Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
On 12/28/18 4:13 AM, Ilya Dryomov wrote: > On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 7:18 PM Brian : wrote: >> >> Sorry to drag this one up again. >> >> Just got the unsubscribed due to excessive bounces thing. >> >> 'Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due >> to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated >> 21-Dec-2018. You will not get any more messages from this list until >> you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like >> this before your membership in the list is deleted.' >> >> can anyone check MTA logs to see what the bounce is? > > Me too. Happens regularly and only on ceph-users, not on sepia or > ceph-maintainers, etc. David, Dan, could you or someone you know look > into this? > As far as I know, we don't have shell access to the mail servers for those lists so I can't see what's going on behind the scenes. I will increase the bounce_score_threshold for now and change the list owner to an active e-mail address (oops) who will get the bounce notifications. The Bounce Processing settings are the same for ceph-users and ceph-maintainers so I'm guessing the high volume of ceph-users@ is why it's only happening on that list. I think the plan is to move to a self-hosted mailman instance soon so this shouldn't be an issue for much longer. ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 7:18 PM Brian : wrote: > > Sorry to drag this one up again. > > Just got the unsubscribed due to excessive bounces thing. > > 'Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due > to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated > 21-Dec-2018. You will not get any more messages from this list until > you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like > this before your membership in the list is deleted.' > > can anyone check MTA logs to see what the bounce is? Me too. Happens regularly and only on ceph-users, not on sepia or ceph-maintainers, etc. David, Dan, could you or someone you know look into this? Thanks, Ilya ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Den lör 22 dec. 2018 kl 19:18 skrev Brian : : > Sorry to drag this one up again. Not as sorry to drag it up as you > Just got the unsubscribed due to excessive bounces thing. And me. > 'Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due > to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated [..] > this before your membership in the list is deleted.' > can anyone check MTA logs to see what the bounce is? ^^^ this -- May the most significant bit of your life be positive. ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Sorry to drag this one up again. Just got the unsubscribed due to excessive bounces thing. 'Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 21-Dec-2018. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted.' can anyone check MTA logs to see what the bounce is? On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:24 PM Janne Johansson wrote: > > Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 15:06 skrev Elias Abacioglu > : > > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get > > disabled twice a month. > > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see > > this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe > > Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps > > it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? > > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets > > bounced? Look at my address if you want. > > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most > > recently. > > Guess it's time for it again. > > -- > May the most significant bit of your life be positive. > ___ > ceph-users mailing list > ceph-users@lists.ceph.com > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 15:06 skrev Elias Abacioglu : > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get > disabled twice a month. > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see > this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe > Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps it > wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets > bounced? Look at my address if you want. > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most recently. Guess it's time for it again. -- May the most significant bit of your life be positive. ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Happens to me too, on gmail. I'm on half a dozen other mailman lists with no issues at all. I've escalate this problem to the ceph mailing list maintainer and they said its an issue with their provider, but this was probably a year ago. On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 7:04 AM Elias Abacioglu < elias.abacio...@deltaprojects.com> wrote: > Maybe there are some advice here that can help remedy the situation a bit? > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126?hl=en > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6227174?hl=en > > /Elias > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:24 AM Alex Gorbachev > wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:48 AM Elias Abacioglu >> wrote: >> > >> > If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force >> people to use pastebin / imgur type of services? >> > >> > /E >> > >> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma wrote: >> >> >> >> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite. >> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G >> Suite. >> >> > >> >> > Paul >> >> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen >> >> > : >> >> > > >> >> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to >> re-enable). >> >> > > >> >> > > Cheers >> >> > > Joshua >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson < >> svante.karls...@csi.se> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe >> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith < >> j...@unbiasedgeek.com>: >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> I have been removed twice. >> >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu >> >> > >>> wrote: >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > Hi, >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My >> membership get disabled twice a month. >> >> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing >> lists and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only >> affected? Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional? >> >> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail >> accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this >> one out? >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what >> actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. >> >> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, >> 20180718 most recently. >> >> > >>> > Please help! >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > Thanks, >> >> > >>> > Elias >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer < >> ch...@gol.com> wrote: >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with >> SpamAssassin, however >> >> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high >> scores. >> >> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is >> up to date and >> >> > >>> >> google will have similar checks: >> >> > >>> >> --- >> >> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 >> tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, >> >> > >>> >> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, >> >> > >>> >> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, >> >> > >>> >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no >> autolearn=no >> >> > >>> >> --- >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on >> your way out. >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to >> trigger >> >> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> Christian >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian, >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like >> to figure out >> >> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person >> subscribed >> >> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing >> them in the >> >> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements >> are less >> >> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't >> already use >> >> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider). >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but >> see below. >> >> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be >> hell, doubly so >> >> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud. >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned >> off digest >> >> >
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Without an example of the bounce response itself it's virtually impossible to troubleshoot. Can someone with mailman access please provide an example of a bounce response? All the attachments on those rejected messages are just HTML copies of the message (which are not on the list of filtered attachments), and they seem to be on every message anyway. It also looks like mailman is stripping them. -Erik On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, 7:04 AM Elias Abacioglu < elias.abacio...@deltaprojects.com> wrote: > Maybe there are some advice here that can help remedy the situation a bit? > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126?hl=en > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6227174?hl=en > > /Elias > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:24 AM Alex Gorbachev > wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:48 AM Elias Abacioglu >> wrote: >> > >> > If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force >> people to use pastebin / imgur type of services? >> > >> > /E >> > >> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma wrote: >> >> >> >> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite. >> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G >> Suite. >> >> > >> >> > Paul >> >> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen >> >> > : >> >> > > >> >> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to >> re-enable). >> >> > > >> >> > > Cheers >> >> > > Joshua >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson < >> svante.karls...@csi.se> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe >> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith < >> j...@unbiasedgeek.com>: >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> I have been removed twice. >> >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu >> >> > >>> wrote: >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > Hi, >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My >> membership get disabled twice a month. >> >> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing >> lists and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only >> affected? Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional? >> >> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail >> accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this >> one out? >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what >> actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. >> >> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, >> 20180718 most recently. >> >> > >>> > Please help! >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > Thanks, >> >> > >>> > Elias >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer < >> ch...