RE: ENOUGH was RE: LONG time CF Supporter)
Hey CF-Talk'ers, It seemed most appropriate post this as a reply to the message below from Michael regading this thread. I really appreciate Michael's efforts hosting this venue for CFers to share technical help, information, perspectives and concerns with each other, as well as Macromedia personnel like me. Hosting this list is a mostly thankless job, and Michael does an awesome job. Thanks Michael! (This response may be a little longer than normal, you may want to grab a cup of coffee. =) As my job is two-fold, I want to let you know what I've heard as the bigger issues for the CF community raised in these recent threads, and convey any info on those issues I have for you now: 1. Some developers are not happy that they are required to provide a credit card number when contacting support. Nothing to report to you all yet, as this will be the first time I've raised this issue internally. 2. Developers would like more insight into the bug submission and handling process, as well as a way to readily find info about known issues. This has come up on several occasions before. We're very interested in addressing this need, and we're currently investigating what we might be able to provide, largely due to your feedback. If/when I have some firm info, I'll announce it here (if someone doesn't scoop me!) 3. There is a desire for more information on best practices documentation / input from Macromedia. This is already being investigated internally, again because of your feedback, but I don't yet have any ETA. It may be more challenging than it seems - I've personally seen it discussed on several CF lists, and the only thing that folks seem to agree upon is that they disagree about what best practices should be. But most agree each shop should establish standards that all in the shop should follow. Internally, we are working to narrow down how we can best address the CF community's request for officially sanctioned best practices, especially with any sorts of universally applicable best practices. Meanwhile, we're all relying upon the books written by the CF gurus for guidance in this area, even many of us within Macromedia. There are additional sentiments expressed by some that I'll relate internally, including (but not limited to): * Macromedia is bigger and seems more impersonal than Allaire was. * Macromedia doesn't seem to be prioritizing ColdFusion as highly as expected. * Macromedia is sometimes inconsistent in it's communications. But that's not all! I'll also communicate internally the various CFMX-specific issues expressed by Lee and others (actually, I've already begun doing that). But, I'll also urge anyone having critical CFMX issues to utilize our Technical Support, especially if you can't resolve your issue with the help of the lists and the Macromedia forums. Tech Support will either be able to help you, or let you know it's a known but not-publicly documented issue, or they will gather the specific info the engineers need regarding previously unknown/unconfirmed issues which prevent a resolution of your issue. All reports I've received are that Tech Support has been very fair about whether to charge for an incident or not. BTW, I understand that the standard on this is whether the bug/issue is undocumented - not just if it's a bug, so read the docs thoroughly if you're concerned about this. And, I'll repeat my promise - contact me directly off list if you don't think support handled your incident fairly and professionally, and I'll investigate your incident. I've got the full backing of Macromedia management in that promise, but I've not yet had anyone take me up on it. As I wrap this up, I want to acknowledge that many issues have been raised, and there are many facets to each issue. If I didn't address a particular concern, let's continue to talk about it. We'll continue to discuss on this list (and other venues) those issues which are important to the CF community. If your concern or issue is regarding your individual situation, please feel free to contact me off list. Thanks, Vernon Viehe Servers Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove NO-SPAM) P.S. If anyone feels the needs to flame me, can you wait till later in the day? I live on the west coast, and I miss out on the real-time action if everyone on the east coast goes at it first thing in the AM. Good Morning! =) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ENOUGH ALREADY PLEASE RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About read y to dump CF! I let the thread continue because I felt that it did much more good than harm to the list. On one side we heard what the community thought of certain MM related issues. As MM is listening to this list (with a number of ears), the concerns are being heard. Because there were so many voices speaking the concerns
RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Hitler :deletes rest of unread messages in thread :-) Tom Chiverton You don't have to be a mad scientist to believe in ColdFusion ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: ENOUGH was RE: LONG time CF Supporter)
Vernon thanks for your report - it's encouraging to know that the issues we've tossed about here are going to find their way onto the agenda at project meetings at Macromedia. I think it would be really good if there was a way for MM to tell us what you're working on. It's a lot easier to deal with ongoing issues if you know there's a solution on the way. Yes, Mr Client, that's a problem, but Macromedia are working on it and there should be a fix for it soon. In the mean time lets see if we can work out a way around it as a temporary measure. At least you know where you stand then. Or if you know that MM haven't got the problem on the list of issues being worked on, you also know that you aren't going to get a fix any time soon, so you'd best either start working on 'encouraging' MM or finding an alternative way to do what you want done. I know that no company wants to offer it's competitors a convenient weapon to use (ColdFusion! Man you should see the list of bugs they have!! Use this instead!) so I realise you can't easily make a public list of issues you're working on, but surely others have solved this same problem. I know I can be FAR more patient when I know someone's working on the problem. Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP WebWorks -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 9 October 2002 6:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ENOUGH was RE: LONG time CF Supporter) Hey CF-Talk'ers, It seemed most appropriate post this as a reply to the message below from Michael regading this thread. I really appreciate Michael's efforts hosting this venue for CFers to share technical help, information, perspectives and concerns with each other, as well as Macromedia personnel like me. Hosting this list is a mostly thankless job, and Michael does an awesome job. Thanks Michael! [snip] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
Capturing IP Addresses
Maybe I'm searching incorrectly, but it seems to be that it should be relatively easy to capture a user's IP address, for example, when they are submitting a form. Can anyone push me in the right direction? Thanks, Russ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: Capturing IP Addresses
relatively easy to capture a user's IP address #cgi.remote_addr# Regards, Bob Haroche O n P o i n t S o l u t i o n s www.OnPointSolutions.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: Capturing IP Addresses
The variable you're looking for is #CGI.REMOTE_ADDR#. You can also see a bunch of other useful variables (like browser type, etc) by doing a dump of the CGI scope like this: cfdump var=#CGI# -Novak - Original Message - From: Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:08 AM Subject: Capturing IP Addresses Maybe I'm searching incorrectly, but it seems to be that it should be relatively easy to capture a user's IP address, for example, when they are submitting a form. Can anyone push me in the right direction? Thanks, Russ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Dave Watts wrote: However, I'd recommend that you avoid using trusted connections for database authentication against SQL Server anyway, for various reasons. Just Catching up on the thread here. I was told by a somewhat accomplished [1] CF developer a few years ago that it was better to use trusted connections because SQL 7 stores it's SQL authentication account details in an unencrypted form in the system registry, which makes it more vulnerable to hacking. Perhaps you could enlighten me with the true situation involving trusted connections, SQL authentication and their pros and cons? Thanks, Dave [1] A contributing author of the O'Reilly Coldfusion book. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Problems with CFMX?
Mark, Not sure if anyone has responded to you yet as I'm just catching up on the list at the moment. However, I would urge you to go ahead and download a trial and run your own tests with CFMX. The problems mentioned in the CF support and unstable threads are not being experienced by everyone, and I do believe that once CFMX installs correctly and actually gets running, it is a great product. I did manage to have my install running for a few days before problems began and I was extremely pleased with it...marked increase in perfomrance, plus all the new functionality available to me (I moved from 4.52 to cfmx). HTH, Dave -Original Message- From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 October 2002 17:32 To: CF-Talk Subject: Problems with CFMX? I have been watching threads like LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF and CFMX - I've never seen anything so unstable in my life over the past few weeks. What has me concerned is this next few weeks I am going to upgrade a fairly large site to CFMX. The site currently runs CF 5 and MS SQL 2000. Are there a large number of problems with CFMX that I should know about? Luckily I have a few weeks to play with the new servers before they go live. Any ETA on a CFMX .1 update? (is one needed) Thanks Mark W. Breneman -Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer -Network / Web Server Administrator Vivid Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vividmedia.com 608.270.9770 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Dave Wilson wrote: Just Catching up on the thread here. I was told by a somewhat accomplished [1] CF developer a few years ago that it was better to use trusted connections because SQL 7 stores it's SQL authentication account details in an unencrypted form in the system registry, which makes it more vulnerable to hacking. If somebody has unauthorized access to the registry your system is beyond salvage anyway. BTW, are you sure it is not about CF storing the password in unencrypted form in the registry? Because that is what previous versions used to do. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: JDBC socket reset (was CF supporter something or other....)
Yes, we have a project running cfmx on Solaris with Oracle (on a separate machine) which gets a JDBC connection pooling error on an intermittent basis. Restarting cfmx clears it for a few days. The error reads: SQLException occurred in JDBCPool while attempting to connect, please check your username, password, URL, and other connectivity info. The setup uses Oracle OCI8 jdbc drivers. andy -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: JDBC socket reset (was CF supporter something or other) Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: Dave, Yes - that's the fix we are using. But all the hype over Type 4 drivers makes us want to use them instead of JDBC. Some people doing i18n will not call the MS SQL Server Type 4 JDBC drivers a hype. BTW, is there *anyone* that has JDBC problems where it is not with MS SQL Server? I sure get the impression that the problems are created by MS instead of MM. Jochem -- Why blame somebody else when you can blame MS? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
I'm only testing a CFMX trial to determine wheter or not to purchase CFMX. It's a question of staying with 4.5 and purchasing popchart ($1500) or upgrading to CFMX reducing the need for popchart licensing ($800). We'll end up purchasing CFMX eventually anyway so I was kinda hoping now that CFMX has been on the market a while and there's even a patch available for it, that it might be ready for our company to use. As for code compatibility - I had our trial running perfectly for the first couple days and there were practically no code problems, except for a COM issue, which I took the necessary (as reccommended by MM) measures in correcting, which in turn appears to have caused my server to die. Dave -Original Message- From: Neil H. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 October 2002 19:19 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! I don't know how could anyone possible upgrade to CFMX from CF 5. If you ran one site and thoroughly tested it maybe, but in a larger environment its pure suicide. There are pages and pages of differences between CF 5 and CFMX and things just aren't backwards compatible. Neil - Original Message - From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:30 PM Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! OH yeah.. I completely agree. And (using hind-sight, which of course is ALWAYS 20/20) it would have been better to keep CFMX on the newer boxes only, and not upgrade any others. Moving customers who wish to use the new functionality (with full disclosure and disclaimers) as they will. Oh well.. sigh... | -Original Message- | From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:08 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! | | | Hi Lee, | Your point is well taken, I was a bit bummed that some | of our existing code didn't work too. I have to differ with | you a bit though. | | Internet languages (html, javascript, etc) are awful | sloppy. It makes them hard to read/debug. Coming from a | C/Java stand point they are too forgiving. If you look at the | trend of the internet (xhtml, xml, etc), you'll notice that | code tightening is where we are going. | | Code often runs better when it is uniform, predictable, | and structured. | | It's a bit painful, but I think it will help cf run | faster, among other things. | | | -Original Message- | From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:54 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! | | | Hey Stace! | | I understand. And with this, it's most likely the same type of issue. | | One of the things, however, that sticks in my craw (as it | were) was that during the months leading up to CFMX's | release, we were told OVER and OVER again that existing code | would work well in CFMX, with little, if any, changes. I | heard that bell ring in the tower more than 20 times, that I | can count on one hand. grin | | Yet here we are with locking causes this, change code to | do this or that, fix up the code. Uhm... ? So am I to | believe that the chant | was false? Telling my clients to go back and fix their | code is like | saying.. | | Uhm.. Sorry you can't park that car here, it's BLUE! | But you told me to paint it blue!?!? | I know, but now we're back to only RED cars. Sorry.. | Go paint it BLUE! | | It's more than just an inconvenience, to say the least. If | I switch back to 5, all the touting I did about CFMX's | behavior and power was for naught. And even worse, many of | the CF clients may just opt for ASP, PHP, etc., just cuz they | don't believe me telling them Well.. But don't worry, it'll | be fixed. Really! | | | | -Original Message- | | From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:33 AM | | To: CF-Talk | | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! | | | | | | Hi Lee, | | | | Out of 3 incidents I've opened relating to CFMX..I only got | dinged for | | 1 of 'em...cause it was an environment issue on our end. | | | | Cheers, | | | | Stace | | | | -Original Message- | | From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:10 PM | | To: CF-Talk | | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! | | | | Jesse, | | | | Yeah.. We understand that. We completely understand what you're | | saying. But you missed my last post (or maybe I just | haven't read your | | response yet grin) that YOU may not want us to pay. But | there are | | others that WOULD. And that's what keeps us from calling | up good-ol' | | MM. | | | | | | | -Original Message- | | | From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | | | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002
RE: Not Another MX boo boo?
Sean, You're not impressing me with your defensive attitude. Is all this arguing really part of your job? Greg Luce -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Not Another MX boo boo? On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 14:07 US/Pacific, Rob Rohan wrote: dateFormat(now(), dd/mm/yy (ddd)) No longer works in MX. looks like only certain characters work in date format. I get: date is 08/10/02 (Tue) using this code: cfoutput cfset str = dateFormat(now(), dd/mm/yy (ddd))/ date is #str# /cfoutput Can you be a bit more precise about what No longer works about this please? (And perhaps use a less confrontational subject line? :) An Architect's View -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at http://www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
HI, I'm getting a little confused with cfcookies and cfset SESSION.varaible =. My application was using cfcookies and it seemed to work fine. I was reading in a field from my database which was a comma delimited field of directories on my hard drive. This was then put into a cookie. I have a template that allows the user to add or remove directories for viewing in their navigation window (tree list). Any changes made from the template would be saved to the database and the cookie would be updated. The problem I'm experiencing now is I changed all my cfcookie calls to use cfset SESSSION.variable = and when I add/remove a directory and click my refresh button it won't update my navigation (tree list) frame until I actually close my IE and start it back up again. Then the appropriate directorie(s) don't appear which where added/remove from my template. How can I make this update appear by refreshing? Do I *have* to use cookies in my case? --- Colonel Nathan R. Jessop Commanding Officer Marine Ground Forces Guatanamo Bay, Cuba --- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Subject lines (Was: Not Another MX boo boo?)
