Re: Too much experience - VTC?

[Michael Dinowitz]

We'll be reviewing your title as well as the MX one. Yours is a bit dated, 
but still covers the rather unchanging core of CF. I did a title for a 
company wy back in time and still have some copies, but I don't think I 
made as much as you did. I've done a captivate or two in the past and if I 
can, I'll do some more. Maybe if I do enough, I'll have a VTC type CD.


> Another option, if you want to share the love, is to do a title for
> VTC (Virtual Training Co.). I created a title for them on CF5 a few
> years back on how to write a db-driven community site in CF and got
> $4k up-front against future sales. The title hasn't done as well as
> either of us would have hoped (looking back on it now I'm a little
> embarrassed by the coding techniques I was espousing, but then again
> I was learning CF as I was making the CD, so that may be the culprit)
> but I still made my $4k and I have a training CD on my resume, and
> I've been contacted by dozens and dozens of people since it was released.
>
> http://www.vtc.com/cd/cold-fusion.htm
>
> I don't know if they'd take a title on CF frameworks, but if you
> approached them with the concept of a training CD that brings
> together all the different frameworks and their flavors into a
> comparitive How-To, they may buy it, and so may a lot of developers (like 
> me).
>
> What I do know is that VTC does take CF titles... they have two of
> them up there now. Mine, and another by Darcey Spears on ColdFusion
> MX that focuses on components and web services.
>
> http://www.vtc.com/cd/coldfusionmx.htm
>
> If done in a premeditative manner, without distraction, you could
> author a CD in two weeks easy. I would think they'd want the stars of
> the CF World authoring their CDs.
>
> Mik
>
>
> At 06:27 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote:
>>Or, you could collect those materials and see if you couldn't market them 
>>to
>>a publishing company. Maybe you have a friend within the community who is
>>looking to publish a new guide to advanced cf programming concepts, for
>>which your materials might make a welcome addition on the bonus CD/DVD. 
>>Or,
>>you could sit down with some of the other greats within the community and
>>write a book yourself.
>>
>>There's a very empty niche out there, right now, with regards to CF
>>frameworks. The only books are on FB, and I don't think any of them even
>>cover 4.1 yet, even with 5 on the way. I sent Hal Helms an email, about a
>>year ago, about when we might see a book on Mach II (since there was so
>>little documentation out there), and he told me he was just way too busy 
>>to
>>write one right then. Still hasn't happened, and I don't think he's 
>>working
>>on one now either.
>>
>>OK, ya gotta eat. There seems to be a ton of telecommute opps popping up
>>here day to day. Do some contract stuff, write the ultimate
>>beginning/intermediate cfframeworks guide, and make a bundle as the hero 
>>of
>>the CF community for demystifying advanced programming concepts for the
>>un-initiated.
>>
>>Steve "Cutter" Blades
>>ColdFusion Application Developer
>
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Re: Too much experience

[Michael Dinowitz]

Look at my old CFSCRIPT docs linked from the front of HoF. I'm building out 
a lot of my old docs into a tutorials section that can eventually be bound 
together as a CF cookbook. Actually, I have to go experiment to see if 
setting a cookie through cfparam makes it a session based cookie (as what 
happens when using cfset) or a longer one (as with cfcookie). Maybe I should 
charge for my experiment writeups. :)
Of I can just post them to blog of fusion and collect them later.


> I'd love to see more online publications for CF Developers.  Why should I
> have to haul around a 20lb book to find what I need?
>
> Mike, you should start a subscription-based website and write us an online
> book. :D Something we could log onto anywhere.  Anything would be easier 
> to
> use than Macromedia's website.
>
> Sonya
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:23 AM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: Too much experience
>
>
>  There is no money in publishing. unless you have massive sales.  There
> aren't enough CF Developers to generate massive sales.  I don't think
> publishing is a solution.  It will just make 'you' look more experienced,
> and it will be harder to get work.
>
>  Framework books are a niche within a niche, and I'd be surprised if book
> sales would reach 1,000 copies.  When I was dealing w/ a publisher, 20,000
> was the break even point.  If you self publish, I'm sure the break-even
> point is much smaller.
>
>
> At 06:27 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote:
>>Or, you could collect those materials and see if you couldn't market them
> to
>>a publishing company. Maybe you have a friend within the community who is
>>looking to publish a new guide to advanced cf programming concepts, for
>>which your materials might make a welcome addition on the bonus CD/DVD. 
>>Or,
>>you could sit down with some of the other greats within the community and
>>write a book yourself.
>>
>>There's a very empty niche out there, right now, with regards to CF
>>frameworks. The only books are on FB, and I don't think any of them even
>>cover 4.1 yet, even with 5 on the way. I sent Hal Helms an email, about a
>>year ago, about when we might see a book on Mach II (since there was so
>>little documentation out there), and he told me he was just way too busy 
>>to
>>write one right then. Still hasn't happened, and I don't think he's 
>>working
>>on one now either.
>
>
>
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Re: Too much experience

[Michael Dinowitz]

For anyone going this route, Judith is an excellent editor and I was 
technical editor on Ben's RegEx book and one of the technical editors on the 
O'Reilly CF book. With a good editorial team in place (us), all you really 
need is a writer (yourself) and a publisher (can also be yourself). Some 
advertising on sites where your target audience 'lives' will help as well. I 
think I know of a few sites like that. :)

>  The time to write a book is an up front cost.  As a consultant, this is a
> huge expensive.
>  Promotion is another up front cost.  Just because you write it doesn't
> mean it'll sell.
>  For anyone going this route, I'd also recommend getting a copy editor
> (Yes, Michael you could use Judith) and Technical Editor.
>
>  Using a service such as CafePress will give you a lower sell rate to
> profitability than a publisher, though.  Also, you don't have to deal with
> returns.  :ha, ha:  None of my books have sold anything in over a year, 
> but
> still each royalty statement still has anywhere between 5 and 50 book
> returns on it.