@gol.com> wrote: >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with >> SpamAssassin, however >> >> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high >> scores. >> >> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is >> up to date and >> >> > >>> >> google will have similar checks: >> >> > >>> >> --- >> >> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 >> tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, >> >> > >>> >> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, >> >> > >>> >> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, >> >> > >>> >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no >> autolearn=no >> >> > >>> >> --- >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on >> your way out. >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to >> trigger >> >> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> Christian >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian, >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like >> to figure out >> >> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person >> subscribed >> >> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing >> them in the >> >> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements >> are less >> >> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't >> already use >> >> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider). >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but >> see below. >> >> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Maybe there are some advice here that can help remedy the situation a bit? https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126?hl=en https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6227174?hl=en /Elias On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:24 AM Alex Gorbachev wrote: > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:48 AM Elias Abacioglu > wrote: > > > > If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force > people to use pastebin / imgur type of services? > > > > /E > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma wrote: > >> > >> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite. > >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich > wrote: > >> > > >> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G > Suite. > >> > > >> > Paul > >> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen > >> > : > >> > > > >> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to > re-enable). > >> > > > >> > > Cheers > >> > > Joshua > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson < > svante.karls...@csi.se> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe > d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there. > >> > >> > >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith < > j...@unbiasedgeek.com>: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> I have been removed twice. > >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu > >> > >>> wrote: > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > Hi, > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My > membership get disabled twice a month. > >> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists > and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? > Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > >> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail > accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this > one out? > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what > actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. > >> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 > most recently. > >> > >>> > Please help! > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > Thanks, > >> > >>> > Elias > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer > wrote: > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with > SpamAssassin, however > >> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high > scores. > >> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is > up to date and > >> > >>> >> google will have similar checks: > >> > >>> >> --- > >> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 > tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, > >> > >>> >> > FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, > >> > >>> >> > HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, > >> > >>> >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no > autolearn=no > >> > >>> >> --- > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on > your way out. > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to > trigger > >> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> Christian > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian, > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to > figure out > >> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person > subscribed > >> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing > them in the > >> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements > are less > >> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't > already use > >> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider). > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but > see below. > >> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be > hell, doubly so > >> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud. > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned > off digest > >> > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try > setting > >> > >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > >>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what > do I know. > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about > attachments: > >> > >>> >> > --- > >> > >>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily > “digests” of list > >> > >>> >> >
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 7:48 AM Elias Abacioglu wrote: > > If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force people to > use pastebin / imgur type of services? > > /E > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma wrote: >> >> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite. >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich wrote: >> > >> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G Suite. >> > >> > Paul >> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen >> > : >> > > >> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable). >> > > >> > > Cheers >> > > Joshua >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson >> > > wrote: >> > >> >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe >> > >> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there. >> > >> >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith : >> > >>> >> > >>> I have been removed twice. >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu >> > >>> wrote: >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Hi, >> > >>> > >> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My >> > >>> > membership get disabled twice a month. >> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and >> > >>> > I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? >> > >>> > Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional? >> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, >> > >>> > perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one >> > >>> > out? >> > >>> > >> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually >> > >>> > gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. >> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most >> > >>> > recently. >> > >>> > Please help! >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Thanks, >> > >>> > Elias >> > >>> > >> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer >> > >>> > wrote: >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, >> > >>> >> however >> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high >> > >>> >> scores. >> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to >> > >>> >> date and >> > >>> >> google will have similar checks: >> > >>> >> --- >> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, >> > >>> >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no >> > >>> >> autolearn=no >> > >>> >> --- >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your >> > >>> >> way out. >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger >> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> Christian >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian, >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to >> > >>> >> > > figure out >> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person >> > >>> >> > > subscribed >> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them >> > >>> >> > > in the >> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are >> > >>> >> > > less >> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't >> > >>> >> > > already use >> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider). >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see >> > >>> >> > below. >> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, >> > >>> >> > doubly so >> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud. >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off >> > >>> >> > > digest >> > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting >> > >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I >> > >>> >> > know. >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments: >> > >>> >> > --- >> > >>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” >> > >>> >> > of list >> > >>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original >> > >>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of >> > >>> >> > attachments). >> > >>> >> > Howev
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
@all and Listadmin These Problems with Gmail Email Addresse or Domains operated under Google Control Are caused by Google refusing high Volume Senders !!! I operated a Security list and hast Been faced with exactly Same Problems Google is totally ignorant, no real answers to Out complains ! Just my 2 Cents Am 8. Oktober 2018 23:52:20 MESZ schrieb Paul Emmerich : >You don't get removed for sending to the mailing list, you get removed >because the mailing list servers fails to deliver mail to you. >Am Mo., 8. Okt. 2018 um 23:22 Uhr schrieb Jeff Smith >: >> >> I just got dumped again. I have not sent any attechments/images. >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:48 AM Elias Abacioglu >> wrote: >> > >> > If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force >people to use pastebin / imgur type of services? >> > >> > /E >> > >> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma >wrote: >> >> >> >> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite. >> >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G >Suite. >> >> > >> >> > Paul >> >> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen >> >> > : >> >> > > >> >> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to >re-enable). >> >> > > >> >> > > Cheers >> >> > > Joshua >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe >d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith >: >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> I have been removed twice. >> >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu >> >> > >>> wrote: >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > Hi, >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. >My membership get disabled twice a month. >> >> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing >lists and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only >affected? Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional? >> >> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail >accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure >this one out? >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate >what actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. >> >> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, >20180718 most recently. >> >> > >>> > Please help! >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > Thanks, >> >> > >>> > Elias >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer > wrote: >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with >SpamAssassin, however >> >> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively >high scores. >> >> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA >is up to date and >> >> > >>> >> google will have similar checks: >> >> > >>> >> --- >> >> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 >tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, >> >> > >>> >> >FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, >> >> > >>> >> >HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, >> >> > >>> >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID >shortcircuit=no autolearn=no >> >> > >>> >> --- >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're >well on your way out. >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces >to trigger >> >> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the >counter. >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> Christian >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer >wrote: >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite >wrote: >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian, >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really >like to figure out >> >> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only >person subscribed >> >> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be >allowing them in the >> >> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment >requirements are less >> >> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that >don't already use >> >> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider). >> >> > >>> >> > > >> >> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, >but see below. >> >> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can >be hell, doubly so >> >> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud. >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I >turned off digest >> >> > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll >try set
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
You don't get removed for sending to the mailing list, you get removed because the mailing list servers fails to deliver mail to you. Am Mo., 8. Okt. 2018 um 23:22 Uhr schrieb Jeff Smith : > > I just got dumped again. I have not sent any attechments/images. > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:48 AM Elias Abacioglu > wrote: > > > > If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force people > > to use pastebin / imgur type of services? > > > > /E > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma wrote: > >> > >> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite. > >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G Suite. > >> > > >> > Paul > >> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen > >> > : > >> > > > >> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable). > >> > > > >> > > Cheers > >> > > Joshua > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe > >> > >> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there. > >> > >> > >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith : > >> > >>> > >> > >>> I have been removed twice. > >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu > >> > >>> wrote: > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > Hi, > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My > >> > >>> > membership get disabled twice a month. > >> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists > >> > >>> > and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only > >> > >>> > affected? Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > >> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, > >> > >>> > perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this > >> > >>> > one out? > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what > >> > >>> > actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. > >> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 > >> > >>> > most recently. > >> > >>> > Please help! > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > Thanks, > >> > >>> > Elias > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer > >> > >>> > wrote: > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, > >> > >>> >> however > >> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high > >> > >>> >> scores. > >> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up > >> > >>> >> to date and > >> > >>> >> google will have similar checks: > >> > >>> >> --- > >> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 > >> > >>> >> tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, > >> > >>> >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no > >> > >>> >> autolearn=no > >> > >>> >> --- > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on > >> > >>> >> your way out. > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to > >> > >>> >> trigger > >> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> Christian > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian, > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to > >> > >>> >> > > figure out > >> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person > >> > >>> >> > > subscribed > >> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them > >> > >>> >> > > in the > >> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are > >> > >>> >> > > less > >> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't > >> > >>> >> > > already use > >> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider). > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see > >> > >>> >> > below. > >> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be > >> > >>> >> > hell, doubly so > >> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud. > >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off > >> > >>> >> > > digest > >> > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting > >> > >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes..
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
I just got dumped again. I have not sent any attechments/images. On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 5:48 AM Elias Abacioglu wrote: > > If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force people to > use pastebin / imgur type of services? > > /E > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma wrote: >> >> Same here also on Gmail with G Suite. >> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich wrote: >> > >> > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G Suite. >> > >> > Paul >> > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen >> > : >> > > >> > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable). >> > > >> > > Cheers >> > > Joshua >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson >> > > wrote: >> > >> >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe >> > >> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there. >> > >> >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith : >> > >>> >> > >>> I have been removed twice. >> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu >> > >>> wrote: >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Hi, >> > >>> > >> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My >> > >>> > membership get disabled twice a month. >> > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and >> > >>> > I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? >> > >>> > Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional? >> > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, >> > >>> > perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one >> > >>> > out? >> > >>> > >> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually >> > >>> > gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. >> > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most >> > >>> > recently. >> > >>> > Please help! >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Thanks, >> > >>> > Elias >> > >>> > >> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer >> > >>> > wrote: >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, >> > >>> >> however >> > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high >> > >>> >> scores. >> > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to >> > >>> >> date and >> > >>> >> google will have similar checks: >> > >>> >> --- >> > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, >> > >>> >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no >> > >>> >> autolearn=no >> > >>> >> --- >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your >> > >>> >> way out. >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger >> > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> Christian >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian, >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to >> > >>> >> > > figure out >> > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person >> > >>> >> > > subscribed >> > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them >> > >>> >> > > in the >> > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are >> > >>> >> > > less >> > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't >> > >>> >> > > already use >> > >>> >> > > a cloud provider). >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see >> > >>> >> > below. >> > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, >> > >>> >> > doubly so >> > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud. >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off >> > >>> >> > > digest >> > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting >> > >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... >> > >>> >> > > >> > >>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I >> > >>> >> > know. >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments: >> > >>> >> > --- >> > >>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” >> > >>> >> > of list >> > >>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original >> > >>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
