Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
Why don't you do all Plextor users a favour, and post how to extract the firmware binary file from the supplied .exe on Linux, i.e. not using windows. Including file names, file sizes, versions and byte offsets, and some distinct strings to look for. Hey, it was someone else not telling much, what I posted is quite a full description. Yes, I used Windows. The image is much bigger than the executable, so it must be compressed. And I wouldnt be so sure that data starts after that Opal-string. No idea how to extract it without Windows. Using Windows, just start the exe and note that for a very short time you see an extract display. Then, leave the program running and look where it was temporarily unpacked. You will find it under the DocumentsAndSetting/user/LocalSettings/temp in some newly created subdir. Thats it. At least under XP. With other Win-flavours, the temp may be located somewhere else - but you just need to search for a file named Opal*. FL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Volker Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, found the %spftw.. and the unpacked Opal_103.bin in the Win-user's LocalSettings temp dir. Now, have I proven worthy :) Why don't you do all Plextor users a favour, and post how to extract the firmware binary file from the supplied .exe on Linux, i.e. not using windows. Including file names, file sizes, versions and byte offsets, and some distinct strings to look for. Or did you just run it on windows and found it left the file lieing around? Plextor promised me to enhance the web server to inglude the pure binary. As other people did mention enough things: all you need is an editor that allows to to easily edit a binary file e.g. VED: ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/ved/ and cabextract. So it works on UNIX. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
Why don't you do all Plextor users a favour, and post how to extract the firmware binary file from the supplied .exe on Linux, i.e. not using windows. Including file names, file sizes, versions and byte offsets, and some distinct strings to look for. Hey, it was someone else not telling much, what I posted is quite a full description. Yes, I used Windows. The image is much bigger than the executable, so it must be compressed. And I wouldnt be so sure that data starts after that Opal-string. No idea how to extract it without Windows. Using Windows, just start the exe and note that for a very short time you see an extract display. Then, leave the program running and look where it was temporarily unpacked. You will find it under the DocumentsAndSetting/user/LocalSettings/temp in some newly created subdir. Thats it. At least under XP. With other Win-flavours, the temp may be located somewhere else - but you just need to search for a file named Opal*. FL
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
From: Volker Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, found the %spftw.. and the unpacked Opal_103.bin in the Win-user's LocalSettings temp dir. Now, have I proven worthy :) Why don't you do all Plextor users a favour, and post how to extract the firmware binary file from the supplied .exe on Linux, i.e. not using windows. Including file names, file sizes, versions and byte offsets, and some distinct strings to look for. Or did you just run it on windows and found it left the file lieing around? Plextor promised me to enhance the web server to inglude the pure binary. As other people did mention enough things: all you need is an editor that allows to to easily edit a binary file e.g. VED: ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/ved/ and cabextract. So it works on UNIX. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 11:48:20AM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Note that unlike most software, my programs are higly portable and you may not notice that I e.g. put a lot of effort into the OS/2 port or a new upcoming vanilla DOS port. As someone who's using cdrecord-ProDVD on HP-UX, I'd like to thank you for that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
From: Florian Lindauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] cdrecord writes in SAO mode so it needs to know the sizes. - Currently using the pipe-scheme mkisofs | cdrecord I would have to specify tsize, which I cannot do. So I cannot use the pipe but have to create an image, the filesize of which will be what is needed. Right? NO, read the documentation to learn how to use tsize= if you write from a pipe I read the other post regarding pxupdate. I would try that as well on Monday, but as you already stated there is no firmware binary supplied by Plextor. I had the hope it could be somehow extracted using Windows, but indeed I was not able to do that. Something I did learn friday night by studying the Win32 binaries using strings on my Solaris machine... If you look close enough at the binaries you should be able to extract the firmware yourself. As for the secret firmware - is it a new version 1.04, or only the 1.03 as pure flash-image? In the latter case, if Plextor calls Well I could tell you but then I have to shoot you ;-) Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
From: Florian Lindauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Something I did learn friday night by studying the Win32 binaries using strings on my Solaris machine... If you look close enough at the binaries you should be able to extract the firmware yourself. Well. I know strings. But not much about windows executables or typical compression format headers or (if uncompressed) the beginning of a Plextor flash image or whatever. Maybe I could figure out, but then the idea of doing something wrong and flashing a broken image to my drive.. No. If you don't have a correct image, the program doesn't accept it. BTW: I just received a mail from another person who succeeded in extracting the firmare from the win32 installshield file. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
[currently my mailhost has problems delivering to fokus, sorry]
If you don't have a correct image, the program doesn't accept it.
That sure is a good idea..
BTW: I just received a mail from another person who
succeeded in extracting the firmare from the win32 installshield file.