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RE: Too much experience

[Mik Muller]

Exactly. You just have to make sure you have money in the bank to 
float you at least six months, if not longer, in case the 
product/service takes longer to lift off the ground.

Also, make sure you can get the legals etc up and running quickly in 
case your product/service really takes off.

Mik


>If you were to start a company, legal costs, time spent making legal
>arrangements, time invested in market research, planning a market strategy,
>and so on is moderately expensive in $ terms, and is also time that could
>have been spent putting in billable hours.
>
>Its not for everyone, but if you trust in your own ability as a programmer
>to build any imaginable system, why not spend some time imagining a system
>you could operate as a profitable business?
>
>Louis Mezo
>LogicSynthesis





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RE: Too much experience

[Louis Mezo]

There is an article entitled "The New [Tech] Boom" by Chris Anderson in a
recent print edition (14.02) of Wired, which suggests that the current Tech
Boom is not a bubble.

In this article, the author, also Wired's editor in chief, further says:
"...you can start a company today for a tiny fraction of what people spent
five years ago. Joe Kraus, cofounder of Excite, estimates that his new
company, JotSpot, will make it to first revenues with a total investment of
about $100,000 - less than 5 percent of what Excite burned through a decade
earlier. Today companies are starting small and lean and staying that
way..."

If you were to start a company, legal costs, time spent making legal
arrangements, time invested in market research, planning a market strategy,
and so on is moderately expensive in $ terms, and is also time that could
have been spent putting in billable hours.

Its not for everyone, but if you trust in your own ability as a programmer
to build any imaginable system, why not spend some time imagining a system
you could operate as a profitable business?

Louis Mezo
LogicSynthesis
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Re: Too much experience

[Jeffry Houser]

At 02:55 PM 2/14/2006, you wrote:
> >   There is no money in publishing. unless you have massive sales.  There
> >aren't enough CF Developers to generate massive sales.
>
>Yeah, I guess Ben (Forta)'s just livin' on the love...

  Or perhaps the salary provided to him by Allaire Macromedia 
Adobe?  Writing, in his case, is part of his job; as is traveling around 
the world speaking at user groups, conferences, etc...

  I'm sure his sales are better than most CF books, because

a) He is "straight from the horses mouth"
b) He was first!
c) He is constantly in front of people promoting CF

  It's all part of the job.  If Ben gets royalties from the books, I'm sure 
that it constitutes only a small (Probably negligible) portion of his 
overall income.


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Re: Too much experience

[Ray Champagne]

I think Ben's said before that there isn't money in publishing.

He works for Adobe.

Steve Blades wrote:
>>   There is no money in publishing. unless you have massive sales.  There
>> aren't enough CF Developers to generate massive sales.
> 
> Yeah, I guess Ben (Forta)'s just livin' on the love
> 
> Steve "Cutter" Blades
> ColdFusion Application Developer
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: cf-jobs-talk@houseoffusion.com
>> To: CF-Jobs-Talk 
>> Subject: Re: Too much experience
>> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:23:23 -0500
>>
>>   There is no money in publishing. unless you have massive sales.  There
>> aren't enough CF Developers to generate massive sales.  I don't think
>> publishing is a solution.  It will just make 'you' look more experienced,
>> and it will be harder to get work.
>>
>>   Framework books are a niche within a niche, and I'd be surprised if book
>> sales would reach 1,000 copies.  When I was dealing w/ a publisher, 20,000
>> was the break even point.  If you self publish, I'm sure the break-even
>> point is much smaller.
>>
>>
>> At 06:27 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote:
>>> Or, you could collect those materials and see if you couldn't market them 
>> to
>>> a publishing company. Maybe you have a friend within the community who is
>>> looking to publish a new guide to advanced cf programming concepts, for
>>> which your materials might make a welcome addition on the bonus CD/DVD. 
>> Or,
>>> you could sit down with some of the other greats within the community and
>>> write a book yourself.
>>>
>>> There's a very empty niche out there, right now, with regards to CF
>>> frameworks. The only books are on FB, and I don't think any of them even
>>> cover 4.1 yet, even with 5 on the way. I sent Hal Helms an email, about a
>>> year ago, about when we might see a book on Mach II (since there was so
>>> little documentation out there), and he told me he was just way too busy 
>> to
>>> write one right then. Still hasn't happened, and I don't think he's 
>> working
>>> on one now either.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer
>> AIM: Reboog711  | Phone: 1-203-379-0773
>> --
>> My Company: <http://www.dot-com-it.com>
>> My Books: <http://www.instantcoldfusion.com>
>> My Recording Studio: <http://www.fcfstudios.com>
>> Connecticut Macromedia User Group: <http://www.ctmug.com>
>> Now Blogging at <http://www.jeffryhouser.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 

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Re: Too much experience

[Aaron Rouse]

Considering he works for Adobe and prior for MACR, I'd guess he was not
making enough to put food on the table solely off book sales.

