Re: Moving to DC

[Maureen]

That is legal in California.  I hate it, but apparently there have
been few accidents because of it, and no fatalities.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Scott Stewart
 wrote:
>
> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
> door fairly quickly...

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RE: Moving to DC

[Eric Roberts]

Don't they call that a Yeehaw! Moment?

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I don't 'cause I live here and I know what some of the dumb rednecks
around here will stoop to doing, and think about the consequences
later...

I know it would never pass the Virginia legislature because of the
elitist attitude that abounds there, like I said "If I can't go you
can't either"

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 11:51 AM, Scott Stewart wrote:
>>
>> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
>> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
>> door fairly quickly...
>
> SEE!  I told you somebody would invariably say that.
>
> I call complete BS.  If somebody did that, yeah they would seriously
> injure (or kill) a motorcyclist and end up in jail as a result.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> 



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Re: Moving to DC

[Larry C. Lyons]

That is of course if they allow for any transportation funding at all.
Given the current state government's hostility to this area, and the
power of the Richmond and Tidewater legislators, I really doubt that
this region will get anything more than a trickle of DOT project money
for a while.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Scott Stewart  wrote:
>
> I don't 'cause I live here and I know what some of the dumb rednecks
> around here will stoop to doing, and think about the consequences
> later...
>
> I know it would never pass the Virginia legislature because of the
> elitist attitude that abounds there, like I said "If I can't go you
> can't either"
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM, RobG  wrote:
>>
>> On 11/8/10 11:51 AM, Scott Stewart wrote:
>>>
>>> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
>>> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
>>> door fairly quickly...
>>
>> SEE!  I told you somebody would invariably say that.
>>
>> I call complete BS.  If somebody did that, yeah they would seriously
>> injure (or kill) a motorcyclist and end up in jail as a result.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[Scott Stewart]

You've never seen Beltway traffic..  there are very long stretches of
not moving, or moving at 5 MPH... same holds true for 95 South during
the summer..

I have ridden and I wouldn't dare try splitting in DC traffic your're
too busy making sure that the cars around you are actually paying
attention to what they're doing, much less you.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:32 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 12:09 PM, Scott Stewart wrote:
>>
>> unfortunately I don't think that would fly on the East Coast...
>> There's too much "If I can't go he can't either" hence my comment
>> about a rider being introduced to the inside of a door.
>>
>> I'll caveat this by saying I've recently moved out of an area with the
>> worst drivers in the US (North Carolina), and I could just see some
>> poor guy on his bike getting upended by Joe Redneck "accidently"
>> opening his driver's side door in traffic.
>
> Again, properly publicized, and making it known that anything like that
> is going to be treated as an assault charge, I don't see it happening.
>
> Plus, how many people are going to try to open their door while MOVING?
> AND, how many people do you know who are constantly staring in their
> side mirror just waiting for a motorcycle to come along?  More than
> likely we'll be past them before they have a chance to do anything.
>
> Besides, when splitting in California, we automatically watch a car's
> front tires (to see if it starts to turn), plus the driver's side mirror
> to see what they're looking at/doing/etc.  We HAVE to be able to foresee
> what might happen in order to react.
>
> And it's all worth it because if you've never ridden, you won't
> understand just how much fun it is, even at completely legal speeds.
>
> Rob
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[Larry C. Lyons]

You mean to Vienna..

Omniride is OK but we've timed it and taking OmniRide to Vienna, then
the Orange Line to MetroCenter, then the Red Line to Bethesda takes
about 2 hours. The VRE is about the same maybe a bit shorter. Driving
averages about an hour and a quarter.