Greg, Keep the flames away, and please (this is for everyone) use meaningful subject-lines. I scan the subjects now and then, and I don't read all the mailings to this list. It also serves a point for the archives and the digests. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: convert first letter of words in a string to upper
Check the Tag gallery there's a tag called CF_Capitalize...works well...I have a copy of it if you need it...mail me offlist, its freeware. Dave -Original Message- From: Jared Clinton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 October 2002 00:33 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: convert first letter of words in a string to upper Chris, Have a look at www.cflib.org It has heaps of cool things, and I'm quite sure also what you are looking for. Jared Clinton. NEC Australia. -Original Message- From: Chris Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 9 October 2002 7:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: convert first letter of words in a string to upper I need a function to convert first letter of words in a string to upper case. -- Chris Edwards Web Application Developer Outer Banks Internet, Inc. 252-441-6698 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.OuterBanksInternet.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
CF vs ASP
OK...I know I'm going to get beat-up over this question, but... Being new at this, I am trying to determine why I should learn CF over ASP (or vice versa). Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. Craig
Re: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
Is your session variable getting updated? If not, there is your problem, if so, then the problem lies in some part of the program that is not using the session variables value, or not using it correctly. If the app works using just cookies, then switching to session variables shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. I'm not sure how secure your app needs to be, but storing paths like that on the client in a cookie sounds very insecure. If I altered the cookie with the list of paths to include c:\, could I get a listing of that directory? Sounds like to me this variable should definitely be a session or client scoped variable. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 7:40:05 AM, you wrote: F HI, F I'm getting a little confused with cfcookies and cfset SESSION.varaible =. My application was using cfcookies and it seemed to work fine. I was reading in a field from my F database which was a comma delimited field of directories on my hard drive. This was then put into a cookie. I have a template that allows the user to add or remove F directories for viewing in their navigation window (tree list). Any changes made from the template would be saved to the database and the cookie would be updated. F The problem I'm experiencing now is I changed all my cfcookie calls to use cfset SESSSION.variable = and when I add/remove a directory and click my refresh button it F won't update my navigation (tree list) frame until I actually close my IE and start it back up again. Then the appropriate directorie(s) don't appear which where added/remove F from my template. F How can I make this update appear by refreshing? Do I *have* to use cookies in my case? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: CF vs ASP
Being new at this, I am trying to determine why I should learn CF over ASP (or vice versa). http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/competitive/ Tom Chiverton You don't have to be a mad scientist to believe in ColdFusion ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:02:24 -0400, Jon Hall wrote: Is your session variable getting updated? If not, there is your problem, if so, then the problem lies in some part of the program that is not using the session variables value, or not using it correctly. If the app works using just cookies, then switching to session variables shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. Yes...I didn't change the line that was calling in the cookie. Now I get an error in my application saying that that it can't resolve the parameter SESSION.VariableName Do I have to set it, maybe in my application.cfm to be Nil at first? I'm not sure how secure your app needs to be, but storing paths like that on the client in a cookie sounds very insecure. If I altered the cookie with the list of paths to include c:\, could I get a listing of that directory? Sounds like to me this variable should definitely be a session or client scoped variable. This is strickly a intranet app. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 7:40:05 AM, you wrote: F HI, F I'm getting a little confused with cfcookies and cfset SESSION.varaible =. My application was using cfcookies and it seemed to work fine. I was reading in a field from my F database which was a comma delimited field of directories on my hard drive. This was then put into a cookie. I have a template that allows the user to add or remove F directories for viewing in their navigation window (tree list). Any changes made from the template would be saved to the database and the cookie would be updated. F The problem I'm experiencing now is I changed all my cfcookie calls to use cfset SESSSION.variable = and when I add/remove a directory and click my refresh button it F won't update my navigation (tree list) frame until I actually close my IE and start it back up again. Then the appropriate directorie(s) don't appear which where added/remove F from my template. F How can I make this update appear by refreshing? Do I *have* to use cookies in my case? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
Re: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
Nevermind...I got it to work. Thanks On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:22:42 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:02:24 -0400, Jon Hall wrote: Is your session variable getting updated? If not, there is your problem, if so, then the problem lies in some part of the program that is not using the session variables value, or not using it correctly. If the app works using just cookies, then switching to session variables shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. Yes...I didn't change the line that was calling in the cookie. Now I get an error in my application saying that that it can't resolve the parameter SESSION.VariableName Do I have to set it, maybe in my application.cfm to be Nil at first? I'm not sure how secure your app needs to be, but storing paths like that on the client in a cookie sounds very insecure. If I altered the cookie with the list of paths to include c:\, could I get a listing of that directory? Sounds like to me this variable should definitely be a session or client scoped variable. This is strickly a intranet app. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 7:40:05 AM, you wrote: F HI, F I'm getting a little confused with cfcookies and cfset SESSION.varaible =. My application was using cfcookies and it seemed to work fine. I was reading in a field from my F database which was a comma delimited field of directories on my hard drive. This was then put into a cookie. I have a template that allows the user to add or remove F directories for viewing in their navigation window (tree list). Any changes made from the template would be saved to the database and the cookie would be updated. F The problem I'm experiencing now is I changed all my cfcookie calls to use cfset SESSSION.variable = and when I add/remove a directory and click my refresh button it F won't update my navigation (tree list) frame until I actually close my IE and start it back up again. Then the appropriate directorie(s) don't appear which where added/remove F from my template. F How can I make this update appear by refreshing? Do I *have* to use cookies in my case? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
Whats the best way to clear ALL session variables when a user logouts or closes IE? On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:25:19 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: Nevermind...I got it to work. Thanks On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:22:42 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:02:24 -0400, Jon Hall wrote: Is your session variable getting updated? If not, there is your problem, if so, then the problem lies in some part of the program that is not using the session variables value, or not using it correctly. If the app works using just cookies, then switching to session variables shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. Yes...I didn't change the line that was calling in the cookie. Now I get an error in my application saying that that it can't resolve the parameter SESSION.VariableName Do I have to set it, maybe in my application.cfm to be Nil at first? I'm not sure how secure your app needs to be, but storing paths like that on the client in a cookie sounds very insecure. If I altered the cookie with the list of paths to include c:\, could I get a listing of that directory? Sounds like to me this variable should definitely be a session or client scoped variable. This is strickly a intranet app. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 7:40:05 AM, you wrote: F HI, F I'm getting a little confused with cfcookies and cfset SESSION.varaible =. My application was using cfcookies and it seemed to work fine. I was reading in a field from my F database which was a comma delimited field of directories on my hard drive. This was then put into a cookie. I have a template that allows the user to add or remove F directories for viewing in their navigation window (tree list). Any changes made from the template would be saved to the database and the cookie would be updated. F The problem I'm experiencing now is I changed all my cfcookie calls to use cfset SESSSION.variable = and when I add/remove a directory and click my refresh button it F won't update my navigation (tree list) frame until I actually close my IE and start it back up again. Then the appropriate directorie(s) don't appear which where added/remove F from my template. F How can I make this update appear by refreshing? Do I *have* to use cookies in my case? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: QUestion about Input File and CFFILE
you can only use that AFTER you have used CFFILE. I need the name of the file BEFORE I use CFFILE so I can get the extension and change the file name. Brian Yager President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group http://www.nacfug.com Sr. Systems Analyst Sverdrup/CIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (256) 842-8342 -Original Message- From: Jeff Garza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: QUestion about Input File and CFFILE What does #CFFILE.ClientFile# return? Jeff - Original Message - From: Yager, Brian T Contractor/Sverdrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:11 PM Subject: QUestion about Input File and CFFILE I am trying to upload a file using CFFILE. I can get it to wrok just fine. But what I can't do is get the name of the file BEFORE I use CFFILE. When I try to output the name of the file input box, I get some weird name with an extension of .tmp. Can anyone help me with what I need please? Thanks, Brian Yager President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group http://www.nacfug.com Sr. Systems Analyst Sverdrup/CIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (256) 842-8342 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: Snippet Re: looping through a text string
Huh? -Original Message- From: Brian Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 7:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Snippet Re: looping through a text string Broke out the RegEx manual. - Original Message - From: Everett, Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: RE: looping through a text string There wouldn't be one. You could do this, though: cfloop from=1 to=#Len(myString)# index=i cfset currentChar=Mid(myString,i,1) ... /cfloop -Original Message- From: Brian Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: looping through a text string What would be the delimiter if you wanted to loop through a text string? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: CFMX wipes session vars after Verity update?
Gyrus, I couldn't reproduce this. I used a simpler test:
cfif not isDefined(session.verity)
setting session.veritybr
cfset session.verity = 1
/cfif
cfindex action=update
collection=6A89AE47-4D03-11D3-944600104BF23043_BODY
key=#ExpandPath('tags')# type=PATH
urlpath=http://localhost/downloads/; extensions=.cfm recurse=No
On first run, I see the setting... message, but I do not see it again.
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-Original Message-
From: Gyrus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFMX wipes session vars after Verity update?
Just had a curious glitch in an app (running CFMX with
updater on my local
WinXP Pro desktop):
Using the developer tools interface I've built into my app, I went and
created the Verity collection for indexing a directory of
files. Fine. Then
I selected the option to update (i.e. index) the collection.
There was the
usual pause while it indexed, then I was promptly thrown back
to my login
form. Apparently, my session vars no longer existed.
The code I running was a plain CFINDEX:
!--- Get paths to directory and file types ---
cflock scope=APPLICATION type=READONLY timeout=10
cfset wwwroot = application.vars.front_wwwroot
cfset allowedFileTypes =
Duplicate(application.vars.allowedFileTypes)
/cflock
cfset allowedFileTypes = Replace(allowedFileTypes, ,,
,., ALL)
cfset allowedFileTypes = .#allowedFileTypes#
!--- Do indexing ---
cflock timeout=30 name=INDEXLOCK_downloads type=EXCLUSIVE
cfindex action=#attributes.action# collection=downloads
key=#ExpandPath('..\downloads\')# type=PATH
urlpath=#wwwroot#downloads/ extensions=#allowedFileTypes#
recurse=No
/cflock
I don't know *for sure* that the session variables had gone -
I've logged
back in now and the indexing worked OK. But, to my eyes, it
seemed that my
session had just been wiped.
Anyone come across anything like this before?
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Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM actually developed db drivers? Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about which people are complaining were not written by us... which means that we are reliant on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other drivers available. Ahh gotcha ... See, I'd been under the impression that was the case all-along, which I guess explains why I never expected any potential problems with db drivers to be quick fixes... because it requires MM tech support getting enough data to give to the 3rd party and then either producing a work-around or haggling with the driver vendors or both, which I imagine could be a protracted sort of arrangement. Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: cfflush on mx small data pools
Internet Explorer has a 'feature' where even if you flush, it will not display the text until it gets 'enough' text. What is enough text? Around 250 chars I think. If I'm flushing and now I won't have more than that, I add this BEFORE the flush: #repeatString( ,x)# where x is between 150 - 200 or so. This normally 'forces' IE to display the text before the repeatString. === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda -Original Message- From: Sam Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: cfflush on mx small data pools I am trying to flush a very small amount of data on mx but don't seem to be able to get the following to flush: cfoutput html head titleProcessing./title /head body processingbr /cfoutput cfflush interval=1 I would like it to flush immeadiately--its a payment page and I want to let users know something is happening. The text does not appear until the page loads (15-30 seconds later). Any ideas? Thanks, Sam ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
All- Funny, I should stop sleeping. I wanted to take a moment to address something that is bothering me a great deal. Out of the huge thread yesterday, there came a lot of realizations that Macromedia is currently examining internally, misconceptions if you will about the way MM communicates things. Make no mistake, these issues are being discussed, as Sean and Vernon have both mentioned. However, one of the things that bothered me the most was the fact several people basically said: OH NOES! CFMX is poop! I won't buy/run it until all of these horrible bugs are fixed. This is what I refer too as the Myth of Bugs. I think something many people are forgetting is the scenario of a mailing list, or the forums. This is the scenario that discourses the fact that mainly the only people who will post to forums, and mailing lists in a typical day are those who have issues. Now, if I read cf-talk on $RAND day, I could safely assume that CFMX was crippled, a lame-duck to the market. Does this assumption make it true? No. It bothers me to hear people say that they will not even try CFMX out because there are so many show stopping issues. I would beg the argument that this is far, very far, from the truth. Those of you dropping CFMX or completely ignoring it because of the debates/issues raised on CF-Talk and the Forums would be better served if you actually downloaded and ran your application yourself, instead of taking the word of the mailing lists and forums. CFMX, as has been stated before, was the *most* tested version of ColdFusion *ever* put on market, I can't make this clear enough. I would imagine that some of the show stopper issues that are being raised have either been addresses, will be address, or are simply environmental. I would also state that the only people who raise the CFMX is Poop flag are those who have hit a bug, or other issue, which is show stopping to *them*. Remember, hundreds of people download CFMX daily (we have the numbers that show this) and run it without issue. *of COURSE* those people who run into any type of problem are immediately going to identify that problem as a show stopper and post to the mailing lists and the forums screaming as loud as they can to hopefully either find a solution or get Macromedia to help them for free. I can only stress that those of you reading these lists and the forums take everything you see with a grain of salt. Not everyone is running into these issues, everyone is not throwing CFMX out the window. We have *many* customers running CFMX in production, under load, daily, fine. If you install CFMX, and you run it, and you find an issue, I cannot stress enough that you contact support *immediately* to get that issue addressed ASAP. I will not admit that the ColdFusion team (myself included) shipped Poop. I will not admit to having wasted nearly two years of my life, I know this is *not* the case. I personally believe that the firestorms shown on this list, and the forums, are not the rule, but rather the exception to the rule. Please, try it out *for yourselves* before passing judgment. Sorry for ranting, it bothers me. A lot. Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction into the sum of his knowledge. - Ayn Rand ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Capturing IP Addresses
Did you try CGI.REMOTE_ADDR ? -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Capturing IP Addresses Maybe I'm searching incorrectly, but it seems to be that it should be relatively easy to capture a user's IP address, for example, when they are submitting a form. Can anyone push me in the right direction? Thanks, Russ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
Yes...I didn't change the line that was calling in the cookie. Now I get an error in my application saying that that it can't resolve the parameter SESSION.VariableName Do I have to set it, maybe in my application.cfm to be Nil at first? That, or wrap your check for it: cfif IsDefined(Session.VariableName) cfset VariableName=Session.VariableName cfelse cfset VariableName= /cfif Then use Variables.VariableName for the rest of your page. (Don't forget your locks!) ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
cfset temp=StructClear(Session) -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = Whats the best way to clear ALL session variables when a user logouts or closes IE? On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:25:19 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: Nevermind...I got it to work. Thanks On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:22:42 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:02:24 -0400, Jon Hall wrote: Is your session variable getting updated? If not, there is your problem, if so, then the problem lies in some part of the program that is not using the session variables value, or not using it correctly. If the app works using just cookies, then switching to session variables shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. Yes...I didn't change the line that was calling in the cookie. Now I get an error in my application saying that that it can't resolve the parameter SESSION.VariableName Do I have to set it, maybe in my application.cfm to be Nil at first? I'm not sure how secure your app needs to be, but storing paths like that on the client in a cookie sounds very insecure. If I altered the cookie with the list of paths to include c:\, could I get a listing of that directory? Sounds like to me this variable should definitely be a session or client scoped variable. This is strickly a intranet app. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 7:40:05 AM, you wrote: F HI, F I'm getting a little confused with cfcookies and cfset SESSION.varaible =. My application was using cfcookies and it seemed to work fine. I was reading in a field from my F database which was a comma delimited field of directories on my hard drive. This was then put into a cookie. I have a template that allows the user to add or remove F directories for viewing in their navigation window (tree list). Any changes made from the template would be saved to the database and the cookie would be updated. F The problem I'm experiencing now is I changed all my cfcookie calls to use cfset SESSSION.variable = and when I add/remove a directory and click my refresh button it F won't update my navigation (tree list) frame until I actually close my IE and start it back up again. Then the appropriate directorie(s) don't appear which where added/remove F from my template. F How can I make this update appear by refreshing? Do I *have* to use cookies in my case? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: CF vs ASP
I think you would be better off learning JSP(java server pages) and some j2ee. Why? Because what CFMX does is translate CFML pages into some servlets (correct me if I am wrong) so why learning CF(providing you don't know it already) when you can learn Java(JSP and stuff). As I see it CF is far from beating Java(that's why they choose to use java in their very own CF) Well, I have quite some experience with CF(more than 3 years) and I didn't upgrade to CFMX and I will never do it. Why not ASP? Well because if you do that you are stuck with windows. If that is not a problem go for it :) Marius Burz ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
Re: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
Hi there, Just wanted to add my 2c to this issue - We recently installed a version of cfmx on a completely clean server - the server itself runs fine but the amount of trouble we have had trying to get our previous applications to run under CFMX is mind boggling. I am sure that CFMX is as good as you describe it - of course there will be issues, there always are with new/updated products BUT it is my belief that these products should have backwards compatability, ie sites that run under CF5 should also run under CFMX which is just doesn't seem to be the case at present, I know that unfortunately there will be a lot of redevelopment to make some of our more complex apps run under CFMX. Cheers Simon - Original Message - From: Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) All- Funny, I should stop sleeping. I wanted to take a moment to address something that is bothering me a great deal. Out of the huge thread yesterday, there came a lot of realizations that Macromedia is currently examining internally, misconceptions if you will about the way MM communicates things. Make no mistake, these issues are being discussed, as Sean and Vernon have both mentioned. However, one of the things that bothered me the most was the fact several people basically said: OH NOES! CFMX is poop! I won't buy/run it until all of these horrible bugs are fixed. This is what I refer too as the Myth of Bugs. I think something many people are forgetting is the scenario of a mailing list, or the forums. This is the scenario that discourses the fact that mainly the only people who will post to forums, and mailing lists in a typical day are those who have issues. Now, if I read cf-talk on $RAND day, I could safely assume that CFMX was crippled, a lame-duck to the market. Does this assumption make it true? No. It bothers me to hear people say that they will not even try CFMX out because there are so many show stopping issues. I would beg the argument that this is far, very far, from the truth. Those of you dropping CFMX or completely ignoring it because of the debates/issues raised on CF-Talk and the Forums would be better served if you actually downloaded and ran your application yourself, instead of taking the word of the mailing lists and forums. CFMX, as has been stated before, was the *most* tested version of ColdFusion *ever* put on market, I can't make this clear enough. I would imagine that some of the show stopper issues that are being raised have either been addresses, will be address, or are simply environmental. I would also state that the only people who raise the CFMX is Poop flag are those who have hit a bug, or other issue, which is show stopping to *them*. Remember, hundreds of people download CFMX daily (we have the numbers that show this) and run it without issue. *of COURSE* those people who run into any type of problem are immediately going to identify that problem as a show stopper and post to the mailing lists and the forums screaming as loud as they can to hopefully either find a solution or get Macromedia to help them for free. I can only stress that those of you reading these lists and the forums take everything you see with a grain of salt. Not everyone is running into these issues, everyone is not throwing CFMX out the window. We have *many* customers running CFMX in production, under load, daily, fine. If you install CFMX, and you run it, and you find an issue, I cannot stress enough that you contact support *immediately* to get that issue addressed ASAP. I will not admit that the ColdFusion team (myself included) shipped Poop. I will not admit to having wasted nearly two years of my life, I know this is *not* the case. I personally believe that the firestorms shown on this list, and the forums, are not the rule, but rather the exception to the rule. Please, try it out *for yourselves* before passing judgment. Sorry for ranting, it bothers me. A lot. Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction into the sum of his knowledge. - Ayn Rand ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Problems with CFMX?
