Re: [ccp4bb] R32 data

2008-10-02 Thread Peter Zwart
Hi Josiah,

The primitive cell is what is important.  The primitive cells for C2
and R32:H are the same as the P1 cell you report:

(using  phenix.explore_metric_symmetry)

R32:H Niggli cell: (81.728198520053866, 81.728198520053866,
81.728198520053866, 84.166443879693517, 84.166443879693517,
84.166443879693517)
C2 Niggli cell: (81.5370006, 81.567520633215281,
81.567520633215281, 84.147871626167259, 84.163573178668059,
84.163573178668059)

Twinning, pseudo symmetry etc etc can all be possible, even if
intensity statistics indicate that things are fine.

P




2008/10/2 Josiah Obiero [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Dear all,

 I have set of data (~2.7A). After indexing, HKL2000 suggests a
 rhombohedral space group or C centered monoclinic space group. I tried
 molecular replacement with R32 ( 109.55 109.55 155.28 90.00 90.00
 120.00) and C2 (121.092   109.31581.53790.00097.874
 90.000) (both have good merging statistics), but did not get any
 solution. I also tried P1 ( 81.55381.52781.52384.202
 84.13284.156) but did get any solution ( wt structure is known and
 the only difference with the wt structure is that the new structure is
 complexed with a smaller protein). I expect that there'll be some
 domain movement so searched for individual domains in phaser.

 The self rotation function in P1 showed both two fold and three fold
 peaks but they were both off the centre. The data does not appear to be
 twinned. I am curious to know if it is normal for cell dimensions to
 drastically vary from one space group to another. I am running out of
 ideas, could I be dealing with a wrong space group or pseudosymetry?

 Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 Thanks.

 Josiah.




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[ccp4bb] R32 data

2008-10-01 Thread Josiah Obiero
Dear all,

I have set of data (~2.7A). After indexing, HKL2000 suggests a 
rhombohedral space group or C centered monoclinic space group. I tried 
molecular replacement with R32 ( 109.55 109.55 155.28 90.00 90.00 
120.00) and C2 (121.092   109.31581.53790.00097.874
90.000) (both have good merging statistics), but did not get any 
solution. I also tried P1 ( 81.55381.52781.52384.202
84.13284.156) but did get any solution ( wt structure is known and 
the only difference with the wt structure is that the new structure is 
complexed with a smaller protein). I expect that there'll be some 
domain movement so searched for individual domains in phaser.

The self rotation function in P1 showed both two fold and three fold 
peaks but they were both off the centre. The data does not appear to be 
twinned. I am curious to know if it is normal for cell dimensions to 
drastically vary from one space group to another. I am running out of 
ideas, could I be dealing with a wrong space group or pseudosymetry?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Josiah.