If it's attachments causing this, perhaps forbid attachments? Force people to use pastebin / imgur type of services? /E On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:33 PM Martin Palma wrote: > Same here also on Gmail with G Suite. > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich > wrote: > > > > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G Suite. > > > > Paul > > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen > > : > > > > > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable). > > > > > > Cheers > > > Joshua > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson > wrote: > > >> > > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe > d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there. > > >> > > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith >: > > >>> > > >>> I have been removed twice. > > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > Hi, > > >>> > > > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My > membership get disabled twice a month. > > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists > and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? > Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, > perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? > > >>> > > > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what > actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. > > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 > most recently. > > >>> > Please help! > > >>> > > > >>> > Thanks, > > >>> > Elias > > >>> > > > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer > wrote: > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, > however > > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high > scores. > > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up > to date and > > >>> >> google will have similar checks: > > >>> >> --- > > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 > tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, > > >>> >> > FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, > > >>> >> > HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, > > >>> >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no > autolearn=no > > >>> >> --- > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on > your way out. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to > trigger > > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Christian > > >>> >> > > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian, > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to > figure out > > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person > subscribed > > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them > in the > > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are > less > > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't > already use > > >>> >> > > a cloud provider). > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see > below. > > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be > hell, doubly so > > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud. > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off > digest > > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting > > >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I > know. > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments: > > >>> >> > --- > > >>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” > of list > > >>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original > > >>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of > attachments). > > >>> >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original > attachments that the > > >>> >> > recipient can click on. > > >>> >> > --- > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > Christian > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > Cheers, > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer > wrote: > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > Hello, > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > You're on gmail. > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards > to spam my b
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Same here also on Gmail with G Suite. On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:31 AM Paul Emmerich wrote: > > I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G Suite. > > Paul > Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen > : > > > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable). > > > > Cheers > > Joshua > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson > > wrote: > >> > >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe > >> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there. > >> > >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith : > >>> > >>> I have been removed twice. > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Hi, > >>> > > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership > >>> > get disabled twice a month. > >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I > >>> > see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? > >>> > Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, > >>> > perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? > >>> > > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually > >>> > gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. > >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most > >>> > recently. > >>> > Please help! > >>> > > >>> > Thanks, > >>> > Elias > >>> > > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, > >>> >> however > >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores. > >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to > >>> >> date and > >>> >> google will have similar checks: > >>> >> --- > >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, > >>> >> > >>> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, > >>> >> > >>> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, > >>> >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no > >>> >> autolearn=no > >>> >> --- > >>> >> > >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way > >>> >> out. > >>> >> > >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger > >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. > >>> >> > >>> >> Christian > >>> >> > >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian, > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure > >>> >> > > out > >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person > >>> >> > > subscribed > >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in > >>> >> > > the > >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less > >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already > >>> >> > > use > >>> >> > > a cloud provider). > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see > >>> >> > below. > >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, > >>> >> > doubly so > >>> >> > if on M$ cloud. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off > >>> >> > > digest > >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting > >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments: > >>> >> > --- > >>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of > >>> >> > list > >>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original > >>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of > >>> >> > attachments). > >>> >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments > >>> >> > that the > >>> >> > recipient can click on. > >>> >> > --- > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Christian > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Cheers, > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer > >>> >> > > wrote: > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > Hello, > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > You're on gmail. > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to > >>> >> > > > spam my bet > >>> >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of > >>> >> > > > these > >>> >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
I'm also seeing this once every few months or so on Gmail with G Suite. Paul Am So., 7. Okt. 2018 um 08:18 Uhr schrieb Joshua Chen : > > I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable). > > Cheers > Joshua > > > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson wrote: >> >> I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe >> d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there. >> >> Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith : >>> >>> I have been removed twice. >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership >>> > get disabled twice a month. >>> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see >>> > this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe >>> > Christian was on to something, is this intentional? >>> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps >>> > it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? >>> > >>> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets >>> > bounced? Look at my address if you want. >>> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most >>> > recently. >>> > Please help! >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Elias >>> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however >>> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores. >>> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date >>> >> and >>> >> google will have similar checks: >>> >> --- >>> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, >>> >> >>> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, >>> >> >>> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, >>> >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no >>> >> --- >>> >> >>> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way >>> >> out. >>> >> >>> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger >>> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. >>> >> >>> >> Christian >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > > Thanks Christian, >>> >> > > >>> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out >>> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed >>> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the >>> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less >>> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use >>> >> > > a cloud provider). >>> >> > > >>> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below. >>> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, >>> >> > doubly so >>> >> > if on M$ cloud. >>> >> > >>> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest >>> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting >>> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... >>> >> > > >>> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know. >>> >> > >>> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments: >>> >> > --- >>> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list >>> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original >>> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of >>> >> > attachments). >>> >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that >>> >> > the >>> >> > recipient can click on. >>> >> > --- >>> >> > >>> >> > Christian >>> >> > >>> >> > > Cheers, >>> >> > > >>> >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer wrote: >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > Hello, >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > You're on gmail. >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam >>> >> > > > my bet >>> >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these >>> >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control. >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm]. >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > Christian >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > >> Hi all, >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed >>> >> > > >> from >>> >> > > >> ceph-users with the message: >>> >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled >>> >> > > >> due >>> >> > >
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