So this is not only an intelligence test, but also a contest,
a tournament ;)
OK, found the %spftw.. and the unpacked Opal_103.bin in the
Win-user's LocalSettings temp dir. Now, have I proven worthy :)
[But seriously, wouldnt that be something for a readme for
pxupdate - there is absolutely no reason to keep this a secret!?]
Flashed it with pxupdate-1.34 - worked.
Recorded a DVD-R successfully using the following 2liner:
TSIZE=`mkisofs -R -J -f -print-size $1 $2 $3 21 | tail -1`
mkisofs -R -J -f $1 $2 $3 2/dev/null | cdrecord-proDVD dev=0,0,0 speed=8
tsize=${TSIZE}s -dao -v -
Did not try DVD+R: you said the session close problem is known
and planned to be fixed, so will have to wait for some 2.01a13.
Finally tried another one of the Imation (according to ATIP Ricoh)
media DVD+R using growisofs (which worked for all other media I
tried) to check if fw 1.03 helped. And voila - it did not get
stuck on session close. Am not 100% sure if that might not be
random behaviour, but the first two Imation I tried (with old fw)
got stuck, while non of the other DVD+R did.
So finally, things look quite OK at the moment: cdrecord-proDVD
works for DVD-R (and maybe soon DVD+R), growisofs works for +/-.
pxupdate allows flashing the drive.
This may be the beginning of the end of this thread ;)
FL
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Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
OK, found the %spftw.. and the unpacked Opal_103.bin in the Win-user's LocalSettings temp dir. Now, have I proven worthy :) Why don't you do all Plextor users a favour, and post how to extract the firmware binary file from the supplied .exe on Linux, i.e. not using windows. Including file names, file sizes, versions and byte offsets, and some distinct strings to look for. Or did you just run it on windows and found it left the file lieing around? Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
On Monday 01 December 2003 06:13 pm, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: OK, found the %spftw.. and the unpacked Opal_103.bin in the Win-user's LocalSettings temp dir. Now, have I proven worthy :) Why don't you do all Plextor users a favour, and post how to extract the firmware binary file from the supplied .exe on Linux, i.e. not using windows. Including file names, file sizes, versions and byte offsets, and some distinct strings to look for. At offset 0x1fee0 in the exe file there is the string \Opal_103.bin. Presumably the data following is the firmware. But exactly where does the file data start, and how long is it? I asked Jorg, but apparently his email address is either bogus or not working, because it bounced (or maybe my ISP's mail server screwed up--wouldn't be the first time). JP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 11:48:20AM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Note that unlike most software, my programs are higly portable and you may not notice that I e.g. put a lot of effort into the OS/2 port or a new upcoming vanilla DOS port. As someone who's using cdrecord-ProDVD on HP-UX, I'd like to thank you for that.
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
From: Florian Lindauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] cdrecord writes in SAO mode so it needs to know the sizes. - Currently using the pipe-scheme mkisofs | cdrecord I would have to specify tsize, which I cannot do. So I cannot use the pipe but have to create an image, the filesize of which will be what is needed. Right? NO, read the documentation to learn how to use tsize= if you write from a pipe I read the other post regarding pxupdate. I would try that as well on Monday, but as you already stated there is no firmware binary supplied by Plextor. I had the hope it could be somehow extracted using Windows, but indeed I was not able to do that. Something I did learn friday night by studying the Win32 binaries using strings on my Solaris machine... If you look close enough at the binaries you should be able to extract the firmware yourself. As for the secret firmware - is it a new version 1.04, or only the 1.03 as pure flash-image? In the latter case, if Plextor calls Well I could tell you but then I have to shoot you ;-) Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
NO, read the documentation to learn how to use tsize= if you write from a pipe OK, so I can do it even when using a pipe, mkisofs with -print-size. But using an image instead of the pipe would do too.. Will try soon. Something I did learn friday night by studying the Win32 binaries using strings on my Solaris machine... If you look close enough at the binaries you should be able to extract the firmware yourself. Well. I know strings. But not much about windows executables or typical compression format headers or (if uncompressed) the beginning of a Plextor flash image or whatever. Maybe I could figure out, but then the idea of doing something wrong and flashing a broken image to my drive.. No. Is this an intelligence test? You really fear consequences if you would just tell me (or even the world on this list) what you found out? Or even provide the pure 1.03 image? After all its out in the public. Just in an unusable form. Well I could tell you but then I have to shoot you ;-) Ah.. sure, agent one :) And what I asked below, NDA and such, is even more sensible in this way, I see.. but now if it's not you that makes things more mysterious than they are, then I can only conclude that Plextor really does not have a very open way of handling that kind of thing.. could'nt you tell them that a leaked firmware would be sign of importance for a company and will attract a lot of curious customers ;) Putting it on their website seems to be too hard for them. Guess I'll have to send some more mails to customer service.. Thanks for you work on this. FL
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
From: Florian Lindauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Something I did learn friday night by studying the Win32 binaries using strings on my Solaris machine... If you look close enough at the binaries you should be able to extract the firmware yourself. Well. I know strings. But not much about windows executables or typical compression format headers or (if uncompressed) the beginning of a Plextor flash image or whatever. Maybe I could figure out, but then the idea of doing something wrong and flashing a broken image to my drive.. No. If you don't have a correct image, the program doesn't accept it. BTW: I just received a mail from another person who succeeded in extracting the firmare from the win32 installshield file. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
[currently my mailhost has problems delivering to fokus, sorry]
If you don't have a correct image, the program doesn't accept it.