On 2/14/06, Steve Blades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >   There is no money in publishing. unless you have massive sales.  There
> >aren't enough CF Developers to generate massive sales.
>
> Yeah, I guess Ben (Forta)'s just livin' on the love
>
> Steve "Cutter" Blades
> ColdFusion Application Developer
>
>
>
>
> >From: Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: cf-jobs-talk@houseoffusion.com
> >To: CF-Jobs-Talk 
> >Subject: Re: Too much experience
> >Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:23:23 -0500
> >
> >   There is no money in publishing. unless you have massive sales.  There
> >aren't enough CF Developers to generate massive sales.  I don't think
> >publishing is a solution.  It will just make 'you' look more experienced,
> >and it will be harder to get work.
> >
> >   Framework books are a niche within a niche, and I'd be surprised if
> book
> >sales would reach 1,000 copies.  When I was dealing w/ a publisher,
> 20,000
> >was the break even point.  If you self publish, I'm sure the break-even
> >point is much smaller.
> >
> >
> >At 06:27 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote:
> > >Or, you could collect those materials and see if you couldn't market
> them
> >to
> > >a publishing company. Maybe you have a friend within the community who
> is
> > >looking to publish a new guide to advanced cf programming concepts, for
> > >which your materials might make a welcome addition on the bonus CD/DVD.
> >Or,
> > >you could sit down with some of the other greats within the community
> and
> > >write a book yourself.
> > >
> > >There's a very empty niche out there, right now, with regards to CF
> > >frameworks. The only books are on FB, and I don't think any of them
> even
> > >cover 4.1 yet, even with 5 on the way. I sent Hal Helms an email, about
> a
> > >year ago, about when we might see a book on Mach II (since there was so
> > >little documentation out there), and he told me he was just way too
> busy
> >to
> > >write one right then. Still hasn't happened, and I don't think he's
> >working
> > >on one now either.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer
> >AIM: Reboog711  | Phone: 1-203-379-0773
> >--
> >My Company: <http://www.dot-com-it.com>
> >My Books: <http://www.instantcoldfusion.com>
> >My Recording Studio: <http://www.fcfstudios.com>
> >Connecticut Macromedia User Group: <http://www.ctmug.com>
> >Now Blogging at <http://www.jeffryhouser.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Too much experience

[Steve Blades]

>   There is no money in publishing. unless you have massive sales.  There
>aren't enough CF Developers to generate massive sales.

Yeah, I guess Ben (Forta)'s just livin' on the love

Steve "Cutter" Blades
ColdFusion Application Developer




>From: Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: cf-jobs-talk@houseoffusion.com
>To: CF-Jobs-Talk 
>Subject: Re: Too much experience
>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:23:23 -0500
>
>   There is no money in publishing. unless you have massive sales.  There
>aren't enough CF Developers to generate massive sales.  I don't think
>publishing is a solution.  It will just make 'you' look more experienced,
>and it will be harder to get work.
>
>   Framework books are a niche within a niche, and I'd be surprised if book
>sales would reach 1,000 copies.  When I was dealing w/ a publisher, 20,000
>was the break even point.  If you self publish, I'm sure the break-even
>point is much smaller.
>
>
>At 06:27 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote:
> >Or, you could collect those materials and see if you couldn't market them 
>to
> >a publishing company. Maybe you have a friend within the community who is
> >looking to publish a new guide to advanced cf programming concepts, for
> >which your materials might make a welcome addition on the bonus CD/DVD. 
>Or,
> >you could sit down with some of the other greats within the community and
> >write a book yourself.
> >
> >There's a very empty niche out there, right now, with regards to CF
> >frameworks. The only books are on FB, and I don't think any of them even
> >cover 4.1 yet, even with 5 on the way. I sent Hal Helms an email, about a
> >year ago, about when we might see a book on Mach II (since there was so
> >little documentation out there), and he told me he was just way too busy 
>to
> >write one right then. Still hasn't happened, and I don't think he's 
>working
> >on one now either.
>
>
>
>--
>Jeffry Houser, Software Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer
>AIM: Reboog711  | Phone: 1-203-379-0773
>--
>My Company: <http://www.dot-com-it.com>
>My Books: <http://www.instantcoldfusion.com>
>My Recording Studio: <http://www.fcfstudios.com>
>Connecticut Macromedia User Group: <http://www.ctmug.com>
>Now Blogging at <http://www.jeffryhouser.com>
>
>
>
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Re: Too much experience

[Jeffry Houser]

  The time to write a book is an up front cost.  As a consultant, this is a 
huge expensive.
  Promotion is another up front cost.  Just because you write it doesn't 
mean it'll sell.
  For anyone going this route, I'd also recommend getting a copy editor 
(Yes, Michael you could use Judith) and Technical Editor.

  Using a service such as CafePress will give you a lower sell rate to 
profitability than a publisher, though.  Also, you don't have to deal with 
returns.  :ha, ha:  None of my books have sold anything in over a year, but 
still each royalty statement still has anywhere between 5 and 50 book 
returns on it.

At 08:40 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote:
>A niche book like that could be sold via Cafepress, where the up-front
>costs are $0.
>
>http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/books.aspx
>
>That way your break-even cost really just relates to the time you
>invest personally.
>
>On 2/14/06, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >   Framework books are a niche within a niche, and I'd be surprised if book
> > sales would reach 1,000 copies.  When I was dealing w/ a publisher, 20,000
> > was the break even point.  If you self publish, I'm sure the break-even
> > point is much smaller.
>
>--
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RE: Too much experience

[Sonya Hughes]

I'd love to see more online publications for CF Developers.  Why should I
have to haul around a 20lb book to find what I need?

Mike, you should start a subscription-based website and write us an online
book. :D Something we could log onto anywhere.  Anything would be easier to
use than Macromedia's website.