I also got removed once, got another warning once (need to re-enable). Cheers Joshua On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:38 AM Svante Karlsson wrote: > I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe > d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there. > > Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith : > >> I have been removed twice. >> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu >> wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership >> get disabled twice a month. >> > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I >> see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe >> Christian was on to something, is this intentional? >> > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, >> perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? >> > >> > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually >> gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. >> > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most >> recently. >> > Please help! >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Elias >> > >> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, >> however >> >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores. >> >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to >> date and >> >> google will have similar checks: >> >> --- >> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, >> >> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, >> >> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, >> >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no >> autolearn=no >> >> --- >> >> >> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way >> out. >> >> >> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger >> >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. >> >> >> >> Christian >> >> >> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > Thanks Christian, >> >> > > >> >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure >> out >> >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person >> subscribed >> >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. >> >> > > >> >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in >> the >> >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less >> >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already >> use >> >> > > a cloud provider). >> >> > > >> >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see >> below. >> >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, >> doubly so >> >> > if on M$ cloud. >> >> > >> >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off >> digest >> >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting >> >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... >> >> > > >> >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know. >> >> > >> >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments: >> >> > --- >> >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of >> list >> >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original >> >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of >> attachments). >> >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments >> that the >> >> > recipient can click on. >> >> > --- >> >> > >> >> > Christian >> >> > >> >> > > Cheers, >> >> > > >> >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer >> wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Hello, >> >> > > > >> >> > > > You're on gmail. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to >> spam my bet >> >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of >> these >> >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm]. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Christian >> >> > > > >> >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> Hi all, >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed >> from >> >> > > >> ceph-users with the message: >> >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been >> disabled due >> >> > > >> to excessive bounces..." >> >> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis. >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is >> coming from. >> >> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the >> contact >> >> > > >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
I thought it was just me, guess not... On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 1:28 PM Janne Johansson wrote: > Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 15:06 skrev Elias Abacioglu > : > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership > get disabled twice a month. > > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I > see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe > Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, > perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? > > > > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually > gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. > > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most > recently. > > Please help! > > Same here. > > > -- > May the most significant bit of your life be positive. > ___ > ceph-users mailing list > ceph-users@lists.ceph.com > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com > -- Shawn Iverson, CETL Director of Technology Rush County Schools 765-932-3901 x1171 ivers...@rushville.k12.in.us ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
I'm also getting removed but not only from ceph. I subscribe d...@kafka.apache.org list and the same thing happens there. Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 23:24 skrev Jeff Smith : > I have been removed twice. > On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership > get disabled twice a month. > > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I > see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe > Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, > perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? > > > > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually > gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. > > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most > recently. > > Please help! > > > > Thanks, > > Elias > > > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer wrote: > >> > >> > >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however > >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores. > >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date > and > >> google will have similar checks: > >> --- > >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, > >> > FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, > >> > HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, > >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no > >> --- > >> > >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way > out. > >> > >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger > >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. > >> > >> Christian > >> > >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: > >> > >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > >> > > >> > > Thanks Christian, > >> > > > >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure > out > >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed > >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. > >> > > > >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the > >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less > >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already > use > >> > > a cloud provider). > >> > > > >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below. > >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, > doubly so > >> > if on M$ cloud. > >> > > >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest > >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting > >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... > >> > > > >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know. > >> > > >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments: > >> > --- > >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of > list > >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original > >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of > attachments). > >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that > the > >> > recipient can click on. > >> > --- > >> > > >> > Christian > >> > > >> > > Cheers, > >> > > > >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Hello, > >> > > > > >> > > > You're on gmail. > >> > > > > >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam > my bet > >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of > these > >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control. > >> > > > > >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm]. > >> > > > > >> > > > Christian > >> > > > > >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> Hi all, > >> > > >> > >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed > from > >> > > >> ceph-users with the message: > >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been > disabled due > >> > > >> to excessive bounces..." > >> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming > from. > >> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the > contact > >> > > >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't > >> > > >> received any response despite several attempts. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Help! > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer > >> > > > ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications > >>
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
I have been removed twice. On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:07 AM Elias Abacioglu wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get > disabled twice a month. > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see > this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe > Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps it > wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? > > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets > bounced? Look at my address if you want. > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most recently. > Please help! > > Thanks, > Elias > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer wrote: >> >> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores. >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date and >> google will have similar checks: >> --- >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, >> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, >> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no >> --- >> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way out. >> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. >> >> Christian >> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: >> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >> > >> > > Thanks Christian, >> > > >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. >> > > >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use >> > > a cloud provider). >> > > >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below. >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly so >> > if on M$ cloud. >> > >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... >> > > >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know. >> > >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments: >> > --- >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments). >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that the >> > recipient can click on. >> > --- >> > >> > Christian >> > >> > > Cheers, >> > > >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Hello, >> > > > >> > > > You're on gmail. >> > > > >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my >> > > > bet >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control. >> > > > >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm]. >> > > > >> > > > Christian >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> Hi all, >> > > >> >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from >> > > >> ceph-users with the message: >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due >> > > >> to excessive bounces..." >> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis. >> > > >> >> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming from. >> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the contact >> > > >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't >> > > >> received any response despite several attempts. >> > > >> >> > > >> Help! >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer >> > > > ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer >> ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications >> ___ >> ceph-users mailing list >> ceph-users@lists.ceph.com >> http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com > > ___ > ceph-users mailing list > ceph-users@lists.ceph.