That sure is a good idea..
BTW: I just received a mail from another person who
succeeded in extracting the firmare from the win32 installshield file.
So this is not only an intelligence test, but also a contest,
a tournament ;)
OK, found the %spftw.. and the unpacked Opal_103.bin in the
Win-user's LocalSettings temp dir. Now, have I proven worthy :)
[But seriously, wouldnt that be something for a readme for
pxupdate - there is absolutely no reason to keep this a secret!?]
Flashed it with pxupdate-1.34 - worked.
Recorded a DVD-R successfully using the following 2liner:
TSIZE=`mkisofs -R -J -f -print-size $1 $2 $3 21 | tail -1`
mkisofs -R -J -f $1 $2 $3 2/dev/null | cdrecord-proDVD dev=0,0,0 speed=8
tsize=${TSIZE}s -dao -v -
Did not try DVD+R: you said the session close problem is known
and planned to be fixed, so will have to wait for some 2.01a13.
Finally tried another one of the Imation (according to ATIP Ricoh)
media DVD+R using growisofs (which worked for all other media I
tried) to check if fw 1.03 helped. And voila - it did not get
stuck on session close. Am not 100% sure if that might not be
random behaviour, but the first two Imation I tried (with old fw)
got stuck, while non of the other DVD+R did.
So finally, things look quite OK at the moment: cdrecord-proDVD
works for DVD-R (and maybe soon DVD+R), growisofs works for +/-.
pxupdate allows flashing the drive.
This may be the beginning of the end of this thread ;)
FL
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
OK, found the %spftw.. and the unpacked Opal_103.bin in the Win-user's LocalSettings temp dir. Now, have I proven worthy :) Why don't you do all Plextor users a favour, and post how to extract the firmware binary file from the supplied .exe on Linux, i.e. not using windows. Including file names, file sizes, versions and byte offsets, and some distinct strings to look for. Or did you just run it on windows and found it left the file lieing around? Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
On Monday 01 December 2003 06:13 pm, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: OK, found the %spftw.. and the unpacked Opal_103.bin in the Win-user's LocalSettings temp dir. Now, have I proven worthy :) Why don't you do all Plextor users a favour, and post how to extract the firmware binary file from the supplied .exe on Linux, i.e. not using windows. Including file names, file sizes, versions and byte offsets, and some distinct strings to look for. At offset 0x1fee0 in the exe file there is the string \Opal_103.bin. Presumably the data following is the firmware. But exactly where does the file data start, and how long is it? I asked Jorg, but apparently his email address is either bogus or not working, because it bounced (or maybe my ISP's mail server screwed up--wouldn't be the first time). JP
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
You did not follow the man page for cdrecord and the README in ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/ProDVD/ This is definitely wrong usage. OK. Have to admit it's somewhat embarrassing I overread that section flagged important notice.. But to be honest, things could still be put more clearly, especially for people not so deep into all of this. Before I will be able to test it next week, probably Monday evening, I now came to the following theory: Cdrecord currently only supports SAO mode. Cdrecord-ProDVD-1.11a35 and later allow to specify -dao for correctness. Later versions of cdrecord will only write DVDs if -dao is specified - it could be a good idea to specify -dao for DVD-R even if it may be just for correctness cdrecord writes in SAO mode so it needs to know the sizes. - Currently using the pipe-scheme mkisofs | cdrecord I would have to specify tsize, which I cannot do. So I cannot use the pipe but have to create an image, the filesize of which will be what is needed. Right? I read the other post regarding pxupdate. I would try that as well on Monday, but as you already stated there is no firmware binary supplied by Plextor. I had the hope it could be somehow extracted using Windows, but indeed I was not able to do that. As for the secret firmware - is it a new version 1.04, or only the 1.03 as pure flash-image? In the latter case, if Plextor calls that secret, I wouldnt know how to call that.. perhaps strange.. And being on that topic, just being curious: are you under some kind of NDA with Plextor here? After all, proDVD and pxupdate are only available as binary as far as I can tell, would it be a problem for Plextor if that was Open Source? (So just trying to find out if Plextor behaves like SD card consortium or similar proprietary..) FL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You did not follow the man page for cdrecord and the README in ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/ProDVD/ This is definitely wrong usage. OK. Have to admit it's somewhat embarrassing I overread that section flagged important notice.. But to be honest, things could still be put more clearly, especially for people not so deep into all of this. Before I will be able to test it next week, probably Monday evening, I now came to the following theory: Cdrecord currently only supports SAO mode. Cdrecord-ProDVD-1.11a35 and later allow to specify -dao for correctness. Later versions of cdrecord will only write DVDs if -dao is specified - it could be a good idea to specify -dao for DVD-R even if it may be just for correctness cdrecord writes in SAO mode so it needs to know the sizes. - Currently using the pipe-scheme mkisofs | cdrecord I would have to