Sonya

-Original Message-
From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:23 AM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: Too much experience


  There is no money in publishing. unless you have massive sales.  There
aren't enough CF Developers to generate massive sales.  I don't think
publishing is a solution.  It will just make 'you' look more experienced,
and it will be harder to get work.

  Framework books are a niche within a niche, and I'd be surprised if book
sales would reach 1,000 copies.  When I was dealing w/ a publisher, 20,000
was the break even point.  If you self publish, I'm sure the break-even
point is much smaller.


At 06:27 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote:
>Or, you could collect those materials and see if you couldn't market them
to
>a publishing company. Maybe you have a friend within the community who is
>looking to publish a new guide to advanced cf programming concepts, for
>which your materials might make a welcome addition on the bonus CD/DVD. Or,
>you could sit down with some of the other greats within the community and
>write a book yourself.
>
>There's a very empty niche out there, right now, with regards to CF
>frameworks. The only books are on FB, and I don't think any of them even
>cover 4.1 yet, even with 5 on the way. I sent Hal Helms an email, about a
>year ago, about when we might see a book on Mach II (since there was so
>little documentation out there), and he told me he was just way too busy to
>write one right then. Still hasn't happened, and I don't think he's working
>on one now either.



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Re: Too much experience

[James Holmes]

A niche book like that could be sold via Cafepress, where the up-front
costs are $0.

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/books.aspx

That way your break-even cost really just relates to the time you
invest personally.

On 2/14/06, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Framework books are a niche within a niche, and I'd be surprised if book
> sales would reach 1,000 copies.  When I was dealing w/ a publisher, 20,000
> was the break even point.  If you self publish, I'm sure the break-even
> point is much smaller.

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Re: Too much experience

[Jeffry Houser]

  There is no money in publishing. unless you have massive sales.  There 
aren't enough CF Developers to generate massive sales.  I don't think 
publishing is a solution.  It will just make 'you' look more experienced, 
and it will be harder to get work.

  Framework books are a niche within a niche, and I'd be surprised if book 
sales would reach 1,000 copies.  When I was dealing w/ a publisher, 20,000 
was the break even point.  If you self publish, I'm sure the break-even 
point is much smaller.


At 06:27 AM 2/14/2006, you wrote:
>Or, you could collect those materials and see if you couldn't market them to
>a publishing company. Maybe you have a friend within the community who is
>looking to publish a new guide to advanced cf programming concepts, for
>which your materials might make a welcome addition on the bonus CD/DVD. Or,
>you could sit down with some of the other greats within the community and
>write a book yourself.
>
>There's a very empty niche out there, right now, with regards to CF
>frameworks. The only books are on FB, and I don't think any of them even
>cover 4.1 yet, even with 5 on the way. I sent Hal Helms an email, about a
>year ago, about when we might see a book on Mach II (since there was so
>little documentation out there), and he told me he was just way too busy to
>write one right then. Still hasn't happened, and I don't think he's working
>on one now either.



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Re: Too much experience

[Steve Blades]

Or, you could collect those materials and see if you couldn't market them to 
a publishing company. Maybe you have a friend within the community who is 
looking to publish a new guide to advanced cf programming concepts, for 
which your materials might make a welcome addition on the bonus CD/DVD. Or, 
you could sit down with some of the other greats within the community and 
write a book yourself.

There's a very empty niche out there, right now, with regards to CF 
frameworks. The only books are on FB, and I don't think any of them even 
cover 4.1 yet, even with 5 on the way. I sent Hal Helms an email, about a 
year ago, about when we might see a book on Mach II (since there was so 
little documentation out there), and he told me he was just way too busy to 
write one right then. Still hasn't happened, and I don't think he's working 
on one now either.

OK, ya gotta eat. There seems to be a ton of telecommute opps popping up 
here day to day. Do some contract stuff, write the ultimate 
beginning/intermediate cfframeworks guide, and make a bundle as the hero of 
the CF community for demystifying advanced programming concepts for the 
un-initiated.

Steve "Cutter" Blades
ColdFusion Application Developer




>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Dinowitz)
>Reply-To: cf-jobs-talk@houseoffusion.com
>To: CF-Jobs-Talk 
>Subject: Re: Too much experience
>Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:41:22 -0500
>
>Didn't get a nibble. I'm going to cfobjective to speak. I should find out 
>if
>there are any contracts over there. :)
>Actually, I've been working on getting some of my presentations into a nice
>flow and put them into a tutorial section on HoF. My cfscript presentation
>is up already and one of my regex ones is going up next.
>I should just take my media directory (houseoffusion.com/media) and make
>some podcasts.
>
>
> > Of course we all appreciate everything you've GIVEN away... but you 
>gotta
> > eat somehow. I recall you putting your self out there for consulting 
>when
> > you traveled somewhere a while back (to FL I think). Any luck there? We
> > all
> > know your name is a well known one in the CF community, I'd think
> > consulting, speaking and teaching would be a good market for you... Just 
>a
> > thought.
> >
> > ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
> > Bobby Hartsfield
> > http://acoderslife.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:42 PM
> > To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Too much experience
> >
> > I'm doing that with my various pieces of email code. These lists are all
> > CF
> > driven and the code should be put out there. Problem is, I hate charging
> > for
> >
> > my code.
> >
> >
> >> Perhaps the solution is to build marketable apps that are really very
> >> good, and make your money that way. That's what I'm trying. Takes a
> >> while for it to take off though, that's for sure. But once it's
> >> going, you're good.
> >>
> >> Mik
> >>
> >> At 02:22 PM 2/13/2006, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> >>>I saw another NY based contract on the CF-jobs list but once I saw
> >>>who posted it, I knew I'd never get it. Why? Because I'm too
> >>>experienced. If you have 10+ years in ColdFusion your almost
> >>>un-hirable. If you ask below your worth, the company is worried that
> >>>you will not be happy and will jump ship first chance you get. And
> >>>that's if you take below your worth to begin with. If you ask your
> >>>worth, the head hunter will not send you to the company for fear of
> >>>the company rejecting the resume out of hand. Or to be more real,
> >>>the head hunter will try to talk you down to what he feels is the
> >>>highest the company will go because he gets a percentage and really
> >>>wants to get it. If you ask for a real bid, the chances are the head
> >>>hunter will just not send it along at all. Too many high bids makes
> >>>the head hunter look bad.
> >>>It's a dangerous cliff. Grow and get better but if you get too good,
> >>>you fall off. :(
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Re: Too much experience

