Re: lists question
That's a great idea Michael. I'm all for it. regards, larry On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CF-Jobs is written so that any reply is automatically sent to the original posters email address, not to the cf-jobs list. In order to reply to the cf-jobs list someone would have to write the cf-jobs email address in specifically or have a bad email client. I'm setting the cf-jobs list to reject any 'reply-to' message which will stop replies but the off topic stuff would still be a problem. The answer to that is something I've been planning for a while which is to use a singe, standard job posting form to post to the list rather than free-flow emails. In other words, you would have to post from the site only for cf-jobs. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4107 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
lists question
Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense to combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk? I agree that the concept of splitting the two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4092 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: lists question
absolutely not, Michael is pretty forgiving in managing his lists, but CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs talk may need to be more actively and forcefully moderated. Steve Runyon wrote: Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense to combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk? I agree that the concept of splitting the two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4093 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: lists question
absolutely not, Michael is pretty forgiving in managing his lists, but CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs talk may need to be more actively and forcefully moderated. And the mistaken posts seem to me to generally be one-directional, posted to cf-jobs rather than cf-jobs-talk. People who are actually posting jobs or availability generally seem to hit the right list. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 781.769.0723 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4094 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: lists question
No. I do not want to see the CF-jobs talk littered with chatter and garbage. its bad enough that people automatically respond to the list without checking for the sender's email address. Combining the two lists will really reduce the signal to noise ratio. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steve Runyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense to combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk? I agree that the concept of splitting the two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4096 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: lists question
Np, thanks all - I withdraw the question. :-) On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No. I do not want to see the CF-jobs talk littered with chatter and garbage. its bad enough that people automatically respond to the list without checking for the sender's email address. Combining the two lists will really reduce the signal to noise ratio. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steve Runyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense to combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk? I agree that the concept of splitting the two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4097 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: lists question
CF-Jobs is written so that any reply is automatically sent to the original posters email address, not to the cf-jobs list. In order to reply to the cf-jobs list someone would have to write the cf-jobs email address in specifically or have a bad email client. I'm setting the cf-jobs list to reject any 'reply-to' message which will stop replies but the off topic stuff would still be a problem. The answer to that is something I've been planning for a while which is to use a singe, standard job posting form to post to the list rather than free-flow emails. In other words, you would have to post from the site only for cf-jobs. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No. I do not want to see the CF-jobs talk littered with chatter and garbage. its bad enough that people automatically respond to the list without checking for the sender's email address. Combining the two lists will really reduce the signal to noise ratio. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steve Runyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense to combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk? I agree that the concept of splitting the two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4098 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: lists question
As long as you put on there telecommuting as an option and salary offered (rejecting letters like DOB or such), I'm all for it. :) Michael Dinowitz wrote: CF-Jobs is written so that any reply is automatically sent to the original posters email address, not to the cf-jobs list. In order to reply to the cf-jobs list someone would have to write the cf-jobs email address in specifically or have a bad email client. I'm setting the cf-jobs list to reject any 'reply-to' message which will stop replies but the off topic stuff would still be a problem. The answer to that is something I've been planning for a while which is to use a singe, standard job posting form to post to the list rather than free-flow emails. In other words, you would have to post from the site only for cf-jobs. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No. I do not want to see the CF-jobs talk littered with chatter and garbage. its bad enough that people automatically respond to the list without checking for the sender's email address. Combining the two lists will really reduce the signal to noise ratio. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steve Runyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense to combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk? I agree that the concept of splitting the two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4099 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: lists question
