Structure Sorting
Hi I'm looping over a list e.g. (D, C, B, A) and inserting into a structure as follows: cfset list=D,B,C,A cfset struct= structnew() cfloop index=i list=#list# delimiters=, cfscript StructInsert(struct, i,); /cfscript /cfloop but when I ouput the structure, it is sorted alphabetically by key. cfloop collection=#struct# item=i cfoutput#i# #struct[i]#br/cfoutput /cfloop So the above code would output: A B C D Instead of what i want which is (The same order the elements were in the original list) D B C A Anyone know any way to keep the output order the same as the input order or are they always automatically sorted? Thanks Mark Mark Smyth Developer SystemsUnion.Net 00 44 1865 880800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.systemsunion.net __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Structure Sorting
Structures are NOT ordered and there is no way of keeping them oredered. If you want an order, use an array. Pascal -Original Message- From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: donderdag 4 april 2002 11:18 To: CF-Talk Subject: Structure Sorting Hi I'm looping over a list e.g. (D, C, B, A) and inserting into a structure as follows: cfset list=D,B,C,A cfset struct= structnew() cfloop index=i list=#list# delimiters=, cfscript StructInsert(struct, i,); /cfscript /cfloop but when I ouput the structure, it is sorted alphabetically by key. cfloop collection=#struct# item=i cfoutput#i# #struct[i]#br/cfoutput /cfloop So the above code would output: A B C D Instead of what i want which is (The same order the elements were in the original list) D B C A Anyone know any way to keep the output order the same as the input order or are they always automatically sorted? Thanks Mark Mark Smyth Developer SystemsUnion.Net 00 44 1865 880800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.systemsunion.net __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Structure Sorting
i know in theory they are not ordered, so how come its ordering automatically in alphabetical asending order when the key is a string? mark -Original Message- From: Pascal Peters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 10:33 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Structure Sorting Structures are NOT ordered and there is no way of keeping them oredered. If you want an order, use an array. Pascal -Original Message- From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: donderdag 4 april 2002 11:18 To: CF-Talk Subject: Structure Sorting Hi I'm looping over a list e.g. (D, C, B, A) and inserting into a structure as follows: cfset list=D,B,C,A cfset struct= structnew() cfloop index=i list=#list# delimiters=, cfscript StructInsert(struct, i,); /cfscript /cfloop but when I ouput the structure, it is sorted alphabetically by key. cfloop collection=#struct# item=i cfoutput#i# #struct[i]#br/cfoutput /cfloop So the above code would output: A B C D Instead of what i want which is (The same order the elements were in the original list) D B C A Anyone know any way to keep the output order the same as the input order or are they always automatically sorted? Thanks Mark Mark Smyth Developer SystemsUnion.Net 00 44 1865 880800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.systemsunion.net __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Structure Sorting
Of course, coldfusion has to loop over the keys a certain way. It does it alphabetically, but that is just the way it is done. If they do it some other way in MX, you can't complain because structures are NOT oredered. Pascal -Original Message- From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: donderdag 4 april 2002 11:33 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Structure Sorting i know in theory they are not ordered, so how come its ordering automatically in alphabetical asending order when the key is a string? mark __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Structure Sorting
Of course, coldfusion has to loop over the keys a certain way. It does it alphabetically, but that is just the way it is done. If they do it some other way in MX, you can't complain because structures are NOT oredered. Pascal. why does Coldfusion have to loop over the keys in a certain way? The easiest way would be to display them in the order that they are entered into the structure, not going out of its way to order them alphabetically, which, incidentally, is exactly what its doing. I just had a play with Mark's code and for whatever reason, whether you return the key list, cfdump the struct variable or loop through the collection, the list of keys always returns in alphabetic order. Mark, It shouldn't really matter what order the keys are returned in, because that's only a reference to the contents the key is storing. If the keys (D, C, B, A) are actually the content then I suspect you may be getting the wrong end of the stick with structures and, as Pascal says, you probably should be using arrays. Hope that helps Regards Stephen __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Structure Sorting
heres what i'm trying to do The app i'm building has to integrate with staffware (a workflow program), it does this through a coded text file e.g. CHPART_DISC,50% COLLAB, Y CP_IADMN, N Theres around 220 elements in total, all elements must be present in the textfile even if the values are blank. As the user progresses through the app, his selections are recorded in a structure (with the structure keys representing the staffware code, as above). Depending on the process/selections of the user the content of the structure at the end will change. e.g. he might only have CHPART_DISC,50% COLLAB, Y I have a textfile listing all the required files which i have stored in a structure with all the values blank, basically cause i wanted to use the structure functions. At the end to make sure the structure has the required content, I loop over the example structure adding the blank values where necessary. e.g. from the above example he would end up with CHPART_DISC,50% COLLAB,Y CP_IADMN*, *repeated per required field The possible problem i'm looking at is that the example provided is not aplhabetically sorted but the textfile i produced by looping over my finished structure as writing to a textfile always is (unless i write it individually per key, all 200+ !!). I'm testing the textfile input later today, so i was just hoping there might be a way to stop the structure alphabetically sorting, just in case staffware needs the textfile to be in the same order hope that explains it a bit better Mark -Original Message- From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 11:07 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Structure Sorting Of course, coldfusion has to loop over the keys a certain way. It does it alphabetically, but that is just the way it is done. If they do it some other way in MX, you can't complain because structures are NOT oredered. Pascal. why does Coldfusion have to loop over the keys in a certain way? The easiest way would be to display them in the order that they are entered into the structure, not going out of its way to order them alphabetically, which, incidentally, is exactly what its doing. I just had a play with Mark's code and for whatever reason, whether you return the key list, cfdump the struct variable or loop through the collection, the list of keys always returns in alphabetic order. Mark, It shouldn't really matter what order the keys are returned in, because that's only a reference to the contents the key is storing. If the keys (D, C, B, A) are actually the content then I suspect you may be getting the wrong end of the stick with structures and, as Pascal says, you probably should be using arrays. Hope that helps Regards Stephen __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: CF Scheduler - Weekly and Monthly events?
On 4/3/02, Jim McAtee penned: I just found this posted in the CF forums at macromedia.com. Is it true? --- Interval refers to the period of time that the scheduler will execute relative to the startdate and starttime set in the cfschedule tag. If interval is set to Monthly and startdate is set to april 1st and enddate is set to be perpetual then 30 days later the scheduler will execute on april 30th (not May 1st) and 30 days after that (May 29th) and so on. Monthly does not take into account the 1st day of each month. That seems rather ludicrous as it isn't monthly at all. Who schedules something to run every 30 days? -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia?
Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712697/qid=1017923836/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/002-7985215-1486459 ( According to this listing that just appeared on amazon.com ) The way I remember it, Allaire went out of there not to endorse or support any methodology. I didn't realize that Macromedia had taken an official stance. -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Web Developer? Contact me! AIM: Reboog711 | Fax / Phone: 860-223-7946 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Web based Chat
not sure if this would work but have you had a look at knownow www.knownow.com will -Original Message- From: chris.alvarado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 00:12 To: CF-Talk Subject: Web based Chat A client wants some type of web-based chat integrated into their site. It would be nice if I could incorporate the Chat into the existing security system. Obviously any type of streaming chat would probably be Java-based but that is fine. I remember back in the day I would use Peri-Chat, so something similar would be nice. Thanks for any recommendations. -chris.alvarado [application.developer] 4 Guys Interactive, Inc. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Web based Chat
Check out http://www.cfchat.net -Original Message- From: chris.alvarado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Web based Chat A client wants some type of web-based chat integrated into their site. It would be nice if I could incorporate the Chat into the existing security system. Obviously any type of streaming chat would probably be Java-based but that is fine. I remember back in the day I would use Peri-Chat, so something similar would be nice. Thanks for any recommendations. -chris.alvarado [application.developer] 4 Guys Interactive, Inc. __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Web based Chat
i developed a chatroom using CF and Javascript. it's free and not encrypted. download it at http://www.xcreation.com/apps.cfm it's called Xchatroom. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web based Chat not sure if this would work but have you had a look at knownow www.knownow.com will -Original Message- From: chris.alvarado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 00:12 To: CF-Talk Subject: Web based Chat A client wants some type of web-based chat integrated into their site. It would be nice if I could incorporate the Chat into the existing security system. Obviously any type of streaming chat would probably be Java-based but that is fine. I remember back in the day I would use Peri-Chat, so something similar would be nice. Thanks for any recommendations. -chris.alvarado [application.developer] 4 Guys Interactive, Inc. __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
I agree Robert. Basicaly CF is quicker to develop in and has easier syntax and hence is often the prefference. I find the main reason for this is it is much easier to debug using CF than ASP which is a pain in the backside. I develop in both and the only areas that ASP wins is when you are integrating with COM objects and when you want to manipulate recordset and sql statements as the objects avaliable to you using ADO beat cfquery/storedproc hands down. -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 15:15 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Web based Chat
What kind of db is cfchat connected to? I really like the interface and would like to speak with whoever developed it offline if possible. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [thanks] -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web based Chat Check out http://www.cfchat.net -Original Message- From: chris.alvarado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Web based Chat A client wants some type of web-based chat integrated into their site. It would be nice if I could incorporate the Chat into the existing security system. Obviously any type of streaming chat would probably be Java-based but that is fine. I remember back in the day I would use Peri-Chat, so something similar would be nice. Thanks for any recommendations. -chris.alvarado [application.developer] 4 Guys Interactive, Inc. __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Web based Chat
The chat does not use a database and runs in the ColdFusion server memory Bimal -Original Message- From: Dowdell, Jason G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 15:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web based Chat What kind of db is cfchat connected to? I really like the interface and would like to speak with whoever developed it offline if possible. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [thanks] -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web based Chat Check out http://www.cfchat.net -Original Message- From: chris.alvarado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Web based Chat A client wants some type of web-based chat integrated into their site. It would be nice if I could incorporate the Chat into the existing security system. Obviously any type of streaming chat would probably be Java-based but that is fine. I remember back in the day I would use Peri-Chat, so something similar would be nice. Thanks for any recommendations. -chris.alvarado [application.developer] 4 Guys Interactive, Inc. __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Web based Chat
I saw that it's stored in session vars. Is it possible to put it into client vars for a clustered environment or not? Thanks, Jason -Original Message- From: Bimal Shah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web based Chat The chat does not use a database and runs in the ColdFusion server memory Bimal -Original Message- From: Dowdell, Jason G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 15:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web based Chat What kind of db is cfchat connected to? I really like the interface and would like to speak with whoever developed it offline if possible. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [thanks] -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Web based Chat Check out http://www.cfchat.net -Original Message- From: chris.alvarado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Web based Chat A client wants some type of web-based chat integrated into their site. It would be nice if I could incorporate the Chat into the existing security system. Obviously any type of streaming chat would probably be Java-based but that is fine. I remember back in the day I would use Peri-Chat, so something similar would be nice. Thanks for any recommendations. -chris.alvarado [application.developer] 4 Guys Interactive, Inc. __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Chat
There is a site www.softchoice.com which has a cool Chat program where you can ring the sales person who then comes online to chat with you. Is there anything in CF that can do this. I want the chat for a specific user. I don't want *anyone* to come in. +---+ Philip Humeniuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
CF equivalent to PWS is PWS. You can use PWS with CF. I do all my development on my local PC by copying the CF site to my home computer. The best thing to do is know the technology you are using. On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Daye, Marianne wrote: I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
No - you can get a one single licence of CF server - in fact doesn't it come on the CD in the back of the Forta book? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
This is great! So do you have to use that in conjunction with CF Enterprise as Robert mentioned? -Original Message- From: Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being CF equivalent to PWS is PWS. You can use PWS with CF. I do all my development on my local PC by copying the CF site to my home computer. The best thing to do is know the technology you are using. On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Daye, Marianne wrote: I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Or ya can download it :) -Original Message- From: Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being No - you can get a one single licence of CF server - in fact doesn't it come on the CD in the back of the Forta book? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
You can use CF Express, but it is a little limiting, but CF5 is free as a 1 connection developmental server that you can install at home and use, but only allowed 1 connection, which would be yourself. Well, I guess I could use it for my personal home page as well, since I am the only one that ever visits it, lol Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives:
Re: Where is the best place to put business rules?
I'm going to go off on a different tack here than the discussion that's been going on. It's important to note the difference between logical tiers and physical tiers. It sounds like you want to implement a logical 3-tier system on top of a physical 2-tier system and you're wondering where to put the middle logical tier. Well, it's not an either-or choice, because there's no absolute reason why logical tier boundaries and physical tier boundaries have to align, but it DOES make it easier to enforce tier separation when the boundaries align. It is logically possible to split the middle tier between both the CF and database to take advantage of both, but in that case, you have to really know what you're doing. One last comment -- be careful of a common design mistake of thinking that just because the tiers are PHYSICALLY separated then they are LOGICALLY separated. A lot of people make the mistake of saying our application has CF and a database so it's a two-tier system when their CF code and database code have so many interdependencies that the LOGICAL tier boundary is blurred. The following link from a chapter I just read has a good discussion about these kinds of design considerations: http://www.apress.com/books/sampleChapters/1893115585.pdf So at the bottom line, we have two questions: 1) Where is the best place to put the business rules? CF Templates (using CFTransaction), or Stored Procedures (using SQL Transactions). We realize that some business rules need to reside on the templates, such as client side data validation. But processing pages are a different story. 2) What is more likely to need clustering - the Web/CF Server, or the SQL Server. This is expected to be a high volume site. Thank you for your time and responses. Shawn Grover = I-Lin Kuo Macromedia CF5 Advanced Developer Sun Certified Java 2 Programmer __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
I know about that one. But in defense of Marianne, i don't think you can take that cd and install it on more than one machine per the license agreement. am i wrong about this? if not, that would be great. i had to port an entire application from CF to html/vbscript since we didn't want to buy licenses for cf for 1400 laptops (that would be insane). this could be a problem solver. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being No - you can get a one single licence of CF server - in fact doesn't it come on the CD in the back of the Forta book? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
He is taliking about the Developers version... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
I think people are confusing the CF Enterprise with the 1 user license. CF Enterprise is a version of CF server just with less tags supported. so if you are not using the full tag list then this may be your bag -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being You can use CF Express, but it is a little limiting, but CF5 is free as a 1 connection developmental server that you can install at home and use, but only allowed 1 connection, which would be yourself. Well, I guess I could use it for my personal home page as well, since I am the only one that ever visits it, lol Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. So do I. Fortunately, I can do that with CF just as easily as with ASP. Both work through IIS, and CF can use other web servers as well, such as Apache. I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! There are lots of free CGI engines, in addition to ASP, which isn't really free anyway - you have to buy Windows! For learning CF, you might just use the free single-user Developer Edition of CF, which provides all of the functionality of CF Enterprise Edition, but can only be accessed by a single user. Obviously, you couldn't use this for deployed applications on a real web server, but it's great for working on your laptop. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Well there has always been a CF Enterprise, but MM listens to us on the group and when we whined and said there wasn't anything free for us to develop in they offered us a development version of CF Enterprise. It allows you to use CF Enterprise in it's full functionality, no features taken away. You just can only use it for one ip address. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/trial/trial_cf_server.html http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/trial/faq/#200 Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
I think you're confusing your Enterprise with your Babylon 5 Andy - CF Express - limited but free, CF Professional - full version but does not allow clustering, CF Enterprise - full version, but also allows clustering and beaming stuff up.. :) J -Original Message- From: Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 16:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I think people are confusing the CF Enterprise with the 1 user license. CF Enterprise is a version of CF server just with less tags supported. so if you are not using the full tag list then this may be your bag -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being You can use CF Express, but it is a little limiting, but CF5 is free as a 1 connection developmental server that you can install at home and use, but only allowed 1 connection, which would be yourself. Well, I guess I could use it for my personal home page as well, since I am the only one that ever visits it, lol Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst
RE: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia?
Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia? To the best of my knowledge, never. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712697/qid=10179238 36/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/002-7985215-1486459 ( According to this listing that just appeared on amazon.com ) The way I remember it, Allaire went out of there not to endorse or support any methodology. I didn't realize that Macromedia had taken an official stance. I don't see anything there to indicate otherwise. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
I would imagine you could do this if your employees licensed their own copies, but then who knows. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:41 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I know about that one. But in defense of Marianne, i don't think you can take that cd and install it on more than one machine per the license agreement. am i wrong about this? if not, that would be great. i had to port an entire application from CF to html/vbscript since we didn't want to buy licenses for cf for 1400 laptops (that would be insane). this could be a problem solver. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being No - you can get a one single licence of CF server - in fact doesn't it come on the CD in the back of the Forta book? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
You're thinking of CF Express. CF Enterprise is CF Professional with a ton of extra features. Check out the comparison matrix. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/datasheets_briefs/ Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I think people are confusing the CF Enterprise with the 1 user license. CF Enterprise is a version of CF server just with less tags supported. so if you are not using the full tag list then this may be your bag -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being You can use CF Express, but it is a little limiting, but CF5 is free as a 1 connection developmental server that you can install at home and use, but only allowed 1 connection, which would be yourself. Well, I guess I could use it for my personal home page as well, since I am the only one that ever visits it, lol Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Yup I am.I meant to say CF Express!.good spot J - deliberate mistake you understand! -Original Message- From: James Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:53 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I think you're confusing your Enterprise with your Babylon 5 Andy - CF Express - limited but free, CF Professional - full version but does not allow clustering, CF Enterprise - full version, but also allows clustering and beaming stuff up.. :) J -Original Message- From: Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 16:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I think people are confusing the CF Enterprise with the 1 user license. CF Enterprise is a version of CF server just with less tags supported. so if you are not using the full tag list then this may be your bag -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being You can use CF Express, but it is a little limiting, but CF5 is free as a 1 connection developmental server that you can install at home and use, but only allowed 1 connection, which would be yourself. Well, I guess I could use it for my personal home page as well, since I am the only one that ever visits it, lol Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious
any jobs in orlando
i don't know if i'm suppose to be posting this. does anyone know of any cf development jobsin the orlando area? i have searched wantedjobs.com but haven't found any. if anyone's company is hiring from that area, please contact me. i want to get out of this current job. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Where is the best place to put business rules?
in the great words of Adam Churvis. What would happen if someone decided to update your database using Excel ODBC connection? The stored procedure wouldn't run. But if you had your business logic in the trigger, it would fired upon an insert, update, or delete. That man knows best. Since then I put all my business logic inside of triggers. ... Accessing, manipulating, and joining to the new and old images of data are the most powerful features of triggers, aside from the fact that they are the only method for reliably binding business logic to data. To a certain extent, I disagree with this. You can certainly bind business logic to data by limiting the rights of the user account used by the application (or by any other application). In most cases, you won't be allowing people to connect to your database via Excel, and if you do, you'd probably want to limit the objects they can access directly. If you allow unregulated direct access to your database, then yes, triggers are the only reliable way to ensure that something happens. However, triggers often incur overhead than equivalent stored procedures, and in most cases, the database should be configured in such a way that unregulated direct access is not allowed. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Query a Query or SQL Syntax (Not IN)
I've got two queries from different data sources, and I want to find records in the First, that are not in the second (a non-compliance report) Shouldn't I be able to do a NOT IN in a Query of Query? My code is as follows (Ass is short for Associate): !--- MS SQL Database - the recordset of people that have taken the test Right now record count is 0 --- cfquery name=AssTaken datasource=IntranetSelect AssName from Intranet.PBS.App_StraightTalk/cfquery !--- Informix Database - the recordset of all the people that need to take the test Right now record count is 2160--- cfquery name=AssList datasource=INF_OL7 cachedwithin=#CreateTimeSpan(0, 6, 0, 0) #Select empl,locnum,first_name,last_name,last_hire From associate Where last_hire '12/24/2001'/cfquery !--- The non-compliance recordset This returns 0 records--- cfquery name=AssNonComp dbtype=query Select empl from AssList,asstaken Where empl NOT IN (AssTaken)/cfquery What am I doing wrong, or how should I do this? __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
ColdFusion Express is the one with limited features. ColdFusion Enterprise is the version of CF with the most features. At 04:49 PM 4/4/2002 +0100, you wrote: I think people are confusing the CF Enterprise with the 1 user license. CF Enterprise is a version of CF server just with less tags supported. so if you are not using the full tag list then this may be your bag -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being You can use CF Express, but it is a little limiting, but CF5 is free as a 1 connection developmental server that you can install at home and use, but only allowed 1 connection, which would be yourself. Well, I guess I could use it for my personal home page as well, since I am the only one that ever visits it, lol Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the
if anyone from macromedia is listening - cfinput request
please make it so cfinput can do a focus() method for the field that is causing the exception. this is the only thing that prevents me from using the tag and having to do it in javascript. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: any jobs in orlando
There is a mailing for CF Jobs, check out houseoffusion.com for you can post it there. I know of some in the LA area, but that is about it. Looking to relocate? Heh Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: any jobs in orlando i don't know if i'm suppose to be posting this. does anyone know of any cf development jobsin the orlando area? i have searched wantedjobs.com but haven't found any. if anyone's company is hiring from that area, please contact me. i want to get out of this current job. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia?
I've highlighted where they say it. From the Back Cover Fusebox: Developing ColdFusion Applications is the most complete resource for learning to develop ColdFusion applications with the Fusebox standard. Fusebox is a free web application standard that was created as a standard for writing web applications. * (This methodology is supported and promoted by Allaire/Macromedia.) * The aim of this methodology is to reduce the high failure rate of these applications. If a team of developers uses Fusebox to write ColdFusion applications, the applications will be written more quickly and effectively because they will all code according to the same standard. Fusebox's popularity is growing daily and will grow even more with the next release of ColdFusion. The authors explain concepts such as the Fusebox lifecycle process, testing, and deployment. The appendixes are full of extra Fusebox references and resources. The web site includes databases, files, and code from this book; current enhancements and revisions to the material in this book; links to other Fusebox resources; the latest updates to the core of Fusebox, for any version. - Original Message - From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: RE: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia? Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia? To the best of my knowledge, never. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712697/qid=10179238 36/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/002-7985215-1486459 ( According to this listing that just appeared on amazon.com ) The way I remember it, Allaire went out of there not to endorse or support any methodology. I didn't realize that Macromedia had taken an official stance. I don't see anything there to indicate otherwise. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Hosting solutions
Hello cf-talkers, Would like to receive some suggestions from all of you in regards to hosting solutions. We own our servers and would like to just move our equipment to this new facility and have them managed and supported by their tech team. All ideas and suggestions are welcomed. Thanks Andres __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
for single user development purposes CF is free. there are alot of free editors available to develop CF in. a hobbyist can get started with any language. As far as I know they are almost all free and can be used on a free OS. There is no barrier to entry. On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Daye, Marianne wrote: Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Passing a Struct through a url.
