation, which can no longer be edited. I’m writing a rather equation-heavy paper at the moment, and this is driving me crazy. This seems to be a known bug, which has existed from the release of Office 2011. Apparently it happens, unpredictably, when an AutoSave copy of the document is saved, so you can avoid it by turning off the AutoSave feature. The last time this drove me crazy, several years ago, I did try turning off AutoSave. For a while, I was very good about manually saving frequently, but I got into bad habits and eventually Word crashed after I had worked for several hours on a grant proposal without manually saving. So I turned AutoSave back on. At the moment, the least-bad solution seems to be to turn off AutoSave while I’m working on a document with lots of equations and then (hopefully) remember to turn it back on after that document is finished. But it would be great if someone has come up with a better cure for this problem. No doubt someone will suggest switching from Word to LaTeX, but I need to be able to collaborate on paper-writing, and even though I might be willing to invest the effort in learning LaTeX, I can’t really expect that of my collaborators. Most people in our field do use Microsoft Word, regardless of its failings. I’ve also tried using the professional version of MathType, but that requires your collaborators to install it as well — and I don’t think that cured the equation to picture problem anyway. Thanks! - Randy J. Read Department of Haematology, University of Cambridge Cambridge Institute for Medical ResearchTel: +44 1223 336500 Wellcome Trust/MRC Building Fax: +44 1223 336827 Hills RoadE-mail: rj...@cam.ac.uk Cambridge CB2 0XY, U.K. www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk
Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
sharelatex makes them learn latex, because they can see the output and
the input...
also they can play with lots of examples
2015-05-18 9:57 GMT-05:00 Thomas, Jens jens.tho...@liverpool.ac.uk:
Hi Randy,
It's not ideal, but until the bug gets fixed or there's a more elegant
solution, could you just set up your own autosave?
It'd mean opening a terminal and running a command before starting, but if
you had a little script like the below running while you were working you'd
at least ensure you wouldn't lose too much work if something crashed:
#!/bin/bash
[[ $# -ne 1 ]] echo Usage: $0 path_to_file exit 1
while true;
do
cp $1 ${1}.bak
sleep 60
done
Best wishes,
Jens
From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Randy Read
[rj...@cam.ac.uk]
Sent: 18 May 2015 09:10
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
Rather off-topic, but maybe someone on the list has found a way to work
around this!
There’s a problem with the Equation Editor in Office 2011 for Mac (i.e.
the one that is based on a stripped-down version of MathType, which you get
with Insert-Object-Microsoft Equation). You can insert an equation,
re-open it and edit it several times, and then suddenly (and seemingly
randomly) the equation object will be replaced by a picture showing the
equation, which can no longer be edited. I’m writing a rather
equation-heavy paper at the moment, and this is driving me crazy.
This seems to be a known bug, which has existed from the release of Office
2011. Apparently it happens, unpredictably, when an AutoSave copy of the
document is saved, so you can avoid it by turning off the AutoSave
feature. The last time this drove me crazy, several years ago, I did try
turning off AutoSave. For a while, I was very good about manually saving
frequently, but I got into bad habits and eventually Word crashed after I
had worked for several hours on a grant proposal without manually saving.
So I turned AutoSave back on.
At the moment, the least-bad solution seems to be to turn off AutoSave
while I’m working on a document with lots of equations and then (hopefully)
remember to turn it back on after that document is finished. But it would
be great if someone has come up with a better cure for this problem.
No doubt someone will suggest switching from Word to LaTeX, but I need to
be able to collaborate on paper-writing, and even though I might be willing
to invest the effort in learning LaTeX, I can’t really expect that of my
collaborators. Most people in our field do use Microsoft Word, regardless
of its failings. I’ve also tried using the professional version of
MathType, but that requires your collaborators to install it as well — and
I don’t think that cured the equation to picture problem anyway.
Thanks!
-
Randy J. Read
Department of Haematology, University of Cambridge
Cambridge Institute for Medical ResearchTel: +44 1223 336500
Wellcome Trust/MRC Building Fax: +44 1223 336827
Hills Road
E-mail: rj...@cam.ac.uk
Cambridge CB2 0XY, U.K.
www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk
Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
Of course, if you are working with a .docx instead of a .doc file in Word2011
for a Mac, you can always simply insert and “Equation” directly, rather than
the MathType version of Microsoft Equation under the “Insert/Objects” menu.