OmniRide works pretty good now - it has free wireless in several of
their buses. But the bus schedule never worked out very well for us,
and that 2 hour slog is a killer.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Scott Stewart  wrote:
>
> Larry.. why doesn't she take the Omni-Ride bus to the
> Franconia/Springfield Metro?
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Larry C. Lyons  wrote:
>>
>> Knowing what drivers are like on I-66 I wouldn't be surprised.
>> Actually in this area its almost a guarantee of a near (if not) fatal
>> accident. Those drivers are dangerous.
>>
>> I drive a MIni and in this area I have to be very alert to all those
>> over-sized SUVs whose drivers are usually talking on their cell
>> phones, eating breakfast, putting on makeup etc. A few weeks ago I had
>> to replace a rim and tire after being forced off the pavement because
>> of an SUV driver not paying attention.
>> Another example I remember from last year, I was giving my wife a ride
>> to work and saw some nit actually reading the paper and drinking
>> coffee while traffic was going about 25mph or so.
>>
>> Motorcycles are even more at a risk from those geniuses in this area.
>>
>> While this can be a nice area to live and work, the DC/MD/NoVA area
>> has about the most congested traffic in the country, just behind the
>> LA region. So if you are moving into this area you have to take that
>> into account. For instance my wife works in Bethesda, MD while we live
>> on the western edge of Northern Virginia. Its about 35 to 40 miles one
>> way. During rush hour if you're lucky it takes about an hour and a
>> quarter to an hour and a half. If you're not, the trip can take over 2
>> hours easily.
>>
>> regards,
>> larry
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Scott Stewart  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
>>> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
>>> door fairly quickly...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Larry C. Lyons  
>>> wrote:

 I may be confused. What do you mean by split lanes?

 On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:53 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 10:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>>
>> HOV regulations in Virginia allow motorcycles to use the HOV lanes and
>> I-66 inside the beltway during rush hour.
>
> Yeah that's a federal law, in fact.  But being able to split lanes saves
> a TON of time when traffic inevitably slows down... likewise filtering
> to the front of traffic lights between cars is also a huge time-saver.
> AND (at the risk of sounding like a PDA), studies have shown that it's
> SAFER than not splitting because you're much less likely to get 
> rear-ended.
>
> I can get anywhere in the SF Bay Area or Los Angeles basin in 1/3 the
> time it takes in a car.  I cut my own commute in LA from 45 minutes (9
> miles each way) to 15 minutes because of lane splitting.
>
> Rob
>
>


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[Scott Stewart]

I don't 'cause I live here and I know what some of the dumb rednecks
around here will stoop to doing, and think about the consequences
later...

I know it would never pass the Virginia legislature because of the
elitist attitude that abounds there, like I said "If I can't go you
can't either"

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 11:51 AM, Scott Stewart wrote:
>>
>> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
>> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
>> door fairly quickly...
>
> SEE!  I told you somebody would invariably say that.
>
> I call complete BS.  If somebody did that, yeah they would seriously
> injure (or kill) a motorcyclist and end up in jail as a result.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[RobG]

On 11/8/10 12:09 PM, Scott Stewart wrote:
>
> unfortunately I don't think that would fly on the East Coast...
> There's too much "If I can't go he can't either" hence my comment
> about a rider being introduced to the inside of a door.
>
> I'll caveat this by saying I've recently moved out of an area with the
> worst drivers in the US (North Carolina), and I could just see some
> poor guy on his bike getting upended by Joe Redneck "accidently"
> opening his driver's side door in traffic.

Again, properly publicized, and making it known that anything like that 
is going to be treated as an assault charge, I don't see it happening.

Plus, how many people are going to try to open their door while MOVING? 
AND, how many people do you know who are constantly staring in their 
side mirror just waiting for a motorcycle to come along?  More than 
likely we'll be past them before they have a chance to do anything.

Besides, when splitting in California, we automatically watch a car's 
front tires (to see if it starts to turn), plus the driver's side mirror 
to see what they're looking at/doing/etc.  We HAVE to be able to foresee 
what might happen in order to react.

And it's all worth it because if you've never ridden, you won't 
understand just how much fun it is, even at completely legal speeds.

Rob

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Re: Moving to DC

[Paul Day]

There would also be a rather large contingency of riders that will be more
than happy to remove the door opener's head from their torso. That should be
deterrent enough...


On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM, RobG  wrote:

>
> On 11/8/10 11:51 AM, Scott Stewart wrote:
> >
> > I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
> > the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
> > door fairly quickly...
>
> SEE!  I told you somebody would invariably say that.
>
> I call complete BS.  If somebody did that, yeah they would seriously
> injure (or kill) a motorcyclist and end up in jail as a result.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[RobG]

On 11/8/10 12:07 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> Knowing what drivers are like on I-66 I wouldn't be surprised.