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Same here. Gmail + own domain. On Oct 6, 2018, 20:52 +0300, Tren Blackburn , wrote: > And same here. I'm glad I'm not the only one this is happening to. > > t. > > On October 6, 2018 at 10:50:10 AM, David C (dcsysengin...@gmail.com) wrote: > > Same issue here, Gmail user, member of different lists but only get > > disabled on ceph-users. Happens about once a month but had three in Sept. > > > > > On Sat, 6 Oct 2018, 18:28 Janne Johansson, wrote: > > > > Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 15:06 skrev Elias Abacioglu > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My > > > > > membership get disabled twice a month. > > > > > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I > > > > > see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? > > > > > Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > > > > > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, > > > > > perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one > > > > > out? > > > > > > > > > > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually > > > > > gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. > > > > > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most > > > > > recently. > > > > > Please help! > > > > > > > > Same here. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > May the most significant bit of your life be positive. > > > > ___ > > > > ceph-users mailing list > > > > ceph-users@lists.ceph.com > > > > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com > > ___ > > ceph-users mailing list > > ceph-users@lists.ceph.com > > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com > ___ > ceph-users mailing list > ceph-users@lists.ceph.com > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
And same here. I'm glad I'm not the only one this is happening to. t. On October 6, 2018 at 10:50:10 AM, David C (dcsysengin...@gmail.com) wrote: Same issue here, Gmail user, member of different lists but only get disabled on ceph-users. Happens about once a month but had three in Sept. On Sat, 6 Oct 2018, 18:28 Janne Johansson, wrote: > Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 15:06 skrev Elias Abacioglu > : > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership > get disabled twice a month. > > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I > see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe > Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, > perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? > > > > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually > gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. > > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most > recently. > > Please help! > > Same here. > > > -- > May the most significant bit of your life be positive. > ___ > ceph-users mailing list > ceph-users@lists.ceph.com > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com > ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Same issue here, Gmail user, member of different lists but only get disabled on ceph-users. Happens about once a month but had three in Sept. On Sat, 6 Oct 2018, 18:28 Janne Johansson, wrote: > Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 15:06 skrev Elias Abacioglu > : > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership > get disabled twice a month. > > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I > see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe > Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, > perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? > > > > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually > gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. > > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most > recently. > > Please help! > > Same here. > > > -- > May the most significant bit of your life be positive. > ___ > ceph-users mailing list > ceph-users@lists.ceph.com > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com > ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Den lör 6 okt. 2018 kl 15:06 skrev Elias Abacioglu : > > Hi, > > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get > disabled twice a month. > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see > this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe > Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps it > wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? > > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets > bounced? Look at my address if you want. > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most recently. > Please help! Same here. -- May the most significant bit of your life be positive. ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Thanks! Do you have bounce message from google in such case (for example for my account v.tols...@selfip.ru ) сб, 6 окт. 2018 г. в 17:43, Marc Roos : > > Of course it is possible, should be easy to track in log files, looks > like all messages originate from the same host. Let me know what gmail > says. > > > Received: from spam1.roosit.eu (spam1.roosit.eu [212.26.193.45]) > by sx.f1-outsourcing.eu (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.4.6.13676) > via ESMTP; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 15:16:24 +0200 (CEST) > Received: from pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com > (pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.202]) > > Received: from spam2.roosit.eu (spam2.roosit.eu [212.19.193.230]) > by sx.f1-outsourcing.eu (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.4.6.13676) > via ESMTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:08:13 +0200 (CEST) > Received: from pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com > (pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.202]) > > Received: from spam2.roosit.eu (spam2.roosit.eu [212.19.193.230]) > by sx.f1-outsourcing.eu (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.4.6.13676) > via ESMTP; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 16:23:27 +0200 (CEST) > Received: from pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com > (pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.202]) > by spam2.roosit.eu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w86ENNK5048828 > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits= > > Received: from spam2.roosit.eu (spam2.roosit.eu [212.19.193.230]) > by sx.f1-outsourcing.eu (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.4.6.13676) > via ESMTP; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:00:11 +0200 (CEST) > Received: from pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com > (pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.202]) > by spam2.roosit.eu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w86C07il043315 > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 > > -Original Message- > From: Vasiliy Tolstov [mailto:v.tols...@selfip.ru] > Sent: zaterdag 6 oktober 2018 16:34 > To: Marc Roos > Cc: ceph-users@lists.ceph.com; elias.abacio...@deltaprojects.com > Subject: *SPAM* Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues > > сб, 6 окт. 2018 г. в 16:48, Marc Roos : > > > > I have such problems too. And also i have address on gmail (my own > domain). I'm asked from list admins to provide bounce message to contact > google team. But after three days nobody answered. > I don't think that is possible to ask google without message from mailer > about bounce. > > -- > Vasiliy Tolstov, > e-mail: v.tols...@selfip.ru > > -- Vasiliy Tolstov, e-mail: v.tols...@selfip.ru ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Of course it is possible, should be easy to track in log files, looks like all messages originate from the same host. Let me know what gmail says. Received: from spam1.roosit.eu (spam1.roosit.eu [212.26.193.45]) by sx.f1-outsourcing.eu (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.4.6.13676) via ESMTP; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 15:16:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com (pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.202]) Received: from spam2.roosit.eu (spam2.roosit.eu [212.19.193.230]) by sx.f1-outsourcing.eu (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.4.6.13676) via ESMTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:08:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com (pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.202]) Received: from spam2.roosit.eu (spam2.roosit.eu [212.19.193.230]) by sx.f1-outsourcing.eu (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.4.6.13676) via ESMTP; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 16:23:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com (pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.202]) by spam2.roosit.eu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w86ENNK5048828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits= Received: from spam2.roosit.eu (spam2.roosit.eu [212.19.193.230]) by sx.f1-outsourcing.eu (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.4.6.13676) via ESMTP; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:00:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com (pdx1-mailman01.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.202]) by spam2.roosit.eu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w86C07il043315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 -Original Message- From: Vasiliy Tolstov [mailto:v.tols...@selfip.ru] Sent: zaterdag 6 oktober 2018 16:34 To: Marc Roos Cc: ceph-users@lists.ceph.com; elias.abacio...@deltaprojects.com Subject: *SPAM* Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues сб, 6 окт. 2018 г. в 16:48, Marc Roos : > I have such problems too. And also i have address on gmail (my own domain). I'm asked from list admins to provide bounce message to contact google team. But after three days nobody answered. I don't think that is possible to ask google without message from mailer about bounce. -- Vasiliy Tolstov, e-mail: v.tols...@selfip.ru ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
сб, 6 окт. 2018 г. в 16:48, Marc Roos : > I have such problems too. And also i have address on gmail (my own domain). I'm asked from list admins to provide bounce message to contact google team. But after three days nobody answered. I don't think that is possible to ask google without message from mailer about bounce. -- Vasiliy Tolstov, e-mail: v.tols...@selfip.ru ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
