Re: oh, this is great news!

[Tomasz Rola via cctalk]

On Fri, Sep 01, 2017 at 02:37:19PM -0500, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> 
[...]
> >
> > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on 
mx2.ezwind.net
> > X-Spam-Flag: YES
> > X-Spam-Level: 
> >
> > So, why it was passed and not simply bit-bucketed is a mystery to me.
> >
> >
> > --Chuck
> >
> 
> Strangely, the original message went through Gmail just fine, but your
> reply (Chuck) is flagged as spam.
> 
> -- 
> Eric Christopherson

Actually, in my mbox the message from Chuck (message id:
<82445620-73b1-af30-2e1d-3317d7aab...@sydex.com>) is tagged as not
spam. What really happened, I think gog has their own spam solution,
and a little bit wonky one, so it interpreted part of Chuck's msgbody
as part of msgheader, because it is/was part of some header and had
been inserted into the body as it was, i.e. without leading space,
hash, bang or anything, which could distinguish it as a not-header
(see above, I have marked those lines with quad hashes, then see the
body of Chuck's message).

Of course other programs were able to understand that once header
ends, the rest is a message body. Maybe they did one sort too many and
thus part of body has got where only header lines were supposed to
go. I smell hashtable packed with lines, or something that similarly
anonymises the origin of text parts.

Hard to believe I spent so much time on writing this, given that it is
going to be lost as offtopic and generally "not our problem" (well,
not mine, but if I ever process email with my own code, this one is
good to remember - some people deliberately insert header lines into
their body).

-- 
Regards,
Tomasz Rola

--
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** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home**
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened...  **
** **
** Tomasz Rola  mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **

Re: oh, this is great news!

[geneb via cctalk]

On Fri, 1 Sep 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:


complaint over at godaddy.com's hosting forums.


There's your problem.  It's the cost of hosting with that dumpster fire
known as "godaddy".

g.

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Re: oh, this is great news!

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 09/01/2017 12:37 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote:

> 
> Strangely, the original message went through Gmail just fine, but your
> reply (Chuck) is flagged as spam.

I have no idea of what's going on--best to whitelist me if you want to
see my posts--OTOH, maybe not. :)

I've noticed that some of the mail spam classifying services (DNSBL for
example) automatically dun a whole domain.  Since I relay my mail
through secureserver.net, that means that the thousands of people who
use the secureserver domain get slammed as spam.  It's a very common
complaint over at godaddy.com's hosting forums.

Spam, unfortunately, like junk calls and telemarketers is getting
smarter.The folks at paypal.com report that over 95% of all email is
spam.

The price of progress?


--Chuck

Re: oh, this is great news!

[Eric Christopherson via cctalk]

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 09/01/2017 10:26 AM, Kip Koon via cctalk wrote:
> > What is it that is great news.  This is all I received.
> >
> > Kip Koon
> > computer...@sc.rr.com
> > http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/User:Computerdoc
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Beulah
> Thurman via cctalk
> > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 1:17 PM
> > To: General Discussion On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> > Subject: Fw: oh, this is great news!
> >
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > RGVhciEgDQoNCkkndmUgZ290ICBhbiAgZXh0cmVtZWx5IGdyZWF0IG5ld3Mg
> Zm9yIHlvdSwgeW91
> > IHdpbGwgIGJlIHNpbXBseSBhc3RvbmlzaGVkKSBQbGVhc2UgcmVhZCBpdCBo
> ZXJlIGh0dHA6Ly93
> > d3cuZmVybmFuZG9ub2d1ZWlyYWltb3ZlaXMuY29tLmJyL2V4Y2Vzc2l2ZS5w
> aHA/VUU5alkzUmhi
> > R3RBWTJ4aGMzTnBZMk50Y0M1dmNtYy0NCg0KQmV1bGFoIFRodXJtYW4NCg0K
>
> What it is is spam--and itflunked the Spamassassin spam tests:
>
> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mx2.ezwind.net
> X-Spam-Flag: YES
> X-Spam-Level: 
>
> So, why it was passed and not simply bit-bucketed is a mystery to me.
>
>
> --Chuck
>

Strangely, the original message went through Gmail just fine, but your
reply (Chuck) is flagged as spam.

-- 
Eric Christopherson

RE: oh, this is great news!

[Jay West via cctalk]

There is supposed to be a rule inside mailman, that if the x-spam-score
exceeds X (where X is I don't recall at the moment) it is deleted
automatically before moderation.

I'll check on why it made it.

J

Re: oh, this is great news!

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> What it is is spam--and itflunked the Spamassassin spam tests:
> 
> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mx2.ezwind.net
> X-Spam-Flag: YES
> X-Spam-Level: 
> 
> So, why it was passed and not simply bit-bucketed is a mystery to me.

Perhaps because some of those blacklists at times block things for political 
reasons?  I remember when one of them decided to block every comcast address, 
because of some braindead notion I could never quite understand.

paul

Re: oh, this is great news!

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 09/01/2017 10:26 AM, Kip Koon via cctalk wrote:
> What is it that is great news.  This is all I received.
> 
> Kip Koon
> computer...@sc.rr.com
> http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/User:Computerdoc
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Beulah 
> Thurman via cctalk
> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 1:17 PM
> To: General Discussion On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Fw: oh, this is great news!
> 
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> RGVhciEgDQoNCkkndmUgZ290ICBhbiAgZXh0cmVtZWx5IGdyZWF0IG5ld3MgZm9yIHlvdSwgeW91
> IHdpbGwgIGJlIHNpbXBseSBhc3RvbmlzaGVkKSBQbGVhc2UgcmVhZCBpdCBoZXJlIGh0dHA6Ly93
> d3cuZmVybmFuZG9ub2d1ZWlyYWltb3ZlaXMuY29tLmJyL2V4Y2Vzc2l2ZS5waHA/VUU5alkzUmhi
> R3RBWTJ4aGMzTnBZMk50Y0M1dmNtYy0NCg0KQmV1bGFoIFRodXJtYW4NCg0K

What it is is spam--and itflunked the Spamassassin spam tests:

X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mx2.ezwind.net
X-Spam-Flag: YES
X-Spam-Level: 

So, why it was passed and not simply bit-bucketed is a mystery to me.


--Chuck

RE: oh, this is great news!

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

On Fri, 1 Sep 2017, Kip Koon via cctalk wrote:

What is it that is great news.  This is all I received.


You don't want any of the rest.

The [full] headers include some amusing commentary by various spam 
identifier programs.

RE: oh, this is great news!

[Kip Koon via cctalk]

What is it that is great news.  This is all I received.

Kip Koon
computer...@sc.rr.com
http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/User:Computerdoc

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Beulah Thurman 
via cctalk
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 1:17 PM
To: General Discussion On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Fw: oh, this is great news!

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

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