specify tsize, which I cannot do. So I cannot use the pipe but have to create an image, the filesize of which will be what is needed. Right? I read the other post regarding pxupdate. I would try that as well on Monday, but as you already stated there is no firmware binary supplied by Plextor. I had the hope it could be somehow extracted using Windows, but indeed I was not able to do that. As for the secret firmware - is it a new version 1.04, or only the 1.03 as pure flash-image? In the latter case, if Plextor calls that secret, I wouldnt know how to call that.. perhaps strange.. And being on that topic, just being curious: are you under some kind of NDA with Plextor here? After all, proDVD and pxupdate are only available as binary as far as I can tell, would it be a problem for Plextor if that was Open Source? (So just trying to find out if Plextor behaves like SD card consortium or similar proprietary..) FL
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 25 21:25:50 2003 The PIoneer drives in contrast will try to write to any medium but they will use a specific slow write strategy in this case. Interesting. Sounds much more customer-friendly. And the Plextor? My experiences with Plextor show that a high quality Pioneed 1x DVD-RW medium is not accepted ny the plector drive and the result it that it looks like cdrecord is broken because the Plextor drive does not handle mandatory commands (in case a DVD medium is loaded) anymore. Plextor knows about the problem, but I did not yet test 1.03 FW as all 5 other FW versions that I test did not fix the problem. Well, I cannot give you more than what I already posted in these threads (same for NEC and Plextor): .. Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. BURN-Free is ON. Turning BURN-Free off ./cdrecord-ProDVD: VTrack 0 has unknown length. ./cdrecord-ProDVD: Cannot open next track. Writing time:0.006s You did not follow the man page for cdrecord and the README in ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/ProDVD/ This is definitely wrong usage. cdrecord writes in SAO mode so it needs to know the sizes. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I used windows to upgrade the firmware to 1.03. Once you go past 1.01 to 1.02 or 1.03 you can't flash it back to 1.01. You can flash back to 1.02 from 1.03. I have not tried cdrecord at all yet except for cd-r media so I can't say whether I also exhibit any problems. If you let me know what circumstances you have a problem I can try to duplicate here. Thanks, -Dyson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Nov 21 22:03:53 2003 Why do you believe that the drive does not work at all with cdrecord? I could use it with my tests... Well, just read my threads in the list for details. Well, I thought this was a growisofs specific thread and did not read it I have currently a lot of problems in keeping track with incoming mail. It is a known fact that the firmware in the 708 is not what I would expect. If you insert a medium that it doesnt like, then it behaves as if the drive is broken. People who don't know cdrecord well enough could even believe that cdrecord was broken. Did you ever test with several different media? NOte that there are reports that even the media that are listet on Plextors site may not work. In short: when I had the NEC before, I used proDVD for recording DVD+R without problems - but DVD-R did not work (find a lot of details/logs in the thread DVD recording adventures, started somewhere at beginning of November, cant check as archive seems to be down currently). The NEC is known not to work with all media. This is the behavior intended by NEC! They don't like the drive to work with unknown media. Instead they seem to only write to well known (what they tested) media. The PIoneer drives in contrast will try to write to any medium but they will use a specific slow write strategy in this case. Now with the Plextor, DVD-R does not work in the same way. Well, it has the same problems as NEC. Both companies are far away from the experience Pioneer has. Note that Pioneer started in september 1997 - this is more than 6 years of experience. NEC has 2 years of experience and Plextor has only half a year of experience. My try with DVD+R recorded up to 100%, but got stuck when closing track/session. See thread DVD recording adventures continued, There is another problem with DVD+, it seems that all DVD+ drives not made by Ricoh don't follow the SCSI standards. As you may have noticed, I was a bit disappointed by some DVD experiences in the first half of this year. I spend a lot of time with Linux kernel bugs that are only present because the Linux Polit office kernel development model creates more and more problems for making Linux ready for the future. Linus Torvalds is one of the biggest problems for Linux :-( but let is stay closer to the topic: All newer DVD writers have problems in the firmware and don't follow SCSI standards if they are supporting DVD+. I guess this is a result of the marketing strategy of Ricoh. Ricoh did try to dominate the DVD+ market and miserably failed. After that time, a lot of companies started with DVD+ drives but did lack experience because they have been forced to buy Ricoh OEM drives before. Well I have been very busy and very productive with Free/Open SOurce software in the past and did write 1 new lines of code for star and modified another 5000 old lines. Star now is close before being a universal portable backup tool too. True Incremental backups already work, incremental restores have to be implemented. I intended to do this before starting again with cdrecord, but it seems that I will start again with cdrecord earlier Note that unlike most software, my programs are higly portable and you may not notice that I e.g. put a lot of effort into the OS/2 port or a new upcoming vanilla DOS port. well, this one :) I only can use the Plextor successfully with growisofs, but not with a certain medium brand (DVD+R Imation). Verbatim, Ricoh and cheap Platinum worked (+R), and cheap -R from Sky and Intenso. Perhaps you can tell something when looking at the proDVD-output. The Close DVD+R problem is known and I am going to fix this soon For DVD-R problems with the 708, I would need information. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Why do you believe that the drive does not work at all with cdrecord? I could use it with my tests... Well, just read my threads in the list for details. In short: when I had the NEC before, I used proDVD for recording DVD+R without problems - but DVD-R did not work (find a lot of details/logs in the thread DVD recording adventures, started somewhere at beginning of November, cant check as archive seems to be down currently). Now with the Plextor, DVD-R does not work in the same way. My try with DVD+R recorded up to 100%, but got stuck when closing track/session. See thread DVD recording adventures continued, well, this one :) I only can use the Plextor successfully with growisofs, but not with a certain medium brand (DVD+R Imation). Verbatim, Ricoh and cheap Platinum worked (+R), and cheap -R from Sky and Intenso. Perhaps you can tell something when looking at the proDVD-output. Btw. here is what I got back from Plextor: Dear Sir, I will forward this information to our engineering department since they decide on the information available on this webpage. Kind regards,.. Hope you had better luck. Or maybe engineering will really.. FL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[List seems to be down!? At least Debian-archive, and mail-archive did not get updated since Friday.. ] I used windows to upgrade the firmware to 1.03. Once you go past 1.01 to 1.02 or 1.03 you can't flash it back to 1.01. You can flash back to 1.02 from 1.03. I know that. Am still at 1.02 and want to wait until I can flash using pxupdate/Linux. It is a network-attached box without display/keyboard. Probably 1.03 does not improve so very much. I have not tried cdrecord at all yet except for cd-r media so I can't say whether I also exhibit any problems. If you let me know what circumstances you have a problem I can try to duplicate here. All that you can find within this thread. cdrecord-proDVD does not work with DVD-R (does not start recording) and got stuck on session close with DVD+R. growisofs works for most media, but not with Imation DVD+R (again, stuck when closing session). The latter is a bit special for you to reproduce, but if you are willing to risk a coaster, just record to some DVD+R medium using proDVD - I used an original Ricoh medium. Thanks, FL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[List seems to be down!? At least Debian-archive, and mail-archive did not get updated since Friday.. ] It is a known fact that the firmware in the 708 is not what I would expect. If you insert a medium that it doesnt like, then it behaves as if the drive is broken. People who don't know cdrecord well enough could even believe that cdrecord was broken. I do not doubt there are problems of that kind, but in my case, the original Ricoh-medium that could not get closed with proDVD is certainly beyond suspicion of not being supported by the drive. And with growisofs, it worked perfectly. Did you ever test with several different media? NOte that there are reports that even the media that are listet on Plextors site may not work. I could not test DVD-R media (as you know), and I did not test other DVD+R (as my coaster count gets a bit high, higher than it ever was with CDs many years ago). But as stated above, the original Ricoh simply is guaranteed to be OK. The NEC is known not to work with all media. This is the behavior intended by NEC! They don't like the drive to work with unknown media. Instead they seem to only write to well known (what they tested) media. Thats another topic.. I thought it was about the same with all DVD recorders: that they only accept media they know. But the NEC is history (or to be exact: works OK in a Desktop with XP). The PIoneer drives in contrast will try to write to any medium but they will use a specific slow write strategy in this case. Interesting. Sounds much more customer-friendly. And the Plextor? There is another problem with DVD+, it seems that all DVD+ drives not made by Ricoh don't follow the SCSI standards. Great.. As you may have noticed, I was a bit disappointed by some DVD experiences in the first half of this year. I spend a lot of time with Linux kernel bugs that are only present because the Linux Polit office kernel development model creates more and more problems for making Linux ready for the future. Linus Torvalds is one of the biggest problems for Linux :-( Not a thing I presume judgement. Just am thankful for what both of you contribute to Linux / application software :) implemented. I intended to do this before starting again with cdrecord, but it seems that I will start again with cdrecord earlier Sounds good :) The Close DVD+R problem is known and I am going to fix this soon Sounds even better.. For DVD-R problems with the 708, I would need information. Well, I cannot give you more than what I already posted in these threads (same for NEC and Plextor): .. Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. BURN-Free is ON. Turning BURN-Free off ./cdrecord-ProDVD: VTrack 0 has unknown length. ./cdrecord-ProDVD: Cannot open next track. Writing time:0.006s Did not find log-messages when this happens. So, what kind of additional info could I get you? Would be glad to support you with some tests, as far as time allows. Just send me a note if there is some new version or patch I can test (if it is supposed to solve some of my problems). Or what I can do to provide you with additional debugging info. (Will not be able to get hands on the drive before next week though). Thanks, FL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I used windows to upgrade the firmware to 1.03. Once you go past 1.01 to 1.02 or 1.03 you can't flash it back to 1.01. You can flash back to 1.02 from 1.03. I have not tried cdrecord at all yet except for cd-r media so I can't say whether I also exhibit any problems. If you let me know what circumstances you have a problem I can try to duplicate here. Thanks, -Dyson
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From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Nov 21 22:03:53 2003 Why do you believe that the drive does not work at all with cdrecord? I could use it with my tests... Well, just read my threads in the list for details. Well, I thought this was a growisofs specific thread and did not read it I have currently a lot of problems in keeping track with incoming mail. It is a known fact that the firmware in the 708 is not what I would expect. If you insert a medium that it doesnt like, then it behaves as if the drive is broken. People who don't know cdrecord well enough could even believe that cdrecord was broken. Did you ever test with several different media? NOte that there are reports that even the media that are listet on Plextors site may not work. In short: when I had the NEC before, I used proDVD for recording DVD+R without problems - but DVD-R did not work (find a lot of details/logs in the thread DVD recording adventures, started somewhere at beginning of November, cant check as archive seems to be down currently). The NEC is known not to work with all media. This is the behavior intended by NEC! They don't like the drive to work with unknown media. Instead they seem to only write to well known (what they tested) media. The PIoneer drives in contrast will try to write to any medium but they will use a specific slow write strategy in this case. Now with the Plextor, DVD-R does not work in the same way. Well, it has the same problems as NEC. Both companies are far away from the experience Pioneer has. Note that Pioneer started in september 1997 - this is more than 6 years of experience. NEC has 2 years of experience and Plextor has only half a year of experience. My try with DVD+R recorded up to 100%, but got stuck when closing track/session. See thread DVD recording adventures continued, There is another problem with DVD+, it seems that all DVD+ drives not made by Ricoh don't follow the SCSI standards. As you may have noticed, I was a bit disappointed by some DVD experiences in the first half of this year. I spend a lot of time with Linux kernel bugs that are only present because the Linux Polit office kernel development model creates more and more problems for making Linux ready for the future. Linus Torvalds is one of the biggest problems for Linux :-( but let is stay closer to the topic: All newer DVD writers have problems in the firmware and don't follow SCSI standards if they are supporting DVD+. I guess this is a result of the marketing strategy of Ricoh. Ricoh did try to dominate the DVD+ market and miserably failed. After that time, a lot of companies started with DVD+ drives but did lack experience because they have been forced to buy Ricoh OEM drives before. Well I have been very busy and very productive with Free/Open SOurce software in the past and did write 1 new lines of code for star and modified another 5000 old lines. Star now is close before being a universal portable backup tool too. True Incremental backups already work, incremental restores have to be implemented. I intended to do this before starting again with cdrecord, but it seems that I will start again with cdrecord earlier Note that unlike most software, my programs are higly portable and you may not notice that I e.g. put a lot of effort into the OS/2 port or a new upcoming vanilla DOS port. well, this one :) I only can use the Plextor successfully with growisofs, but not with a certain medium brand (DVD+R Imation). Verbatim, Ricoh and cheap Platinum worked (+R), and cheap -R from Sky and Intenso. Perhaps you can tell something when looking at the proDVD-output. The Close DVD+R problem is known and I am going to fix this soon For DVD-R problems with the 708, I would need information. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
Why do you believe that the drive does not work at all with cdrecord? I could use it with my tests... Well, just read my threads in the list for details. In short: when I had the NEC before, I used proDVD for recording DVD+R without problems - but DVD-R did not work (find a lot of details/logs in the thread DVD recording adventures, started somewhere at beginning of November, cant check as archive seems to be down currently). Now with the Plextor, DVD-R does not work in the same way. My try with DVD+R recorded up to 100%, but got stuck when closing track/session. See thread DVD recording adventures continued, well, this one :) I only can use the Plextor successfully with growisofs, but not with a certain medium brand (DVD+R Imation). Verbatim, Ricoh and cheap Platinum worked (+R), and cheap -R from Sky and Intenso. Perhaps you can tell something when looking at the proDVD-output. Btw. here is what I got back from Plextor: Dear Sir, I will forward this information to our engineering department since they decide on the information available on this webpage. Kind regards,.. Hope you had better luck. Or maybe engineering will really.. FL
