[ccp4bb] depositing PDB files from refmac

2014-02-04 Thread Laurent Maveyraud

Good morning CCP4 list

I am trying to deposit structures refined with refmac (latest version 
5.8.0049, windows seven), and I have two issues raised at the validation 
step :


1) there are chain breaks in my protein (for disordered loops). Refmac 
adds a LINKR record for the description of the break. These are rejected 
at the validatin step : they are not recognized as valid.
If I remove them (and add the TER record at the end of each chain that 
refmac keeps removing), I have a warning since residues 154 and 160 are 
not properly linked
I didn't find anything for the appropriate description of chain breaks 
in the descriptin of the PDB format.


2) the R/Rfactor computed by the validation server (either sfcheck or 
refmac) are quite high : my refinement run gives me 0.188/0.220 when the 
PDB gives 0.24/0.264 (sfcheck) or 0.20/0.23 (refmac). And, indeed, if I 
feed to refmac the refined structure it has just produced, I get more or 
less the same R/Rfree than the PDB.
I do use TLS refinement (1 TLS group per chain, 6 chains with NCS), and 
input them as fixed TLS parameters. TLS contributin is added to Bfactors 
and ANISOU lines).


How could I handle this properly ? Or should I just ignore this ?
thaks !

laurent




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Re: [ccp4bb] depositing PDB files from refmac

2014-02-04 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Laurent,

1) Refmac mentions gaps explicitly in the LINK records, the PDB does it in a
REMARK record (by comparing the atom records to the sequence of your
crystallised construct). If you just remove the gap-LINKs before deposition
(without adding TER records) it should work. 

2) First of all you have to make sure you deposit your raw reflection file
(i.e. NOT the output from Refmac). Also anytime you run Refmac, you should
start from the same reflection file. If this is not the source of the
problem then you can look at other things. 
What happens after the 0-th refinement cycle when you rerun your model
through Refmac? Do R and R-free go down to your previous values? This
sometimes happens and has something to do either with the solvent treatment
or with scaling. As long as you deposit the total B-factors after TLS (in
the form of ANISOU records) and have a proper description of any special
refinement settings (twinning, non-default solvent mask parameters) in the
header of the PDB file you deposit, you can ignore the problem.

HTH,
Robbie

http://www.cmbi.ru.nl/pdb_redo
http://xtal.nki.nl/PDB_REDO


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 Laurent Maveyraud
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 Subject: [ccp4bb] depositing PDB files from refmac
 
 Good morning CCP4 list
 
 I am trying to deposit structures refined with refmac (latest version
5.8.0049,
 windows seven), and I have two issues raised at the validation step :
 
 1) there are chain breaks in my protein (for disordered loops). Refmac
adds a
 LINKR record for the description of the break. These are rejected at the
 validatin step : they are not recognized as valid.
 If I remove them (and add the TER record at the end of each chain that
 refmac keeps removing), I have a warning since residues 154 and 160 are
not
 properly linked
 I didn't find anything for the appropriate description of chain breaks in
the
 descriptin of the PDB format.
 
 2) the R/Rfactor computed by the validation server (either sfcheck or
 refmac) are quite high : my refinement run gives me 0.188/0.220 when the
 PDB gives 0.24/0.264 (sfcheck) or 0.20/0.23 (refmac). And, indeed, if I
feed to
 refmac the refined structure it has just produced, I get more or less the
same
 R/Rfree than the PDB.
 I do use TLS refinement (1 TLS group per chain, 6 chains with NCS), and
input
 them as fixed TLS parameters. TLS contributin is added to Bfactors and
 ANISOU lines).
 
 How could I handle this properly ? Or should I just ignore this ?
 thaks !
 
 laurent
 
 
 
 
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 Laurent Maveyraud laurent.maveyraud AT ipbs DOT fr
 P I C T   ---  Plateforme Intégrée de Criblage de Toulouse
 Université  Paul  Sabatier /  CNRS  /  I.P.B.S.  UMR  5089
 Département BiologieStructurale   et   Biophysique
 http://cribligand.ipbs.fr   http://www.ipbs.fr
 205 route de Narbonne  31077 TOULOUSE Cedex FRANCE
 Tél: +33 (0)561 175 435   Fax : +33 (0)561 175 994
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