Sorry Rob I meant 'if',From your first example I could understand why a
cfoutput in an if statement became 2 methods?
Are you saying every tag call is implemented as a method?
Thanks
Kola
-Original Message-
From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 08 October 2002 22:58
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Problems with CFMX?
are you saying theres a java limit on the size of a method?
Yes.
Also is a method generated for every case in a switch
statement?
No.
That would be nice, but no.
cfswitch expression=#a#
cfcase value=1bla/cfcase
/cfswitch
equals
switch(a){
case 1: write.out(bla);
}
-Original Message-
From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Problems with CFMX?
Rob
Can you confirm 2 things about your post are you saying theres a java
limit
on the
size of a method? Also is a method generated for every case in a switch
statement?
Thanks
-Original Message-
From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 08 October 2002 18:13
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Problems with CFMX?
Yeah, I posted it a while back.
Quick synapses:
Coders write:
cfif 1 eq 1
cfoutputblarg/cfoutput
/cfif
That gets made into:
public void whatever(){
= public void doSomething(){
if(1=1){
out.write(blarg);
}
= }
}
the part between the = can be no greater than 64k. You have no way
to
predetermine what that size will be when you write the page (it
happens at
about 850 though). When a page is too big you get an error like
Code of a method greater then 65535 bytes
-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:02 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Problems with CFMX?
Thanks,
The only flag that goes up for me is the large file issue. Can you
elaborate a bit on that.
Does CFMX hang or run the file slow?
How are you defining ~850 lines?
I guess I never considered 850 lines to be big. Years ago I
would get Mega
HTML forms from the dream weaver guys that were about 1150
before I started.
(I do not miss those days) Most every thing today is 300 - 500 lines
Thanks again
Mark W. Breneman
-Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer
-Network / Web Server Administrator
Vivid Media
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.vividmedia.com
608.270.9770
-Original Message-
From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Problems with CFMX?
Hi Mark,
We have a very large site, and have had a few problems.
Here are some other thing you need to watch for / problems
we had/have:
1. MX can not handle large .cfm files. By large I mean
~850 lines of code
2. You could have some issues if you use fusebox methodology.
3. Jacked up database connections - I believe these are due
to the fact
that MS doesn't have a SQL *7* JDBC Driver. Since you are using
SQL2000 they
have native JDBC drivers so you *might* not have issues.
4. Sloppy code
5. XSL transformations can not have variables passed into them
On the plus side:
MX does XML building really, really cool and in a groovy way
Once complied the feel of MX is quite snappy.
Debugging is rad - especially if you know Java
CFC are cool
in cfscript you can use normal tags!
Cheers,
Rob
-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Problems with CFMX?
I have been watching threads like LONG time CF Supporter -
About ready to
dump CF and CFMX - I've never seen anything so unstable in my
life over
the past few weeks. What has me concerned is this next few
weeks I am going
to upgrade a fairly large site to CFMX. The site currently runs
CF 5 and MS
SQL 2000. Are there a large number of problems with CFMX that I
should know
about? Luckily I have a few weeks to play with the new servers
before they
go live.
Any ETA on a CFMX .1 update? (is one needed)
Thanks
Mark W. Breneman
-Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer
-Network / Web Server Administrator
Vivid Media
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.vividmedia.com
608.270.9770
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RE: CF vs ASP
I'm hard pressed not to move all of my future development to .Net. AS much as I love CF and how well I know it, Being a Windows application developer, I can't not switch to .NET it will allow me to have all of our programmers on 1 platforma dn deploy our applications in whatever enviroment that we see fit Hate to say it but my days on the list are numbered... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP I think you would be better off learning JSP(java server pages) and some j2ee. Why? Because what CFMX does is translate CFML pages into some servlets (correct me if I am wrong) so why learning CF(providing you don't know it already) when you can learn Java(JSP and stuff). As I see it CF is far from beating Java(that's why they choose to use java in their very own CF) Well, I have quite some experience with CF(more than 3 years) and I didn't upgrade to CFMX and I will never do it. Why not ASP? Well because if you do that you are stuck with windows. If that is not a problem go for it :) Marius Burz ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
At 08:48 AM 10/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: CFMX, as has been stated before, was the *most* tested version of ColdFusion *ever* put on market, I can't make this clear enough. I might argue this point. I believe I once heard Ben Forta say ( Or read an e-mail he typed ) that CF5 was built off of CF4.5 . That makes sense and is expected and is not a surprise. But, that would leave me to believe all the beta testing and experimentation and real world use that went into cf4.5 carried over into CF5. And everything in CF3 rolled over into CF4, and CF2 rolled over into CF3, etc.. etc.. Being a new code-base, CFMX has not had that benefit. -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Web Developer? Contact me! AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My CFMX Book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072225564/instantcoldfu-20 My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:00:59 -0400, Everett, Al wrote: Yes...I didn't change the line that was calling in the cookie. Now I get an error in my application saying that that it can't resolve the parameter SESSION.VariableName Do I have to set it, maybe in my application.cfm to be Nil at first? That, or wrap your check for it: cfif IsDefined(Session.VariableName) cfset VariableName=Session.VariableName cfelse cfset VariableName= /cfif Then use Variables.VariableName for the rest of your page. (Don't forget your locks!) I've heard about this but I've never done this before. What do you mean by locks? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
Simon- This is another gripe of mine. The issue is that we tested backwards compatibility extensively, almost exhaustively. What *specific* issues did you run into? Were you running Fusebox? Was your application using improper coding methodologies, what were the *specific* problems? Did you contact technical support? What was the resolution? CFMX is as backwards compatible as we could make it in the time allocated. We took many customer applications in house and ran them with little or *no* modification. You are correct, a new version will never be 100% compatible, but once again, there are hundreds of people who upgraded without issue. You ran into a specific problem that was a show stopper to *you* while many people were unfettered by this. CFMX is backwards compatible, as much as we could make it within reason. Will you need to massage things? Yes, much like upgrading *any other software package on any platform anywhere*. Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction into the sum of his knowledge. - Ayn Rand -Original Message- From: Simon Whittaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) Hi there, Just wanted to add my 2c to this issue - We recently installed a version of cfmx on a completely clean server - the server itself runs fine but the amount of trouble we have had trying to get our previous applications to run under CFMX is mind boggling. I am sure that CFMX is as good as you describe it - of course there will be issues, there always are with new/updated products BUT it is my belief that these products should have backwards compatability, ie sites that run under CF5 should also run under CFMX which is just doesn't seem to be the case at present, I know that unfortunately there will be a lot of redevelopment to make some of our more complex apps run under CFMX. Cheers Simon - Original Message - From: Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) All- Funny, I should stop sleeping. I wanted to take a moment to address something that is bothering me a great deal. Out of the huge thread yesterday, there came a lot of realizations that Macromedia is currently examining internally, misconceptions if you will about the way MM communicates things. Make no mistake, these issues are being discussed, as Sean and Vernon have both mentioned. However, one of the things that bothered me the most was the fact several people basically said: OH NOES! CFMX is poop! I won't buy/run it until all of these horrible bugs are fixed. This is what I refer too as the Myth of Bugs. I think something many people are forgetting is the scenario of a mailing list, or the forums. This is the scenario that discourses the fact that mainly the only people who will post to forums, and mailing lists in a typical day are those who have issues. Now, if I read cf-talk on $RAND day, I could safely assume that CFMX was crippled, a lame-duck to the market. Does this assumption make it true? No. It bothers me to hear people say that they will not even try CFMX out because there are so many show stopping issues. I would beg the argument that this is far, very far, from the truth. Those of you dropping CFMX or completely ignoring it because of the debates/issues raised on CF-Talk and the Forums would be better served if you actually downloaded and ran your application yourself, instead of taking the word of the mailing lists and forums. CFMX, as has been stated before, was the *most* tested version of ColdFusion *ever* put on market, I can't make this clear enough. I would imagine that some of the show stopper issues that are being raised have either been addresses, will be address, or are simply environmental. I would also state that the only people who raise the CFMX is Poop flag are those who have hit a bug, or other issue, which is show stopping to *them*. Remember, hundreds of people download CFMX daily (we have the numbers that show this) and run it without issue. *of COURSE* those people who run into any type of problem are immediately going to identify that problem as a show stopper and post to the mailing lists and the forums screaming as loud as they can to hopefully either find a solution or get Macromedia to help them for free. I can only stress that those of you reading these lists and the forums take everything you see with a grain of salt. Not everyone is running into these issues, everyone is not throwing CFMX out the window. We have *many* customers running CFMX in production, under load, daily, fine.