This has happened to me several times as well. This address is hosted on gmail. -Erik On Sat, Oct 6, 2018, 9:06 AM Elias Abacioglu < elias.abacio...@deltaprojects.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get > disabled twice a month. > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see > this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe > Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps > it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? > > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets > bounced? Look at my address if you want. > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most > recently. > Please help! > > Thanks, > Elias > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer wrote: > >> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores. >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date >> and >> google will have similar checks: >> --- >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, >> >> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, >> >> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no >> --- >> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way >> out. >> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. >> >> Christian >> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: >> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >> > >> > > Thanks Christian, >> > > >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. >> > > >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use >> > > a cloud provider). >> > > >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below. >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly >> so >> > if on M$ cloud. >> > >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... >> > > >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know. >> > >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments: >> > --- >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments). >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that >> the >> > recipient can click on. >> > --- >> > >> > Christian >> > >> > > Cheers, >> > > >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Hello, >> > > > >> > > > You're on gmail. >> > > > >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam >> my bet >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control. >> > > > >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm]. >> > > > >> > > > Christian >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> Hi all, >> > > >> >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from >> > > >> ceph-users with the message: >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled >> due >> > > >> to excessive bounces..." >> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis. >> > > >> >> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming >> from. >> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the >> contact >> > > >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't >> > > >> received any response despite several attempts. >> > > >> >> > > >> Help! >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer >> > > > ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer >> ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications >> ___ >> ceph-users mailing list >> ceph-users@lists.ceph.com >> http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-user
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Maybe ask first gmail? -Original Message- From: Elias Abacioglu [mailto:elias.abacio...@deltaprojects.com] Sent: zaterdag 6 oktober 2018 15:07 To: ceph-users Subject: Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues Hi, I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get disabled twice a month. Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional? Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most recently. Please help! Thanks, Elias On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer wrote: Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores. Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date and google will have similar checks: --- X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL _FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPI KE_H4, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no --- Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way out. The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. Christian On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > > > Thanks Christian, > > > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. > > > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use > > a cloud provider). > > > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below. > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly so > if on M$ cloud. > > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... > > > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know. > > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments: > --- > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments). > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that the > recipient can click on. > --- > > Christian > > > Cheers, > > > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > You're on gmail. > > > > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my bet > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control. > > > > > > Because Google knows best[tm]. > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > > > > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from > > >> ceph-users with the message: > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been d
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Hi again, Did some more investigating: These are the mails I haven't received from yesterday and now: http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030357.html http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030358.html http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030359.html http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030360.html So it could be http://lists.ceph.com/pipermail/ceph-users-ceph.com/2018-October/030357.html that bounced, and it has an attachment. Does that particular mail have higher spam score? /E On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 3:06 PM Elias Abacioglu < elias.abacio...@deltaprojects.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get > disabled twice a month. > Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see > this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe > Christian was on to something, is this intentional? > Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps > it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? > > So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets > bounced? Look at my address if you want. > I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most > recently. > Please help! > > Thanks, > Elias > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer wrote: > >> >> Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however >> once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores. >> Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date >> and >> google will have similar checks: >> --- >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, >> >> >> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, >> >> >> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, >> RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no >> --- >> >> Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way >> out. >> >> The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger >> unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. >> >> Christian >> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: >> >> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >> > >> > > Thanks Christian, >> > > >> > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out >> > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed >> > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. >> > > >> > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the >> > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less >> > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use >> > > a cloud provider). >> > > >> > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below. >> > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly >> so >> > if on M$ cloud. >> > >> > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest >> > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting >> > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... >> > > >> > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know. >> > >> > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments: >> > --- >> > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list >> > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original >> > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments). >> > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that >> the >> > recipient can click on. >> > --- >> > >> > Christian >> > >> > > Cheers, >> > > >> > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Hello, >> > > > >> > > > You're on gmail. >> > > > >> > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam >> my bet >> > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these >> > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control. >> > > > >> > > > Because Google knows best[tm]. >> > > > >> > > > Christian >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> Hi all, >> > > >> >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from >> > > >> ceph-users with the message: >> > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled >> due >> > > >> to excessive bounces..." >> > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis. >> > > >> >> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming >> from. >> > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the >> contact >> > > >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't >> > > >> received any
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Hi, I'm bumping this old thread cause it's getting annoying. My membership get disabled twice a month. Between my two Gmail accounts I'm in more than 25 mailing lists and I see this behavior only here. Why is only ceph-users only affected? Maybe Christian was on to something, is this intentional? Reality is that there is a lot of ceph-users with Gmail accounts, perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to actually trying to figure this one out? So can the maintainers of this list please investigate what actually gets bounced? Look at my address if you want. I got disabled 20181006, 20180927, 20180916, 20180725, 20180718 most recently. Please help! Thanks, Elias On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:41 AM Christian Balzer wrote: > > Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however > once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores. > Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date and > google will have similar checks: > --- > X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, > > > FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, > > > HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, > RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no > --- > > Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way out. > > The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger > unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. > > Christian > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > > > > > Thanks Christian, > > > > > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out > > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed > > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. > > > > > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the > > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less > > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use > > > a cloud provider). > > > > > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below. > > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly > so > > if on M$ cloud. > > > > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest > > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting > > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... > > > > > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know. > > > > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments: > > --- > > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list > > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original > > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments). > > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that the > > recipient can click on. > > --- > > > > Christian > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > You're on gmail. > > > > > > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my > bet > > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these > > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control. > > > > > > > > Because Google knows best[tm]. > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi all, > > > >> > > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from > > > >> ceph-users with the message: > > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled > due > > > >> to excessive bounces..." > > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis. > > > >> > > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming > from. > > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the contact > > > >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't > > > >> received any response despite several attempts. > > > >> > > > >> Help! > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer > > > > ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer > ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications > ___ > ceph-users mailing list > ceph-users@lists.ceph.com > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com > ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Most mails to this ML score low or negatively with SpamAssassin, however once in a while (this is a recent one) we get relatively high scores. Note that the forged bits are false positives, but the SA is up to date and google will have similar checks: --- X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.9 required=10.