No offense but everybody says this about just about everywhere.  We all 
think we live with the worst drivers. :)

> I drive a MIni and in this area I have to be very alert to all those
> over-sized SUVs whose drivers are usually talking on their cell
> phones, eating breakfast, putting on makeup etc. A few weeks ago I had
> to replace a rim and tire after being forced off the pavement because
> of an SUV driver not paying attention.

This is why (whether in a car or on a bike), I stay away from clumps of 
traffic.  It's just inviting disaster, but even moreso on a bike. 
People will notice you if you give them a reason to notice you.  Staying 
near them in traffic at the same speed is akin to having a cloaking 
device, no matter how many lights you might have on.

Also no offense, but if you think you're alert in your car, try riding a 
motorcycle.  Stuff that would just piss you off would kill us, so we 
learn very quickly to predict what other cars are going to do before 
they do it, and avoid it.

> While this can be a nice area to live and work, the DC/MD/NoVA area
> has about the most congested traffic in the country, just behind the
> LA region.

Yeah I think LA is probably the worst in congestion, which is why lane 
splitting works so well.

I think the concept can be successfully introduced to any area.  It can 
be easily billed as "pro-green" because motorcycles get easily double 
the gas mileage of a car (3x that of an SUV).  They're smaller, easier 
to park, as of the last few years, they have the same emissions controls 
as cars so they're clean-burning too.

But with a proper "introduction" to the public... i.e. pass the law 
legalizing it, but don't "activate" it for a month or so, and then let 
the local TV news and newspapers advertise it.  Make it known that the 
cops aren't going to tolerate cars messing with bikes, but at the same 
time, they expect riders to be equally courteous of cars.

I'm actively working with a local state rep here in Oregon to get lane 
splitting legalized in 2011.  If there's any way to make it happen, I'm 
going to make it happen.

Rob

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Re: Moving to DC

[RobG]

On 11/8/10 11:51 AM, Scott Stewart wrote:
>
> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
> door fairly quickly...

SEE!  I told you somebody would invariably say that.

I call complete BS.  If somebody did that, yeah they would seriously 
injure (or kill) a motorcyclist and end up in jail as a result.

Rob



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Re: Moving to DC

[Scott Stewart]

Larry.. why doesn't she take the Omni-Ride bus to the
Franconia/Springfield Metro?

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Larry C. Lyons  wrote:
>
> Knowing what drivers are like on I-66 I wouldn't be surprised.
> Actually in this area its almost a guarantee of a near (if not) fatal
> accident. Those drivers are dangerous.
>
> I drive a MIni and in this area I have to be very alert to all those
> over-sized SUVs whose drivers are usually talking on their cell
> phones, eating breakfast, putting on makeup etc. A few weeks ago I had
> to replace a rim and tire after being forced off the pavement because
> of an SUV driver not paying attention.
> Another example I remember from last year, I was giving my wife a ride
> to work and saw some nit actually reading the paper and drinking
> coffee while traffic was going about 25mph or so.
>
> Motorcycles are even more at a risk from those geniuses in this area.
>
> While this can be a nice area to live and work, the DC/MD/NoVA area
> has about the most congested traffic in the country, just behind the
> LA region. So if you are moving into this area you have to take that
> into account. For instance my wife works in Bethesda, MD while we live
> on the western edge of Northern Virginia. Its about 35 to 40 miles one
> way. During rush hour if you're lucky it takes about an hour and a
> quarter to an hour and a half. If you're not, the trip can take over 2
> hours easily.
>
> regards,
> larry
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Scott Stewart  
> wrote:
>>
>> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
>> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
>> door fairly quickly...
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Larry C. Lyons  wrote:
>>>
>>> I may be confused. What do you mean by split lanes?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:53 PM, RobG  wrote:

 On 11/8/10 10:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> HOV regulations in Virginia allow motorcycles to use the HOV lanes and
> I-66 inside the beltway during rush hour.

 Yeah that's a federal law, in fact.  But being able to split lanes saves
 a TON of time when traffic inevitably slows down... likewise filtering
 to the front of traffic lights between cars is also a huge time-saver.
 AND (at the risk of sounding like a PDA), studies have shown that it's
 SAFER than not splitting because you're much less likely to get rear-ended.