OT: Ways of Submission
Sorry for the OT post but need a quick answer... Does anyone know any javascript I can use for the onclick caller for a rollover image that will submit a form? I know you use image as a form type but that doesn't allow me to have a roll over... Kind Regards, Mark Stephenson New Media Director Evolution Internet T: 0870 757 1631 F: 0870 757 1632 W: www.evolutioninternet.co.uk E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WARNING: --- The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any other use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this document and attachments without making any copy of any kind. AVIS IMPORTANT: --- Les informations contenues dans le present document et ses pieces jointes sont strictement confidentielles et reservees a l'usage de la (des) personne(s) a qui il est adresse. Si vous n'etes pas le destinataire, soyez avise que toute divulgation, distribution, copie, ou autre utilisation de ces informations est strictement prohibee. Si vous avez recu ce document par erreur, veuillez s'il vous plait communiquer immediatement avec l'expediteur et detruire ce document sans en faire de copie sous quelque forme. -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 October 2002 13:04 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP Being new at this, I am trying to determine why I should learn CF over ASP (or vice versa). http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/competitive/ Tom Chiverton You don't have to be a mad scientist to believe in ColdFusion ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
What if someone just closes IE? On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:01:38 -0400, Everett, Al wrote: cfset temp=StructClear(Session) -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = Whats the best way to clear ALL session variables when a user logouts or closes IE? On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:25:19 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: Nevermind...I got it to work. Thanks On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:22:42 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:02:24 -0400, Jon Hall wrote: Is your session variable getting updated? If not, there is your problem, if so, then the problem lies in some part of the program that is not using the session variables value, or not using it correctly. If the app works using just cookies, then switching to session variables shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. Yes...I didn't change the line that was calling in the cookie. Now I get an error in my application saying that that it can't resolve the parameter SESSION.VariableName Do I have to set it, maybe in my application.cfm to be Nil at first? I'm not sure how secure your app needs to be, but storing paths like that on the client in a cookie sounds very insecure. If I altered the cookie with the list of paths to include c:\, could I get a listing of that directory? Sounds like to me this variable should definitely be a session or client scoped variable. This is strickly a intranet app. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 7:40:05 AM, you wrote: F HI, F I'm getting a little confused with cfcookies and cfset SESSION.varaible =. My application was using cfcookies and it seemed to work fine. I was reading in a field from my F database which was a comma delimited field of directories on my hard drive. This was then put into a cookie. I have a template that allows the user to add or remove F directories for viewing in their navigation window (tree list). Any changes made from the template would be saved to the database and the cookie would be updated. F The problem I'm experiencing now is I changed all my cfcookie calls to use cfset SESSSION.variable = and when I add/remove a directory and click my refresh button it F won't update my navigation (tree list) frame until I actually close my IE and start it back up again. Then the appropriate directorie(s) don't appear which where added/remove F from my template. F How can I make this update appear by refreshing? Do I *have* to use cookies in my case? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
I might argue this point. I believe I once heard Ben Forta say ( Or read an e-mail he typed ) that CF5 was built off of CF4.5 . That makes sense and is expected and is not a surprise. But, that would leave me to believe all the beta testing and experimentation and real world use that went into cf4.5 carried over into CF5. And everything in CF3 rolled over into CF4, and CF2 rolled over into CF3, etc.. etc.. Being a new code-base, CFMX has not had that benefit. While it is true one can assume that the testing in CF 4.5 rolled into CF5, that is both true, and false to a degree. While one can make assumptions about functionality when utilizing the same code base, when you rewrite the entire thing, you *do* loose previous testing, however... We had a *huge* team working on CFMX, we ran hundreds of thousands of hours of regression. Thousands of regression tests, many customer application, we ran it under load for WEEKS. This is what I mean when I say most tested. CFMX spent more time under the microscope than any other .rev of ColdFusion ever. -jesse ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
Jesse, Whilst I agree with your general point that there's possibly a misintepretation of doom and gloom for CFMX within the recent threads, I'd like to also point out that from what I can see, the developers highlighting the problems are actually seeking help from Macromedia in order to continue using CFMX - NOT in order to give up on it altogether. I have in fact advised a few people either within the Long time CF supporter thread and also outside of it during the last couple of days, to go ahead and try CFMX for themselves, despite having some very obvious problems myself - which, I am still working on solving at the moment after 3 days - I believe I'm starting to see where the major problems lie now. Basically, there's a problem with the JDBC driver (thats pretty obvious). Whilst there is also a problem with installing CFMX on a Server which had a previous version of CF on it before, despite removing old registry keys and directories. I believe Vernon has already picked up on these issues and is going to try and raise them internally with MM. I don't have a problem with MM. They're doing grand as far as I can see, considering their size. Maybe I'm just used to large corporate bureaucracy at this stage, with much much larger and slower entities (oil and automotive companies). Maybe too, I have come to take the cf-talk list for granted as an effective channel for solving issues with CF - over the years. I've seen issues raised on the list being actively tackled head on by both MM and Allaire in the past. Yes developers are looking for what is effectively free support - but it's support at a cost to the developer in terms of time etc - e.g. I've lost almost 3 days in my current situation, but at least I'm proactively ruling out things and feeding back my findings to the people who may need that info i.e. MM or the CF Community. Just my 2c. Dave -Original Message- From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 October 2002 13:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) All- Funny, I should stop sleeping. I wanted to take a moment to address something that is bothering me a great deal. Out of the huge thread yesterday, there came a lot of realizations that Macromedia is currently examining internally, misconceptions if you will about the way MM communicates things. Make no mistake, these issues are being discussed, as Sean and Vernon have both mentioned. However, one of the things that bothered me the most was the fact several people basically said: OH NOES! CFMX is poop! I won't buy/run it until all of these horrible bugs are fixed. This is what I refer too as the Myth of Bugs. I think something many people are forgetting is the scenario of a mailing list, or the forums. This is the scenario that discourses the fact that mainly the only people who will post to forums, and mailing lists in a typical day are those who have issues. Now, if I read cf-talk on $RAND day, I could safely assume that CFMX was crippled, a lame-duck to the market. Does this assumption make it true? No. It bothers me to hear people say that they will not even try CFMX out because there are so many show stopping issues. I would beg the argument that this is far, very far, from the truth. Those of you dropping CFMX or completely ignoring it because of the debates/issues raised on CF-Talk and the Forums would be better served if you actually downloaded and ran your application yourself, instead of taking the word of the mailing lists and forums. CFMX, as has been stated before, was the *most* tested version of ColdFusion *ever* put on market, I can't make this clear enough. I would imagine that some of the show stopper issues that are being raised have either been addresses, will be address, or are simply environmental. I would also state that the only people who raise the CFMX is Poop flag are those who have hit a bug, or other issue, which is show stopping to *them*. Remember, hundreds of people download CFMX daily (we have the numbers that show this) and run it without issue. *of COURSE* those people who run into any type of problem are immediately going to identify that problem as a show stopper and post to the mailing lists and the forums screaming as loud as they can to hopefully either find a solution or get Macromedia to help them for free. I can only stress that those of you reading these lists and the forums take everything you see with a grain of salt. Not everyone is running into these issues, everyone is not throwing CFMX out the window. We have *many* customers running CFMX in production, under load, daily, fine. If you install CFMX, and you run it, and you find an issue, I cannot stress enough that you contact support *immediately* to get that issue addressed ASAP. I will not admit that the ColdFusion team (myself included) shipped Poop. I will not
Re: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
Quoting Simon Whittaker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just wanted to add my 2c to this issue - We recently installed a version of cfmx on a completely clean server - the server itself runs fine but the amount of trouble we have had trying to get our previous applications to run under CFMX is mind boggling. What issues *exactly*? Which of those were not documented? I am sure that CFMX is as good as you describe it - of course there will be issues, there always are with new/updated products BUT it is my belief that these products should have backwards compatability, ie sites that run under CF5 should also run under CFMX which is just doesn't seem to be the case at present, I know that unfortunately there will be a lot of redevelopment to make some of our more complex apps run under CFMX. I wouldn't necessarily agree with you here. Environment changes are something that might force changes in an application, to the extend that your only option is to either accept the changes or don't change the environment. For instance, I think the ODBC spec lets you issue multiple prepared statements at once, which the JDBC spec appears to forbid. In that case, I vote for dropping this feature, which was never explicitly supported anyway, instead of not moving to a Java based architecture. All changes have to be documented, but incomplete backward compatibility is not a reason to just keep everything the same. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
Courtesy of Hal Helms, put this in your Application.cfm: CFIF IsDefined( Cookie.CFID ) AND IsDefined( Cookie.CFTOKEN ) cfset localCFID = Cookie.CFID cfset localCFTOKEN = Cookie.CFTOKEN cfcookie name=CFID value=#localCFID# cfcookie name=CFTOKEN value=#localCFTOKEN# /CFIF -- Jillian -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = What if someone just closes IE? On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:01:38 -0400, Everett, Al wrote: cfset temp=StructClear(Session) -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = Whats the best way to clear ALL session variables when a user logouts or closes IE? On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:25:19 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: Nevermind...I got it to work. Thanks On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:22:42 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:02:24 -0400, Jon Hall wrote: Is your session variable getting updated? If not, there is your problem, if so, then the problem lies in some part of the program that is not using the session variables value, or not using it correctly. If the app works using just cookies, then switching to session variables shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. Yes...I didn't change the line that was calling in the cookie. Now I get an error in my application saying that that it can't resolve the parameter SESSION.VariableName Do I have to set it, maybe in my application.cfm to be Nil at first? I'm not sure how secure your app needs to be, but storing paths like that on the client in a cookie sounds very insecure. If I altered the cookie with the list of paths to include c:\, could I get a listing of that directory? Sounds like to me this variable should definitely be a session or client scoped variable. This is strickly a intranet app. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 7:40:05 AM, you wrote: F HI, F I'm getting a little confused with cfcookies and cfset SESSION.varaible =. My application was using cfcookies and it seemed to work fine. I was reading in a field from my F database which was a comma delimited field of directories on my hard drive. This was then put into a cookie. I have a template that allows the user to add or remove F directories for viewing in their navigation window (tree list). Any changes made from the template would be saved to the database and the cookie would be updated. F The problem I'm experiencing now is I changed all my cfcookie calls to use cfset SESSSION.variable = and when I add/remove a directory and click my refresh button it F won't update my navigation (tree list) frame until I actually close my IE and start it back up again. Then the appropriate directorie(s) don't appear which where added/remove F from my template. F How can I make this update appear by refreshing? Do I *have* to use cookies in my case? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
I've heard about this but I've never done this before. What do you mean by locks? In CF5 or lower, to prevent server instability, you need to lock all shared-scope variables, i.e., SERVER, APPLICATION, and SESSION. In all versions of CF, if there is a possible race condition, you need to lock your shared-scope variables. Some TechNotes you should read: ColdFusion MX Best Practices for Locking Shared Scope Variables: http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=23021Method=Full ColdFusion 5 Locking Best Practices: http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=20370Method=Full ColdFusion TechTips: http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=13810Method=Full ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Ways of Submission
onclick=form.submit() -Original Message- From: Mark Stephenson - Evolution Internet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 October 2002 13:40 To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Ways of Submission Sorry for the OT post but need a quick answer... Does anyone know any javascript I can use for the onclick caller for a rollover image that will submit a form? I know you use image as a form type but that doesn't allow me to have a roll over... Kind Regards, Mark Stephenson New Media Director Evolution Internet T: 0870 757 1631 F: 0870 757 1632 W: www.evolutioninternet.co.uk E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WARNING: --- The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any other use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this document and attachments without making any copy of any kind. AVIS IMPORTANT: --- Les informations contenues dans le present document et ses pieces jointes sont strictement confidentielles et reservees a l'usage de la (des) personne(s) a qui il est adresse. Si vous n'etes pas le destinataire, soyez avise que toute divulgation, distribution, copie, ou autre utilisation de ces informations est strictement prohibee. Si vous avez recu ce document par erreur, veuillez s'il vous plait communiquer immediatement avec l'expediteur et detruire ce document sans en faire de copie sous quelque forme. -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 October 2002 13:04 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP Being new at this, I am trying to determine why I should learn CF over ASP (or vice versa). http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/competitive/ Tom Chiverton You don't have to be a mad scientist to believe in ColdFusion ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
Not necessarily. The Session variables are tied to the CFID and CFTOKEN, which are Cookies on the client's machine. If the user comes back to your site before the Session variables expire they'll still exist. There are ways to get the CFID and CFTOKEN cookies to be deleted when the browser is closed. Check the archives. -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = What if someone just closes IE? On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:01:38 -0400, Everett, Al wrote: cfset temp=StructClear(Session) -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = Whats the best way to clear ALL session variables when a user logouts or closes IE? On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:25:19 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: Nevermind...I got it to work. Thanks On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:22:42 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:02:24 -0400, Jon Hall wrote: Is your session variable getting updated? If not, there is your problem, if so, then the problem lies in some part of the program that is not using the session variables value, or not using it correctly. If the app works using just cookies, then switching to session variables shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. Yes...I didn't change the line that was calling in the cookie. Now I get an error in my application saying that that it can't resolve the parameter SESSION.VariableName Do I have to set it, maybe in my application.cfm to be Nil at first? I'm not sure how secure your app needs to be, but storing paths like that on the client in a cookie sounds very insecure. If I altered the cookie with the list of paths to include c:\, could I get a listing of that directory? Sounds like to me this variable should definitely be a session or client scoped variable. This is strickly a intranet app. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 7:40:05 AM, you wrote: F HI, F I'm getting a little confused with cfcookies and cfset SESSION.varaible =. My application was using cfcookies and it seemed to work fine. I was reading in a field from my F database which was a comma delimited field of directories on my hard drive. This was then put into a cookie. I have a template that allows the user to add or remove F directories for viewing in their navigation window (tree list). Any changes made from the template would be saved to the database and the cookie would be updated. F The problem I'm experiencing now is I changed all my cfcookie calls to use cfset SESSSION.variable = and when I add/remove a directory and click my refresh button it F won't update my navigation (tree list) frame until I actually close my IE and start it back up again. Then the appropriate directorie(s) don't appear which where added/remove F from my template. F How can I make this update appear by refreshing? Do I *have* to use cookies in my case? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: QUestion about Input File and CFFILE
this worked great! Thanks a million!
Brian Yager
President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group
http://www.nacfug.com
Sr. Systems Analyst
Sverdrup/CIC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message-
From: Robert Polickoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:15 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: QUestion about Input File and CFFILE
Brian,
Here is the code I am using:
script language=JavaScript
function parseFileName(theFile)
{
var start = -1;
while (theFile.value.indexOf(\\, start + 1) != -1)
{
start = theFile.value.indexOf(\\, start + 1);
}
FileUpload.action = FileUpload.action +
theFile.value.substring(start+1, theFile.value.length);
}
/script
/head
body
form id=FileUpload name=FileUpload title=Form to upload a file from the
user to the server action=FileUpload.cfm?FileName= method=post
enctype=multipart/form-data onsubmit=validateForm(this)
label id=UploadFileLabel title=Lebel for UploadFile Input
for=UploadFile
Select your file
/label
input id=UploadFile name=UploadFile title=File to be uploaded
type=file onchange=parseFileName(this)
br
button id=UploadButton name=UploadButton title=Button to start the
Upload type=submit
Upload
/button
/form
Then in fileupload.cfm I have:
cfset uploadPath = Left(PATH_TRANSLATED, Find(FileUpload.cfm,
PATH_TRANSLATED)-1) UploadFiles\
cffile action=upload destination=#uploadPath# filefield=UploadFile
nameconflict=makeunique attributes=readonly
It is working for me. I hope this helps.
Take care,
Robert
-- Original Message --
From: Yager, Brian T Contractor/Sverdrup [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:11:09 -0500
I am trying to upload a file using CFFILE. I can get it to wrok just fine.
But
what I can't do is get the name of the file BEFORE I use CFFILE. When I try to
output the name of the file input box, I get some weird name with an extension
of .tmp. Can anyone help me with what I need please?
