[cctalk] Re: Overland Data Depot4 application
On 2/7/24 21:51, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote: Greetings! Based on the comment in a message posted last fall, I downloaded and installed the Overland Data Depot4 software that was mentioned during a discussion of SCSI tape tools. But so far I've been stumped in getting it to work. Basic system is a freshly set up Win98SE and an Adaptec 1522 SCSI board connected to a Qualstar 9track. Depot4 installs and runs without issue but when I try to point it at the ASPI drivers it fails to recognize anything. Any suggestions on where to look or what to tweak would be seriously appreciated! Steve I have all types of the original Overland Pertec controllers and none were SCSI. There were drivers for those controllers, but nothing for any generic thing like ASPI that I encountered. If this is for their tape libraries, that is way after my time. Their utilities were great, handling a lot of scenarios and letting you configure for a lot of situations to save having to code and break up records yourself. Not much use I guess, but Depot goes to the original programmed I/O, ATA, and PCI controllers. thanks Jim
[cctalk] Re: Overland Data Depot4 application
On 2024-02-08 05:16, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: On 2/7/24 21:51, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote: Greetings! Based on the comment in a message posted last fall, I downloaded and installed the Overland Data Depot4 software that was mentioned during a discussion of SCSI tape tools. But so far I've been stumped in getting it to work. Basic system is a freshly set up Win98SE and an Adaptec 1522 SCSI board connected to a Qualstar 9track. Depot4 installs and runs without issue but when I try to point it at the ASPI drivers it fails to recognize anything. Any suggestions on where to look or what to tweak would be seriously appreciated! Steve I have all types of the original Overland Pertec controllers and none were SCSI. There were drivers for those controllers, but nothing for any generic thing like ASPI that I encountered. If this is for their tape libraries, that is way after my time. Their utilities were great, handling a lot of scenarios and letting you configure for a lot of situations to save having to code and break up records yourself. Not much use I guess, but Depot goes to the original programmed I/O, ATA, and PCI controllers. thanks Jim Maybe you dont know, but all the Qualstars I've met, are basically Pertec. I've run some 1052's on Overland software. The 34xx series has a SCSI - Pertec interface, so if you remove this board, you have a Pertec drive. Thanks' Nico
[cctalk] Re: Overland Data Depot4 application
I have a Qualstar 3412 that I've used with Depot4. I last used this on a 386 running DOS 6.22, a Trantor SCSI card and SCSIWorks! as the ASPI driver. Travis On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 12:14 AM Nico de Jong via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> Based on the comment in a message posted last fall, I downloaded and > >> installed the Overland Data Depot4 software that was mentioned during > >> a discussion of SCSI tape tools. But so far I've been stumped in > >> getting it to work. Basic system is a freshly set up Win98SE and an > >> Adaptec 1522 SCSI board connected to a Qualstar 9track. Depot4 > >> installs and runs without issue but when I try to point it at the > >> ASPI drivers it fails to recognize anything. Any suggestions on > >> where to look or what to tweak would be seriously appreciated! > > > The 34xx series has a SCSI - Pertec interface, so if you remove this > board, you have a Pertec drive. > > Thanks' > > Nico > > >
[cctalk] Re: Overland Data Depot4 application
On 2/7/24 22:59, Nico de Jong via cctalk wrote: > > Maybe you dont know, but all the Qualstars I've met, are basically > Pertec. I've run some 1052's on Overland software. > I have a 1260S that's a SCSI interface. The 1052 was also available with a SCSI interface. Basically a 1260 or 1052 with a Pertec-to-SCSI adapter installed. I also have a (disintegrating) Overland drive that's Pertec and printer interface. --Chuck
[cctalk] Re: Overland Data Depot4 application
On 2/8/24 00:59, Nico de Jong via cctalk wrote: Maybe you dont know, but all the Qualstars I've met, are basically Pertec. I've run some 1052's on Overland software. The 34xx series has a SCSI - Pertec interface, so if you remove this board, you have a Pertec drive. Thanks' Nico Thanks, Nico. I have both the Pertec and the SCSI 1052 and 1260. I know inside there is a SCSI converter. FWIW there is a SCSI to pertec on both Kennedy and Cipher drives which will run Pertec when you pull off the SCSI adapter on the back as well. I have a system called Pick which some here know, and have Pertec 9 track software to allow the PC version R83 to access Pertec half inch drives, FWIW. At the early stages we met with the founders in San Diego about their designs as well (Overland). A friend developed and marketed the Pick product with our engineering help. Thanks for noting about the Qualstars. I have a skid of a mixture of Cipher, IBM, Qualstar, M4 and some 100X rack mount as well as CDC. I haven't gotten into the mode of seeing if they still work, but "they did from 10 to 40 years ago". thanks Jim
[cctalk] Re: Overland Data Depot4 application
Would you consider parting with it? I've actually got the 1052S up and working with the Depot4 software but I'm still looking for a 6250 unit. Steve On 2/8/24 8:22 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 2/7/24 22:59, Nico de Jong via cctalk wrote: Maybe you dont know, but all the Qualstars I've met, are basically Pertec. I've run some 1052's on Overland software. I have a 1260S that's a SCSI interface. The 1052 was also available with a SCSI interface. Basically a 1260 or 1052 with a Pertec-to-SCSI adapter installed. I also have a (disintegrating) Overland drive that's Pertec and printer interface. --Chuck
[cctalk] Re: Overland Data Depot4 application
Thanks for the comments and suggestions! The issue turned out to be an ASPI config problem in the startup files. Depot4 fired right up once it saw the ASPI driver. Steve On 2/9/24 7:26 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: On 2/8/24 00:59, Nico de Jong via cctalk wrote: Maybe you dont know, but all the Qualstars I've met, are basically Pertec. I've run some 1052's on Overland software. The 34xx series has a SCSI - Pertec interface, so if you remove this board, you have a Pertec drive. Thanks' Nico Thanks, Nico. I have both the Pertec and the SCSI 1052 and 1260. I know inside there is a SCSI converter. FWIW there is a SCSI to pertec on both Kennedy and Cipher drives which will run Pertec when you pull off the SCSI adapter on the back as well. I have a system called Pick which some here know, and have Pertec 9 track software to allow the PC version R83 to access Pertec half inch drives, FWIW. At the early stages we met with the founders in San Diego about their designs as well (Overland). A friend developed and marketed the Pick product with our engineering help. Thanks for noting about the Qualstars. I have a skid of a mixture of Cipher, IBM, Qualstar, M4 and some 100X rack mount as well as CDC. I haven't gotten into the mode of seeing if they still work, but "they did from 10 to 40 years ago". thanks Jim
[cctalk] Re: Overland Data Depot4 application
On 2/23/24 20:32, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote: > Would you consider parting with it? I've actually got the 1052S up and > working with the Depot4 software but I'm still looking for a 6250 unit. > Hi Steve, I might consider a trade, but to be perfectly frank, I don't think you'd like it. At 6250, the tape speed is slow, slow slow and really isn't fast enough to generate a reliable signal in the read head. You need an almnost-perfect tape for it to work. At least that's my experience. I use the drive mostly for spot checks on tapes,rather than for archiving. The SCSI controller has a 256KB buffer and will shoeshine things to death if it can't get a solid read. I recommend a good drive; an M4, Cipher, HP, Fujitsu, CDC etc. The Qualstar is too much of a dog walking on its hind legs, if you catch my drift. All the best, Chuck