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
[List seems to be down!? At least Debian-archive, and mail-archive did not get updated since Friday.. ] I used windows to upgrade the firmware to 1.03. Once you go past 1.01 to 1.02 or 1.03 you can't flash it back to 1.01. You can flash back to 1.02 from 1.03. I know that. Am still at 1.02 and want to wait until I can flash using pxupdate/Linux. It is a network-attached box without display/keyboard. Probably 1.03 does not improve so very much. I have not tried cdrecord at all yet except for cd-r media so I can't say whether I also exhibit any problems. If you let me know what circumstances you have a problem I can try to duplicate here. All that you can find within this thread. cdrecord-proDVD does not work with DVD-R (does not start recording) and got stuck on session close with DVD+R. growisofs works for most media, but not with Imation DVD+R (again, stuck when closing session). The latter is a bit special for you to reproduce, but if you are willing to risk a coaster, just record to some DVD+R medium using proDVD - I used an original Ricoh medium. Thanks, FL
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
[List seems to be down!? At least Debian-archive, and mail-archive did not get updated since Friday.. ] It is a known fact that the firmware in the 708 is not what I would expect. If you insert a medium that it doesnt like, then it behaves as if the drive is broken. People who don't know cdrecord well enough could even believe that cdrecord was broken. I do not doubt there are problems of that kind, but in my case, the original Ricoh-medium that could not get closed with proDVD is certainly beyond suspicion of not being supported by the drive. And with growisofs, it worked perfectly. Did you ever test with several different media? NOte that there are reports that even the media that are listet on Plextors site may not work. I could not test DVD-R media (as you know), and I did not test other DVD+R (as my coaster count gets a bit high, higher than it ever was with CDs many years ago). But as stated above, the original Ricoh simply is guaranteed to be OK. The NEC is known not to work with all media. This is the behavior intended by NEC! They don't like the drive to work with unknown media. Instead they seem to only write to well known (what they tested) media. Thats another topic.. I thought it was about the same with all DVD recorders: that they only accept media they know. But the NEC is history (or to be exact: works OK in a Desktop with XP). The PIoneer drives in contrast will try to write to any medium but they will use a specific slow write strategy in this case. Interesting. Sounds much more customer-friendly. And the Plextor? There is another problem with DVD+, it seems that all DVD+ drives not made by Ricoh don't follow the SCSI standards. Great.. As you may have noticed, I was a bit disappointed by some DVD experiences in the first half of this year. I spend a lot of time with Linux kernel bugs that are only present because the Linux Polit office kernel development model creates more and more problems for making Linux ready for the future. Linus Torvalds is one of the biggest problems for Linux :-( Not a thing I presume judgement. Just am thankful for what both of you contribute to Linux / application software :) implemented. I intended to do this before starting again with cdrecord, but it seems that I will start again with cdrecord earlier Sounds good :) The Close DVD+R problem is known and I am going to fix this soon Sounds even better.. For DVD-R problems with the 708, I would need information. Well, I cannot give you more than what I already posted in these threads (same for NEC and Plextor): .. Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. BURN-Free is ON. Turning BURN-Free off ./cdrecord-ProDVD: VTrack 0 has unknown length. ./cdrecord-ProDVD: Cannot open next track. Writing time:0.006s Did not find log-messages when this happens. So, what kind of additional info could I get you? Would be glad to support you with some tests, as far as time allows. Just send me a note if there is some new version or patch I can test (if it is supposed to solve some of my problems). Or what I can do to provide you with additional debugging info. (Will not be able to get hands on the drive before next week though). Thanks, FL