Thanks,
Brian Yager
President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group
http://www.nacfug.com
Sr. Systems Analyst
Sverdrup/CIC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(256) 842-8342
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RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
At 09:10 AM 10/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: Simon- This is another gripe of mine. The issue is that we tested backwards compatibility extensively, almost exhaustively. What *specific* issues did you run into? Were you running Fusebox? : chuckle: I found this funny. Asking Simon if he uses Fusebox, is like asking Hal Helms if he uses cfobjects. Back to your regularly scheduled list posting now. -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Web Developer? Contact me! AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My CFMX Book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072225564/instantcoldfu-20 My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: QUestion about Input File and CFFILE
Brian: Is there a particular reason why you have to change the filename before you use CFFILE for upload? Because you can always follow your CFFILE ACTION=Upload with a CFFILE ACTION=Rename if necessary. -- Mosh Teitelbaum evoch, LLC Tel: (301) 625-9191 Fax: (301) 933-3651 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Yager, Brian T Contractor/Sverdrup [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: QUestion about Input File and CFFILE you can only use that AFTER you have used CFFILE. I need the name of the file BEFORE I use CFFILE so I can get the extension and change the file name. Brian Yager President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group http://www.nacfug.com Sr. Systems Analyst Sverdrup/CIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (256) 842-8342 -Original Message- From: Jeff Garza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: QUestion about Input File and CFFILE What does #CFFILE.ClientFile# return? Jeff - Original Message - From: Yager, Brian T Contractor/Sverdrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:11 PM Subject: QUestion about Input File and CFFILE I am trying to upload a file using CFFILE. I can get it to wrok just fine. But what I can't do is get the name of the file BEFORE I use CFFILE. When I try to output the name of the file input box, I get some weird name with an extension of .tmp. Can anyone help me with what I need please? Thanks, Brian Yager President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group http://www.nacfug.com Sr. Systems Analyst Sverdrup/CIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (256) 842-8342 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Ways of Submission
Doh! Thanks Mark Stephenson New Media Director Evolution Internet T: 0870 757 1631 F: 0870 757 1632 W: www.evolutioninternet.co.uk E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WARNING: --- The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any other use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this document and attachments without making any copy of any kind. AVIS IMPORTANT: --- Les informations contenues dans le present document et ses pieces jointes sont strictement confidentielles et reservees a l'usage de la (des) personne(s) a qui il est adresse. Si vous n'etes pas le destinataire, soyez avise que toute divulgation, distribution, copie, ou autre utilisation de ces informations est strictement prohibee. Si vous avez recu ce document par erreur, veuillez s'il vous plait communiquer immediatement avec l'expediteur et detruire ce document sans en faire de copie sous quelque forme. -Original Message- From: Dave Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 October 2002 14:19 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ways of Submission onclick=form.submit() -Original Message- From: Mark Stephenson - Evolution Internet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 October 2002 13:40 To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Ways of Submission Sorry for the OT post but need a quick answer... Does anyone know any javascript I can use for the onclick caller for a rollover image that will submit a form? I know you use image as a form type but that doesn't allow me to have a roll over... Kind Regards, Mark Stephenson New Media Director Evolution Internet T: 0870 757 1631 F: 0870 757 1632 W: www.evolutioninternet.co.uk E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WARNING: --- The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any other use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this document and attachments without making any copy of any kind. AVIS IMPORTANT: --- Les informations contenues dans le present document et ses pieces jointes sont strictement confidentielles et reservees a l'usage de la (des) personne(s) a qui il est adresse. Si vous n'etes pas le destinataire, soyez avise que toute divulgation, distribution, copie, ou autre utilisation de ces informations est strictement prohibee. Si vous avez recu ce document par erreur, veuillez s'il vous plait communiquer immediatement avec l'expediteur et detruire ce document sans en faire de copie sous quelque forme. -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 October 2002 13:04 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP Being new at this, I am trying to determine why I should learn CF over ASP (or vice versa). http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/competitive/ Tom Chiverton You don't have to be a mad scientist to believe in ColdFusion ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Ways of Submission
Mark: The code would look something like: onClick=document.FormName.submit(); Just change FormName to whatever you've named your form. -- Mosh Teitelbaum evoch, LLC Tel: (301) 625-9191 Fax: (301) 933-3651 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Mark Stephenson - Evolution Internet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Ways of Submission Sorry for the OT post but need a quick answer... Does anyone know any javascript I can use for the onclick caller for a rollover image that will submit a form? I know you use image as a form type but that doesn't allow me to have a roll over... Kind Regards, Mark Stephenson New Media Director Evolution Internet T: 0870 757 1631 F: 0870 757 1632 W: www.evolutioninternet.co.uk E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WARNING: --- The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any other use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this document and attachments without making any copy of any kind. AVIS IMPORTANT: --- Les informations contenues dans le present document et ses pieces jointes sont strictement confidentielles et reservees a l'usage de la (des) personne(s) a qui il est adresse. Si vous n'etes pas le destinataire, soyez avise que toute divulgation, distribution, copie, ou autre utilisation de ces informations est strictement prohibee. Si vous avez recu ce document par erreur, veuillez s'il vous plait communiquer immediatement avec l'expediteur et detruire ce document sans en faire de copie sous quelque forme. -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 October 2002 13:04 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP Being new at this, I am trying to determine why I should learn CF over ASP (or vice versa). http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/competitive/ Tom Chiverton You don't have to be a mad scientist to believe in ColdFusion ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:23:17 -0400, Everett, Al wrote: Not necessarily. The Session variables are tied to the CFID and CFTOKEN, which are Cookies on the client's machine. If the user comes back to your site before the Session variables expire they'll still exist. So the only way to have these cleared (at logout or when IE is closed) would be to use cookies rather than session variables? There are ways to get the CFID and CFTOKEN cookies to be deleted when the browser is closed. Check the archives. -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = What if someone just closes IE? On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:01:38 -0400, Everett, Al wrote: cfset temp=StructClear(Session) -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = Whats the best way to clear ALL session variables when a user logouts or closes IE? On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:25:19 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: Nevermind...I got it to work. Thanks On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:22:42 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:02:24 -0400, Jon Hall wrote: Is your session variable getting updated? If not, there is your problem, if so, then the problem lies in some part of the program that is not using the session variables value, or not using it correctly. If the app works using just cookies, then switching to session variables shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. Yes...I didn't change the line that was calling in the cookie. Now I get an error in my application saying that that it can't resolve the parameter SESSION.VariableName Do I have to set it, maybe in my application.cfm to be Nil at first? I'm not sure how secure your app needs to be, but storing paths like that on the client in a cookie sounds very insecure. If I altered the cookie with the list of paths to include c:\, could I get a listing of that directory? Sounds like to me this variable should definitely be a session or client scoped variable. This is strickly a intranet app. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 7:40:05 AM, you wrote: F HI, F I'm getting a little confused with cfcookies and cfset SESSION.varaible =. My application was using cfcookies and it seemed to work fine. I was reading in a field from my F database which was a comma delimited field of directories on my hard drive. This was then put into a cookie. I have a template that allows the user to add or remove F directories for viewing in their navigation window (tree list). Any changes made from the template would be saved to the database and the cookie would be updated. F The problem I'm experiencing now is I changed all my cfcookie calls to use cfset SESSSION.variable = and when I add/remove a directory and click my refresh button it F won't update my navigation (tree list) frame until I actually close my IE and start it back up again. Then the appropriate directorie(s) don't appear which where added/remove F from my template. F How can I make this update appear by refreshing? Do I *have* to use cookies in my case? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
Well said Jesse. The funny thing is that most of the people complaining during those threads have problems with JDBC, which is not directly related to MM/CFMX (but more to third party JDBC drivers or M$ implementation)... SQL Server 7 is getting very old right now (and it's a M$ product), so I would not be surprised if it has some problems with JDBC. CFMX is a GREAT product and works extremely well (for a V1.0!). Of course, there is some minor pure CF issues but all of them have easy workarounds. I will NEVER go back to CF5. CFCs and Flash Remoting have an incredible potential and offer so many great new possibilities. People also have to think about what they can do now... (which was impossible with CF5-) Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mercredi 9 octobre 2002 14:48 À : CF-Talk Objet : The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) All- Funny, I should stop sleeping. I wanted to take a moment to address something that is bothering me a great deal. Out of the huge thread yesterday, there came a lot of realizations that Macromedia is currently examining internally, misconceptions if you will about the way MM communicates things. Make no mistake, these issues are being discussed, as Sean and Vernon have both mentioned. However, one of the things that bothered me the most was the fact several people basically said: OH NOES! CFMX is poop! I won't buy/run it until all of these horrible bugs are fixed. This is what I refer too as the Myth of Bugs. I think something many people are forgetting is the scenario of a mailing list, or the forums. This is the scenario that discourses the fact that mainly the only people who will post to forums, and mailing lists in a typical day are those who have issues. Now, if I read cf-talk on $RAND day, I could safely assume that CFMX was crippled, a lame-duck to the market. Does this assumption make it true? No. It bothers me to hear people say that they will not even try CFMX out because there are so many show stopping issues. I would beg the argument that this is far, very far, from the truth. Those of you dropping CFMX or completely ignoring it because of the debates/issues raised on CF-Talk and the Forums would be better served if you actually downloaded and ran your application yourself, instead of taking the word of the mailing lists and forums. CFMX, as has been stated before, was the *most* tested version of ColdFusion *ever* put on market, I can't make this clear enough. I would imagine that some of the show stopper issues that are being raised have either been addresses, will be address, or are simply environmental. I would also state that the only people who raise the CFMX is Poop flag are those who have hit a bug, or other issue, which is show stopping to *them*. Remember, hundreds of people download CFMX daily (we have the numbers that show this) and run it without issue. *of COURSE* those people who run into any type of problem are immediately going to identify that problem as a show stopper and post to the mailing lists and the forums screaming as loud as they can to hopefully either find a solution or get Macromedia to help them for free. I can only stress that those of you reading these lists and the forums take everything you see with a grain of salt. Not everyone is running into these issues, everyone is not throwing CFMX out the window. We have *many* customers running CFMX in production, under load, daily, fine. If you install CFMX, and you run it, and you find an issue, I cannot stress enough that you contact support *immediately* to get that issue addressed ASAP. I will not admit that the ColdFusion team (myself included) shipped Poop. I will not admit to having wasted nearly two years of my life, I know this is *not* the case. I personally believe that the firestorms shown on this list, and the forums, are not the rule, but rather the exception to the rule. Please, try it out *for yourselves* before passing judgment. Sorry for ranting, it bothers me. A lot. Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction into the sum of his knowledge. - Ayn Rand ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
OK...thanks. I noticed from the examples that they use cflock around only one cfset. Can you group cfset's? cflock... cfset SESSION.var1 = something1 cfset SESSION.var2 = something2 cfset SESSION.var3 = something3 /cflock On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:19:59 -0400, Everett, Al wrote: I've heard about this but I've never done this before. What do you mean by locks? In CF5 or lower, to prevent server instability, you need to lock all shared-scope variables, i.e., SERVER, APPLICATION, and SESSION. In all versions of CF, if there is a possible race condition, you need to lock your shared-scope variables. Some TechNotes you should read: ColdFusion MX Best Practices for Locking Shared Scope Variables: http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=23021Method=Full ColdFusion 5 Locking Best Practices: http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=20370Method=Full ColdFusion TechTips: http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=13810Method=Full ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
I have multiple application.cfm's Would this code go in all or just the logout.cfm template? On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:17:45 -0600, Jillian Carroll wrote: Courtesy of Hal Helms, put this in your Application.cfm: CFIF IsDefined( Cookie.CFID ) AND IsDefined( Cookie.CFTOKEN ) cfset localCFID = Cookie.CFID cfset localCFTOKEN = Cookie.CFTOKEN cfcookie name=CFID value=#localCFID# cfcookie name=CFTOKEN value=#localCFTOKEN# /CFIF -- Jillian -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = What if someone just closes IE? On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:01:38 -0400, Everett, Al wrote: cfset temp=StructClear(Session) -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = Whats the best way to clear ALL session variables when a user logouts or closes IE? On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:25:19 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: Nevermind...I got it to work. Thanks On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:22:42 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:02:24 -0400, Jon Hall wrote: Is your session variable getting updated? If not, there is your problem, if so, then the problem lies in some part of the program that is not using the session variables value, or not using it correctly. If the app works using just cookies, then switching to session variables shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. Yes...I didn't change the line that was calling in the cookie. Now I get an error in my application saying that that it can't resolve the parameter SESSION.VariableName Do I have to set it, maybe in my application.cfm to be Nil at first? I'm not sure how secure your app needs to be, but storing paths like that on the client in a cookie sounds very insecure. If I altered the cookie with the list of paths to include c:\, could I get a listing of that directory? Sounds like to me this variable should definitely be a session or client scoped variable. This is strickly a intranet app. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 7:40:05 AM, you wrote: F HI, F I'm getting a little confused with cfcookies and cfset SESSION.varaible =. My application was using cfcookies and it seemed to work fine. I was reading in a field from my F database which was a comma delimited field of directories on my hard drive. This was then put into a cookie. I have a template that allows the user to add or remove F directories for viewing in their navigation window (tree list). Any changes made from the template would be saved to the database and the cookie would be updated. F The problem I'm experiencing now is I changed all my cfcookie calls to use cfset SESSSION.variable = and when I add/remove a directory and click my refresh button it F won't update my navigation (tree list) frame until I actually close my IE and start it back up again. Then the appropriate directorie(s) don't appear which where added/remove F from my template. F How can I make this update appear by refreshing? Do I *have* to use cookies in my case? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: CF vs ASP
Well, Kim... Keep in mind that you can still be a .NET guru and live in harmony with CF!!! I, too, am a Windows App Developer, and have been using .NET for about 2 years now (only 5 months in a production environment). I use CFMX in conjunction with .NET with great success. I still use CF for internet/intranet development (because of it's ease of use and development), Asp.NET for heavy heavy intranet apps, and C# for custom ASP.NET controls and for regular application development. I also make use of .NET Remoting and some COM wrapping (with C#) as well, and am looking in Windows CE.NET development as well. With the 2 together (plus Flash for some PocketPC development), I couldn't be happier (or more productive) than I am right now :-) - Gary Sullivan -Original Message- From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:07 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP I'm hard pressed not to move all of my future development to .Net. AS much as I love CF and how well I know it, Being a Windows application developer, I can't not switch to .NET it will allow me to have all of our programmers on 1 platforma dn deploy our applications in whatever enviroment that we see fit Hate to say it but my days on the list are numbered... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP I think you would be better off learning JSP(java server pages) and some j2ee. Why? Because what CFMX does is translate CFML pages into some servlets (correct me if I am wrong) so why learning CF(providing you don't know it already) when you can learn Java(JSP and stuff). As I see it CF is far from beating Java(that's why they choose to use java in their very own CF) Well, I have quite some experience with CF(more than 3 years) and I didn't upgrade to CFMX and I will never do it. Why not ASP? Well because if you do that you are stuck with windows. If that is not a problem go for it :) Marius Burz ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
Re: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 8:48:24 AM, you wrote: JN All- JN Funny, I should stop sleeping. I wanted to take a moment to address something that is bothering me a great deal. Hey, don't forget, people are passionate about CF, and that's a good thing. Every CF developer has had to basically start from scratch...way back in the pre-MX era we could all count on a dozen people knowing the answer to an odd CF problem. Now, no one really knows all the answers yet, and there is naturally going to be a lot more unresolved quesions than their used to be until we all figure out the answers to the new questions. We will get there. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Can we help? (was RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
Well MM should have already done this... and documented rules of new coding in RED rather than have developers waste time fighting issues. Hopefully we will see some better standards from MM. Joe, They did. There's an entire book in the CFMX documentation set devoted to upgrading, and pointing out the differences between CF5 and CFMX functions, tags, and syntax. Granted, it might not include things that came up after release, but I'm not sure we can fault them for not being able to see into the future. They also included a code compatibility analyzer with CFMX so that you can pre-run your code to see if there are any huge red flags. Again, it may not catch 100% of issues because some have come out since launch, but I do think they tried hard to give us the tools, they are just misunderstood or not used at all. I can't help but point out that this is more evidence of a communication problem at MM. While it's not the job of MM to slap a big RTFM on the front of every install, but it would be nice to see a PR campaign launched showing how easy it is to upgrade and how stable the platform is. An upgrade center at MM.com wouldn't be totally uncalled for either. Grouping KB articles, the upgrade guide, etc all in one place for people to refer to when they are upgrading. Maybe this exists and I haven't been thorough in my search, but all I came up with at MM.com was marketing drivel (required to sell product, but not helpful to the audience on this list). What if everyone on this list suggested a *constructive* solution with every complaint in this thread? Think that could happen? -Cameron - Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc. --- cell: 678-637-5072 aim: cameroncf email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Can we help? (was RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) I personally think.. alot of the problems are due to making CFMX very backward compatible with older versions of CF. Why did MM claim CFMX backward compatible? Why not .NET Strategy? Again i think its the responsibility of developers to test their code on a totally different product(CFMX)..Load Test..etc. before going into production. Well MM should have already done this... and documented rules of new coding in RED rather than have developers waste time fighting issues. Hopefully we will see some better standards from MM. Joe ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
TagCFMail::sendMessage
Hi, We have several apps that use CFMail, normally without any problems. Now suddenly we're getting the following error messages: unknown exception condition TagCFMail::sendMessage The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CFMAIL) When I look in the mail spool folders I find several 0 length files. I have not seen this before, any suggestions would help. thanks, larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Can we help? (was RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready t o dump CF!)