This seems to work fairly seamlessly, unless you convert the .docx document
back to .doc
P. Shing Ho, Ph.D.
Professor Chair
Biochemistry Molecular Biology
1870 Campus Delivery
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523-1870
970-491-0569 (phone)
From: Murpholino Peligro murpholi...@gmail.commailto:murpholi...@gmail.com
Reply-To: Murpholino Peligro
murpholi...@gmail.commailto:murpholi...@gmail.com
Date: Monday, May 18, 2015 at 12:12 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UKmailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UKmailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
sharelatex makes them learn latex, because they can see the output and the
input...
also they can play with lots of examples
2015-05-18 9:57 GMT-05:00 Thomas, Jens
jens.tho...@liverpool.ac.ukmailto:jens.tho...@liverpool.ac.uk:
Hi Randy,
It's not ideal, but until the bug gets fixed or there's a more elegant
solution, could you just set up your own autosave?
It'd mean opening a terminal and running a command before starting, but if you
had a little script like the below running while you were working you'd at
least ensure you wouldn't lose too much work if something crashed:
#!/bin/bash
[[ $# -ne 1 ]] echo Usage: $0 path_to_file exit 1
while true;
do
cp $1 ${1}.bak
sleep 60
done
Best wishes,
Jens
From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UKmailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK]
on behalf of Randy Read [rj...@cam.ac.ukmailto:rj...@cam.ac.uk]
Sent: 18 May 2015 09:10
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UKmailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
Rather off-topic, but maybe someone on the list has found a way to work around
this!
There’s a problem with the Equation Editor in Office 2011 for Mac (i.e. the one
that is based on a stripped-down version of MathType, which you get with
Insert-Object-Microsoft Equation). You can insert an equation, re-open it
and edit it several times, and then suddenly (and seemingly randomly) the
equation object will be replaced by a picture showing the equation, which can
no longer be edited. I’m writing a rather equation-heavy paper at the moment,
and this is driving me crazy.
This seems to be a known bug, which has existed from the release of Office
2011. Apparently it happens, unpredictably, when an AutoSave copy of the
document is saved, so you can avoid it by turning off the AutoSave feature.
The last time this drove me crazy, several years ago, I did try turning off
AutoSave. For a while, I was very good about manually saving frequently, but I
got into bad habits and eventually Word crashed after I had worked for several
hours on a grant proposal without manually saving. So I turned AutoSave back
on.
At the moment, the least-bad solution seems to be to turn off AutoSave while
I’m working on a document with lots of equations and then (hopefully) remember
to turn it back on after that document is finished. But it would be great if
someone has come up with a better cure for this problem.
No doubt someone will suggest switching from Word to LaTeX, but I need to be
able to collaborate on paper-writing, and even though I might be willing to
invest the effort in learning LaTeX, I can’t really expect that of my
collaborators. Most people in our field do use Microsoft Word, regardless of
its failings. I’ve also tried using the professional version of MathType, but
that requires your collaborators to install it as well — and I don’t think that
cured the equation to picture problem anyway.
Thanks!
-
Randy J. Read
Department of Haematology, University of Cambridge
Cambridge Institute for Medical ResearchTel: +44 1223 336500
Wellcome Trust/MRC Building Fax: +44 1223 336827
Hills RoadE-mail:
rj...@cam.ac.ukmailto:rj...@cam.ac.uk
Cambridge CB2 0XY, U.K.