Can you pass a ColdFusion Structure through a html url? Brian Eckerman Web Developer __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
That does it!!! I'm gonna have to convert my new group to CF. ...Don't you just hate it when the new person tries to tell you how to run things?! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Well there has always been a CF Enterprise, but MM listens to us on the group and when we whined and said there wasn't anything free for us to develop in they offered us a development version of CF Enterprise. It allows you to use CF Enterprise in it's full functionality, no features taken away. You just can only use it for one ip address. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/trial/trial_cf_server.html http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/trial/faq/#200 Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Structure your
Search Engine
Can anyone recommend a free or close to free search engine that will also search other platforms that is NT based for coldfusion? Ernie Pena Sr. CF Developer M.D. ANDERSON __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Free or close to free Search Engine
Looking for a windows based search engine software that will also search other platforms any suggestions? Ernie Pena Sr. CF Developer M.D. ANDERSON __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: if anyone from macromedia is listening - cfinput request
oi Tony!! bah. I think your better off doing your own javascript anyway.. -- Critz Certified Adv. ColdFusion Developer Crit[s2k] - CF_ChannelOP Network=Efnet Channel=ColdFusion - Thursday, April 4, 2002, 10:56:05 AM, you wrote: Tso please make it so cfinput can do a focus() method for the field that is Tso causing the exception. this is the only thing that prevents me from using Tso the tag and having to do it in javascript. Tso Anthony Petruzzi Tso Webmaster Tso 954-321-4703 Tso http://www.sheriff.org Tso __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
404 error when passing variables in path_info
I'm currently using the scheme of passing variables in cgi.path_info instead of the query string to be able to have a site indexed by search engines. So variables are passed like so: http://server/page.cfm/var1/var2 This works fine in the dev and test environments. However there are 3 servers in the test environment, 2 of them clustered and one is an admin server. The problem is that on the clustered server page.cfm comes up fine when you request it by itself, however when you try to follow a path like page.cfm/var1 we get a 404 error as if it is treating the var1 as a subdirectory. Now, I've looked in the archives as well as the Macromedia forums and seen mention of problems with this. I saw a message here from Dave Watts about Service Pack 6a on IIS causing this issue by changing the way IIS parses the url (right to left instead of left to right). I've also seen mention that Service Pack 5 causes it as well. The thing is though... it works in dev and on our test admin server just fine, and they are all running IIS with SP6a! The only difference with the two servers where it doesn't work is that they are clustered together with cluster cats. Is there some setting in cluster cats that may be interfering with this? Has anyone else had this problem? Any ideas/solutions out there? Any help would be appreciated. Many thanks in advance. Andrew Hewitt Webworld Studios, Inc. www.wwstudios.com __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
standby screen
Is there a way I can show the user a message saying processing while a page is processing queries? How do I do this? Thanks, Steven D Dworman - Web Consultant Systems Administrator ComSpec International - http://www.comspec-intnl.com phone: 248.647.8841 cell: 248.767.9925 - EMPOWER-XL ***Software for Higher Education*** http://www.empower-xl.com __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Combining TWOSELECTSRELATED with a Keyword Search
A have a problem. I'm attempting to combine the custom tag TWOSELECTSRELATED with a Keyword Search. Here's how it should operate. The idea is to search by category and subcategory only OR by text only OR using both the selects and text field. When I search using just the two selects related category/subcategory it works fine but when I only want to use the text field to search the application searches with the two selects as well. Definetly not what I want. I think the problem is that the two selects related is always submitted but I don't know how to prevent it from being submitted. Any help suggestions appreciated. Here's a code snippet from the form page: !-- CF_TWOSELECTS BEGINS -- brCF_TwoSelectsRelated Query=Test1 Name1=Category Name2=Sub_Category Display1=Category_Name Display2=Sub_Category FORCEWIDTH1=30 FORCEWIDTH2=30 Formname=Search Default1= Default2= And the action page CFIF statement: !-- Check for these variables -- cfif (parameterExists(Form.Sub_Category)) AND (Form.Keyword is ) !--- Only a Category is specified --- cfset THECriteria = (CF_Custom2 MATCHES #Form.Sub_Category#) cfelseif (NOT ParameterExists(Form.Sub_Category)) AND (Form.Keyword is not ) !--- Only Keywords are specified --- cfset THECriteria = #Form.Keyword# cfelse !--- Category And Keywords are specified --- cfset THECriteria = (CF_Custom2 MATCHES #Form.Sub_Category#) AND (#Form.Keyword#) /cfif __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia?
Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia? To the best of my knowledge, never. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712697/qid=10179238 36/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/002-7985215-1486459 ( According to this listing that just appeared on amazon.com ) The way I remember it, Allaire went out of there not to endorse or support any methodology. I didn't realize that Macromedia had taken an official stance. I don't see anything there to indicate otherwise. Really? Unless I'm mis-reading what you wrote, I thought this statement was pretty unambiguous: This methodology is supported and promoted by Allaire/Macromedia. It's located under the Editorial Reviews section on the second and third line. Supported is one thing, but promoted gives that statement a whole new meaning -- one that is either news to me or just plain inaccurate and should be corrected. Regards, Dave. _ Join the worldÂ’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Query a Query or SQL Syntax (Not IN)
should you have a ValueList(asstaken.assname) in your last recordset? as it is, you're trying to exclude a *query variable#, not a list of names. IE: cfquery name=AssNonComp dbtype=query Select empl from AssList,asstaken Where empl NOT IN (#ValueList(AssTaken.assname)#) /cfquery as a side note, very...interesting variable naming. christopher olive cto, vp of web development, vp it security atnet solutions, inc. 410.931.4092 http://www.atnetsolutions.com -Original Message- From: Paul Sizemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Query a Query or SQL Syntax (Not IN) I've got two queries from different data sources, and I want to find records in the First, that are not in the second (a non-compliance report) Shouldn't I be able to do a NOT IN in a Query of Query? My code is as follows (Ass is short for Associate): !--- MS SQL Database - the recordset of people that have taken the test Right now record count is 0 --- cfquery name=AssTaken datasource=IntranetSelect AssName from Intranet.PBS.App_StraightTalk/cfquery !--- Informix Database - the recordset of all the people that need to take the test Right now record count is 2160--- cfquery name=AssList datasource=INF_OL7 cachedwithin=#CreateTimeSpan(0, 6, 0, 0) #Select empl,locnum,first_name,last_name,last_hire From associate Where last_hire '12/24/2001'/cfquery !--- The non-compliance recordset This returns 0 records--- cfquery name=AssNonComp dbtype=query Select empl from AssList,asstaken Where empl NOT IN (AssTaken)/cfquery What am I doing wrong, or how should I do this? __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Passing a Struct through a url.
Not that I've ever seen John Wilker Web Applications Consultant, and Author Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer President/Founder, Inland Empire CFUG. www.red-omega.com more people are killed by donkeys than by airplane crashes each year -Original Message- From: Brian Eckerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Passing a Struct through a url. Can you pass a ColdFusion Structure through a html url? Brian Eckerman Web Developer __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Passing a Struct through a url.
oi Brian!! you could pass the name and then evaluate it on the other end. -- Critz Certified Adv. ColdFusion Developer Crit[s2k] - CF_ChannelOP Network=Efnet Channel=ColdFusion - Thursday, April 4, 2002, 3:45:25 PM, you wrote: BE Can you pass a ColdFusion Structure through a html url? BE Brian Eckerman BE Web Developer BE __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Query a Query or SQL Syntax (Not IN)
Gotta love your query names! -Original Message- From: Paul Sizemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Query a Query or SQL Syntax (Not IN) I've got two queries from different data sources, and I want to find records in the First, that are not in the second (a non-compliance report) Shouldn't I be able to do a NOT IN in a Query of Query? My code is as follows (Ass is short for Associate): !--- MS SQL Database - the recordset of people that have taken the test Right now record count is 0 --- cfquery name=AssTaken datasource=IntranetSelect AssName from Intranet.PBS.App_StraightTalk/cfquery !--- Informix Database - the recordset of all the people that need to take the test Right now record count is 2160--- cfquery name=AssList datasource=INF_OL7 cachedwithin=#CreateTimeSpan(0, 6, 0, 0) #Select empl,locnum,first_name,last_name,last_hire From associate Where last_hire '12/24/2001'/cfquery !--- The non-compliance recordset This returns 0 records--- cfquery name=AssNonComp dbtype=query Select empl from AssList,asstaken Where empl NOT IN (AssTaken)/cfquery What am I doing wrong, or how should I do this? __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Where is the best place to put business rules?