 I can get anywhere in the SF Bay Area or Los Angeles basin in 1/3 the
 time it takes in a car.  I cut my own commute in LA from 45 minutes (9
 miles each way) to 15 minutes because of lane splitting.

 Rob


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[Scott Stewart]

unfortunately I don't think that would fly on the East Coast...
There's too much "If I can't go he can't either" hence my comment
about a rider being introduced to the inside of a door.

I'll caveat this by saying I've recently moved out of an area with the
worst drivers in the US (North Carolina), and I could just see some
poor guy on his bike getting upended by Joe Redneck "accidently"
opening his driver's side door in traffic.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:04 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 11:15 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>>
>> I may be confused. What do you mean by split lanes?
>
> www.laneshare.org
>
> Being able to ride between the lanes of cars.  It's common practice in
> California and has been for decades.
>
> The rule of thumb is this... at speeds below 35 mph (such as on a
> freeway), in heavy traffic, you can move over and ride between the cars.
>  People are aware of this and usually will move over for you.  In rare
> cases, they don't, so you drop back in behind them until you can get
> around them.  You should never go more than 10-15 mph over the flow of
> traffic, and naturally never above the posted speed limit.  This
> generally only happens between the #1 and #2 lanes (the far left lane
> and the one next to it), but is occasionally done in the other lanes,
> but isn't recommended.
>
> In town, the same rule applies, except that at traffic lights, you can
> ride right up to the front of the light in between cars, where you are
> always the first out of the light, out in front of all that traffic.
>
> The end result of all this is that motorcycles don't exist in traffic
> with relation to cars, and vice versa.  We can go between cars, and they
> don't really have to deal with us being "in the way" because we're
> between them instead of in front of them when traffic is slow-moving.
>
> Describing this to non-riders usually gets a typically bone-headed
> response of, "duh, what happens if somebody opens their door?"  Well,
> it'll hurt.  BUT, fact is, it doesn't happen.  People are very
> respectful of bikes and usually give them space.  In fact, the only cars
> I've ever encountered that don't are Priuses, since they tend to think
> they own the road.  But as of 1/1/11, hybrids are being banished from
> the carpool lane in California, much to their chagrin.
>
> Rob
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[Larry C. Lyons]

Knowing what drivers are like on I-66 I wouldn't be surprised.
Actually in this area its almost a guarantee of a near (if not) fatal
accident. Those drivers are dangerous.

I drive a MIni and in this area I have to be very alert to all those
over-sized SUVs whose drivers are usually talking on their cell
phones, eating breakfast, putting on makeup etc. A few weeks ago I had
to replace a rim and tire after being forced off the pavement because
of an SUV driver not paying attention.
Another example I remember from last year, I was giving my wife a ride
to work and saw some nit actually reading the paper and drinking
coffee while traffic was going about 25mph or so.

Motorcycles are even more at a risk from those geniuses in this area.

While this can be a nice area to live and work, the DC/MD/NoVA area
has about the most congested traffic in the country, just behind the
LA region. So if you are moving into this area you have to take that
into account. For instance my wife works in Bethesda, MD while we live
on the western edge of Northern Virginia. Its about 35 to 40 miles one
way. During rush hour if you're lucky it takes about an hour and a
quarter to an hour and a half. If you're not, the trip can take over 2
hours easily.

regards,
larry

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Scott Stewart  wrote:
>
> I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
> the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
> door fairly quickly...
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Larry C. Lyons  wrote:
>>
>> I may be confused. What do you mean by split lanes?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:53 PM, RobG  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/8/10 10:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:

 HOV regulations in Virginia allow motorcycles to use the HOV lanes and
 I-66 inside the beltway during rush hour.
>>>
>>> Yeah that's a federal law, in fact.  But being able to split lanes saves
>>> a TON of time when traffic inevitably slows down... likewise filtering
>>> to the front of traffic lights between cars is also a huge time-saver.
>>> AND (at the risk of sounding like a PDA), studies have shown that it's
>>> SAFER than not splitting because you're much less likely to get rear-ended.
>>>
>>> I can get anywhere in the SF Bay Area or Los Angeles basin in 1/3 the
>>> time it takes in a car.  I cut my own commute in LA from 45 minutes (9
>>> miles each way) to 15 minutes because of lane splitting.
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[RobG]

On 11/8/10 11:15 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> I may be confused. What do you mean by split lanes?

www.laneshare.org

Being able to ride between the lanes of cars.  It's common practice in 
California and has been for decades.