[Michael Dinowitz]

Didn't get a nibble. I'm going to cfobjective to speak. I should find out if 
there are any contracts over there. :)
Actually, I've been working on getting some of my presentations into a nice 
flow and put them into a tutorial section on HoF. My cfscript presentation 
is up already and one of my regex ones is going up next.
I should just take my media directory (houseoffusion.com/media) and make 
some podcasts.


> Of course we all appreciate everything you've GIVEN away... but you gotta
> eat somehow. I recall you putting your self out there for consulting when
> you traveled somewhere a while back (to FL I think). Any luck there? We 
> all
> know your name is a well known one in the CF community, I'd think
> consulting, speaking and teaching would be a good market for you... Just a
> thought.
>
> ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
> Bobby Hartsfield
> http://acoderslife.com
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:42 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: Too much experience
>
> I'm doing that with my various pieces of email code. These lists are all 
> CF
> driven and the code should be put out there. Problem is, I hate charging 
> for
>
> my code.
>
>
>> Perhaps the solution is to build marketable apps that are really very
>> good, and make your money that way. That's what I'm trying. Takes a
>> while for it to take off though, that's for sure. But once it's
>> going, you're good.
>>
>> Mik
>>
>> At 02:22 PM 2/13/2006, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>>>I saw another NY based contract on the CF-jobs list but once I saw
>>>who posted it, I knew I'd never get it. Why? Because I'm too
>>>experienced. If you have 10+ years in ColdFusion your almost
>>>un-hirable. If you ask below your worth, the company is worried that
>>>you will not be happy and will jump ship first chance you get. And
>>>that's if you take below your worth to begin with. If you ask your
>>>worth, the head hunter will not send you to the company for fear of
>>>the company rejecting the resume out of hand. Or to be more real,
>>>the head hunter will try to talk you down to what he feels is the
>>>highest the company will go because he gets a percentage and really
>>>wants to get it. If you ask for a real bid, the chances are the head
>>>hunter will just not send it along at all. Too many high bids makes
>>>the head hunter look bad.
>>>It's a dangerous cliff. Grow and get better but if you get too good,
>>>you fall off. :(
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: Too much experience

[Bobby Hartsfield]

Of course we all appreciate everything you've GIVEN away... but you gotta
eat somehow. I recall you putting your self out there for consulting when
you traveled somewhere a while back (to FL I think). Any luck there? We all
know your name is a well known one in the CF community, I'd think
consulting, speaking and teaching would be a good market for you... Just a
thought.

..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
Bobby Hartsfield
http://acoderslife.com

 


-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:42 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: Too much experience

I'm doing that with my various pieces of email code. These lists are all CF 
driven and the code should be put out there. Problem is, I hate charging for

my code.


> Perhaps the solution is to build marketable apps that are really very
> good, and make your money that way. That's what I'm trying. Takes a
> while for it to take off though, that's for sure. But once it's
> going, you're good.
>
> Mik
>
> At 02:22 PM 2/13/2006, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>>I saw another NY based contract on the CF-jobs list but once I saw
>>who posted it, I knew I'd never get it. Why? Because I'm too
>>experienced. If you have 10+ years in ColdFusion your almost
>>un-hirable. If you ask below your worth, the company is worried that
>>you will not be happy and will jump ship first chance you get. And
>>that's if you take below your worth to begin with. If you ask your
>>worth, the head hunter will not send you to the company for fear of
>>the company rejecting the resume out of hand. Or to be more real,
>>the head hunter will try to talk you down to what he feels is the
>>highest the company will go because he gets a percentage and really
>>wants to get it. If you ask for a real bid, the chances are the head
>>hunter will just not send it along at all. Too many high bids makes
>>the head hunter look bad.
>>It's a dangerous cliff. Grow and get better but if you get too good,
>>you fall off. :(
>>
>>
>
> 



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Re: Too much experience

[Maureen]

There is a lot of truth in way you say, and in my case it is even
harder, because of my age.  I get a lot of the "overqualified"
rhetoric, which is my case translates to "you are too old and you cost
too much". Fortuntely I found a contracting firm that looks at what I
can do and not what I cost, and they keep me busy  I'd be happy to
hook you up with them if you're interested.   You can let me know
off-list.

Maureen

On 2/13/06, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I saw another NY based contract on the CF-jobs list but once I saw who posted 
> it, I knew I'd never get it. Why? Because I'm too experienced.

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Re: Too much experience

[Cameron Childress]

My own personal experience is that most of the best jobs are not
filled through recruiters, but via the networking.  I try to make sure
people know who I am and when/if they ever have an opening to think of
me.  Recruiters are expensive and most companies would prefer to get
candidates direct if they know some.  It's just a matter of getting
exposure to the people who make those decisions in a personal way (not
via resume blasts).