Cameron suggested: An upgrade center at MM.com wouldn't be totally uncalled for either. Grouping KB articles, the upgrade guide, etc all in one place for people to refer to when they are upgrading. I can't promise anything but to put the idea forward (which I just did before writing this reply), but I like the idea alot. Thanks Cameron! -Vern Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Push and CFFILE Question
Haven't done this before, looking for some pointers... A. Page has a button on it to Create File from a database query (got no problem with this part) B. When pressed, the file is created and pushed at the user, whom would immediately get a prompt to Save or Open the file. Possible? The client wants one simple step to do this and would prefer to *not* have to browse/select the file after creation or click anything to download. (Lazy, I know.) Thanks, Les * Happily using CFMX with little or no problems... * ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Push and CFFILE Question
Les Write the file and then deliver it using CFCONTENT HTH Alistair -Original Message- From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 October 2002 16:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: Push and CFFILE Question Haven't done this before, looking for some pointers... A. Page has a button on it to Create File from a database query (got no problem with this part) B. When pressed, the file is created and pushed at the user, whom would immediately get a prompt to Save or Open the file. Possible? The client wants one simple step to do this and would prefer to *not* have to browse/select the file after creation or click anything to download. (Lazy, I know.) Thanks, Les * Happily using CFMX with little or no problems... * ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: CF vs ASP
Good point. -Original Message- From: Gary W. Sullivan II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP Well, Kim... Keep in mind that you can still be a .NET guru and live in harmony with CF!!! I, too, am a Windows App Developer, and have been using .NET for about 2 years now (only 5 months in a production environment). I use CFMX in conjunction with .NET with great success. I still use CF for internet/intranet development (because of it's ease of use and development), Asp.NET for heavy heavy intranet apps, and C# for custom ASP.NET controls and for regular application development. I also make use of .NET Remoting and some COM wrapping (with C#) as well, and am looking in Windows CE.NET development as well. With the 2 together (plus Flash for some PocketPC development), I couldn't be happier (or more productive) than I am right now :-) - Gary Sullivan -Original Message- From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:07 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP I'm hard pressed not to move all of my future development to .Net. AS much as I love CF and how well I know it, Being a Windows application developer, I can't not switch to .NET it will allow me to have all of our programmers on 1 platforma dn deploy our applications in whatever enviroment that we see fit Hate to say it but my days on the list are numbered... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs ASP I think you would be better off learning JSP(java server pages) and some j2ee. Why? Because what CFMX does is translate CFML pages into some servlets (correct me if I am wrong) so why learning CF(providing you don't know it already) when you can learn Java(JSP and stuff). As I see it CF is far from beating Java(that's why they choose to use java in their very own CF) Well, I have quite some experience with CF(more than 3 years) and I didn't upgrade to CFMX and I will never do it. Why not ASP? Well because if you do that you are stuck with windows. If that is not a problem go for it :) Marius Burz ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Vernon, You're one hell of a class act! Someone who cares enough to actually speak to someone and not go to automated phone support. I applaud you! It's nice to see that some people care about us lil guys! Thanks, T -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Lee, I appreciate your need TODAY, and I sympathize with your plight. However, there are a couple of things to keep in mind...This problem didn't just crop up today, and from the sound of it, it doesn't sound like it can be solved today. I strongly urge you to contact support, possibly become a Gold Support customer. That program was designed for this kind of urgent service. If I've read this thread correctly, you've said you don't want to call support because you're afraid you'll be charged unfairly for something that is a CFMX bug, yet I've not seen anyone on this list say that they have been charged in such a situation, but they have reiterated just the opposite. I'll repeat my earlier reassurance, if anyone, including you, are charged for a support incident, and you don't think the charge is fair, I will thoroughly look into it. Trust me, I'm not unsympathetic, but unfortunately, this list is not an official, one-to-one support venue. It's not where one turns for direct, urgent one-to-one contact. I strongly urge you to work with our support department instead of relying upon community lists/forums for urgent situations where you need direct assistance from Macromedia. The kind of simple information you seek simply isn't simple - but we are always in an ongoing effort to get this information to our customers, and will continue to do so. If you'd like to speak with me personally, e-mail me your contact info off-list, and I'll give you a call. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Vernon, I completely understand. However, looking at it from my vantage point (and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone here on this mountain top - or at the bottom of this pit.. depending upon your viewpoint), I have a problem TODAY. One that is causing me serious trouble TODAY. I know that things like this take time, and I truly believe that this is not an MM thing. That's not my view of it at all. My view is simple (and I won't repeat it and bore everyone to death). Reality is that I need a solution TODAY. Sometime to keep my people from throwing the baby out with the bath water. Maybe it would help for MM to post a simple, clean and concise, page-by-page setting list of how you (MM) suggest we setup our servers (using gulp IIS5, of course) to make sure that CFMX works properly. Specifically -- - Page-by-page settings with the Administrator - Specific IIS changes/additions/amendments - Specific changes to CFMX setup files (similar to the XML file changes for multi-homing) - Some traps and tricks (simply put) I know that you have the best practices and performance tuning white papers. However, a checklist would be far more helpful -- so that people like me that are experiencing a problem can turn to this checklist (knowing that it's not a cure-all) to make certain we have things set to MM's recommendations. Thoughts? | -Original Message- | From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:44 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! | | | Lee, Cameron, I'm mulling over thoughtful responses to your | thoughtful posts... | | But I couldn't resist a quick reply here: | | Macromedia's merger with Allaire was very expensive, and as | is the case with any merger, it's not been totally without | merger pains, which has been felt internally by most every employee. | | Please don't mistake the challenges presented from a merger | and also the challenges of a ground-up rewrite as lack of | full backing from Macromedia. I can assure you, we didn't go | through the expense and pains of such a challenging merger, | just to back-burner CF. CF is an extremely important part of | Macromedia's product line. | | There are folks running CFMX quite successfully - that's not | to say that there's no work to be done, but it's not all | blood gore. We've made it through other rough spots, and | we'll make it through this one as well. It's as important to | our livelihood as it is to your livelihoods. | | Vernon Viehe | ColdFusion
re: not another mx boo boo
From best I can tell it is in fact part of his job. It is good to see that MM has employees out in these circles to best represent company with such attitudes and at times insulting behavior. Anyone know who we could contact at MM via smail to compliment such things? Oh, wait, nevermind I am just part of that childish group(Sean The MM hat wearer words). Sean, You're not impressing me with your defensive attitude. Is all this arguing really part of your job? -- Snipe - CF_BotMaster Network=EFNet Channel=ColdFusion -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
It would seem to me that the underlying J2EE application server implements everything that goes along with JDBC drivers like connection pooling, etc. Possibly, the people who are having JDBC problems with CFMX should try CFMX J2EE on top of IBM WebSphere and see if the problems go away. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM actually developed db drivers? Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about which people are complaining were not written by us... which means that we are reliant on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other drivers available. Ahh gotcha ... See, I'd been under the impression that was the case all-along, which I guess explains why I never expected any potential problems with db drivers to be quick fixes... because it requires MM tech support getting enough data to give to the 3rd party and then either producing a work-around or haggling with the driver vendors or both, which I imagine could be a protracted sort of arrangement. Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
Jesse, ok - now you got my dander up a little ;) This is another gripe of mine. The issue is that we tested backwards compatibility extensively, almost exhaustively. What *specific* issues did you run into? Were you running Fusebox? Was your application using improper coding methodologies, what were the *specific* problems? What improper coding methodologies? Are you saying there's a secret standards book out there that MM has written and that everyone must follow to be sure that things are backward compatible? Did no one check to see if Fusebox would work on CFMX? CF supports a variety of coding methodologies from very good to very bad - and to argue that CFMX was only designed for the proper coding methodologies implies that someone, somewhere has codified what that means. Some might argue that's one of the big issues with CFML. I've been involved in the community for years and I'd have to say that there is no agreed upon standards. There are some generally accepted best practices - but that is not the same thing. Let me add that I'm a CFMX believer. All the CF projects we are doing going forward are on CFMX. We are also excited about and actively using flash remoting with cfmx. So I'm not down on cfmx - nor do I think that true backward-compatibility could be acheived for more than about 80% of applications out there. My point is, CF 5 aps that ran perfectly well may not run so well on CFMX - and the fault is with the technology path (moving to a Java based platform). It's unfair to say ...well, they weren't written correctly to begin with. Again - I mean to be friendly here, not snipish - hence the smily face :) -mk ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
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CFX problem on Solaris
Hi, Straight to the problem. I'm developing in CF and we have a C++ developer here who is writing the CFX's for me. We are successfully using some CFX's on windows and Linux. (CFMX) Our production machine will be with Solaris. So on the Solaris box we are always getting the unable to load library. Now I know that the cfx is calling other libraries. The C++ guy is blaming CFMX for it... But I can't believe that. (of course) Is there a way to track where the cfx hangs? Cheers Steini ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
I'd have to second that, Vernon. I would have first'd it, but he beat me to it! grin | -Original Message- | From: Tony Carcieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:22 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! | | | Vernon, | | You're one hell of a class act! Someone who cares enough to | actually speak to someone and not go to automated phone | support. I applaud you! It's nice to see that some people | care about us lil guys! | | Thanks, | T | | -Original Message- | From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:46 PM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! | | | Lee, | | I appreciate your need TODAY, and I sympathize with your | plight. However, there are a couple of things to keep in | mind...This problem didn't just crop up today, and from the | sound of it, it doesn't sound like it can be solved today. | | I strongly urge you to contact support, possibly become a | Gold Support customer. That program was designed for this | kind of urgent service. | | If I've read this thread correctly, you've said you don't | want to call support because you're afraid you'll be charged | unfairly for something that is a CFMX bug, yet I've not seen | anyone on this list say that they have been charged in such a | situation, but they have reiterated just the opposite. | | I'll repeat my earlier reassurance, if anyone, including you, | are charged for a support incident, and you don't think the | charge is fair, I will thoroughly look into it. | | Trust me, I'm not unsympathetic, but unfortunately, this list | is not an official, one-to-one support venue. It's not where | one turns for direct, urgent one-to-one contact. I strongly | urge you to work with our support department instead of | relying upon community lists/forums for urgent situations | where you need direct assistance from Macromedia. | | The kind of simple information you seek simply isn't simple | - but we are always in an ongoing effort to get this | information to our customers, and will continue to do so. | | If you'd like to speak with me personally, e-mail me your | contact info off-list, and I'll give you a call. | | Vernon Viehe | ColdFusion Community Manager | Developer Relations | Macromedia, Inc. | Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ | | Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida | Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at | www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 | | -Original Message- | From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:01 PM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! | | | Vernon, | | I completely understand. However, looking at it from my | vantage point | (and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone here on this mountain top | - or at the | bottom of this pit.. depending upon your viewpoint), I have | a problem | TODAY. One that is causing me serious trouble TODAY. I know that | things like this take time, and I truly believe that this | is not an MM | thing. That's not my view of it at all. My view is simple (and I | won't repeat it and bore everyone to death). | | Reality is that I need a solution TODAY. Sometime to keep | my people | from throwing the baby out with the bath water. | | Maybe it would help for MM to post a simple, clean and concise, | page-by-page setting list of how you (MM) suggest we setup | our servers | (using gulp IIS5, of course) to make sure that CFMX works | properly. | | Specifically -- | | - Page-by-page settings with the Administrator | - Specific IIS changes/additions/amendments | - Specific changes to CFMX setup files (similar to the XML file | changes for multi-homing) | - Some traps and tricks (simply put) | | I know that you have the best practices and performance tuning | white papers. However, a checklist would be far more | helpful -- so | that people like me that are experiencing a problem can turn to this | checklist (knowing that it's not a cure-all) to make | certain we have | things set to MM's recommendations. | | Thoughts? | | | -Original Message- | | From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:44 AM | | To: CF-Talk | | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! | | | | | | Lee, Cameron, I'm mulling over thoughtful responses to your | | thoughtful posts... | | | | But I couldn't resist a quick reply here: | | | | Macromedia's merger with Allaire was very expensive, and | as is the | | case with any merger, it's not been totally without merger pains, | | which has been felt internally by most every employee. | | | | Please don't mistake the challenges presented from a | merger and also | | the
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Joe, as Vern pointing out, the CF and Flash Remoting team are two separate teams. So resources to Flash Remoting do not necessarily mean less resources for CFMX. However, I completely understand where you are coming from. You want to ensure that CFMX is the best product available (as do we). That is why vern suggested the wish list, as it helps us prioritize issues. As you have probably noticed, we are also very engaged in the forum, and vern will be consolidating all of this input and present it to the appropriate people and teams. hope that helps... mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Importance: High Sorry Stacy I am least bothered with Flash and whatever gimmicks it has to offer.. we all know by now.. alot of the community has problems with running CFMX in production...This is a very critical problem and has to be resolved ASAP... Dont you think so...? We were close to going to CFMX.. with all these different issues.. i dont think that will happen till next year... and u guys asking MM to do new Stuff? Joe -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! OK Joe please let's not start another one of these threads...and I think you'd find many CF'ers interested in CFMX/Flash development. Nite Stace -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Vernon, Doesnt it sound logical to clean up bugs in CFMX before thinking of new features? Priorities...? CFMX Or Flash... dont think many ppl here are interested in Flash... Joe -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
SQL Insertion attacks
I remember a couple threads about this topic, however, I never have any luck with the archives. What approaches have you taken to stop SQL insertion attacks. Our current thinking is to check for a set of certain characters (*,',, etc) and make the user removes those characters before submitting a template. One of my questions regarding this approach is: Can you loop through each input form field (in javascript? in coldfusion?) in some sort of array that contains form variables and ensure all potentially malicious characters are removed before form submission? What I am trying to avoid is checking each form field separately and I would like the code to be portable to many applications, hopefully in a cfinclude on each page that contains input fields. Your input/help is greatly appreciated. Thanks! Casey Cook ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
Whilst I agree with your general point that there's possibly a misintepretation of doom and gloom for CFMX within the recent threads, I'd like to also point out that from what I can see, the developers highlighting the problems are actually seeking help from Macromedia in order to continue using CFMX - NOT in order to give up on it altogether. Threads like the one yesterday, if you go back and read them, degenerated into a series of throw it out the door and I won't be buying it etc, etc, etc. People need to realize that yes while software might have issues, and they do want help publicly, there are other people who are reading these mediums who are directly making decisions based off of the words of the people within this community. If I was a new CFMX customer, and I read the threads from the past few days(weeks) I would send my boxed copy back to macromedia saying that was fun, no? New users, and on the fence users are strongly influenced by the posts here and on the forums by you, the cf luminaries. I have in fact advised a few people either within the Long time CF supporter thread and also outside of it during the last couple of days, to go ahead and try CFMX for themselves, despite having some very obvious problems myself - which, I am still working on solving at the moment after 3 days - I believe I'm starting to see where the major problems lie now. Except your post of try it for yourself was drowned out by plenty of other people chanting the MM sux and CFMX is poop line. The fact is that the posts made here and elsewhere directly effect those people wanting to jump into CF Basically, there's a problem with the JDBC driver (thats pretty obvious). Whilst there is also a problem with installing CFMX on a Server which had a previous version of CF on it before, despite removing old registry keys and directories. I believe Vernon has already picked up on these issues and is going to try and raise them internally with MM. Yes, however, do not assume this will happen 100% of the time, Vernon, Sean, Mike and I are doing what we can, when we have time, but this is not the best, or recommended way of getting things escalated! I don't have a problem with MM. They're doing grand as far as I can see, considering their size. Maybe I'm just used to large corporate bureaucracy at this stage, with much much larger and slower entities (oil and automotive companies). Maybe too, I have come to take the cf-talk list for granted as an effective channel for solving issues with CF - over the years. I've seen issues raised on the list being actively tackled head on by both MM and Allaire in the past. Yes developers are looking for what is effectively free support - but it's support at a cost to the developer in terms of time etc - e.g. I've lost almost 3 days in my current situation, but at least I'm proactively ruling out things and feeding back my findings to the people who may need that info i.e. MM or the CF Community. However, there is a distinct difference between rational discourse, and a mob mentality when it comes to commenting on issues. My point is simple, take the posts here and elsewhere with a grain of salt, realize that many of these people are not the rule, rather the exception. Most of all, watch what you post, you, as community members, effect the perception of CF as a *whole*. The community runs under the mob system, while 25 people may run fine and say so, 100 people are screaming about $RAND issues. The 25 are ignored, and the 100 are taken as gospel. See what I mean? Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction into the sum of his knowledge. - Ayn Rand ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: SQL Insertion attacks