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RDNS_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID shortcircuit=no autolearn=no --- Between attachment mails and some of these and you're well on your way out. The default mailman settings and logic require 5 bounces to trigger unsubscription and 7 days of NO bounces to reset the counter. Christian On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:23:25 +0900 Christian Balzer wrote: > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > > > Thanks Christian, > > > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out > > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed > > to ceph-users via a gmail account. > > > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the > > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less > > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use > > a cloud provider). > > > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below. > Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly so > if on M$ cloud. > > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest > > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting > > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... > > > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know. > > Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments: > --- > When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list > messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original > attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments). > However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that the > recipient can click on. > --- > > Christian > > > Cheers, > > > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > You're on gmail. > > > > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my bet > > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these > > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control. > > > > > > Because Google knows best[tm]. > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > > > > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from > > >> ceph-users with the message: > > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due > > >> to excessive bounces..." > > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis. > > >> > > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming from. > > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the contact > > >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't > > >> received any response despite several attempts. > > >> > > >> Help! > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer > > > ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications > > > > > > > > -- Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
You're not the only one, happens to me too. I found some old ML thread from a couple years back where someone mentioned the same thing. I do notice from time to time spam coming through (not much though and it seems to come in waves) although I'm not sure how much gmail is bouncing but nobody else seems to complain about spam. Gmail has a 25MB attachment limit and I'd be surprised if someone sends 25MB+ attachments. So it's most likely an attachment with a blocked extension or a "dangerous" link as written here: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6590 Who knows, there might be someone on the list deliberately including a "signature" or attaching a file with a blocked extension to deliberately annoy gmail users in order to "educate" them (I remember similarly annoying behaviour from the Usenet days) On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Blair Bethwaite wrote: > Thanks Christian, > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed > to ceph-users via a gmail account. > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use > a cloud provider). > > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... > > Cheers, > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> You're on gmail. >> >> Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my bet >> is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these >> bounces and that setting is beyond your control. >> >> Because Google knows best[tm]. >> >> Christian >> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from >>> ceph-users with the message: >>> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due >>> to excessive bounces..." >>> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis. >>> >>> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming from. >>> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the contact >>> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't >>> received any response despite several attempts. >>> >>> Help! >>> >> >> >> -- >> Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer >> ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications > > > > -- > Cheers, > ~Blairo > ___ > ceph-users mailing list > ceph-users@lists.ceph.com > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:15:22 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > Thanks Christian, > > You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out > what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed > to ceph-users via a gmail account. > > Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the > first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less > strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use > a cloud provider). > Mailman doesn't do anything with this by default AFAIK, but see below. Strict is fine if you're in control, corporate mail can be hell, doubly so if on M$ cloud. > This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest > mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting > delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... > Don't think google domain is handled differently, but what do I know. Though the digest bit confirms my suspicion about attachments: --- When a subscriber chooses to receive plain text daily “digests” of list messages, Mailman sends the digest messages without any original attachments (in Mailman lingo, it “scrubs” the messages of attachments). However, Mailman also includes links to the original attachments that the recipient can click on. --- Christian > Cheers, > > On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > You're on gmail. > > > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my bet > > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these > > bounces and that setting is beyond your control. > > > > Because Google knows best[tm]. > > > > Christian > > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from > >> ceph-users with the message: > >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due > >> to excessive bounces..." > >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis. > >> > >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming from. > >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the contact > >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't > >> received any response despite several attempts. > >> > >> Help! > >> > > > > > > -- > > Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer > > ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications > > > -- Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Thanks Christian, You're no doubt on the right track, but I'd really like to figure out what it is at my end - I'm unlikely to be the only person subscribed to ceph-users via a gmail account. Re. attachments, I'm surprised mailman would be allowing them in the first place, and even so gmail's attachment requirements are less strict than most corporate email setups (those that don't already use a cloud provider). This started happening earlier in the year after I turned off digest mode. I also have a paid google domain, maybe I'll try setting delivery to that address and seeing if anything changes... Cheers, On 16 October 2017 at 13:54, Christian Balzer wrote: > > Hello, > > You're on gmail. > > Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my bet > is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these > bounces and that setting is beyond your control. > > Because Google knows best[tm]. > > Christian > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from >> ceph-users with the message: >> "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due >> to excessive bounces..." >> This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis. >> >> Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming from. >> I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the contact >> listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't >> received any response despite several attempts. >> >> Help! >> > > > -- > Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer > ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications -- Cheers, ~Blairo ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] list admin issues
Hello, You're on gmail. Aside from various potential false positives with regards to spam my bet is that gmail's known dislike for attachments is the cause of these bounces and that setting is beyond your control. Because Google knows best[tm]. Christian On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:50:43 +1100 Blair Bethwaite wrote: > Hi all, > > This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from > ceph-users with the message: > "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due > to excessive bounces..." > This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis. > > Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming from. > I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the contact > listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't > received any response despite several attempts. > > Help! > -- Christian BalzerNetwork/Systems Engineer ch...@gol.com Rakuten Communications ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
[ceph-users] list admin issues
Hi all, This is a mailing-list admin issue - I keep being unsubscribed from ceph-users with the message: "Your membership in the mailing list ceph-users has been disabled due to excessive bounces..." This seems to be happening on roughly a monthly basis. Thing is I have no idea what the bounce is or where it is coming from. I've tried emailing ceph-users-ow...@lists.ceph.com and the contact listed in Mailman (l...@redhat.com) to get more info but haven't received any response despite several attempts. Help! -- Cheers, ~Blairo ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com