I agree with Dave - putting all of your business logic inside triggers can be a dangerous game. The best way is to develop objects that implement your business logic for you and these objects are then used by applications. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 17:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Where is the best place to put business rules? in the great words of Adam Churvis. What would happen if someone decided to update your database using Excel ODBC connection? The stored procedure wouldn't run. But if you had your business logic in the trigger, it would fired upon an insert, update, or delete. That man knows best. Since then I put all my business logic inside of triggers. ... Accessing, manipulating, and joining to the new and old images of data are the most powerful features of triggers, aside from the fact that they are the only method for reliably binding business logic to data. To a certain extent, I disagree with this. You can certainly bind business logic to data by limiting the rights of the user account used by the application (or by any other application). In most cases, you won't be allowing people to connect to your database via Excel, and if you do, you'd probably want to limit the objects they can access directly. If you allow unregulated direct access to your database, then yes, triggers are the only reliable way to ensure that something happens. However, triggers often incur overhead than equivalent stored procedures, and in most cases, the database should be configured in such a way that unregulated direct access is not allowed. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Passing a Struct through a url.
Brian, You 'can' serialise a structure into a wddx string, then urlencode it and use it as a normal URL parameter - deserialising on the other side of the interaction. If you would want to is another matter. I'm not sure but there may be an upper limit on the length of URLs last time I tried it didn't seem that there was (I only tried up to 4k) but some proxy servers may disagree. Jared Clinton NEC Australia -Original Message- From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 5 April 2002 12:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Passing a Struct through a url. Not that I've ever seen John Wilker Web Applications Consultant, and Author Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer President/Founder, Inland Empire CFUG. www.red-omega.com more people are killed by donkeys than by airplane crashes each year -Original Message- From: Brian Eckerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Passing a Struct through a url. Can you pass a ColdFusion Structure through a html url? Brian Eckerman Web Developer __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia?
There was at one stage an article on the Macromedia site about various methodologies. Fusebox was one of those covered. Also, Jeremy Allaire spoke at the last Fusebox conference. I don't know what he said, but I'm guessing he didn't say You guys are doin' it all wrong! Desist! ;-) Or maybe he did, which would have made an interesting speech... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 5 April 2002 3:58 a.m. To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia? Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia? To the best of my knowledge, never. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712697/qid=10179238 36/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/002-7985215-1486459 ( According to this listing that just appeared on amazon.com ) The way I remember it, Allaire went out of there not to endorse or support any methodology. I didn't realize that Macromedia had taken an official stance. I don't see anything there to indicate otherwise. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: reverse engineering database structure
Can't you use SQL Server's Enterprise Manager to generate a diagram? Diagrams is the first entry under the db icon. It's been a while since I've used it, it'll do everything you want as far as a diagram goes. Enterprise Manager is usually installed with Query Analyser when you install the client tools. Jeff Polaski Webmaster Research Graduate Studies University California, Irvine -Original Message- From: Douglas Jordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: reverse engineering database structure We're building a site for a company that uses a very complex inventory and accounting system that's based on SQL Server. We'd like to use only a few fields from the database maybe a dozen or so to display some items on the web. There are a lot of tables, a 100 or so. There aren't very many relationships; a table might have four foreign keys but only one realtionship. Lots of SPs and Views. There is no diagram. How should I go about understanding this structure? Remember, I only need a few fields. Reading the MCSE book, it looked as if maybe a trace would be the way to go. As always, all suggestions are appreciated. TIA, Doug Jordon __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
garbled PDF titles in Verity search - help!!
The Verity search on a site I've just built is returning strings of garbled characters for the titles of some PDFs. The server setup is: CF 4.5 on Solaris 2.6. I didn't generate the PDFs in question, but the doc summary gives this: Producer: Acrobat PDFWriter 4.0 for Windows NT PDF Version: 1.2 (Acrobat 3.x) When I saw PDFWriter 4.0 I thought Aha!, cos the CF docs say that 4.5 can only index up to PDF v.3. But then I saw that the actual PDF version is 3.x. I assume if there were PDF v.4 docs there, they just wouldn't get indexed. Has anyone had this problem before? I can't replicate what the titles look like, but you know the score: weird punctuation, some text recognisable as related to the doc, loads of squares and special characters. I can't find anywhere these could come from in the doc, assume it's something internal to the PDF header or whatever. Is it a CF problem or maybe something to do with the PDF generator used? Any help appreciated!! - Gyrus - [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: http://www.tengai.co.uk play: http://www.norlonto.net - PGP key available __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re[2]: Passing a Struct through a url.
oi Critz!! hm nevermind I was thinkin session.structure. /me thinks is time to stop working for the nite -- Critz Certified Adv. ColdFusion Developer Crit[s2k] - CF_ChannelOP Network=Efnet Channel=ColdFusion - Thursday, April 4, 2002, 9:01:36 PM, you wrote: C oi Brian!! C you could pass the name and then evaluate it on the other end. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
(SOT) Application Development Survey
(SOT) Application Development Survey http://www.winnipegalive.com/survey.cfm?survey=7 Sorry for the slightly off topic post. But here's the deal. I have just formalized my subcontract and project work as a small company Innovation Playgrounds. We will be providing Web application development and IT Management Consulting services. But beyond the pragmatic day to day services, we want to explore through action, to learn and to innovate. That's the yap anyway. I have a business plan review panel session on April 11th, 2002 - and I need arm myself with some market research. So if you are up for it please complete my survey. and please don't hesitate to make any suggestions on how to improve the survey, or anything in what I am doing. FYI: I am interested in providing sports related web application (or even business) development services. Take Care, Eric Dawson _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hosting solutions
Try Adhost: www.adhost.com They've been great to us... -Original Message- From: Andres [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 4:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Hosting solutions Hello cf-talkers, Would like to receive some suggestions from all of you in regards to hosting solutions. We own our servers and would like to just move our equipment to this new facility and have them managed and supported by their tech team. All ideas and suggestions are welcomed. Thanks Andres __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Passing a Struct through a url.