cfqueryparam is the answer. I have seen the Light! -Original Message- From: Casey C Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SQL Insertion attacks I remember a couple threads about this topic, however, I never have any luck with the archives. What approaches have you taken to stop SQL insertion attacks. Our current thinking is to check for a set of certain characters (*,',, etc) and make the user removes those characters before submitting a template. One of my questions regarding this approach is: Can you loop through each input form field (in javascript? in coldfusion?) in some sort of array that contains form variables and ensure all potentially malicious characters are removed before form submission? What I am trying to avoid is checking each form field separately and I would like the code to be portable to many applications, hopefully in a cfinclude on each page that contains input fields. Your input/help is greatly appreciated. Thanks! Casey Cook ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
You need to execute this on every page load. If you're using cascading Application.cfm files (i.e., /subdir/Application.cfm contains the code cfinclude template=..\Application.cfm) you'll want to put it at the top level. (If you're not doing this, why do you have so many Application.cfm files?) It's got nothing to do with logout. It changes the CFID and CFTOKEN cookies from expiring way out in the future (2037, I think) to being a session cookie that will go away when the browser is closed. -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = I have multiple application.cfm's Would this code go in all or just the logout.cfm template? On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:17:45 -0600, Jillian Carroll wrote: Courtesy of Hal Helms, put this in your Application.cfm: CFIF IsDefined( Cookie.CFID ) AND IsDefined( Cookie.CFTOKEN ) cfset localCFID = Cookie.CFID cfset localCFTOKEN = Cookie.CFTOKEN cfcookie name=CFID value=#localCFID# cfcookie name=CFTOKEN value=#localCFTOKEN# /CFIF -- Jillian -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = What if someone just closes IE? On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:01:38 -0400, Everett, Al wrote: cfset temp=StructClear(Session) -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = Whats the best way to clear ALL session variables when a user logouts or closes IE? On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:25:19 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: Nevermind...I got it to work. Thanks On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:22:42 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:02:24 -0400, Jon Hall wrote: Is your session variable getting updated? If not, there is your problem, if so, then the problem lies in some part of the program that is not using the session variables value, or not using it correctly. If the app works using just cookies, then switching to session variables shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. Yes...I didn't change the line that was calling in the cookie. Now I get an error in my application saying that that it can't resolve the parameter SESSION.VariableName Do I have to set it, maybe in my application.cfm to be Nil at first? I'm not sure how secure your app needs to be, but storing paths like that on the client in a cookie sounds very insecure. If I altered the cookie with the list of paths to include c:\, could I get a listing of that directory? Sounds like to me this variable should definitely be a session or client scoped variable. This is strickly a intranet app. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 7:40:05 AM, you wrote: F HI, F I'm getting a little confused with cfcookies and cfset SESSION.varaible =. My application was using cfcookies and it seemed to work fine. I was reading in a field from my F database which was a comma delimited field of directories on my hard drive. This was then put into a cookie. I have a template that allows the user to add or remove F directories for viewing in their navigation window (tree list). Any changes made from the template would be saved to the database and the cookie would be updated. F The problem I'm experiencing now is I changed all my cfcookie calls to use cfset SESSSION.variable = and when I add/remove a directory and click my refresh button it F won't update my navigation (tree list) frame until I actually close my IE and start it back up again. Then the appropriate directorie(s) don't appear which where added/remove F from my template. F How can I make this update appear by refreshing? Do I *have* to use cookies in my case? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
Of course. You can put just about anything in a CFLOCK, but you're better off limiting it to CFSETs. You also want to limit your locks rather than peppering your code with them. If you're doing a lot of variable manipulation, or even using the variables a lot, copy them to the local scope first, then use the local variables for the remainder of your code. -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = OK...thanks. I noticed from the examples that they use cflock around only one cfset. Can you group cfset's? cflock... cfset SESSION.var1 = something1 cfset SESSION.var2 = something2 cfset SESSION.var3 = something3 /cflock On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:19:59 -0400, Everett, Al wrote: I've heard about this but I've never done this before. What do you mean by locks? In CF5 or lower, to prevent server instability, you need to lock all shared-scope variables, i.e., SERVER, APPLICATION, and SESSION. In all versions of CF, if there is a possible race condition, you need to lock your shared-scope variables. Some TechNotes you should read: ColdFusion MX Best Practices for Locking Shared Scope Variables: http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=23021Method=Full ColdFusion 5 Locking Best Practices: http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=20370Method=Full ColdFusion TechTips: http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=13810Method=Full ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
In the hope of finding a portion of the problem here, we've been monitoring the server via Perf Monitor, and I've just added a counter for CFMX's Running Requests. I've noticed that at this moment, it shows a steady number of running requests, which seems quite odd. I would think they would die over time, and even if there were a consistent number of continued requests for the processes, the number would fluctuate -- at least a little. Does anyone know of any way to see which requests these are, or what is running and not dying? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: CFX problem on Solaris
What's the actual error? Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction into the sum of his knowledge. - Ayn Rand -Original Message- From: Steini Jonsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFX problem on Solaris Hi, Straight to the problem. I'm developing in CF and we have a C++ developer here who is writing the CFX's for me. We are successfully using some CFX's on windows and Linux. (CFMX) Our production machine will be with Solaris. So on the Solaris box we are always getting the unable to load library. Now I know that the cfx is calling other libraries. The C++ guy is blaming CFMX for it... But I can't believe that. (of course) Is there a way to track where the cfx hangs? Cheers Steini ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Can we help? (was RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
Hey Cam... You're right. And I thought that I had begun to do that -- create a constructive suggestion with each complaint. My suggestion was simply that there be a suggested value setting for each of the basic server settings pages, so that we would have some sort of clue as to what the recommended mininum (or maximum) values would be under typical circumstances... heavy load, medium load, light load, etc... You get the point. As it sits now, one has to guess as to what the settings may be. And I contest that this may be part of the problem(s) we are facing, since the server is not properly configured. Or, at the very least, this is contributing to the problem(s). I still would like to see some of you all post your server settings pages here -- or send them to me off list. Of course, stripping out what you find unnecessary or a security risk. Pretty easy to copy the page as text, and paste it to an email.. deleting what you don't want shared. | -Original Message- | From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:34 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Can we help? (was RE: LONG time CF Supporter - | About ready to dump CF!) | | | Well MM should have already done this... and documented | rules of new | coding in RED rather than have developers waste time | fighting issues. | Hopefully we will see some better standards from MM. | | Joe, | | They did. There's an entire book in the CFMX documentation | set devoted to upgrading, and pointing out the differences | between CF5 and CFMX functions, tags, and syntax. Granted, | it might not include things that came up after release, but | I'm not sure we can fault them for not being able to see into | the future. | | They also included a code compatibility analyzer with CFMX so | that you can pre-run your code to see if there are any huge | red flags. Again, it may not catch 100% of issues because | some have come out since launch, but I do think they tried | hard to give us the tools, they are just misunderstood or not | used at all. | | I can't help but point out that this is more evidence of a | communication problem at MM. While it's not the job of MM to | slap a big RTFM on the front of every install, but it would | be nice to see a PR campaign launched showing how easy it | is to upgrade and how stable the platform is. An upgrade | center at MM.com wouldn't be totally uncalled for either. | Grouping KB articles, the upgrade guide, etc all in one place | for people to refer to when they are upgrading. Maybe this | exists and I haven't been thorough in my search, but all I | came up with at MM.com was marketing drivel (required to sell | product, but not helpful to the audience on this list). | | What if everyone on this list suggested a *constructive* | solution with every complaint in this thread? Think that | could happen? | | -Cameron | | - | Cameron Childress | Sumo Consulting Inc. | --- | cell: 678-637-5072 | aim: cameroncf | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | -Original Message- | From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:47 PM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Can we help? (was RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About | ready to dump CF!) | | | I personally think.. alot of the problems are due to making | CFMX very | backward compatible with older versions of CF. Why did MM | claim CFMX | backward compatible? Why not .NET Strategy? | | Again i think its the responsibility of developers to test | their code | on a totally different product(CFMX)..Load Test..etc. before going | into production. | | Well MM should have already done this... and documented | rules of new | coding in RED rather than have developers waste time | fighting issues. | Hopefully we will see some better standards from MM. | | Joe | | | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: SQL Insertion attacks
Casey, the best way to avoid this problem is to use cfqueryparam within your SQL. If you want to modify the form, url etc to make sure no mal code is including you can loop throught the structure like so. I use this to trim submissions but you can modify to remove specials characters. cfloop collection=#form# item=i cfset form[i]=trim(form[i]) /cfloop Bryan F. Hogan Director of Internet Development Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer Digital Bay Media, Inc. 1-877-72DIGITAL -Original Message- From: Casey C Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SQL Insertion attacks I remember a couple threads about this topic, however, I never have any luck with the archives. What approaches have you taken to stop SQL insertion attacks. Our current thinking is to check for a set of certain characters (*,',, etc) and make the user removes those characters before submitting a template. One of my questions regarding this approach is: Can you loop through each input form field (in javascript? in coldfusion?) in some sort of array that contains form variables and ensure all potentially malicious characters are removed before form submission? What I am trying to avoid is checking each form field separately and I would like the code to be portable to many applications, hopefully in a cfinclude on each page that contains input fields. Your input/help is greatly appreciated. Thanks! Casey Cook ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
.htm file running as cfm
Using IIS I thought it was possible to run .htm files as if they were .cfm files. Has this changed in MX? thanks ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
JDBC and installation issues - my findings
Thought I'd share the following items which have been submitted to MM via a direct contact a few minutes ago. I have tried several different scenarios with the following results: JDBC driver --- I've only managed to get this to work with MS SQL 7 when and ONLY when its a fresh OS, CFMX, SQL install, all on the same machine. Not yet been tested for stability. I've even had problems with using the ODBC Socket at times - especially when the db is on a remote machine. I realise these are not under MM's direct control and are more likely than not to be attributed to SQL 7. Installation issues --- I initially installed on our development machine which was previously running cf4.5 ENT which I removed entirely, including registry and files, as I'd experienced problems before with installing cf5 pro onto a similar cf4.5 ent machine. In fact there has always been a problem when installing a new release pro version over a machine having had Enterprise installed - this is understandable. Although my initial installation of CFMX was fine after having to manually configure CF to run on all IIS virtual hosts, I ran into a COM related problem which led me to installing the updater, which in turn led my server to spiral out of control (JDBC, 404's in the Administrator!!, 500's and more). I believe the iis configuration was only necessary because of having had cf4.5ent installed on the server. I was able to dig up a spare machine on which I could do a complete fresh install of OS, SQL 7 and CFMX, including the updater and things seem to be looking up. Not had any problems whatsoever. There was no need for me to configure IIS for virtual hosts in this situation. There was one major problem which would disable our company to use CFMX in production. That is the JDBC driver being unable to connect to SQL 7 on a remote machine (same LAN). We haven't yet gone into production, which leaves me in a slightly more luxurious position than some of the others experiencing the same problems and I doubt we'll be using SQL 7 in production anyway. More likely to be SQL 2000, which I'll begin tests on now to check if the JDBC situation is any better. Hope some of this info helps MM pinpoint the problem. In the meantime, perhaps some mention of avoiding installing CFMX on machines with previous versions may be a prudent move, or at least an indication that problems *may* occur in this scenario, as each environment will be slightly different and lots of people may get away without any problems in this very same scenario. Dave ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
I'd be really hesitant to assume that anyone who can afford to implement CFMX can afford to implement WebSphere... I haven't looked at it recently, but I remember someone mentioning a figure to me that was well over 10x the cost of CFMX Enterprise. I may be confused and that may include the cost of the hardware, et al, though I'd be surprised if the software alone were terribly inexpensive even after stripping all the extra stuff... S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 It would seem to me that the underlying J2EE application server implements everything that goes along with JDBC drivers like connection pooling, etc. Possibly, the people who are having JDBC problems with CFMX should try CFMX J2EE on top of IBM WebSphere and see if the problems go away. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... Has Allaire / MM actually developed db drivers? Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about which people are complaining were not written by us... which means that we are reliant on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other drivers available. Ahh gotcha ... See, I'd been under the impression that was the case all-along, which I guess explains why I never expected any potential problems with db drivers to be quick fixes... because it requires MM tech support getting enough data to give to the 3rd party and then either producing a work-around or haggling with the driver vendors or both, which I imagine could be a protracted sort of arrangement. Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
Threads like the one yesterday, if you go back and read them, degenerated into a series of throw it out the door and I won't be buying it etc, etc, etc. It seems like most of the people participating in the thread had already bought CFMX and were just having problems with it. People need to realize that yes while software might have issues, and they do want help publicly, there are other people who are reading these mediums who are directly making decisions based off of the words of the people within this community. If I was a new CFMX customer, and I read the threads from the past few days(weeks) I would send my boxed copy back to macromedia saying that was fun, no? New users, and on the fence users are strongly influenced by the posts here and on the forums by you, the cf luminaries. I don't think it is really fair to put Macromedia's PR problems from yesterday on the participants in the thread. It seems to me that many of the people on the thread didn't just throw up their hands as soon as they ran into problems. It seemed more like the people were giving up after spending significant time on their problems with CFMX without resolution. IMHO, Macromedia should have caught on earlier and maybe the situation wouldn't have happened. Yes, however, do not assume this will happen 100% of the time, Vernon, Sean, Mike and I are doing what we can, when we have time, but this is not the best, or recommended way of getting things escalated! And the community has spoken time and time again that the recommended way is no good. Who is really to blame here? -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Lee - I'm seeing this too (oddly). Any clues? On CF 5 server this number bumps up and down - often at 0 - even on a busy server. -Original Message- From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! In the hope of finding a portion of the problem here, we've been monitoring the server via Perf Monitor, and I've just added a counter for CFMX's Running Requests. I've noticed that at this moment, it shows a steady number of running requests, which seems quite odd. I would think they would die over time, and even if there were a consistent number of continued requests for the processes, the number would fluctuate -- at least a little. Does anyone know of any way to see which requests these are, or what is running and not dying? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
cfchart and stacked bars?