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From: Florian Lindauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a firware update to 1.03 for the Plextor 708A. I applied it on mine and it's Ok so far. -Dyson I know of this, but according to what I read about it it did not add too many new media. I would update if I did not have to use DOS/Win for this. How did you do it? If you used a Linux tool, I would be very interested in the details.. I just asked Plextor for the neexed info. Lets see what happens... Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I just asked Plextor for the neexed info. Lets see what happens... Pleased to hear that :) I just sent a mail (see below) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe some more people reading this list can send similar requests? Not all of you have a Plextor, but you can duplicate and send to other manufacturers too. Perhaps also to info@ addresses as potential customers (that did not already buy, but would if Linux is supported..) OK, that probably wont change much, but at least we have to try :) FL --- support request Hello Plextor, I purchased your DVD recorder model 708. I want to run it with Linux. You link to some resources on your website at page http://www.plextor.be/English/technical/linux.html CDrecord does not at all work with the 708. I know this is not primarily your responsibility, but I want to express my request that you do everything to support the author. There is another project named dvd+rw-tools, that currently works in many cases with the drive: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ Perhaps you can add it to the Linux-page? Another chapter is firmware updates. The author of cdrecord also maintains a Linux flash utility, but it also does not know the 708 yet. Again, please supply the author with all necessary information or hardware as soon as possible. The firmware itself is packed into an .exe - why dont you use a standard format like zip? At least alternatively. I am sure there are more users interested in recording on Linux - please reconsider to increase your commitment regarding Linux. If Plextor becomes the brand of choice for Linux users, this is a target group that may be more valuable than its pure number suggests. Maybe Plextor already is better for Linux than many other brands - but it sure is far from real good.. One thing is sure: the Linux community is growing. Multimedia with Linux is gaining ground (mplayer, VDR). Lots of people build their own HD+DVD-videorecorders on this basis. Thanks for reading. Your hopeful customer.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Florian Lindauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a firware update to 1.03 for the Plextor 708A. I applied it on mine and it's Ok so far. -Dyson I know of this, but according to what I read about it it did not add too many new media. I would update if I did not have to use DOS/Win for this. How did you do it? If you used a Linux tool, I would be very interested in the details.. I just asked Plextor for the neexed info. Lets see what happens... Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
I just asked Plextor for the neexed info. Lets see what happens... Pleased to hear that :) I just sent a mail (see below) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe some more people reading this list can send similar requests? Not all of you have a Plextor, but you can duplicate and send to other manufacturers too. Perhaps also to info@ addresses as potential customers (that did not already buy, but would if Linux is supported..) OK, that probably wont change much, but at least we have to try :) FL --- support request Hello Plextor, I purchased your DVD recorder model 708. I want to run it with Linux. You link to some resources on your website at page http://www.plextor.be/English/technical/linux.html CDrecord does not at all work with the 708. I know this is not primarily your responsibility, but I want to express my request that you do everything to support the author. There is another project named dvd+rw-tools, that currently works in many cases with the drive: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ Perhaps you can add it to the Linux-page? Another chapter is firmware updates. The author of cdrecord also maintains a Linux flash utility, but it also does not know the 708 yet. Again, please supply the author with all necessary information or hardware as soon as possible. The firmware itself is packed into an .exe - why dont you use a standard format like zip? At least alternatively. I am sure there are more users interested in recording on Linux - please reconsider to increase your commitment regarding Linux. If Plextor becomes the brand of choice for Linux users, this is a target group that may be more valuable than its pure number suggests. Maybe Plextor already is better for Linux than many other brands - but it sure is far from real good.. One thing is sure: the Linux community is growing. Multimedia with Linux is gaining ground (mplayer, VDR). Lots of people build their own HD+DVD-videorecorders on this basis. Thanks for reading. Your hopeful customer..
Re: Re: DVD recording adventures continued
There is a firware update to 1.03 for the Plextor 708A. I applied it on mine and it's Ok so far. -Dyson I know of this, but according to what I read about it it did not add too many new media. I would update if I did not have to use DOS/Win for this. How did you do it? If you used a Linux tool, I would be very interested in the details.. FL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There is a firware update to 1.03 for the Plextor 708A. I applied it on mine and it's Ok so far. -Dyson I know of this, but according to what I read about it it did not add too many new media. I would update if I did not have to use DOS/Win for this. How did you do it? If you used a Linux tool, I would be very interested in the details.. FL
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There is a firware update to 1.03 for the Plextor 708A. I applied it on mine and it's Ok so far. I'm not sure if this will help you. -Dyson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There is a firware update to 1.03 for the Plextor 708A. I applied it on mine and it's Ok so far. I'm not sure if this will help you. -Dyson