Ugh. Sorry. I'm posting with a 102 degree fever and taking care of a 5 year old. :) DOE. Depending on Experience. Basically, tell us what you are willing to pay. I hate countering the question of how much I'll accept with How much is your budget. :) Matt Williams wrote: DOB Depending On Birthdate? :) Probably good not to pay them young'uns too much. Matt On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as you put on there telecommuting as an option and salary offered (rejecting letters like DOB or such), I'm all for it. :) Michael Dinowitz wrote: CF-Jobs is written so that any reply is automatically sent to the original posters email address, not to the cf-jobs list. In order to reply to the cf-jobs list someone would have to write the cf-jobs email address in specifically or have a bad email client. I'm setting the cf-jobs list to reject any 'reply-to' message which will stop replies but the off topic stuff would still be a problem. The answer to that is something I've been planning for a while which is to use a singe, standard job posting form to post to the list rather than free-flow emails. In other words, you would have to post from the site only for cf-jobs. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No. I do not want to see the CF-jobs talk littered with chatter and garbage. its bad enough that people automatically respond to the list without checking for the sender's email address. Combining the two lists will really reduce the signal to noise ratio. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steve Runyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense to combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk? I agree that the concept of splitting the two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4101 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
RE: lists question
Michael, I like the form idea very much for cf-jobs. To be honest, I'm guessing most 'new' posters are posting with the form anyway (can you tell that?) The main reason I like it is that it can be structured so that we can always identify the pieces of information we need to know up front and those who are posting for the first time won't be so unsure about their post because the form itself will inform them on what they need to provide. I can't tell you how many posts I've seen over the years where the poster didn't even include the location of the job in the post. Too funny, really. :) Thanks for looking at this! Dave -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:32 PM To: cf-jobs-talk Subject: Re: lists question CF-Jobs is written so that any reply is automatically sent to the original posters email address, not to the cf-jobs list. In order to reply to the cf-jobs list someone would have to write the cf-jobs email address in specifically or have a bad email client. I'm setting the cf-jobs list to reject any 'reply-to' message which will stop replies but the off topic stuff would still be a problem. The answer to that is something I've been planning for a while which is to use a singe, standard job posting form to post to the list rather than free-flow emails. In other words, you would have to post from the site only for cf-jobs. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No. I do not want to see the CF-jobs talk littered with chatter and garbage. its bad enough that people automatically respond to the list without checking for the sender's email address. Combining the two lists will really reduce the signal to noise ratio. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steve Runyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense to combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk? I agree that the concept of splitting the two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4102 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: lists question
I'm totally against salary based on when you were born. :) If you have some example forms and/or suggestions, please let me know. I'm doing it both for people looking for work as well as people looking to hire. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as you put on there telecommuting as an option and salary offered (rejecting letters like DOB or such), I'm all for it. :) Michael Dinowitz wrote: CF-Jobs is written so that any reply is automatically sent to the original posters email address, not to the cf-jobs list. In order to reply to the cf-jobs list someone would have to write the cf-jobs email address in specifically or have a bad email client. I'm setting the cf-jobs list to reject any 'reply-to' message which will stop replies but the off topic stuff would still be a problem. The answer to that is something I've been planning for a while which is to use a singe, standard job posting form to post to the list rather than free-flow emails. In other words, you would have to post from the site only for cf-jobs. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. I do not want to see the CF-jobs talk littered with chatter and garbage. its bad enough that people automatically respond to the list without checking for the sender's email address. Combining the two lists will really reduce the signal to noise ratio. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steve Runyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense to combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk? I agree that the concept of splitting the two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4103 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: lists question
I can't tell you how many posts I've seen over the years where the poster didn't even include the location of the job in the post. Too funny, really. :) Good point - always find myself having to hunt through the post to find the location and if they are requiring on site. If we make those required fields, can you force the subject line to append the location and site requirements? Dan ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4104 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: lists question
Ugh. Sorry. I'm posting with a 102 degree fever and taking care of a 5 year old. :) DOE. Depending on Experience. Basically, tell us what you are willing to pay. I hate countering the question of how much I'll accept with How much is your budget. :) Might just want to reframe the response. I don't care for people saying DOE and asking me to set their budget either... but I might frame the response as You'll have to make an offer if you're interested in hiring me. How much is my experience worth to you? -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 781.769.0723 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/message.cfm/messageid:4105 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-jobs-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