Even if a company "must" go through an agency due to some contractual
obligation you can still get hires directly by the company and just
fill out the paperwork for the hiring firm.  Just meet people and make
sure they remember you in a positive light and you have half the
battle won already.

-Cameron

On 2/13/06, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Problem is, in NY almost every corp or government job your going to see is
> through a head hunter. There are smaller things around, but the really big
> jobs are locked into a specific way of being offered.
>
> >I consider Head Hunters / Recruiters a last resort.  For the reasons
> > you list below, and many many more.  Personal networking is a much
> > better way to go.

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RE: Too much experience

[Mik Muller]

This is what I was doing at UMass, in the "President's Office." When 
they moved to Central Mass, about a 90-minute drive from my house, I 
left and have been consulting since then.

My time at UMass was great, until the move was made public. Then the 
morale went down the toilet. I'd probably still be there if they 
hadn't moved, though my earning potential is much, much higher now 
that I'm on my own.

Mik



At 04:52 PM 2/13/2006, Sonya Hughes wrote:
>You don't even really have to teach, to get into higher ed. All larger
>universities have IT staff on-campus, and usually a fairly large-sized team.
>Web development is usually a big part of that.  I build large scale web
>applications for my university all day long.  Admissions applications,
>online registration, portals, things like that.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:35 PM
>To: CF-Jobs-Talk
>Subject: Re: Too much experience
>
>
>Hm. I like teaching and I'm good at it. Let me ask around to see what I can
>do in this area.


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RE: Too much experience

[Sonya Hughes]

You don't even really have to teach, to get into higher ed. All larger
universities have IT staff on-campus, and usually a fairly large-sized team.
Web development is usually a big part of that.  I build large scale web
applications for my university all day long.  Admissions applications,
online registration, portals, things like that.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:35 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: Too much experience


Hm. I like teaching and I'm good at it. Let me ask around to see what I can
do in this area.


> That's what I've been doing a lot of lately, and building up a good
> private
> client base that provides a regular source of reliable income.
>
> For reference, when looking for full-time jobs, a good place to always
> look
> even with tons of experience would be higher education. Universities
> always
> seem to be more inclined to look at people with a lot of experience in a
> field who say they're willing to work for a limited salary in exchange for
> other benefits.
>
> I took a solid paycut to take the position I have now, but it came with
> wonderful retirement, tuition, health and vacation/sick leave benefits I
> wouldn't get anywhere else. The contracting on the side makes up the
> financial difference and it's a good, stable environment.
>
> I've seen the positions in my department fill up more and more often with
> people like me.
>
> Sonya
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mik Muller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:26 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: Too much experience
>
>
> Perhaps the solution is to build marketable apps that are really very
> good, and make your money that way. That's what I'm trying. Takes a
> while for it to take off though, that's for sure. But once it's
> going, you're good.
>
> Mik
>
> At 02:22 PM 2/13/2006, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>>I saw another NY based contract on the CF-jobs list but once I saw
>>who posted it, I knew I'd never get it. Why? Because I'm too
>>experienced. If you have 10+ years in ColdFusion your almost
>>un-hirable. If you ask below your worth, the company is worried that
>>you will not be happy and will jump ship first chance you get. And
>>that's if you take below your worth to begin with. If you ask your
>>worth, the head hunter will not send you to the company for fear of
>>the company rejecting the resume out of hand. Or to be more real,
>>the head hunter will try to talk you down to what he feels is the
>>highest the company will go because he gets a percentage and really
>>wants to get it. If you ask for a real bid, the chances are the head
>>hunter will just not send it along at all. Too many high bids makes
>>the head hunter look bad.
>>It's a dangerous cliff. Grow and get better but if you get too good,
>>you fall off. :(
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



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RE: Too much experience

[Damien McKenna]

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> I saw another NY based contract on the CF-jobs list but once 
> I saw who posted it, I knew I'd never get it. Why? Because 
> I'm too experienced.

This is something I think everyone in engineering starts to face as they
get experienced, part of the problem becomes finding companies that
won't dismiss you out-of-hand because they're unwilling to pay for your
skill, they just want some 20-something relative newbie.

-- 
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The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014
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Re: Too much experience

[Michael Dinowitz]

Hm. I like teaching and I'm good at it. Let me ask around to see what I can 
do in this area.


> That's what I've been doing a lot of lately, and building up a good 
> private
> client base that provides a regular source of reliable income.
>
> For reference, when looking for full-time jobs, a good place to always 
> look
> even with tons of experience would be higher education. Universities 
> always
> seem to be more inclined to look at people with a lot of experience in a
> field who say they're willing to work for a limited salary in exchange for
> other benefits.
>
> I took a solid paycut to take the position I have now, but it came with
> wonderful retirement, tuition, health and vacation/sick leave benefits I
> wouldn't get anywhere else. The contracting on the side makes up the
> financial difference and it's a good, stable environment.
>
> I've seen the positions in my department fill up more and more often with
> people like me.
>
> Sonya
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mik Muller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:26 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Re: Too much experience
>
>
> Perhaps the solution is to build marketable apps that are really very
> good, and make your money that way. That's what I'm trying. Takes a
> while for it to take off though, that's for sure. But once it's
> going, you're good.
>
> Mik
>
> At 02:22 PM 2/13/2006, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>>I saw another NY based contract on the CF-jobs list but once I saw
>>who posted it, I knew I'd never get it. Why? Because I'm too
>>experienced. If you have 10+ years in ColdFusion your almost
>>un-hirable. If you ask below your worth, the company is worried that
>>you will not be happy and will jump ship first chance you get. And
>>that's if you take below your worth to begin with. If you ask your
>>worth, the head hunter will not send you to the company for fear of
>>the company rejecting the resume out of hand. Or to be more real,
>>the head hunter will try to talk you down to what he feels is the
>>highest the company will go because he gets a percentage and really
>>wants to get it. If you ask for a real bid, the chances are the head
>>hunter will just not send it along at all. Too many high bids makes
>>the head hunter look bad.
>>It's a dangerous cliff. Grow and get better but if you get too good,
>>you fall off. :(
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Too much experience

[Michael Dinowitz]

Problem is, in NY almost every corp or government job your going to see is 
through a head hunter. There are smaller things around, but the really big 
jobs are locked into a specific way of being offered.