www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.ukhttp://www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk
Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
Hi Randy, You could try the beta version of the forthcoming version of Word and see if the bug is fixed. Obviously, it is a beta version and therefore a bit risky but it installs along side the current version and I’ve been trying it on my laptop without issue so far. One improvement for me is that this version of Word now uses the Mac’s in built special character palette and we use a lot of Greek characters. This works a lot better than symbol browser in the current version of Word where we still see some of the greek characters getting screwed up when saving as PDF or sharing with a Window’s PC. One thing to watch is that the beta version .docx format has changed so you should be careful to save as compatible with Office 2011. https://products.office.com/en-us/mac/mac-preview https://products.office.com/en-us/mac/mac-preview Regards MGM Martin G Montgomery ATP Synthase Group MRC Mitochondrial Biology Unit Wellcome Trust/MRC Building Cambridge Biomedical Campus Hills Road Cambridge Great Britain CB2 0XY www.mrc-mbu.cam.ac.uk On 18 May 2015, at 09:10, Randy Read rj...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Rather off-topic, but maybe someone on the list has found a way to work around this! There’s a problem with the Equation Editor in Office 2011 for Mac (i.e. the one that is based on a stripped-down version of MathType, which you get with Insert-Object-Microsoft Equation). You can insert an equation, re-open it and edit it several times, and then suddenly (and seemingly randomly) the equation object will be replaced by a picture showing the equation, which can no longer be edited. I’m writing a rather equation-heavy paper at the moment, and this is driving me crazy. This seems to be a known bug, which has existed from the release of Office 2011. Apparently it happens, unpredictably, when an AutoSave copy of the document is saved, so you can avoid it by turning off the AutoSave feature. The last time this drove me crazy, several years ago, I did try turning off AutoSave. For a while, I was very good about manually saving frequently, but I got into bad habits and eventually Word crashed after I had worked for several hours on a grant proposal without manually saving. So I turned AutoSave back on. At the moment, the least-bad solution seems to be to turn off AutoSave while I’m working on a document with lots of equations and then (hopefully) remember to turn it back on after that document is finished. But it would be great if someone has come up with a better cure for this problem. No doubt someone will suggest switching from Word to LaTeX, but I need to be able to collaborate on paper-writing, and even though I might be willing to invest the effort in learning LaTeX, I can’t really expect that of my collaborators. Most people in our field do use Microsoft Word, regardless of its failings. I’ve also tried using the professional version of MathType, but that requires your collaborators to install it as well — and I don’t think that cured the equation to picture problem anyway. Thanks! - Randy J. Read Department of Haematology, University of Cambridge Cambridge Institute for Medical ResearchTel: +44 1223 336500 Wellcome Trust/MRC Building Fax: +44 1223 336827 Hills RoadE-mail: rj...@cam.ac.uk Cambridge CB2 0XY, U.K. www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk
Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
There is the possibility of using one of the open-source versions, like openOffice, but those I guess also have their issues. JPK -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Randy Read Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:11 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac Rather off-topic, but maybe someone on the list has found a way to work around this! There's a problem with the Equation Editor in Office 2011 for Mac (i.e. the one that is based on a stripped-down version of MathType, which you get with Insert-Object-Microsoft Equation). You can insert an equation, re-open it and edit it several times, and then suddenly (and seemingly randomly) the equation object will be replaced by a picture showing the equation, which can no longer be edited. I'm writing a rather equation-heavy paper at the moment, and this is driving me crazy. This seems to be a known bug, which has existed from the release of Office 2011. Apparently it happens, unpredictably, when an AutoSave copy of the document is saved, so you can avoid it by turning off the AutoSave feature. The last time this drove me crazy, several years ago, I did try turning off AutoSave. For a while, I was very good about manually saving frequently, but I got into bad habits and eventually Word crashed after I had worked for several hours on a grant proposal without manually saving. So I turned AutoSave back on. At the moment, the least-bad solution seems to be to turn off AutoSave while I'm working on a document with lots of equations and then (hopefully) remember to turn it back on after that document is finished. But it would be great if someone has come up with a better cure for this problem. No doubt someone will suggest switching from Word to LaTeX, but I need to be able to collaborate on paper-writing, and even though I might be willing to invest the effort in learning LaTeX, I can't really expect that of my collaborators. Most people in our field do use Microsoft Word, regardless of its failings. I've also tried using the professional version of MathType, but that requires your collaborators to install it as well - and I don't think that cured the equation to picture problem anyway. Thanks! - Randy J. Read Department of Haematology, University of Cambridge Cambridge Institute for Medical ResearchTel: +44 1223 336500 Wellcome Trust/MRC Building Fax: +44 1223 336827 Hills RoadE-mail: rj...@cam.ac.uk Cambridge CB2 0XY, U.K. www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk
Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
Do your collaborators need to edit the equations? If not you can use LaTeXiT (sorry I'm that person!) which allows you to write your equation in LaTeX then export directly into word as a pdf. Link below.. http://www.chachatelier.fr/latexit/ Regards, Jonathan Davies PhD Student Department of Biology and Biochemistry University of Bath On 18/05/15 09:10, Randy Read wrote: Rather off-topic, but maybe someone on the list has found a way to work around this! There’s a problem with the Equation Editor in Office 2011 for Mac (i.e. the one that is based on a stripped-down version of MathType, which you get with Insert-Object-Microsoft Equation). You can insert an equation, re-open it and edit it several times, and then suddenly (and seemingly randomly) the equation object will be replaced by a picture showing the equation, which can no longer be edited. I’m writing a rather equation-heavy paper at the moment, and this is driving me crazy. This seems to be a known bug, which has existed from the release of Office 2011. Apparently it happens, unpredictably, when an AutoSave copy of the document is saved, so you can avoid it by turning off the AutoSave feature. The last time this drove me crazy, several years ago, I did try turning off AutoSave. For a while, I was very good about manually saving frequently, but I got into bad habits and eventually Word crashed after I had worked for several hours on a grant proposal without manually saving. So I turned AutoSave back on. At the moment, the least-bad solution seems to be to turn off AutoSave while I’m working on a document with lots of equations and then (hopefully) remember to turn it back on after that document is finished. But it would be great if someone has come up with a better cure for this problem. No doubt someone will suggest switching from Word to LaTeX, but I need to be able to collaborate on paper-writing, and even though I might be willing to invest the effort in learning LaTeX, I can’t really expect that of my collaborators. Most people in our field do use Microsoft Word, regardless of its failings. I’ve also tried using the professional version of MathType, but that requires your collaborators to install it as well — and I don’t think that cured the equation to picture problem anyway. Thanks! - Randy J. Read Department of Haematology, University of Cambridge Cambridge Institute for Medical ResearchTel: +44 1223 336500 Wellcome Trust/MRC Building Fax: +44 1223 336827 Hills RoadE-mail: rj...@cam.ac.uk Cambridge CB2 0XY, U.K. www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk
Re: [ccp4bb] Equation Editor woes with Office 2011 for Mac
Hi Randy, although learning Latex as a whole can for sure be time-consuming, an alternative solution is to use a Latex equation editor like Latexit. You just have to learn the (easy) equation syntax and then you can drag and drop the formatted result into Word or Page, it's rock solid : http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/17889/latexit Hope that helps, Nicolas Le 18/05/15 09:10, Randy Read a écrit : Rather off-topic, but maybe someone on the list has found a way to work around this! There’s a problem with the Equation Editor in Office 2011 for Mac (i.e. the one that is based on a stripped-down version of MathType, which you get with Insert-Object-Microsoft Equation). You can insert an equation, re-open it and edit it several times, and then suddenly (and seemingly randomly) the equation object will be replaced by a picture showing the equation, which can no longer be edited. I’m writing a rather equation-heavy paper at the moment, and this is driving me crazy. This seems to be a known bug, which has existed from the release of Office 2011. Apparently it happens, unpredictably, when an AutoSave copy of the document is saved, so you can avoid it by turning off the AutoSave feature. The last time this drove me crazy, several years ago, I did try turning off AutoSave. For a while, I was very good about manually saving frequently, but I got into bad habits and eventually Word crashed after I had worked for several hours on a grant proposal without manually saving. So I turned AutoSave back on. At the moment, the least-bad solution seems to be to turn off AutoSave while I’m working on a document with lots of equations and then (hopefully) remember to turn it back on after that document is finished. But it would be great if someone has come up with a better cure for this problem. No doubt someone will suggest switching from Word to LaTeX, but I need to be able to collaborate on paper-writing, and even though I might be willing to invest the effort in learning LaTeX, I can’t really expect that of my collaborators. Most people in our field do use Microsoft Word, regardless of its failings. I’ve also tried using the professional version of MathType, but that requires your collaborators to install it as well — and I don’t think that cured the equation to picture problem anyway. Thanks! - Randy J. Read Department of Haematology, University of Cambridge Cambridge Institute for Medical ResearchTel: +44 1223 336500 Wellcome Trust/MRC Building Fax: +44 1223 336827 Hills RoadE-mail: rj...@cam.ac.uk Cambridge CB2 0XY, U.K. www-structmed.cimr.cam.ac.uk -- Nicolas Soler Roger Williams group, PNAC MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology Francis Crick Avenue Cambridge CB2 0QH United Kingdom phone : +44(0) 1223 26 76 20 mail : nso...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