The rule of thumb is this... at speeds below 35 mph (such as on a 
freeway), in heavy traffic, you can move over and ride between the cars. 
  People are aware of this and usually will move over for you.  In rare 
cases, they don't, so you drop back in behind them until you can get 
around them.  You should never go more than 10-15 mph over the flow of 
traffic, and naturally never above the posted speed limit.  This 
generally only happens between the #1 and #2 lanes (the far left lane 
and the one next to it), but is occasionally done in the other lanes, 
but isn't recommended.

In town, the same rule applies, except that at traffic lights, you can 
ride right up to the front of the light in between cars, where you are 
always the first out of the light, out in front of all that traffic.

The end result of all this is that motorcycles don't exist in traffic 
with relation to cars, and vice versa.  We can go between cars, and they 
don't really have to deal with us being "in the way" because we're 
between them instead of in front of them when traffic is slow-moving.

Describing this to non-riders usually gets a typically bone-headed 
response of, "duh, what happens if somebody opens their door?"  Well, 
it'll hurt.  BUT, fact is, it doesn't happen.  People are very 
respectful of bikes and usually give them space.  In fact, the only cars 
I've ever encountered that don't are Priuses, since they tend to think 
they own the road.  But as of 1/1/11, hybrids are being banished from 
the carpool lane in California, much to their chagrin.

Rob

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Re: Moving to DC

[Scott Stewart]

I think he means riding between lanes of stopped traffic.. which on
the east coast may introduce a motorcyclist to the inside of a car
door fairly quickly...

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Larry C. Lyons  wrote:
>
> I may be confused. What do you mean by split lanes?
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:53 PM, RobG  wrote:
>>
>> On 11/8/10 10:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>>>
>>> HOV regulations in Virginia allow motorcycles to use the HOV lanes and
>>> I-66 inside the beltway during rush hour.
>>
>> Yeah that's a federal law, in fact.  But being able to split lanes saves
>> a TON of time when traffic inevitably slows down... likewise filtering
>> to the front of traffic lights between cars is also a huge time-saver.
>> AND (at the risk of sounding like a PDA), studies have shown that it's
>> SAFER than not splitting because you're much less likely to get rear-ended.
>>
>> I can get anywhere in the SF Bay Area or Los Angeles basin in 1/3 the
>> time it takes in a car.  I cut my own commute in LA from 45 minutes (9
>> miles each way) to 15 minutes because of lane splitting.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[Larry C. Lyons]

I may be confused. What do you mean by split lanes?

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:53 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 10:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>>
>> HOV regulations in Virginia allow motorcycles to use the HOV lanes and
>> I-66 inside the beltway during rush hour.
>
> Yeah that's a federal law, in fact.  But being able to split lanes saves
> a TON of time when traffic inevitably slows down... likewise filtering
> to the front of traffic lights between cars is also a huge time-saver.
> AND (at the risk of sounding like a PDA), studies have shown that it's
> SAFER than not splitting because you're much less likely to get rear-ended.
>
> I can get anywhere in the SF Bay Area or Los Angeles basin in 1/3 the
> time it takes in a car.  I cut my own commute in LA from 45 minutes (9
> miles each way) to 15 minutes because of lane splitting.
>
> Rob
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[RobG]

On 11/8/10 10:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> HOV regulations in Virginia allow motorcycles to use the HOV lanes and
> I-66 inside the beltway during rush hour.

Yeah that's a federal law, in fact.  But being able to split lanes saves 
a TON of time when traffic inevitably slows down... likewise filtering 
to the front of traffic lights between cars is also a huge time-saver. 
AND (at the risk of sounding like a PDA), studies have shown that it's 
SAFER than not splitting because you're much less likely to get rear-ended.

I can get anywhere in the SF Bay Area or Los Angeles basin in 1/3 the 
time it takes in a car.  I cut my own commute in LA from 45 minutes (9 
miles each way) to 15 minutes because of lane splitting.