>I consider Head Hunters / Recruiters a last resort.  For the reasons
> you list below, and many many more.  Personal networking is a much
> better way to go.
>
> -Cameron
>
> On 2/13/06, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I saw another NY based contract on the CF-jobs list but once I saw who 
>> posted it, I knew I'd never get it. Why? Because I'm too experienced. If 
>> you have 10+ years in ColdFusion your almost un-hirable. If you ask below 
>> your worth, the company is worried that you will not be happy and will 
>> jump ship first chance you get. And that's if you take below your worth 
>> to begin with. If you ask your worth, the head hunter will not send you 
>> to the company for fear of the company rejecting the resume out of hand. 
>> Or to be more real, the head hunter will try to talk you down to what he 
>> feels is the highest the company will go because he gets a percentage and 
>> really wants to get it. If you ask for a real bid, the chances are the 
>> head hunter will just not send it along at all. Too many high bids makes 
>> the head hunter look bad.
>> It's a dangerous cliff. Grow and get better but if you get too good, you 
>> fall off. :(
>
> 

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Re: Too much experience

[Cameron Childress]

I consider Head Hunters / Recruiters a last resort.  For the reasons
you list below, and many many more.  Personal networking is a much
better way to go.

-Cameron

On 2/13/06, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I saw another NY based contract on the CF-jobs list but once I saw who posted 
> it, I knew I'd never get it. Why? Because I'm too experienced. If you have 
> 10+ years in ColdFusion your almost un-hirable. If you ask below your worth, 
> the company is worried that you will not be happy and will jump ship first 
> chance you get. And that's if you take below your worth to begin with. If you 
> ask your worth, the head hunter will not send you to the company for fear of 
> the company rejecting the resume out of hand. Or to be more real, the head 
> hunter will try to talk you down to what he feels is the highest the company 
> will go because he gets a percentage and really wants to get it. If you ask 
> for a real bid, the chances are the head hunter will just not send it along 
> at all. Too many high bids makes the head hunter look bad.
> It's a dangerous cliff. Grow and get better but if you get too good, you fall 
> off. :(

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RE: Too much experience

[Ian Skinner]

A similar thing happened to me last week; luckily I'm currently full time 
employed for an ok amount, especially when benefits are added in.  So I quoted 
what I would need to be lured away to a contract position, even if it was 1+ 
year term.  And I was passed over in the first round for young college 
graduates who will be offered a lot less.


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Re: Too much experience

[Mik Muller]

I do too. But I need to eat, so in a way I'm coding for food.

Mik


At 02:41 PM 2/13/2006, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>I'm doing that with my various pieces of email code. These lists are all CF
>driven and the code should be put out there. Problem is, I hate charging for
>my code.
>
>
> > Perhaps the solution is to build marketable apps that are really very
> > good, and make your money that way. That's what I'm trying. Takes a
> > while for it to take off though, that's for sure. But once it's
> > going, you're good.
> >
> > Mik
> >


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Re: Too much experience

[Aaron Rouse]

Very true, I used to work for a decently sized private University and while
the pay was not all that great the benefits more than made up for it.
Unfortunately I left it because our department was not rock solid and was
uncertain where it was going at the same time a contracting company came
knocking on my door offering a rather large pay rate.  I did that a few
years back and ever since then I keep my eye open for any jobs in the local
universities that I think I would be happy in.

I have been working with CF since it came out and have maybe only once or
twice ran into jobs that people felt I wanted too much money for.  I do
change my rates greatly though, just depends on the type of work that needs
to be done and my interest in it.  I usually do not play up my years of
experience with things which maybe is why I have not really ran into people
blowing me off because they think I either want too much money or I will
want too much money.

I think to pull in a hefty pay range on a consistent basis it takes a lot
more than CFM knowledge.  On the jobs I get paid a high rate on the CFM work
is probably the smaller percentage of the total work I do.


On 2/13/06, Sonya Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> For reference, when looking for full-time jobs, a good place to always
> look
> even with tons of experience would be higher education. Universities
> always
> seem to be more inclined to look at people with a lot of experience in a
> field who say they're willing to work for a limited salary in exchange for
> other benefits.
>
> I took a solid paycut to take the position I have now, but it came with
> wonderful retirement, tuition, health and vacation/sick leave benefits I
> wouldn't get anywhere else. The contracting on the side makes up the
> financial difference and it's a good, stable environment.
>


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Re: Too much experience

[Jeffry Houser]

  That is probably the "business man" inside you fighting with the "App 
Developer".  I bet the app developer is winning.

  I have never been placed by a recruiter.  Generally the recruiter is 
going to mark you up at least 100% if not more.  I'm sure double what the 
recruiter would pay you is much closer to an acceptable rate.  The question 
is, what can you do to find clients w/o recruiters?