I believe there is an upper limit of 255 characters on URL parameters. Andy -Original Message- From: Jared Clinton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Passing a Struct through a url. Brian, You 'can' serialise a structure into a wddx string, then urlencode it and use it as a normal URL parameter - deserialising on the other side of the interaction. If you would want to is another matter. I'm not sure but there may be an upper limit on the length of URLs last time I tried it didn't seem that there was (I only tried up to 4k) but some proxy servers may disagree. Jared Clinton NEC Australia -Original Message- From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 5 April 2002 12:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Passing a Struct through a url. Not that I've ever seen John Wilker Web Applications Consultant, and Author Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer President/Founder, Inland Empire CFUG. www.red-omega.com more people are killed by donkeys than by airplane crashes each year -Original Message- From: Brian Eckerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Passing a Struct through a url. Can you pass a ColdFusion Structure through a html url? Brian Eckerman Web Developer __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: any jobs in orlando
What's wrong with your current job? Looks like you have a get out of jail card free! Brian Yager President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group Sr. Systems Analyst NCCIM/CIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (256) 842-8342 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: any jobs in orlando i don't know if i'm suppose to be posting this. does anyone know of any cf development jobsin the orlando area? i have searched wantedjobs.com but haven't found any. if anyone's company is hiring from that area, please contact me. i want to get out of this current job. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Query a Query or SQL Syntax (Not IN)
I love your field names AssName! Brian Yager President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group Sr. Systems Analyst NCCIM/CIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (256) 842-8342 -Original Message- From: Paul Sizemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Query a Query or SQL Syntax (Not IN) I've got two queries from different data sources, and I want to find records in the First, that are not in the second (a non-compliance report) Shouldn't I be able to do a NOT IN in a Query of Query? My code is as follows (Ass is short for Associate): !--- MS SQL Database - the recordset of people that have taken the test Right now record count is 0 --- cfquery name=AssTaken datasource=IntranetSelect AssName from Intranet.PBS.App_StraightTalk/cfquery !--- Informix Database - the recordset of all the people that need to take the test Right now record count is 2160--- cfquery name=AssList datasource=INF_OL7 cachedwithin=#CreateTimeSpan(0, 6, 0, 0) #Select empl,locnum,first_name,last_name,last_hire From associate Where last_hire '12/24/2001'/cfquery !--- The non-compliance recordset This returns 0 records--- cfquery name=AssNonComp dbtype=query Select empl from AssList,asstaken Where empl NOT IN (AssTaken)/cfquery What am I doing wrong, or how should I do this? __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: if anyone from macromedia is listening - cfinput request
Tony, I have to agree with Critz. Think of it in terms of performance when using the cfform and cfinput tags. Would you rather the server figure out the javascript that your page will do, or would you rather insert your own javascript and simply have it loaded in page. If you know what you want to do, don't make the server figure it out for you. Same thing goes with cfinput and cfupdate. In general tell the server what to do, things will do faster for you. If you really like the MM JS functions then use them once in a page, view the source and copy the validation functions into a snippet in studio. Then when you need to use it, YOU put in the page. It will give you a great deal more control in your code and also give you that mighty focus() touch at the end you so desire. I don't know if it would make a _huge_ difference in performance but it would definitely have some increase in your page processing time. Cheers, t ** Tyler M. Fitch Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com ** __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia?
There was at one stage an article on the Macromedia site about various methodologies. Fusebox was one of those covered. Also, Jeremy Allaire spoke at the last Fusebox conference. I don't know what he said, but I'm guessing he didn't say You guys are doin' it all wrong! Desist! ;-) Or maybe he did, which would have made an interesting speech... What you have to be careful about in your statement is your assumption that just because Jeremy showed up, Allaire/MM must be promoting it. I disagree with that assumption. I think that MM recognizes that Fusebox is a viable methodology used by many CF developers, and, as such, does what it can to accomodate its users. But I think that the company has been very careful to not openly advocate a particular way of developing CF applications -- and it should be careful. Sure, Jeremy spoke at the Fusebox conference. But what did he say? Did he say anything to the effect that MM promotes Fusebox? I don't think so, or that would have been news long ago. I go back to my previous post on this subject. Support and promote are two very different words. While it's clear that MM supports Fusebox, I would not go so far as to say it promotes Fusebox. That is unless, of course, a MM rep can shed some alternative light on this matter? Regards, Dave. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re[2]: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Well just a snippet from MM-site: The ColdFusion Trial Edition automatically converts to a non-expiring, full-featured single user Developer Edition after the 30-day trial period. The Developer Edition is currently available only for Windows and only in English. Not that crippled CFExpress-version Patric Stumpe mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
[WOT] Unix list
Sorry for the OT Anybody know a good Unix list... I am trying to figure out way to fool/fake out uname! TIA Dick __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia?
Also, Jeremy Allaire spoke at the last Fusebox conference. I don't know what he said, but I'm guessing he didn't say You guys are doin' it all wrong! Desist! ;-) Or maybe he did, which would have made an interesting speech... What you have to be careful about in your statement is your assumption that just because Jeremy showed up, Allaire/MM must be promoting it. I disagree with that assumption. Where did I say that? I didn't. What I said implies that that MM is not openly hostile, that's all. __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Daylight savings time
I have applications that deliver content in a time sensitive manner. We store times in our database in UTC (GMT). Whenever a country changes from or to standard time I catch a lot of grief because release times have to be manually updated. Anybody know of a tool, CF or otherwise, that can help me solve the problem of update the UTC stored based on some sort of location parameter. Shawn McKee __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Passing a Struct through a url.
HTTP places no limit on url length and the W3C specifically reccomends that servers should be able to accept a url of any length, the same goes for clients. Apache used to have a a 4K limit, although that may have changed with the new versions. I don't know IIS's limit if any. Just as an example, the USPS API uses xml packets sent as HTTP Get requests... jon - Original Message - From: Andy Ousterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:25 PM Subject: RE: Passing a Struct through a url. I believe there is an upper limit of 255 characters on URL parameters. Andy -Original Message- From: Jared Clinton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Passing a Struct through a url. Brian, You 'can' serialise a structure into a wddx string, then urlencode it and use it as a normal URL parameter - deserialising on the other side of the interaction. If you would want to is another matter. I'm not sure but there may be an upper limit on the length of URLs last time I tried it didn't seem that there was (I only tried up to 4k) but some proxy servers may disagree. Jared Clinton NEC Australia __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
ISP Caching
Hi all, I just want to see who else is having this problem. We are using CF 5, client vars, and cookies. Basically the problem is that one of our users from A can log in as one of our users from B. And that B user can log in as that A user. What i mean log in here is that they use bookmark to go to our secure website (username and password protected) and the website shows up A's name in B's machine and shows up B's name in A's machine. That A user can also log in as one of our European users. All of our users do not share URLs, usernames/passwords or anything like that. We use client vars to maintain states. CFID/CFTOKEn are not showing up in the URL. Members of our group state that it's the ISP caching problem. That's why our users can log in as other users. I am wondering whether any of you guys have this problem. And does anybody know about this ISP caching thing? Thanks in advance. JL ___ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: How do you change this number 70.0500 to 70.05?