Hi all - I was sure that I'd seen a demo (maybe at CFUN02 or one of the traveling MM roadshows) of using CFCHART to do stacked bar graphs. But I've spent more time than I want to admit trying to make it happen in real life. Am I hallucinating about the demo, or am I dense and not doing it right (what a choice)? Thanks for the help -reed
RE: SQL Insertion attacks
If you don't want to take my word for it, though, here's an article by Uncle Ben: http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/articles/ben_forta_faster.html cfqueryparam is the answer. I have seen the Light! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable =
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:46:15 -0400, Everett, Al wrote: You need to execute this on every page load. If you're using cascading Application.cfm files (i.e., /subdir/Application.cfm contains the code cfinclude template=..\Application.cfm) you'll want to put it at the top level. (If you're not doing this, why do you have so many Application.cfm files?) I read somewhere that every directory should have its own application.cfm and onrequestedend.cfm files. It's got nothing to do with logout. It changes the CFID and CFTOKEN cookies from expiring way out in the future (2037, I think) to being a session cookie that will go away when the browser is closed. -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = I have multiple application.cfm's Would this code go in all or just the logout.cfm template? On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:17:45 -0600, Jillian Carroll wrote: Courtesy of Hal Helms, put this in your Application.cfm: CFIF IsDefined( Cookie.CFID ) AND IsDefined( Cookie.CFTOKEN ) cfset localCFID = Cookie.CFID cfset localCFTOKEN = Cookie.CFTOKEN cfcookie name=CFID value=#localCFID# cfcookie name=CFTOKEN value=#localCFTOKEN# /CFIF -- Jillian -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = What if someone just closes IE? On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:01:38 -0400, Everett, Al wrote: cfset temp=StructClear(Session) -Original Message- From: FlashGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cfcookie and cfset SESSION.variable = Whats the best way to clear ALL session variables when a user logouts or closes IE? On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:25:19 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: Nevermind...I got it to work. Thanks On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:22:42 -0400, FlashGuy wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:02:24 -0400, Jon Hall wrote: Is your session variable getting updated? If not, there is your problem, if so, then the problem lies in some part of the program that is not using the session variables value, or not using it correctly. If the app works using just cookies, then switching to session variables shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. Yes...I didn't change the line that was calling in the cookie. Now I get an error in my application saying that that it can't resolve the parameter SESSION.VariableName Do I have to set it, maybe in my application.cfm to be Nil at first? I'm not sure how secure your app needs to be, but storing paths like that on the client in a cookie sounds very insecure. If I altered the cookie with the list of paths to include c:\, could I get a listing of that directory? Sounds like to me this variable should definitely be a session or client scoped variable. This is strickly a intranet app. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 7:40:05 AM, you wrote: F HI, F I'm getting a little confused with cfcookies and cfset SESSION.varaible =. My application was using cfcookies and it seemed to work fine. I was reading in a field from my F database which was a comma delimited field of directories on my hard drive. This was then put into a cookie. I have a template that allows the user to add or remove F directories for viewing in their navigation window (tree list). Any changes made from the template would be saved to the database and the cookie would be updated. F The problem I'm experiencing now is I changed all my cfcookie calls to use cfset SESSSION.variable = and when I add/remove a directory and click my refresh button it F won't update my navigation (tree list) frame until I actually close my IE and start it back up again. Then the appropriate directorie(s) don't appear which where added/remove F from my template. F How can I make this update appear by refreshing? Do I *have* to use cookies in my case? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority
RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
What improper coding methodologies? Are you saying there's a secret standards book out there that MM has written and that everyone must follow to be sure that things are backward compatible? Did no one check to see if Fusebox would work on CFMX? CF supports a variety of coding methodologies from very good to very bad - and to argue that CFMX was only designed for the proper coding methodologies implies that someone, somewhere has codified what that means. Some might argue that's one of the big issues with CFML. I've been involved in the community for years and I'd have to say that there is no agreed upon standards. There are some generally accepted best practices - but that is not the same thing. I am not arguing that only proper coding methodologies are supported, I am saying the CFML caters to yes, a wide variety of coders, and methodologies, however, we cannot be expected to support applications that were coded loosely. No, there are no agreed upon standards, however, you cannot simply code as you will, and then expect everything, no matter how badly/loosely coded to be supported all the time, out of the box. Case in point, Spectra. Spectra was NOT coded badly, however, it has a lot of highly custom code within it, not all of the methods utilized in the application were supported moving forward. This is a fact of upgrading/migrating to a new revision of any coding language or software package. So, say you use something like, (lets pick on something easy) fusebox. Fusebox is a methodology for programming your CF application. Now, say you have a huge application written in it, a lot of customization... Is it reasonable to expect every single function, line of code, etc to be fully functional when an entire REWRITE of the language is done? No. It's not. You will run into problems, this is part of the problem with allowing any type of coding to be utilized. Look at Apache, and inside of that, Apache modules. When apache 2 came out, one could run old modules inside of the new system, however, they never made the claim of 100% backwards compatibility; they said it was compatible. The statements, while seemingly the same, are completely and totally different. That being said, if you run into something that worked in CF5, and does NOT work in CFMX, and it's NOT documented, it's a *BUG* and Macromedia should be contacted directly about it. Let me add that I'm a CFMX believer. All the CF projects we are doing going forward are on CFMX. We are also excited about and actively using flash remoting with cfmx. So I'm not down on cfmx - nor do I think that true backward-compatibility could be acheived for more than about 80% of applications out there. My point is, CF 5 aps that ran perfectly well may not run so well on CFMX - and the fault is with the technology path (moving to a Java based platform). It's unfair to say ...well, they weren't written correctly to begin with. Again - I mean to be friendly here, not snipish - hence the smily face :) So you're blaming the move to Java for your application(s) not working? What if he had simply rewritten the code base in C++? What would you blame then? -jesse ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Upgraded to CFMX on linux, unable to delete DSN
We upgraded a client to CFMX from CF5 (on Linux) and the upgrade asked if we would like to migrate our settings, DSN's etc...so of course we said yes.. Now we find that we cannot delete one dsn that is a mySql dsn The error received is: An exception occurred when invoking an external process. The cause of this exception was that: java.io.IOException: \soft/coldfusionmx/db\slserver52\admin\swcla.exe: not found. Anybody have any ideas what the issue is? Do I need to stop mySQL or something? If I try to verify the dsn it gives me this error: Variable THISDATASOURCE is undefined This is my first client on linux for cf and I have no idea where to go in the server to delete any reference to this dsn Any help appreciated. ~~ Stephenie Hamilton --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 10/3/2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
Re: CFX problem on Solaris
Here is the error: Unable to load library /nca/lib/CFX_NCAquery.so - Original Message - From: Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:31 PM Subject: RE: CFX problem on Solaris What's the actual error? Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction into the sum of his knowledge. - Ayn Rand -Original Message- From: Steini Jonsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFX problem on Solaris Hi, Straight to the problem. I'm developing in CF and we have a C++ developer here who is writing the CFX's for me. We are successfully using some CFX's on windows and Linux. (CFMX) Our production machine will be with Solaris. So on the Solaris box we are always getting the unable to load library. Now I know that the cfx is calling other libraries. The C++ guy is blaming CFMX for it... But I can't believe that. (of course) Is there a way to track where the cfx hangs? Cheers Steini ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
cfencode utility for CFMX seems missing
Hi,
I've a CFMX eval copy running,
the cfencode utility, located in the {cf_root/bin
directory = CFMX installation directory} is nowhere to
be found. I hesitate to use CF5.0's equivalent
utility. What's up? Thanks.
Don
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RE: CFX problem on Solaris
Well if your C++ guy is any good he should be able to put try/catch's round his code to stop the CFX knacking the server and exit gracefully on error, and also write out a trace file or something to debug. This is the approach i've taken in the past when developing CFX tags in Delphi (but not for Solaris i might add, I've never even seen Solaris). SteG. :) -Original Message- From: Steini Jonsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 October 2002 15:53 To: CF-Talk Subject: CFX problem on Solaris Hi, Straight to the problem. I'm developing in CF and we have a C++ developer here who is writing the CFX's for me. We are successfully using some CFX's on windows and Linux. (CFMX) Our production machine will be with Solaris. So on the Solaris box we are always getting the unable to load library. Now I know that the cfx is calling other libraries. The C++ guy is blaming CFMX for it... But I can't believe that. (of course) Is there a way to track where the cfx hangs? Cheers Steini ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
It seems like most of the people participating in the thread had already bought CFMX and were just having problems with it. Re-read it, more people jumped in, and it's not just yesterday's thread. I don't think it is really fair to put Macromedia's PR problems from yesterday on the participants in the thread. It seems to me that many of the people on the thread didn't just throw up their hands as soon as they ran into problems. It seemed more like the people were giving up after spending significant time on their problems with CFMX without resolution. IMHO, Macromedia should have caught on earlier and maybe the situation wouldn't have happened. How can we catch on when they do not contact us via the proper manner? And the community has spoken time and time again that the recommended way is no good. Who is really to blame here? The way we have it now may not be the proper way in your eyes, but as that is the *currently supported method* it doesn't leave any room for argument, now does it? Saying that x sucks is fine, but it does not change x. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: cfchart and stacked bars?
Can you show your code? === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda -Original Message- From: Reed Powell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: cfchart and stacked bars? Hi all - I was sure that I'd seen a demo (maybe at CFUN02 or one of the traveling MM roadshows) of using CFCHART to do stacked bar graphs. But I've spent more time than I want to admit trying to make it happen in real life. Am I hallucinating about the demo, or am I dense and not doing it right (what a choice)? Thanks for the help -reed ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
SOT Converting MS-Access databases on non-windows machines
There is a situation that I encounter I wonder how others handle it It is fairly common (almost a given), that a new client will have some or all of his data available in offline MS-Access databases. It is usually necessary to manipulate this data (validate, normalize, etc) to convert it into a usable online database (storing it in a more robust RDBMS). I have found that CF is an excellent tool for this. I normally just upload the MS-Access mdb file to the hosting service. Then I write CF programs that convert the data from MS-Access to, say SQL-Server, or Oracle. No problem, as long as the host service is running on a windows platform -- MS-Access is usually supported. But what happens if the Host uses a non-windows platform? How do you read a MS-Access database on, say a Linux Box. I guess you could capture the Access database into SQL-Server, offline, if you had: 1) a windows machine 2) MSDE or SQL-Server 3) MS-Office This extra step gives you a mirror of the client's MS-Access db on SQL-Server -- you still need to manipulate it for validation, normalization, conversion to online, etc. What do you do if you need to go to some other (not SQL-Server) RDBMS, that doesn't have the ability to capture Access databases? The problem gets compounded if the client requests periodic creation of an offline copy of the online database -- for offline analysis, etc. Is this an issue that any of you run into with any frequency? How do you handle it? (Of course the easy out is just host on windows platforms that support Ms-Access -- but that is totall the wrong reason to make a hosting decision). TIA Dick ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: cfchart and stacked bars?
Yes this is easily achieved. You simply specify stacked in the seriesplacement attribute of cfchart -Original Message- From: Reed Powell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 October 2002 17:02 To: CF-Talk Subject: cfchart and stacked bars? Hi all - I was sure that I'd seen a demo (maybe at CFUN02 or one of the traveling MM roadshows) of using CFCHART to do stacked bar graphs. But I've spent more time than I want to admit trying to make it happen in real life. Am I hallucinating about the demo, or am I dense and not doing it right (what a choice)? Thanks for the help -reed ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
Re: cfflush on mx small data pools
Thanks Raymond. Glad to know it wasn't CFMX's fault. I think I will stop supporting Microsoft now. :) Sam - Original Message - From: Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: RE: cfflush on mx small data pools Internet Explorer has a 'feature' where even if you flush, it will not display the text until it gets 'enough' text. What is enough text? Around 250 chars I think. If I'm flushing and now I won't have more than that, I add this BEFORE the flush: #repeatString( ,x)# where x is between 150 - 200 or so. This normally 'forces' IE to display the text before the repeatString. === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda -Original Message- From: Sam Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: cfflush on mx small data pools I am trying to flush a very small amount of data on mx but don't seem to be able to get the following to flush: cfoutput html head titleProcessing./title /head body processingbr /cfoutput cfflush interval=1 I would like it to flush immeadiately--its a payment page and I want to let users know something is happening. The text does not appear until the page loads (15-30 seconds later). Any ideas? Thanks, Sam ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
OT: arguing (was: Not Another MX boo boo?
On Wednesday, Oct 9, 2002, at 04:34 US/Pacific, Greg Luce wrote: You're not impressing me with your defensive attitude. I spent about 12 hours responding to people who were screaming that MM sux - I don't think it's very surprising that by 8pm at night I'm just a little less politic than some people might like... And, hey, I *did* put a smiley on my comment! Is all this arguing really part of your job? Actually, yes. I'm well known for it! As it says in the bio at the bottom of my DesDev articles: He relishes a technical challenge both inside and outside of work and healthy technical debates. :) I came here for an argument. No you didn't Yes I did! -- Monty Python OK, now I'll respond more seriously (and I haven't even had a coffee yet!): Rob posted a code fragment under the banner of Another MX boo boo. It's good that he posted the code but he didn't say what was wrong or what result he got. I tested the code fragment and posted the result - which seemed to be exactly what I would have expected the code to produce. I asked Rob for more details. That seems pretty fair to me. As for the comment about the Subject line - something like Possible dateFormat error in MX? would have been more descriptive (and more tactful). -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Not Another MX boo boo? On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 14:07 US/Pacific, Rob Rohan wrote: dateFormat(now(), dd/mm/yy (ddd)) No longer works in MX. looks like only certain characters work in date format. I get: date is 08/10/02 (Tue) using this code: cfoutput cfset str = dateFormat(now(), dd/mm/yy (ddd))/ date is #str# /cfoutput Can you be a bit more precise about what No longer works about this please? (And perhaps use a less confrontational subject line? :) An Architect's View -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at http://www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Not Another MX boo boo?
Error Occurred While Processing Request
{ts '2002-10-09 09:12:48'} is an invalid date format.
The Error Occurred in D:\http\test\datetest.cfm: line 8
6 : /FORM ---
7 :
8 : CFSET str = dateformat(now(),mm/dd/yy (ddd))
9 : CFOUTPUT#str#/CFOUTPUTBR
10 : CFOUTPUT#dateformat(now(),mm/dd/yy (ddd))#/CFOUTPUT
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