  I don't have a specific answer (I struggle with it every day), but I've 
been pretty lucky.

At 02:41 PM 2/13/2006, you wrote:
>I'm doing that with my various pieces of email code. These lists are all CF
>driven and the code should be put out there. Problem is, I hate charging for
>my code.
>
>
> > Perhaps the solution is to build marketable apps that are really very
> > good, and make your money that way. That's what I'm trying. Takes a
> > while for it to take off though, that's for sure. But once it's
> > going, you're good.
> >
> > Mik
> >
> > At 02:22 PM 2/13/2006, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> >>I saw another NY based contract on the CF-jobs list but once I saw
> >>who posted it, I knew I'd never get it. Why? Because I'm too
> >>experienced. If you have 10+ years in ColdFusion your almost
> >>un-hirable. If you ask below your worth, the company is worried that
> >>you will not be happy and will jump ship first chance you get. And
> >>that's if you take below your worth to begin with. If you ask your
> >>worth, the head hunter will not send you to the company for fear of
> >>the company rejecting the resume out of hand. Or to be more real,
> >>the head hunter will try to talk you down to what he feels is the
> >>highest the company will go because he gets a percentage and really
> >>wants to get it. If you ask for a real bid, the chances are the head
> >>hunter will just not send it along at all. Too many high bids makes
> >>the head hunter look bad.
> >>It's a dangerous cliff. Grow and get better but if you get too good,
> >>you fall off. :(
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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RE: Too much experience

[Sonya Hughes]

That's what I've been doing a lot of lately, and building up a good private
client base that provides a regular source of reliable income.

For reference, when looking for full-time jobs, a good place to always look
even with tons of experience would be higher education. Universities always
seem to be more inclined to look at people with a lot of experience in a
field who say they're willing to work for a limited salary in exchange for
other benefits.

I took a solid paycut to take the position I have now, but it came with
wonderful retirement, tuition, health and vacation/sick leave benefits I
wouldn't get anywhere else. The contracting on the side makes up the
financial difference and it's a good, stable environment.

I've seen the positions in my department fill up more and more often with
people like me.

Sonya

-Original Message-
From: Mik Muller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:26 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: Too much experience


Perhaps the solution is to build marketable apps that are really very
good, and make your money that way. That's what I'm trying. Takes a
while for it to take off though, that's for sure. But once it's
going, you're good.

Mik

At 02:22 PM 2/13/2006, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>I saw another NY based contract on the CF-jobs list but once I saw
>who posted it, I knew I'd never get it. Why? Because I'm too
>experienced. If you have 10+ years in ColdFusion your almost
>un-hirable. If you ask below your worth, the company is worried that
>you will not be happy and will jump ship first chance you get. And
>that's if you take below your worth to begin with. If you ask your
>worth, the head hunter will not send you to the company for fear of
>the company rejecting the resume out of hand. Or to be more real,
>the head hunter will try to talk you down to what he feels is the
>highest the company will go because he gets a percentage and really
>wants to get it. If you ask for a real bid, the chances are the head
>hunter will just not send it along at all. Too many high bids makes
>the head hunter look bad.
>It's a dangerous cliff. Grow and get better but if you get too good,
>you fall off. :(
>
>



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Re: Too much experience

[Michael Dinowitz]

I'm doing that with my various pieces of email code. These lists are all CF 
driven and the code should be put out there. Problem is, I hate charging for 
my code.


> Perhaps the solution is to build marketable apps that are really very
> good, and make your money that way. That's what I'm trying. Takes a
> while for it to take off though, that's for sure. But once it's
> going, you're good.
>
> Mik
>
> At 02:22 PM 2/13/2006, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>>I saw another NY based contract on the CF-jobs list but once I saw
>>who posted it, I knew I'd never get it. Why? Because I'm too
>>experienced. If you have 10+ years in ColdFusion your almost
>>un-hirable. If you ask below your worth, the company is worried that
>>you will not be happy and will jump ship first chance you get. And
>>that's if you take below your worth to begin with. If you ask your
>>worth, the head hunter will not send you to the company for fear of
>>the company rejecting the resume out of hand. Or to be more real,
>>the head hunter will try to talk you down to what he feels is the
>>highest the company will go because he gets a percentage and really
>>wants to get it. If you ask for a real bid, the chances are the head
>>hunter will just not send it along at all. Too many high bids makes
>>the head hunter look bad.
>>It's a dangerous cliff. Grow and get better but if you get too good,
>>you fall off. :(
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: Too much experience

[Mik Muller]

Perhaps the solution is to build marketable apps that are really very 
good, and make your money that way. That's what I'm trying. Takes a 
while for it to take off though, that's for sure. But once it's 
going, you're good.

Mik

At 02:22 PM 2/13/2006, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>I saw another NY based contract on the CF-jobs list but once I saw 
>who posted it, I knew I'd never get it. Why? Because I'm too 
>experienced. If you have 10+ years in ColdFusion your almost 
>un-hirable. If you ask below your worth, the company is worried that 
>you will not be happy and will jump ship first chance you get. And 
>that's if you take below your worth to begin with. If you ask your 
>worth, the head hunter will not send you to the company for fear of 
>the company rejecting the resume out of hand. Or to be more real, 
>the head hunter will try to talk you down to what he feels is the 
>highest the company will go because he gets a percentage and really 
>wants to get it. If you ask for a real bid, the chances are the head 
>hunter will just not send it along at all. Too many high bids makes 
>the head hunter look bad.
>It's a dangerous cliff. Grow and get better but if you get too good, 
>you fall off. :(
>
>

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