[ccp4bb] Helix alignment and movement

2014-05-13 Thread R. M. Garavito
Dear Eugene and other CCP4ers

The recent discussion about superposition has prompted me to ask about a 
different kind of superposition problem.  We are working on a small dimeric 
protein that is entirely made up of helices.  Instead of large, concerted 
domain movements, which I am quite familiar with, we have 3 structures for the 
dimer that display slightly, but significantly different helical conformations. 
 I have been able to find the minimal substructure that allows the best 
superposition (lowest RSMD and maximum number of aligned/superimposed C-alphas).

The problem is that none of the superposition programs available outputs a list 
of residue by residue deviations OUTSIDE of the alignment set (for good reason 
as there may not be 1 to 1 correspondence outside of this set).  I can do some 
of this in a piecemeal fashion with Moleman2, but not everything I want.  My 
question is, after creating an optimal structural alignment, are there newer 
programs that:

(1) Create a list of residue by residue deviations over different subsets of 
the structure, particularly OUTSIDE of an alignment set? 

(2) Localize and measure movement of secondary structure (helix tilt or 
bending)?

I can't seem to find what I need, but I may not be searching with the right key 
words.

Thanks,

Michael


R. Michael Garavito, Ph.D.
Professor of Biochemistry  Molecular Biology
603 Wilson Rd., Rm. 513   
Michigan State University  
East Lansing, MI 48824-1319
Office:  (517) 355-9724 Lab:  (517) 353-9125
FAX:  (517) 353-9334Email:  rmgarav...@gmail.com





On May 11, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Eugene Krissinel eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk 
wrote:

 My guess is that only atom pairs that are superposed to some measure of 
 distance between them, are output. Can't say that I checked lsqkab code this 
 weekend, but documentation does not suggest anything like that.
 
 Is this a problem for you? note that you can use other aligners/superposers 
 in CCP4, ssm or Gesamt which will output all coordinates.
 
 Eugene
 



Re: [ccp4bb] Helix alignment and movement

2014-05-13 Thread Andrew Leslie
Dear Mike,

   I think that the old CCP4 superpose program used to be 
able to do this ? (This was a FORTRAN program, based on code from Wayne 
Hendrickson's PROLSQ program). With this program you specify one set of 
residues to do the alignment with and another set to do the statistics on 
(after alignment).

I don't know if this is still in the CCP4 archive somewhere, but I do have a 
copy of the source code that I could let you have.

Best wishes,
Andrew

On 13 May 2014, at 14:59, R. M. Garavito rmgarav...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Eugene and other CCP4ers
 
 The recent discussion about superposition has prompted me to ask about a 
 different kind of superposition problem.  We are working on a small dimeric 
 protein that is entirely made up of helices.  Instead of large, concerted 
 domain movements, which I am quite familiar with, we have 3 structures for 
 the dimer that display slightly, but significantly different helical 
 conformations.  I have been able to find the minimal substructure that allows 
 the best superposition (lowest RSMD and maximum number of 
 aligned/superimposed C-alphas).
 
 The problem is that none of the superposition programs available outputs a 
 list of residue by residue deviations OUTSIDE of the alignment set (for good 
 reason as there may not be 1 to 1 correspondence outside of this set).  I can 
 do some of this in a piecemeal fashion with Moleman2, but not everything I 
 want.  My question is, after creating an optimal structural alignment, are 
 there newer programs that:
 
 (1) Create a list of residue by residue deviations over different subsets of 
 the structure, particularly OUTSIDE of an alignment set? 
 
 (2) Localize and measure movement of secondary structure (helix tilt or 
 bending)?
 
 I can't seem to find what I need, but I may not be searching with the right 
 key words.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Michael
 
 
 R. Michael Garavito, Ph.D.
 Professor of Biochemistry  Molecular Biology
 603 Wilson Rd., Rm. 513   
 Michigan State University  
 East Lansing, MI 48824-1319
 Office:  (517) 355-9724 Lab:  (517) 353-9125
 FAX:  (517) 353-9334Email:  rmgarav...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
 
 On May 11, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Eugene Krissinel eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk 
 wrote:
 
 My guess is that only atom pairs that are superposed to some measure of 
 distance between them, are output. Can't say that I checked lsqkab code this 
 weekend, but documentation does not suggest anything like that.
 
 Is this a problem for you? note that you can use other aligners/superposers 
 in CCP4, ssm or Gesamt which will output all coordinates.
 
 Eugene