Rob

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Re: Moving to DC

[Larry C. Lyons]

HOV regulations in Virginia allow motorcycles to use the HOV lanes and
I-66 inside the beltway during rush hour.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:04 PM, RobG  wrote:
>
> On 11/8/10 8:35 AM, Jacob wrote:
>>
>> Metro is the only way to get around in DC. Forget about driving, let alone
>> finding a place to park...
>
> If they would legalize lane splitting in DC/Virginia and surrounding
> areas, it would open up a whole new way to commute (motorcycle).  It
> works really, REALLY well in California.  It's the whole reason I
> started riding.
>
> Rob
>
> 

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Re: Moving to DC

[RobG]

On 11/8/10 8:35 AM, Jacob wrote:
>
> Metro is the only way to get around in DC. Forget about driving, let alone
> finding a place to park...

If they would legalize lane splitting in DC/Virginia and surrounding 
areas, it would open up a whole new way to commute (motorcycle).  It 
works really, REALLY well in California.  It's the whole reason I 
started riding.

Rob

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Re: Moving to DC

[sonicDivx]

Jason if you are still looking for a job, just got pinged by some
recruiters so can pass along if you want

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Levi Wallach  wrote:
>
> That's a pretty blanket statement.  I've been commuting by car for 15 
> years.  All until the last 3 months were under 30 minutes each way.
>
>
>
> -- Sent from my Palm Pre
> On Nov 8, 2010 11:39 AM, Jacob  wrote:
>
>
>
> Metro is the only way to get around in DC. Forget about driving, let alone
>
> finding a place to park...
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
>
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:59 PM
>
> To: cf-jobs-talk
>
> Subject: Re: Moving to DC
>
>
>
>
>
> My sister had a nice place in Greenbelt, Maryland.  Clean, low crime, not
>
> too expensive, with an easy commute to the city on the Metro.
>
> Also, my cousin recently bought a nice place in Woodbridge, VA, with the
>
> same attributes.
>
>
>
> Good luck with the new job.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Jason Birchman 
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington,
>
> DC. Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or
>
> rent a house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for
>
> my dogs. What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have
>
> single family homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in
>
> taxes? Commuting by train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical
>
> salary range for Senior CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!
>
> >
>
> > - Jason
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: Moving to DC

[Levi Wallach]

That's a pretty blanket statement.  I've been commuting by car for 15 
years.  All until the last 3 months were under 30 minutes each way.



-- Sent from my Palm Pre
On Nov 8, 2010 11:39 AM, Jacob  wrote: 



Metro is the only way to get around in DC. Forget about driving, let alone

finding a place to park...



-Original Message-

From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] 

Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:59 PM

To: cf-jobs-talk

Subject: Re: Moving to DC





My sister had a nice place in Greenbelt, Maryland.  Clean, low crime, not

too expensive, with an easy commute to the city on the Metro.

Also, my cousin recently bought a nice place in Woodbridge, VA, with the

same attributes.



Good luck with the new job.



On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Jason Birchman 

wrote:

>

> I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington,

DC. Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or

rent a house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for

my dogs. What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have

single family homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in

taxes? Commuting by train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical

salary range for Senior CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!

>

> - Jason









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RE: Moving to DC

[Jacob]

Metro is the only way to get around in DC. Forget about driving, let alone
finding a place to park...

-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:59 PM
To: cf-jobs-talk
Subject: Re: Moving to DC


My sister had a nice place in Greenbelt, Maryland.  Clean, low crime, not
too expensive, with an easy commute to the city on the Metro.
Also, my cousin recently bought a nice place in Woodbridge, VA, with the
same attributes.

Good luck with the new job.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Jason Birchman 
wrote:
>
> I am a Senior ColdFusion Developer that is moving out to the Washington,
DC. Obviously housing is a premium in the DC area. I would like to buy or
rent a house in one of the suburbs, so that we can have a fenced in yard for
my dogs. What suburbs are the safest and most affordable in DC that have
single family homes (not townhomes/apartments)? Which area is lower in
taxes? Commuting by train/light rail would be ideal. Also, what is a typical
salary range for Senior CF Developers in the DC area? Thanks!
>
> - Jason



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