Errr...u, I didn't read your message in its entirety. Fields of a certain type will always store a precision length even after using the ROUND function. Try this instead: SELECT CONVERT(NUMERIC(8,2), TheField) AS TheField FROM MyTable That will only give you six digits to the left of the decimal point. Increase the 8 to something higher for more. Benjamin S. Rogers http://www.c4.net/ v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How do you change this number 70.0500 to 70.05? How do you round it off? Multiply the number b7 100, round it off, and then divide by 100. Benjamin S. Rogers http://www.c4.net/ v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How do you change this number 70.0500 to 70.05? Thanks for your help. Only thing is a list of about 1000 clients is merged into the Activ Mail tag, and so each record has to be formatted within the query itself because Active Mail only takes lists from the query, not from CFPARAM or CFSET. The emails go out only to clients who's accounts are past due, but again the email tag uses variables only coming directly from within a query. Also, the database is managed by another company and they may be averse to changing the field type to decimal with a scale of 2, although I'm going to try that as the first option. Is there anyway to perhaps format fields with a function directly in the queries? Regards, Pardeep. - Original Message - From: Christopher Olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: RE: How do you change this number 70.0500 to 70.05? try making the field decimal with a scale of 2. christopher olive cto, vp of web development, vp it security atnet solutions, inc. 410.931.4092 http://www.atnetsolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How do you change this number 70.0500 to 70.05? Anyone have any idea how to change a number thats being outputted from a table as 70.0500 to 70.05 with only 2 decimal points. Is this doable thru a change in SQL 2000 or a change in the query itself? I'm doing an email merge, and the tag used won't allow formatting of anything within the body of the email, so the data has to be correctly formatted before being inserted into the email. The above number is a dollar amount owed by customers past due, so it need to be displayed in the email as $70.05 and right now shows as $70.0500 Appreciate any insights. Thanks. __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
On Thursday, April 4, 2002, at 07:54 AM, Dave Watts wrote: There are lots of free CGI engines, in addition to ASP, which isn't really free anyway - you have to buy Windows! Neither are the 3rd-party ASP add-ons free... those that give ASP capabilities that are built-in to CF! Dick __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Daylight savings time
It's a huge pain. I was exploring this yesterday and found this link which might be useful. http://www.twinsun.com/tz/tz-link.htm Regards, Matthew Walker /* Cabbage Tree Creative Ltd Christchurch - New Zealand http://www.matthewwalker.net.nz/ http://www.cabbagetree.co.nz/ */ -Original Message- From: Shawn McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 5 April 2002 10:01 a.m. To: CF-Talk Subject: Daylight savings time I have applications that deliver content in a time sensitive manner. We store times in our database in UTC (GMT). Whenever a country changes from or to standard time I catch a lot of grief because release times have to be manually updated. Anybody know of a tool, CF or otherwise, that can help me solve the problem of update the UTC stored based on some sort of location parameter. Shawn McKee __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
SQL null field
How to detect a null SQL field in colldfusion??? Thanks in advance. Mario __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Try http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/competitive/. Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Business Team / Macromedia, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being And you would think that Allaire/Macromedia would have something of the sort posted on their website, but I could not find anything there Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being The only problem you have is that you are going to find alot of information comparing CF4.0 and ASP/IIS3.0. i would love to see a comparison between CF5.0, ASP/IIS5.0, and PHP4. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia?
At 11:25 AM 4/4/2002 -0500, you wrote: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia? To the best of my knowledge, never. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712697/qid=10179238 36/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/002-7985215-1486459 ( According to this listing that just appeared on amazon.com ) The way I remember it, Allaire went out of there not to endorse or support any methodology. I didn't realize that Macromedia had taken an official stance. I don't see anything there to indicate otherwise. Really? Unless I'm mis-reading what you wrote, I thought this statement was pretty unambiguous: This methodology is supported and promoted by Allaire/Macromedia. It's located under the Editorial Reviews section on the second and third line. Supported is one thing, but promoted gives that statement a whole new meaning -- one that is either news to me or just plain inaccurate and should be corrected. Actually, even supported is wrong. If I develop a site in ASP using Fusebox, I can't go to Macromedia for support. ( As an example ) -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Web Developer? Contact me! AIM: Reboog711 | Fax / Phone: 860-223-7946 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Free or close to free Search Engine
Umm.. verity? If that does not help, perhaps you need to get more specific? At 01:35 PM 4/4/2002 -0600, you wrote: Looking for a windows based search engine software that will also search other platforms any suggestions? Ernie Pena Sr. CF Developer M.D. ANDERSON __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia?
Neither of which imply Support ( or Promotion ) of fusebox, though. Someone else used the word acknowledgement. I think that fits. At 09:59 AM 4/5/2002 +1200, you wrote: There was at one stage an article on the Macromedia site about various methodologies. Fusebox was one of those covered. Also, Jeremy Allaire spoke at the last Fusebox conference. I don't know what he said, but I'm guessing he didn't say You guys are doin' it all wrong! Desist! ;-) Or maybe he did, which would have made an interesting speech... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 5 April 2002 3:58 a.m. To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia? Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia? To the best of my knowledge, never. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712697/qid=10179238 36/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/002-7985215-1486459 ( According to this listing that just appeared on amazon.com ) The way I remember it, Allaire went out of there not to endorse or support any methodology. I didn't realize that Macromedia had taken an official stance. I don't see anything there to indicate otherwise. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: if anyone from macromedia is listening - cfinput request
Just a suggestion, but it already exsists... almost!
If you look at the docs for CFInput you will see OnError= and
OnValidate= as optional fields. I just had to use these to modify the
Phone Number validation of a CFInput box.
Here's the scoop: When you use a CFInput it's doing Javascript, right?
Well, they made this nifty little thing so that you can make it a little
smarter. Here's an example (yes, I actually ran it to make sure it works:
script
function ExtraCheck(cForm, cObject, cValue) {
if (cValue.length 10)
return false;
else
return true;
}
function MoveFocus(cForm, cObject, cValue, cErrorText) {
alert(cErrorText);
cObject.focus();
return false;
}
/script
cfform name=testing method=post action=test.cfm
Name: cfinput type=Text
name=Name
message=Please enter your name
required=Yes
onError=MoveFocusbr
Phone Number: cfinput type=Text
name=PhoneNumber
message=Please enter your phone number
required=Yes onValidate=ExtraCheck onError=MoveFocus
maxlength=30br
Note: cfinput type=Text
name=Extra
message=Please enter something else, at least 10 characters long
required=Yes
onValidate=ExtraCheck
onError=MoveFocus
maxlength=30br
input type=submit name=Process
/cfform
cfif IsDefined(Form.Process)
cfoutputhr
#Form.Name#br
#Form.PhoneNumber#br
#Form.Extra#
/cfoutput
/cfif
Hatton
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Subject: if anyone from macromedia is listening - cfinput request
please make it so cfinput can do a focus() method for the field that is
causing the exception. this is the only thing that prevents me from using
the tag and having to do it in javascript.
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query sorting after running query
Hey All, OK I'm running a query that I need to order by a calculated value from the results. The hitch is that I can't do the calculated values until after I have the query results (not a SQL or DB limitation). So I need to run the querydo some calculationsre-order the results based on the calculated values. I'm looking at arrays, structures, and lists along with some functions to manipulate those. Does that sound right or is there perhaps a UDF or other toy that somebody would like to suggest? Thanks in advance Cheers BTW where are all the posts today? or is my little corner of the web shut off from the outside world ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
ColdFusion is available in 2 flavours : ColdFusion Server Professional ColdFusion Server Enterprise ColdFusion Enterprise is the largest/boldest of the family and has the most features. There IS a 30 day trial download of this product from the site which after 30 days expire it will turn into a single IP development version : i.e 127.0.0.1/192.168.0.1 You can freely use it for development but not for production! HTH Neil Team Macromedia Spectra __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Daylight savings time
Shawn, You might want to check out the GetTimeZoneInfo() function. From the docs: GetTimeZoneInfo Description Returns a structure that contains time zone information for the computer on which it is executed. The structure contains four elements with the following keys: * utcTotalOffsetoffset of the local time, in minutes, from Universal Coordinated Time (UTC). A plus sign (+) indicates that a time zone is west of UTC, such as the time zones in North and South America. A minus sign (-) indicates that a time zone is east of UTC, such as the time zones in Germany. * utcHourOffsetoffset, in hours of local time, from UTC. * utcMinuteOffsetoffset, in minutes, after the hours offset is taken into account. For North America, this is always 0. For countries that are not exactly on the hour offset, the number is between 0 and 60. For example, standard time in Adelaide, Australia has an offset of 9 hours and 30 minutes from UTC. * isDSTOnTrue if Daylight Savings Time (DST) is on in the host; False if DST is off. Category Date and time functions Syntax GetTimeZoneInfo() See also DateConvert, CreateDateTime, DatePart Example html head titleGetTimeZoneInfo Example/title /head body bgcolor = silver H3GetTimeZoneInfo Example/H3 !--- This example shows the use of GetTimeZoneInfo --- cfoutput The local date and time are #now()#. /cfoutput cfset info = GetTimeZoneInfo() cfoutput PTotal offset in seconds is #info.utcTotalOffset#./P POffset in hours is #info.utcHourOffset#./P POffset in minutes minus the offset in hours is #info.utcMinuteOffset#./P PIs Daylight Savings Time in effect? #info.isDSTOn#./P /cfoutput /body /html -Original Message- From: Shawn McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 4:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Daylight savings time I have applications that deliver content in a time sensitive manner. We store times in our database in UTC (GMT). Whenever a country changes from or to standard time I catch a lot of grief because release times have to be manually updated. Anybody know of a tool, CF or otherwise, that can help me solve the problem of update the UTC stored based on some sort of location parameter. Shawn McKee __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia?
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712697/qid=10179238 36/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/002-7985215-1486459 ( According to this listing that just appeared on amazon.com ) The way I remember it, Allaire went out of there not to endorse or support any methodology. I didn't realize that Macromedia had taken an official stance. I don't see anything there to indicate otherwise. Look closer at the From the back cover bit. It is curious - are they just making this up?! - Gyrus - [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: http://www.tengai.co.uk play: http://www.norlonto.net - PGP key available __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
French months for calendar
Hi, I'm working on a calendar that supports all the CF locales. It's using three letter abbreviations for months. But in French juin and juillet both become jui and jui. Does anybody know what the French do about this? e.g. do they use four letter abbreviations Merci! __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia?
Dave: Scroll down to Editorial Reviews: (This methodology is supported and promoted by Allaire/Macromedia) - Scott -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia? Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia? To the best of my knowledge, never. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712697/qid=10179238 36/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/002-7985215-1486459 ( According to this listing that just appeared on amazon.com ) The way I remember it, Allaire went out of there not to endorse or support any methodology. I didn't realize that Macromedia had taken an official stance. I don't see anything there to indicate otherwise. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
OT: IIS 5.0 and server-side RAM cache?
I tried this one in the MSDN IIS Newsgroup, no responses. Anyone here have any ideas? We noticed on our IIS 5.0 development server that changes to CSS documents (linked to HTM/CFM docs) on the server did not update instantly in the client browser (IE5.5). Clearing the cache on the client side didn't seem to help. Refresh, and CTRL-Refresh didn't work, the updates seemed to take effect at random times (anywhere between 5 seconds and 5 minutes). When I started looking in to it, i found an article describing an IIS 5.0 server RAM caching feature. The article explained that some frequently used documents are cached in the server RAM for quicker access. This seemed like a logical explanation for my .CSS problem because: a.) it didn't (and still doesn't) happen on our IIS 4.0 server b.) the length of time it took to have the updated styles actually display was inconsistent c.) requesting the .css template via HTTP sends the old file... but a request for the .css via the File protocol delivers the updated version. The article recommended changing a registry key on the server (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Ineti nfo\Parameters\MemCacheSize(REG-DWORD) ) to 0 to disable this RAM caching. We did this, and restarted the IIS service. This didn't seem to fix the problem. Anybody have any other recommendations? Maybe this wasn't the problem in the first place?? It's IIS 5.0 running on a Win2000 server. CF Server 5.0, if that matters. If you don't mind, please cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] in your replies to the list. I am subscribed to the digest. Thanks in advance!! v/r, Jeff Brown FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Passing a Struct through a url.
I was using IE5.0 running IIS with CF4.0 and I ran into limit of 255 when testing, so I switched to session variables for longer items. Let me know if this is an User error, since it created extra work. Andy -Original Message- From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Passing a Struct through a url. HTTP places no limit on url length and the W3C specifically reccomends that servers should be able to accept a url of any length, the same goes for clients. Apache used to have a a 4K limit, although that may have changed with the new versions. I don't know IIS's limit if any. Just as an example, the USPS API uses xml packets sent as HTTP Get requests... jon - Original Message - From: Andy Ousterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:25 PM Subject: RE: Passing a Struct through a url. I believe there is an upper limit of 255 characters on URL parameters. Andy -Original Message- From: Jared Clinton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Passing a Struct through a url. Brian, You 'can' serialise a structure into a wddx string, then urlencode it and use it as a normal URL parameter - deserialising on the other side of the interaction. If you would want to is another matter. I'm not sure but there may be an upper limit on the length of URLs last time I tried it didn't seem that there was (I only tried up to 4k) but some proxy servers may disagree. Jared Clinton NEC Australia __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: IIS 5.0 and server-side RAM cache?
Restarting the IIS service alone should clear any memory cache. If that didn't do the trick, I would think the problem has to be client-side. Jim - Original Message - From: Jeff Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: OT: IIS 5.0 and server-side RAM cache? I tried this one in the MSDN IIS Newsgroup, no responses. Anyone here have any ideas? We noticed on our IIS 5.0 development server that changes to CSS documents (linked to HTM/CFM docs) on the server did not update instantly in the client browser (IE5.5). Clearing the cache on the client side didn't seem to help. Refresh, and CTRL-Refresh didn't work, the updates seemed to take effect at random times (anywhere between 5 seconds and 5 minutes). When I started looking in to it, i found an article describing an IIS 5.0 server RAM caching feature. The article explained that some frequently used documents are cached in the server RAM for quicker access. This seemed like a logical explanation for my .CSS problem because: a.) it didn't (and still doesn't) happen on our IIS 4.0 server b.) the length of time it took to have the updated styles actually display was inconsistent c.) requesting the .css template via HTTP sends the old file... but a request for the .css via the File protocol delivers the updated version. The article recommended changing a registry key on the server (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Ineti nfo\Parameters\MemCacheSize(REG-DWORD) ) to 0 to disable this RAM caching. We did this, and restarted the IIS service. This didn't seem to fix the problem. Anybody have any other recommendations? Maybe this wasn't the problem in the first place?? It's IIS 5.0 running on a Win2000 server. CF Server 5.0, if that matters. If you don't mind, please cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] in your replies to the list. I am subscribed to the digest. Thanks in advance!! v/r, Jeff Brown FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia?
I don't see anything there to indicate otherwise. Really? Unless I'm mis-reading what you wrote, I thought this statement was pretty unambiguous: This methodology is supported and promoted by Allaire/ Macromedia. It's located under the Editorial Reviews section on the second and third line. Supported is one thing, but promoted gives that statement a whole new meaning -- one that is either news to me or just plain inaccurate and should be corrected. Oops. I just didn't see that. In any case, I don't think that Macromedia or Allaire have ever either supported or promoted Fusebox, so I would suppose that this quote is an overstatement, to say the least. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Since when was fusebox ever supported or promoted by Allaire / Macromedia?
I would suppose that this quote is an overstatement, to say the least. How odd for the marketing department of a book publisher to overstate things on their back cover. :) __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: SQL null field
How to detect a null SQL field in colldfusion??? Thanks in advance. cfif len(trim(fieldname)) gt 0 the filed is not null cfelse the field is null /cfif From Santhosh __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: SQL null field
How to detect a null SQL field in colldfusion??? Thanks in advance. cfif len(trim(fieldname)) gt 0 the filed is not null cfelse the field is null /cfif Uh, that tells you the length of the field. CF doesn't recognize NULL values, and it replaces them with zero-length strings. I don't think that you can determine from a CF recordset whether the database contains NULL values or empty strings. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Where is the best place to put business rules?
I agree with Dave - putting all of your business logic inside triggers can be a dangerous game. The best way is to develop objects that implement your business logic for you and these objects are then used by applications. I don't think that's exactly what I said, or meant. I think that you could certainly use triggers for data manipulation logic, but that in a properly configured database that isn't subject to ad-hoc queries, you don't have to - you could safely use stored procedures instead. As far as developing a middle tier for business logic goes, I understand the appeal of doing that, but for most CF applications, it may be overkill, although that may change in the next version of CF, which may be a bit more friendly to that approach. In any case, I'd still want to keep core data manipulation logic as close to the data as possible, typically in stored procedures. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
